posted September 04, 2014 10:46 PM            

I have:

His AC conjuncts my Nemesis and this conjuncts my draco AC (I hurt him and hurt myself even more in the process).

His GT Nemesis conjuncts by 22 minutes, so by less than one orb, my Draco Moon and his Draco chiron by less than an orb and all this inconjuncts my GT chiron.

So his GT nemesis is on my draco moon and on his draco chiron all forming a tight stellium and sextiling his draco moon tightly, all by minutes.

The day I broke up with him transit Moon was conjuncting exact his GT nemesis and my draco moon and by one orb his draco chiron. Also transit chiron squared his saturn.

I feel that nemesis tight aspects in synastry can represent very very close bonds with the right composite and synastry but that are at high risk of the relationship ending as enemies or with this love and hate dynamic or rivalry.

The relationships I have with nemesis involved were VERY close but it feels like one day a bit out of nowhere all that is gone and it feels like they turn on you. Perhaps with my ex we both felt we turned on each other.

My best friend from HS her Draco Nemesis conjuncts my GT chiron by one orb and we were very very good close friends almost like family and then one day that all just turned around and she turned on me. Her GT nemesis conjuncts by less than 4 orbs my GT mars, my mars rules my 5th and conjuncts by one orb my venus which rules my 11th.

People's whose nemesis aspects me significantly just caught me off at some point leaving me in shock and causing a lot of pain.

Is nemesis like chiron in that we don't hurt the other on purpose but accidentally without realizing it what we are doing as we do it and only realizing it later or is this just nemesis to chiron aspects that play out like this?

posted September 04, 2014 11:10 PM            

The Mercury square is the biggest significance, because when he opens his mouth, or texts me a stupid question he knows the answer to, I want to punch him in the face.
He just irks me, makes my skin crawl. I've never disliked a person so much in my life, even past exes.

His Chiron also squares my Nemesis, and I think my treating him like a mortal enemy really hurts him. He often says he wants me in his life, I changed him for the better, he can't throw three years away... Blah blah blah. I've had to take special care to respond with a simple thumbs up to his questions, when I really want to answer his question with, "Are you an idiot? Nothing's changed. Why are you asking me this?"

posted September 05, 2014 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
My ex-husband has his Mercury (2') and Saturn (exact) square my Nemesis, and he drives me ******* batshit crazy. It makes sense, too. I still have responsibilities to him (financially for the next two months, since March), and he wants to be all buddy-buddy, but I honestly can say I detest him.

The Mercury square is the biggest significance, because when he opens his mouth, or texts me a stupid question he knows the answer to, I want to punch him in the face.
He just irks me, makes my skin crawl. I've never disliked a person so much in my life, even past exes.

His Chiron also squares my Nemesis, and I think my treating him like a mortal enemy really hurts him. He often says he wants me in his life, I changed him for the better, he can't throw three years away... Blah blah blah. I've had to take special care to respond with a simple thumbs up to his questions, when I really want to answer his question with, "Are you an idiot? Nothing's changed. Why are you asking me this?"

But... He got me to where I was intended to be. So I guess I have to be thankful for that, at least.

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Wow listen to all that passion LOL........I really appreciate you sharing with me. Do you just hate him or is it a love and hate back and forth thing?!

Ok so you were with him for 3 years so I imagine you were in love with him at some point right? Think back to the first year; how did you feel then?

When did this start turning into hate, at what point more or less time wise and what do you think did it? Were you ever truly in love or did you always feel annoyed by this intellect and communication style?

posted September 05, 2014 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Is nemesis like chiron in that we don't hurt the other on purpose but accidentally without realizing it what we are doing as we do it and only realizing it later or is this just nemesis to chiron aspects that play out like this?

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In natal, NEMESIS represents where we are our own worst enemy, a type of divine retribution for our own hubris, and consequence for persisting in our bad habits. House placement is important, as it exposes where our Achilles heel is.

In synastry, I think it relates more to the planet person exposing or agitating these bad habits, and the NEMESIS native must either overcome and recognize their weakness, or suffer for it. NEMESIS herself doesn't seem to represent an "external" foe, but an "internal" one that is woken up in synastry, and she is prone to pointing fingers and pinning the blame elsewhere, because the native doesn't want to take responsibility.

posted September 05, 2014 08:59 AM            

Astrology deals with energy and this makes the interpretation multidimensional bc the energy can play out different ways.

posted September 05, 2014 10:05 AM            

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Wow listen to all that passion LOL........I really appreciate you sharing with me. Do you just hate him or is it a love and hate back and forth thing?!

Ok so you were with him for 3 years so I imagine you were in love with him at some point right? Think back to the first year; how did you feel then?

When did this start turning into hate, at what point more or less time wise and what do you think did it? Were you ever truly in love or did you always feel annoyed by this intellect and communication style?

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Of course!

It definitely started with love, but the more and more I came to know him, the more I couldn't stand him. It was more of something that transitioned from one thing to the other.

In the beginning, it was good, but there was still some sense of hesitancy on my part. Something didn't feel right--like I didn't agree with the way he conducted things. The difference is, in the beginning, I think love sort of assuaged any negative feelings and annoyances, as in most cases, that would later turn into extreme feelings of contempt.

About two years in, things began getting really sour, to the point that he hurt me so much I just wanted him out of my life. He was my enemy for all the things he'd done to me. I needed him gone for having fooled me the way he did, and also for making me my own enemy; I went against my better judgment, told myself lies, excused inexcusable behaviors.

There was a quick transition from love to hate, friends to enemies. Where we were once the former, things transformed between us into the latter. Almost overnight my feelings changed.

I don't know how else to describe it. To have any influence of his in my life feels toxic and conjures up intense feelings of abhorrence and loathing.

I really do view him as my enemy. I don't wish him any harm, I just want him out of sight and on with his self. I don't know how nice person can be so convoluted and selfish. We were so close and intense and it all ended horrendously.

I can actually think of ways he tried to harm/hurt me, like only an enemy would, all of it towards the end but while still together:

- he took my dogs and moved in with a guy he had been fooling around with
- cancelled my car insurance without telling me... I only found out when I called to renew. Was uninsured for 15 days!
- withdrew all the money from our mutual account so my student loan payment would default
- filed my taxes jointly while I was out of state, then moved MY return into a private account I had no access to

posted September 05, 2014 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
Of course!

It definitely started with love, but the more and more I came to know him, the more I couldn't stand him. It was more of something that transitioned from one thing to the other.

In the beginning, it was good, but there was still some sense of hesitancy on my part. Something didn't feel right--like I didn't agree with the way he conducted things. The difference is, in the beginning, I think love sort of assuaged any negative feelings and annoyances, as in most cases, that would later turn into extreme feelings of contempt.

About two years in, things began getting really sour, to the point that he hurt me so much I just wanted him out of my life. He was my enemy for all the things he'd done to me. I needed him gone for having fooled me the way he did, and also for making me my own enemy; I went against my better judgment, told myself lies, excused inexcusable behaviors.

There was a quick transition from love to hate, friends to enemies. Where we were once the former, things transformed between us into the latter. Almost overnight my feelings changed.

I don't know how else to describe it. To have any influence of his in my life feels toxic and conjures up intense feelings of abhorrence and loathing.

I really do view him as my enemy. I don't wish him any harm, I just want him out of sight and on with his self. I don't know how nice person can be so convoluted and selfish. We were so close and intense and it all ended horrendously.

I can actually think of ways he tried to harm/hurt me, like only an enemy would, all of it towards the end but while still together:

- he took my dogs and moved in with a guy he had been fooling around with
- cancelled my car insurance without telling me... I only found out when I called to renew. Was uninsured for 15 days!
- withdrew all the money from our mutual account so my student loan payment would default
- filed my taxes jointly while I was out of state, then moved MY return into a private account I had no access to

There's so much more, but you get the gist. Just plain trying to harm.

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I feel your pain and frustration! I am glad you broke up with him. He sounds like a sociopath maybe. I am sorry you had to go through that. I am sure you will meet a good man who will be actually a good friend to you in addition to your partner and treat you right.

posted September 05, 2014 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
In natal, NEMESIS represents where we are our own worst enemy, a type of divine retribution for our own hubris, and consequence for persisting in our bad habits. House placement is important, as it exposes where our Achilles heel is.

In synastry, I think it relates more to the planet person exposing or agitating these bad habits, and the NEMESIS native must either overcome and recognize their weakness, or suffer for it. NEMESIS herself doesn't seem to represent an "external" foe, but an "internal" one that is woken up in synastry, and she is prone to pointing fingers and pinning the blame elsewhere, because the native doesn't want to take responsibility.

I think the planet person unwittingly hurts the NEMESIS person in their efforts to address the problem. I dated someone who had NEMESIS in their 1H, and also conjunct my SUN. This person was an identical twin, and always self-judging based off that. I tried infusing ego (SUN) to help, but since NEMESIS is a lifelong battle, it drained me quite a bit. I eventually left. My own MARS-NEMESIS made that call for different reasons.

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Your input is interesting. I found some information that seems to indicate that in natal its about balancing out too much fortune...However how would that play out in synastry? This is the info I found:

128 Nemesis (Greek):

Nemesis was the Goddess of indignation against, and retribution for, evil deeds and undeserved good fortune. She was a personification of the resentment aroused in men by those who commited crimes with apparent impunity, or who had inordinate good fortune.

Nemesis directed human affairs in such a way as to maintain equilibrium. Her name means "she who distributes or deals out". Happiness and unhappiness were measured out by her, care being taken that happiness was not too frequent or too excessive. If this happened, Nemesis could bring about losses and suffering. As one who checked extravagant favours by Tyche (Goddess of Fortune), Nemesis was regarded as an avenging or punishing divinity.

In myth Nemesis was particularly concerned with matters of love. She appears as an avenging agent in the stories of Narkissos and Nikaia, whose callous actions brought about the death of their wooers. In some versions of the Trojan War, she was the mother of Helene, and is shown in scenes of her seduction by Paris pointing an accusing finger at the girl.

Nemesis was often sometimes depicted as a winged Goddess. Her attributes were apple-branch, rein, lash, sword, or balance. Her name was derived from the Greek words nemęsis and nemô, meaning "dispenser of dues." The Romans usually used the Greek name of the Goddess, but sometimes also called her Invidia (Jealousy) and Rivalitas (Jealous Rivalry).

Nemesis is most commonly described as a daughter of Night, though some call her a daughter of Erebus or of Oceanus. Nemesis is a personification of the moral reverence for law, of the natural fear of committing a culpable action, and hence of conscience, and for this reason she is mentioned along with Aidôs, i. e. Shame. In later writers, as Herodotus and Pindar, Nemesis is a kind of fatal divinity, for she directs human affairs in such a manner as to restore the right proportions or equilibrium wherever it has been disturbed; she measures out happiness and unhappiness, and he who is blessed with too many or too frequent gifts of fortune, is visited by her with losses and sufferings, in order that he may become humble, and feel that there are bounds beyond which human happiness cannot proceed with safety. This notion arose from a belief that the Gods were envious of excessive human happiness. Nemesis was thus a check upon extravagant favours conferred upon man by Tyche or Fortune, and from this idea lastly arose that of her being an avenging and punishing power of fate, who, like Dike and the Erinyes, sooner or later overtakes the reckless sinner.

posted September 05, 2014 04:42 PM            

Synastry is trickier, because it's more difficult to discern if the NEMESIS native will lash out in indignation like a bucking bull, or if the planet native will join hands with NEMESIS to administer punishment. It depends on the NEMESIS native, I feel, that will determine the nature of how things will ultimately play out. If NEMESIS is suppressed, I see a rewarding and fulfilling relationship between the two people, because they are truly working together fruitfully. But if NEMESIS persists, she finds any and all ways to sabotage the relationship.

The trick is to find out how the mixing energies will manifest.

posted September 05, 2014 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Yes, she is like the dark sister of FORTUNA/TYCHE. NEMESIS is readily interpreted in natal conjunctions to planets, luminaries, and angles, because she draws out the negative of what she touches. When the native misuses or ignores their planetary/house energies, she is quick to mete out punishment, which is why I indicated an "internal" foe earlier. We are naturally fortunate with our planetary placements, as that is where the planet "works best/most prominently", by sheer nature of it being placed there. FORTUNA instantly rewards our efforts using the energies positively, while NEMESIS is just as quick to punish our misdeeds. What's really interesting is when FORTUNA (19) and NEMESIS (128) make contact in the natal. FORTUNA always wins out, in the end.

Synastry is trickier, because it's more difficult to discern if the NEMESIS native will lash out in indignation like a bucking bull, or if the planet native will join hands with NEMESIS to administer punishment. It depends on the NEMESIS native, I feel, that will determine the nature of how things will ultimately play out. If NEMESIS is suppressed, I see a rewarding and fulfilling relationship between the two people, because they are truly working together fruitfully. But if NEMESIS persists, she finds any and all ways to sabotage the relationship.

The trick is to find out how the mixing energies will manifest.

An "external" or literal nemesis may be indicated with NEMESIS, but I think this should be supported by other prominent placements, like NESSUS (7066), DEJANIRA (157), APOPHIS (99942), CHIRON or other related "bad" asteroids. Perhaps even 12H placements, 12R hard aspects, and conjunctions to Arabic Parts of Secret Enemies, Enmity, Deceit, Peril, Retribution, Self-Undoing, Slander, Treachery, Violence, etc.

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Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge with me, it has added a lot of depth to an asteroid I very much needed to understand more.

I always thought that my venus was not afflicted but this didn't make sense to me bc I dont think I am lucky in love, I have:

venus in leo 23
karma in leo 23
mars in leo 24
fortuna in leo 24

and all this trines my neptune and sun-moon midpoint

and all this sextiles my pluto

Based on this aspects you would think I have good karma with love and this has never made sense to me..

Until Now...

You Mentioned Apophis and I looked it up, it turns out I have apophis in leo at 23 degrees so venus-karma-apophis are all in leo at 23 degrees in the 9th and this stellium semisextiles my nemesis in the 10th and inconjuncts my moon in the 4th and my moon opposes my nemesis; this opposition forms a tsquare with my neptune in the first.

Transit Apophis conjuncted exact my natal priapus on a very dark day in my life (priapus forms an exact grand trine with pallas and chaos), I lost everything that day but also it seems I "dodged a bullet." On this day transit elatus was conjuncting my nemesis and tyche was on my AC. Transit fortuna conjuncted my husband's nemesis on this day. There is more interesting transits going on this day:

SN/T-pholus opposite NN/T-chaos, nemesis/T-elatus opposite Moon which inconjuncts venus/karma/apophis so a grand cross involving the nodes was activated with the transits and my life as I knew it ceased to exist and a forced turning point caused by fate occurred but throughout all this I appear to be protected and have a lot of support so it stings but in time I suspect I will realize the whole thing was a blessing in disguise. Also transit Southnode conjuncted my chaos on this so making a double whammy with Transit chaos conjuncting my Northnode.

Chaos conjuncts my Juno so it makes sense that this experienced was shared with my husband.
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What do you think of my venus-karma-apophis stellium conjunct mars-fortuna?? The honest truth, what do you think about that?

posted September 05, 2014 10:44 PM            

I have VENUS quite prominent. She is in mutual reception with PLUTO, as my final co-dispositor. VENUS sits near my SUN/MOON MP (3°04'), at my chart zenith (AC/DC MP, 1°50'), semisextile my SUN (0°01'), semisextile SATURN-JUPITER (2°28'-4°24'), sextile MARS-NEMESIS (2°35'-3°23'), and opposite CHIRON (3°57'). Most importantly, she is square my NN/SN (2°35'), so together with CHIRON, represents the "skipped step" in my life path. (My chart has a lot of geometry.)

VENUS-FORTUNA has blessed me with artistic and writing ability (9H), as well as excellent friends, fortunate home life, and money when I really need it (again, 9H of luck, but I'm also a Sag, so somewhat lucky in general).

BUT. I am also a SUN-ANGEL-ANTARES, and PSYCHE-BLESS. So, it's a culmination of a few different things.

I wouldn't count myself "lucky in love" because of CHIRON, but nonetheless am fortunate in my general relationships. In other areas, VENUS works her magic well, with FORTUNA's help.

MARS-NEMESIS sits sextile to VENUS-FORTUNA. This manifests as a lazy MARS with a fierce stubborn streak, who really doesn't like getting told what to do (square its ruler, SATURN). This makes my business suffer, when I allow it to persist, and have to build up my social network from the beginning all over again (MARS is my 3R). VENUS (money) suffers too, but always manages to find a way (FORTUNA).

For you, VENUS-KARMA-APOPHIS speaks of some serious karmic dues for you this time around the block. APOPHIS represents death & destruction, the snake that swallows the SUN, and tense near-misses.

MARS-FORTUNA tempers your susceptibility to outright violence, instead infusing your VENUS with strong passion and the vitality to carry on despite it all. MARS will be the one to carry you home at the end of the day. I'd look to what MARS rules, as well as 1H placements, and of course, where MARS is placed by sign/house.

It's really a mixed bag for you, when it comes to synastry. You must favor Martian energy in your friends and interests.

posted September 06, 2014 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:

For you, VENUS-KARMA-APOPHIS speaks of some serious karmic dues for you this time around the block. APOPHIS represents death & destruction, the snake that swallows the SUN, and tense near-misses.

MARS-FORTUNA tempers your susceptibility to outright violence, instead infusing your VENUS with strong passion and the vitality to carry on despite it all. MARS will be the one to carry you home at the end of the day. I'd look to what MARS rules, as well as 1H placements, and of course, where MARS is placed by sign/house.

It's really a mixed bag for you, when it comes to synastry. You must favor Martian energy in your friends and interests.

I have a lot of friends and family with FORTUNA prominent. Off the top of my head, my mom is a VENUS-FORTUNA, my soul sister Indigo/Aubyanne is a SUN-FORTUNA, and JH is also a SUN-FORTUNA. Perhaps check your circle for similar placements?

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My mars in leo is in the 9th and rules my 5th and it totally is a mixed bag when it comes to fortune for me but I seem to be protected and always have what I need so its kind of like I always have just the right amount of fortune but I wouldn't say I have fortune in excess hahaha.

Supportive family, loyal husband, good friends, I always find work and I attribute that to my persistent mars but my love life is plagued with frustration, pain and longing but I am not lonely and do feel loved and am grateful for this and the people I give my heart to do love me back but things don't work out like one hopes so yes my love life is definitely a mixed bag and money wise I always have just what I need but usually not a lot more but when I truly desire something the law of attraction seems to give it to me temporarily when it comes to love, friendship and travel perhaps bc of my mars/fortune and jupiter conjunct uranus exact applying in the 12th and perhaps fortuna provides and apophis takes away what I love too much.

Every time I find someone in life my on a friendship or love level that I really really connect with either they move away or I move away or nemesis creeps in I guess and apophis takes over.

My husband's venus conjuncts more tightly my mars than my venus so you are right on about mars themes in my relationships as far as synastry. With my ex his mars trines more tightly my mars than my venus and his mars conjuncts my neptune and sun-moon midpoint at the GC all at 26 deg sag. Instead of venus conjuncting my ex venus it sextiles it but my venusia conjuncts his venus. My husband's NN conjuncts more tightly my valentine by minutes than my venus which would be by 4 orbs.

Apophis is really freaking me out though. In composite with my ex apophis conjuncts the AC, Sun, Pluto, Mars and Valentine and the conjunction to the sun is exact.

With the composite with my husband Apophis conjuncts exact our mercury but also conjuncts mars and asteroid 1181 lilith.

Apophis conjunct venus explains why my instinct is to break up relationships right from the beginning in combo with mercury retro ruling my 7th, also I have BML in the 3rd opposing my venus/karma/apophis. I very much want to be in a relationship but once in it its like I am trying to destroy it by breaking up; its almost a compulsion specially at the beginning. I told my husband that I have this bad habit of wanting to break up and then changing my mind so he took that seriously and ignores it when I start to say I want to break up but also discourages a lot that I do this and now I dont do that anymore but it took years for him to get me off this bad habit.

Blind water, thanks a lot for all your input. You have been amazing!

Can I ask you something?, I would love to hear the inspiration behind your screen name Blind Water if there was one.

ADD:
Upon reading more on Apophis and reflecting on how it manifests itself in my life it seems that its energy has a positive side to it as well. I started a thread on it: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003167.html

posted September 07, 2014 02:32 PM            

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Can I ask you something?, I would love to hear the inspiration behind your screen name Blind Water if there was one.

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Writer. ;P

It derives from the fact I'm both an artist and a writer (and, and, and). My creative muses sometimes use words to paint a picture instead of imagery. They can't see the images, so these blind muses become writers to express themselves. As such, I could also call myself a Mute Artist, but Blind Writer has a nicer ring to it.

Aside from VENUS-FORTUNA, I'm a SUN-MELPOMENE. MUSA-AC, too. And MC-URANUS-MERCURY. So writing and art are both in my hard-wiring.

FORTUNA semisextile MELPOMENE 0°12' and parallel 0°0'30"
MUSA quintile URANUS 0°44' and parallel 0°0'16"
MUSA quintile MC 0°08' and parallel 0°21'40"

posted September 08, 2014 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Writer. ;P

It derives from the fact I'm both an artist and a writer (and, and, and). My creative muses sometimes use words to paint a picture instead of imagery. They can't see the images, so these blind muses become writers to express themselves. As such, I could also call myself a Mute Artist, but Blind Writer has a nicer ring to it.

Aside from VENUS-FORTUNA, I'm a SUN-MELPOMENE. MUSA-AC, too. And MC-URANUS-MERCURY. So writing and art are both in my hard-wiring.

FORTUNA semisextile MELPOMENE 0°12' and parallel 0°0'30"
MUSA quintile URANUS 0°44' and parallel 0°0'16"
MUSA quintile MC 0°08' and parallel 0°21'40"

MERCURY-KARMA at my SUN-VENUS MP, etc etc. I'd go on, but my chart really does have a lot of geometry.

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oh that makes sense