posted August 28, 2014 07:34 AM            

BUT

I got inspired to look into this for two reasons, one being astrological, one being personal, which someone how just coincided this moment, this place and urged me to look into it.

The first reason, astrological, is because of things I read on two astrologer`s blogs. Dawn Bodrogi (whom I hold in high regard, as she comes very close to speaking "my astrological language") and Pam Crane (whose work on the Draconic zodiac I read and found very worthwile to read).

the quotes I am speaking of are:

"THE GEOSOLAR (GSL) is calculated thus:
PLANET/ANGLE - SUN = GSL PLANET/ANGLE.
This is not the same thing as a sunrise chart; the overall feeling from this pattern is that of the unconditioned person, the spontaneous child, the self at its most free ... and selfish" http://pam-cranes-small-world-of-astrology.blogspot.de/2004_04_01_archive.html

In his book on synastry Davison also mentions the solar zodiac and the Venusian one, along with the Draconic.

And to me it makes sense. If we can bring the nodes to the Aries point, to get our personal nodal chart, we can do that with other planets as well.
Bringing the Sun to the Aries point and casting the chart of it, the solar chart/ zodiac, would show our Solar story, like the Draconic tells our very personal nodal story.

Personally I think where the Dracos are karmic, the solar zodiac might be decidedly unkarmic. Not sure about it though.

but what does the Sun really mean?

That is where I remembered Dawn Bodrogis blog:

"The Sun represents the light that illuminates from within. It is impossible to define properly because the Sun’s inner light permeates all living things. "
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/13/the-mystery-of-solar-fire-part-2/

"Often we’re advised to do what’s in our heart, and reject defining ourselves by our outer circumstances[...]

The Sun is at the center, and we are contained within that circle. We carry all of the sign archetypes within the circle of ourselves, but the sign that holds our Sun (as perceived from the earth) has a special meaning, as does the house it falls in. It’s the link to our most basic creative power, the place where we can reach beyond the limitations of our everyday existence and link in to our own heart energy.

[...]"
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/08/16/the-mystery-of-solar-fire-part-4/

posted August 28, 2014 07:46 AM            

Through his presence alone I became aware of myself, I somehow feel more myself when he is around.
It was like that moment a few years ago, he provided some sort of key (just through who he is) to grant me access to who I really am.

(and secretly thinking: of how I could have been, how I could be, if not for the fears and thoughts holding me back, shaping me into something else,t hat is not entirely me, but a compromise between ME and the ENVIRONMENT, if not for the way I was conditioned through life-experiences)

Actually that was the first thought shooting through my mind, this line from a song: You remind me of what I really am.

I hesitate to say that he sort of gave me success to my inner child, to my childhood, for I know for some people childhood might have been hell (whereasI have very good memories) and "inner child", well nothing really immature about that feeling.

Just a feeling of PRESENCE and BEING.

that point where I am in touch with my PURE ESSENCE. ENERGY. I don´t know, I do not have the words to describe it. I just know that from this day I sort of was myself - again.
Centred. and that feeling of being authentic or myself, is one that gives a feeling of freedom, carefreeness and deeply felt bliss. It IS spiritual, too. In the sense that I know that I AM,a nd what I am

If you strip away all the conditioning, all the theoretical analytical constructs and whatever. Just the pulse of life, pulse of my very personal energy.

THAT is how I understand the solar zodiac.

(it probably makes sense that Mr Sag`s Sun is conjunct my own Sun by one degree, so there IS a strong mirroring going on. in a way I DID see myself in him, or a part of it at least).

posted August 28, 2014 07:47 AM            

The solar it's the "movie star", the "celeb" inside us, right?

How do we calculate it? Is there any program?

For example:

my Moon 15 Leo
my Sun 20 Virgo

is my Moon at 25 Cancer?

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posted August 28, 2014 07:57 AM            

Or alternative.

You move your Sun to 00 Aries, and move all other planets about the same amount of degrees.

Example:

my Sun is 26 Sagittarius

It needs to move 94° to hit 00 Aries.

these 94° are being added to any other planet.

It also means that 4 degrees squares in natal/synastry where the other planet is 94° ahead of mine, will be MORE significant than originally thought, as my solar planetary placement will be hit.

for me personally that happens with my ASC-Jupiter-square natally.

my ASC is 7 Sagittarius,
so moving it ahead 94°,, we come up to 11 Pisces, which is my geosolar/ solar ASC, and falling onto my Radix Jupiter on 11 Pisces.

Another hit to my Jupiter. lol

so whenever I touch my Jupiter, or activate it, the solar ASC will resonate.

that Jupiter is very much ME.
Of course we already knew that.

my solar Moon is on 21 Taurus right on my 6th house cusp.

THAT is totally me. Well my Moon is 2nd house anyway, but if I could do whatever I feel like doing, I would get into Taurean mood. And that is how I am when I feel emotionally contained and secure, and very much "myself".

the Aqua-Moon is of course me as well, but that inner emotional satisfaction, I get more when i am allowed to do Taurus things.

posted August 28, 2014 09:25 AM            

My Dad`s Solar Moon is on 26 Gemini
my Mum`s Solar Moon on 25 Aquarius
my middle brother`s on 3 Aquarius
my youngest brothers on 26 Sagittarius

Well, this is actualy VERY fitting.

Funny enough my Mom, despite being a Scorpio with Cancer-ASC and Virgo Moon, often complains about not being "free enough" and if she has time for herself you will find her reading a book, usually about some political issue and loving to talk about that. Great huminatarian as well. She sometimes complians - jokingly- that she can never be on her own, either my Dad (Taurus-moon) or my midle borther (Scorpio-Moon) are following her wherever she goes.

She also sometimes jokingly teases my Dad about putting his nose into just EVERYTHING, gossip, whatever. He is very curious, and his most natural state is talking and chatting to other people. He is the most charming talker over hte phone I have ever come across, which would fit the solar Gemini-Moon perfectly. It is the habit he feels most comfortable with I suppose.
Interestingly their Solar Moons are closely trine, and there has always been that intellectual vibe in our family. Well of course this is emphasized in their chart at other places, too, with my Dad`s Aquarius Sun and my Mum`s 1st house Uranus.

my youngest brother has the normal AND solar Moon in Sagittarius, conj. Jupiter and Uranus. He is brilliant, very independent thinker, VERY opinionated, and tends to hold long philosophical monologues. It is getting a little much sometimes.

So you see my solar Taurus Moon does not quite fit there.

Interestingly we have an emphasis on about 10 Aries.

my solar Venus falls there
my Dad`s solar Venus on 11 Aries
my middle brothers solar Mars on 14 Aries
my youngest brother`s solar ASC on 10 Aris
my mom`s solar Mercury on 10 Aries.

also relating back to the tropicals

my Pluto 9 Libra
my Dad`?s Mars 9 Libra and Nn 9 Aries
my Mum?s Saturn 9 Libra and Juptier 6 Aries
my youngest brother`s Mars 7 ARies and Venus 14 Aries.

posted August 28, 2014 09:32 AM            

MC 26 Taurus

both angles in reverse from my natal

Moon 24 Aqua - a bit surprised about this one, but it kinda makes sense In the 1st house. Strengthening my 1st house Lilith and my Moon/Lilith/MC/IC Fixed Cross. I would have been surprised if the Moon hadn't been Fixed.

Venus 16 Pisces - on my Jupiter - definitely. In 2nd. Opp my natal Sun (4).

Mars 10 Aries, Pluto 16 Aries, Mercury 21 Aries - my stellium, I definitely relate to that - my stellium starts with Mars in Aries Point. In my 2nd/3rd. Mercury conjuncts natal Chiron (2) and yes, very fitting, Chiron in 3rd. Mercury also opposes natal Uranus.

Jupiter 22 Virgo, Juno 20 Virgo, conjunct my natal Sun, plus Aphrodite 22 Pisces opp my Sun - yes, Sun/Jupiter/Juno is definitely me

Saturn 27 Cap, my 1st.

Uranus 5 Taurus, my 3rd.

Neptune 17 Gem, exactly on my Karma and SN. Interesting, this one. Natal Neptune is near my natal NN (7). Neptune in 5th.

Eros 24 Sag 11th

Vesta 11 Taurus exactly opposing my natal Vesta 11 Scorpio

Amor 8 Pisces, on my natal stellium (Ceres, Juno, Jupiter), opposes natal Venus (2)

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posted August 28, 2014 10:13 AM            

That means your solar Moon is in the sign of my Radix Moon.
And on my Radix Psyche exactly, and my Dwad ASC. lol

I actually sometimes have been thinking that you strike me more in tune with Aquarius-energy than I am, and I am the one with the Aqua Moon!

"I would have been surprised if the Moon hadn't been Fixed."
Yes, for me as well.
Hmm is your Sun in square or opposite relation to 00 Aries? (meaning anywhere near the Cap-Cancer or LIbra-Aries-axis? possibly a Sun in Libra, if your Leo Moon becomes a solar Aqua-Moon?)

"Mars 10 Aries,"
LOL
So you, too with the 10 Aries resonance. My Solar Venus falls there.

"Eros 24 Sag 11th"
Okay, admit it, if you are very honest and thinking outside any kind of categories, you are insanely attracted to me, or rather my Sun-Mercury on 25-26 Sag, right?

I find those people with Sun in Libra or end of Virgo close to Libra interesting, as their solar zodiac will emphasise the polarity in their chart. Like even though they are a certain sign, in a solar sense the polar one will be part of the package as well.

posted August 28, 2014 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Great topic, I love looking into people's Solar Chart. Hope it becomes more mainstream.

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And thanks for the tip.
Well for me the calculation comes easier, but there are people who prefer to draw the visuals I think.

posted August 28, 2014 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

And thanks for the tip.
Well for me the calculation comes easier, but there are people who prefer to draw the visuals I think.

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I like the drawing method because it lets me focus on one element at a time, and my Gem MARS/Ari MERCURY combo makes me "think with my hands" so to speak. I like my hands having something to do while thinking, it helps.

I haven't found any software that does it automatically, have you? I'd love to be able to do Venus, Lunar etc. charts for others, but sometimes I just don't feel like printing and taking out the compass...

posted August 28, 2014 10:20 AM            

ASC 11 Pisces
MC 9 Capricorn

Moon 21 Taurus
Mercury 29 Pisces
Venus 10 Aries
Mars 9 Pisces

Jupiter 15 Gemini
Saturn 21 Libra
Uranus 5 Aquarius
Neptune 14 Pisces
Pluto 13 Capricorn
NN 14 Pisces
Vertex 25 Libra

Karma 20 Virgo
Destinn 27 Libra
Union 3 Aquarius
Alma 10 Cancer
Atropos 23 Taurus
Pholus 10 Gemini

Juno 21 Gemini
Amor 6 Pisces
Valentine 1 Pisces
Eros 25 Libra
Psyche 28 Taurus
Cupido 24 Scorpio

Isis 12 Aries
Osiris 11 Aries

ast Lilith 10 Sag
Priapus 4 Scorpio
true LIlith 2 Gemini

Vesta 5 Aries
Ceres 13 Gemini

EDIT:
my solar zodiac is closely resembling - signwise- my draconic chart, so I suppose this is really my thing, becoming (Draconic) what I am (solar). lol

posted August 28, 2014 10:24 AM            

I suppose I see it in my head.

For me for example doing my Venusian chart, as my Venus is on 6 Cap, I simply calculate:

minus 6 degree plus the squaring sign ahead, sounds more complicated typing it than doing it in my head. lol

unfortunately I haven`t found a software doing it either.

posted August 28, 2014 10:30 AM            

Now try to guess my placements

posted August 28, 2014 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Libran-dream,

I suppose I see it in my head.

For me for example doing my Venusian chart, as my Venus is on 6 Cap, I simply calculate:

minus 6 degree plus the squaring sign ahead, sounds more complicated typing it than doing it in my head. lol

unfortunately I haven`t found a software doing it either.

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How do synastry contacts feel different to you than geo? Since my Solar is the same as my Draconic, it's hard for me to tell them apart in energy signature.

posted August 28, 2014 10:54 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Thanks for sharing, Ceri. We'll never be bored here with you

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I hope so

No clue about your placements.

posted August 28, 2014 11:07 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b]:

How do synastry contacts feel different to you than geo?

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LIBERATED.

For me personally it feels like speaking directly to a very unconditioned, essential part of me.

For example my solar Venus in Aries

I suppose it was her walking straight up to the man, I never had met before, asking him for his birthtime to be able to do his horoscope.

Aries-Venus. lol

It was an impulsive action, that startled me myself. And I was telling myself that htis was just not me, not myself acting this way (my tropical Cappy-Venus DIED of embarassment that moment!).

And yet, like my friend said: Oh yes, that is TOTALLY you.

It felt like me. A Me, that I could be, if I only could. In a world where I would not have to consider other people, reactions, critical ones, repulsion, codes of conduct.

My first reaction, internally, the one that feels authentic, actually would be one of very straightforward behaviour. i am sonot for playing games.
BUT somehow I must have learned along the way, that it doesn`t work that way, or at least thinking that I should not act this way. (Venus in Capricorn).

In a way it rendered me helpless to act AT ALL, cause I have to act in away, that does not feel like me. But if I act like me, I fear social repercussions, and that has me all confused and over time forgetting who I really am, and what it is to feel like myself. And that is not all that demure and controlled than I would have people believe.

If you could see inside my head.

Interestingly my Draconic Venus is also in Aries (though at the end of the sign), so I suppose it is part of my learning proces to remember what it is like to be an Aries-Venus and express her more than I usually do.

Anyway, anyone touching my solar planets, I suppose, feels like someone who can trigger that unconditioned being in me. Makes me feel like a child, in the sense that I feel free from any kind of enivronmental conditions.

Interestingly Mr Sag does not trigger my solar Venus by conjunction or opposition (though his Draco Mars-Jupiter conjuncts it exactly, but I would stay away from mixing too many zodiacs for the beginning. lol I hardly can interprete tropical-solar. lol)

unless we count the fact that his tropical Saturn--DESC-Vertex is exactly quindecile my solar Venus. (and exact opposing DracoVenus).

maybe such a cross aspect feels like either someone touches or wakes up a part of us that feels very unconditioned, very essential, like the inner child, or sometimes it might even feel as having the permission to "dance in the rain" and just surrender to the more spontaneous sides of our being, to just "be".

posted August 28, 2014 11:12 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b]
Also, there is another Solar technique, where you transpose the Sun to the AC, I forgot the name

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It is the secondary chart, and basis of many arabic parts, yes .

posted August 28, 2014 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The second reason for me looking into it has a lot to do with Mr Sag and that sudden feeling I got some years back, when he bounced into my life. no, not of falling in love or lust or anything of that kind.
It had more to do with a feeling about MYSELF.

Through his presence alone I became aware of myself, I somehow feel more myself when he is around.
It was like that moment a few years ago, he provided some sort of key (just through who he is) to grant me access to who I really am.

(and secretly thinking: of how I could have been, how I could be, if not for the fears and thoughts holding me back, shaping me into something else,t hat is not entirely me, but a compromise between ME and the ENVIRONMENT, if not for the way I was conditioned through life-experiences)

Actually that was the first thought shooting through my mind, this line from a song: You remind me of what I really am.

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posted August 28, 2014 11:23 AM            

But there is just so much going on on so many levels, permeating each other, simultaneously.

posted August 28, 2014 11:27 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LIBERATED.

For me personally it feels like speaking directly to a very unconditioned, essential part of me.

For example my solar Venus in Aries

I suppose it was her walking straight up to the man, I never had met before, asking him for his birthtime to be able to do his horoscope.

Aries-Venus. lol

It was an impulsive action, that startled me myself. And I was telling myself that htis was just not me, not myself acting this way (my tropical Cappy-Venus DIED of embarassment that moment!).

And yet, like my friend said: Oh yes, that is TOTALLY you.

It felt like me. A Me, that I could be, if I only could. In a world where I would not have to consider other people, reactions, critical ones, repulsion, codes of conduct.

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I like to mix up charts, where's the fun if you're not talking 4,5 systems at once.
I actually think your Solar Venus on the man's Draco Mars is a very strong attractant. That would be something that would help both grow; him toward his karmic purpose, you toward your self-expression. So definitely a learning experience through Mars and Venus, for both.

posted August 28, 2014 11:36 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b]

I actually think your Solar Venus on the man's Draco Mars is a very strong attractant. That would be something that would help both grow; him toward his karmic purpose, you toward your self-expression. So definitely a learning experience through Mars and Venus, for both.

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Thank you for pointing that out. After I had made my post, I was having the same thought, that this is actually helping us both, in different ways, or triggering us.
And actually there is a tropical hook, where it can get channelled through, just not in HIS chart. It is in mine, as my Pluto is opposing that conjunction.
It probably is not without relevance.

posted August 28, 2014 12:20 PM            

That means your solar Moon is in the sign of my Radix Moon.
And on my Radix Psyche exactly, and my Dwad ASC. lol

yes, I know So you feel me Aqua? Interesting!

Then your duad ASC is on my duad DSC 21 Aqua and duad Neptune 24 Aqua exact. That's why I idealize you, Ceri! And Moon/Psyche is great

I actually sometimes have been thinking that you strike me more in tune with Aquarius-energy than I am, and I am the one with the Aqua Moon!

"I would have been surprised if the Moon hadn't been Fixed."
Yes, for me as well.
Hmm is your Sun in square or opposite relation to 00 Aries? (meaning anywhere near the Cap-Cancer or LIbra-Aries-axis? possibly a Sun in Libra, if your Leo Moon becomes a solar Aqua-Moon?)

my Sun is at 20 Virgo, exactly 10 deg. away from my Mars 0 Libra. I am sometimes tempted to consider this a conjunction, because all my relationships activate Sun/Mars mdp 25 Virgo, usually by distant aspects...you are there too

"Mars 10 Aries,"
LOL
So you, too with the 10 Aries resonance. My Solar Venus falls there.

"Eros 24 Sag 11th"
Okay, admit it, if you are very honest and thinking outside any kind of categories, you are insanely attracted to me, or rather my Sun-Mercury on 25-26 Sag, right?

hehehe no doubt. Remember we have Eros/DSc conjunct in composite (0). I think this also show why we are Love mods together here

I find those people with Sun in Libra or end of Virgo close to Libra interesting, as their solar zodiac will emphasise the polarity in their chart. Like even though they are a certain sign, in a solar sense the polar one will be part of the package as well.

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posted August 28, 2014 12:28 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I hope so

No clue about your placements.

Something reckless and bold and funny, but using hilarity to cover up real depth of feeling.

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Hmm, not bad

Lee, maybe you'll try?