posted September 07, 2014 07:19 PM            

Jupiter and Aphrodite are conjunct the MC

posted September 07, 2014 09:31 PM            

IC dynamics originate in the seat of the soul. Good, bad, and ugly, everything that's in there, buried underneath gets dug out. Not like a 12H or 8H thing -- this is purely of the childhood traumas and even karmic history sense. It's emotional, even instinctual.

My husband and I have dual MOON conjunct IC, so, invariably, MOON-IC in the composite. My partner and I have a packed 4H as well: MOON and EROS straddle the IC with AMOR. Trouble has been it's all in AQU. There's an intense chemistry, attraction and emotional draw which is almost compulsive. But with AQU, it's often becoming intellectualised and rationalised. Something we're always having to watch.

posted September 07, 2014 09:36 PM            

As that cURA is conjunct my SUN-PLUTO-BML and his MARS-LILITH, it's an indicator of vestigial karma operating as an undercurrent, keeping us pinned to those outmoded forms and ideals. Once we began to clear them (URA) we've been much happier, and able to actually make progress.

posted September 08, 2014 09:35 AM            

I would take it to mean you guys have a lot past experiences together. Sun, Venus, Pallas, Eros, and Mercury, I would say past lovers. With Jupiter and Aphrodite (Venus) I would guess you guys are here to expand and further your (love) experiences with each other.

posted September 08, 2014 11:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

IC dynamics originate in the seat of the soul. Good, bad, and ugly, everything that's in there, buried underneath gets dug out. Not like a 12H or 8H thing -- this is purely of the childhood traumas and even karmic history sense. It's emotional, even instinctual.

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Otherwise, IC energy registers as an automatic, deep and instinctual response to another which registers as familiarity and even security.

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posted September 08, 2014 11:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Fionapineapple:
What's 4R?

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posted September 08, 2014 11:46 AM              

"You could picture the chart with the houses-wheel as an image of the day with the Sun making his circle.

When the Sun is rising, it will be on the ASC (actually this means that if we have planets in the 1st house, they are still in the dark, because they are BEFORE The rising of the sun, as the sun moves from ASC to MC to DC to IC; it also explains why planets in the 1st house are not always very conscious, but very instinctual).

However, if the Sun is high up in the sky, it will be at the MC.

Now, when the Sun has reached the IC it is midnight.
Midnight. What does this word, that time of day trigger inside you? What characteristic does this time have?
It is dark outside, everyone is asleep, hopefully you, too, so then this is the time where the unconsciousness reigns, the deeper layers of your soul through your dreams.

Or you may be awake, but chances are high, you are the only one. You are alone with yourself, without any distractions of the day. You come face to face with yourself, the naked you. And this time of the day feels "strange"; even bio-chemical something changes. The parasympathetic nervous system takes over from the sympatheic nervous system of the day.
It makes you calm down and "draws you inside yourself" so to speak.

If you`re not alone at that time, chances are also good, that you might have amazing sex or deep profound conversations that take a very private intimate turn.
Often you donīt want to know about that anymore in the next morning, because you have been so naked at that time (emotionally and physically maybe).

However, deep in the night,w hen the Sun is on the IC (and not seen!), you will only let those people in, who are real close to you. You won`t get a visit by the postman or the neighbour at that time of night.
No superficial contacts

You can see it like this, The Sun has disappeared, and the Moon reigns. Moon as the ruling planet of the 4th house, which begins with the IC!
And Moon represents emotions, feelings, not like the romantic ones, which are often a "Venus-thing", a DC-thing (about 7 p.m, when you start meeting your friends and potential lovers).
No, I`m talking of emotions in the sense of really touching you inside your soul.
In that respect Moon and IC are pretty much the same.

Also Robert Blashke stated that the closest soulmates will always ALWAYS without exception have either conjunctions or solstice-conjunctions to their IC."

and in another post:

As the lowest point in your chart (on the invisible side of the earth, representing midnight actually) it also represents your deepest core, your soul. Your naked (and most vulnerable) essence.

From there it is only a little step to arrive at the conclusion that it represents to home; as home is being thought to be the place where you can be yourself (of course we all know that not all "homes" will allow that). But as a toddler you couldnīt do anything else but expressing your instinctive needs and your "naked soul". That is the 4th house.
And at the end of your life you return to that "nakedness", as the upcoming moment of death is approaching and this awareness of your mortality will bring you very close to who you really are. Your most primal fears and emotions.
the 8th house is also about these primal experiences, but in regard to other people, how you relate to them, how your own emotional needs merge with theirs.
In the 4th house you are basically "alone" with your emotional core. But if you let someone in there, there can be a feeling of total merging on a soullevel.
Or you might dislike the other person, as they get "under your skin" and you might not want them there.

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The IC is the core of your soul, your very essence. There`s nothing deeper in yours oul than the IC. And that is probably the reason it`s often hidden; it`s such a vulnerable point, that people tend to not show it too easily; sometimes they donīt even look there themselves! If you let someone come in there and he violates that sensitive core of you, this could have very destructive consequences for you. On the other hand someone who touches your IC and loves you for that, for your core, can make you feel like you finally have come home.
Blashke sais that in soulmate relationships there are ALWAYS conjunctions or solstice -conjunctions of one`s planets to the IC of the partner. PErsonally I have noticed he is right, and even more so, in most cases the IC or ruler of IC connects to the ruler of the other angles, like DC-ruler conjunct IC for example.
Hmm, let`s put it this way, at the IC you`re naked, completely stripped bare (your soul is at least), defenceless (this is actually the place in your soul you try to protect by building walls and high defenses), it`s the most receptive point, and from own experience I can say you will never forget the man that touches you so deep inside.

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posted September 08, 2014 12:12 PM              

Anything under 3 degrees around the IC (conjunctions) really sticks, anything under 2 degrees in terms of other major aspects also sticks (especially if in aspect to a planet ON the IC).

However, the effects of planets surrounding the IC can certainly be felt beyond that, 5 degrees seems a nice figure to me.

Anything under 3 degrees VERY intense
anything under 5 degrees still noticeable and to be taken serious
Beyond that it might still be, but I am very uncertain about it. lol

Also if there is a parallel to the IC, that is double-effect of course, in the terms of conjunctions it often will coincide, conjunction and parallel.

posted September 08, 2014 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well I like my orbs tight but even I go beyond THAT tight orb.

Anything under 3 degrees around the IC (conjunctions) really sticks, anything under 2 degrees in terms of other major aspects also sticks (especially if in aspect to a planet ON the IC).

However, the effects of planets surrounding the IC can certainly be felt beyond that, 5 degrees seems a nice figure to me.

Anything under 3 degrees VERY intense
anything under 5 degrees still noticeable and to be taken serious
Beyond that it might still be, but I am very uncertain about it. lol

Also if there is a parallel to the IC, that is double-effect of course, in the terms of conjunctions it often will coincide, conjunction and parallel.

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posted September 08, 2014 12:57 PM            

I think my husband and I have just proven to be the exception. In composite and synastry we have NOTHING (planets) near the IC or MC. I have been told that we were lovers during multi live times and that we are indeed soulmates. We do have asteroids, not sure if we are including those.

I couldn't find the definition of solstice-conjunctions, can someone enlighten me please?

I'm not debating what was written by Ceridwen or others. I just feel that(IC) goes so much deeper than just this life. It could have something to do with being brought up in an abusive home, I just can't buy into the IC representing childhood.

posted September 08, 2014 01:42 PM              

I would never take anything that absolutely, not even if Blashke said it.

Solstice conjunctions are antiscia as a matter of fact.
The reflection of the zodiac via 00 Aries-Libra or 99 Cancer-Capricorn.
you could post the chart and let us have a look.

I also agree with you that the IC often reaches far deeper and more into the past than our present familiy (though it is part of the representation, but only one part of it, and more the 4th house than the IC itself I guess). Actually it represents our "soul-family", which can, but does not have to include our relatives.

posted September 08, 2014 01:45 PM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
What if there's no planetary conjunction but there's IC conjunct DSC?

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This aspect crops up very frequently in soulmate-synastries. Or at least what I though of as such. lol
I noticed that some years ago, how often the interconnection IC-DESC (including rulership) came up.

Still for some action or energy to manifest you would need planetary links (so far the angle conjunctions sais, yes you are probably of one soul-soup, but what are you doing with that? For the "doing" we need planetary involvement).

posted September 08, 2014 02:22 PM            

you could post the chart and let us have a look.

Synastry http://i.imgur.com/LXjOg0t.gif

Composite http://i.imgur.com/YjFaPhV.gif

Thank you for looking, please comment on anything that catches your eye

posted September 08, 2014 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I agree.

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posted September 08, 2014 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
@Ceridwen
That was a really great write-up for the IC, thank you for posting. I really resonated with that. I especially loved how you used the times of day and their social coding.

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posted September 08, 2014 03:18 PM            

IC ruler
conjunct Mercury (ASC and MC ruler) 2
sextile Moon 6
sesquisquare Jupiter (IC ruler) 2.39

posted September 08, 2014 03:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I should hope so, Ceri. You're the one that taught me that!

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Really?

posted September 08, 2014 03:31 PM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
I have a Moon - Pluto conjunction conjunct composite IC.. Moon being exacxt (of 25 seconds) and Pluto - 3 degrees.

What can i say. I feel like IC being conjunct this conjunction really brings it to the core. Like if wouldn't be intense already without this IC, it takes it all even closer to the heart. Somewhere very deep. There is a sense that you can always rely on this person, because, well - you know them so well. And Pluto adds some darkness to that.

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posted September 08, 2014 03:31 PM            

His DSC ruler:
trine my Moon exact
sextile my Mercury exact
sextile my Venus exact
opposite my Mars exact
trine Jupiter 3
square ASC exact

His IC ruler:
quincunx my Moon 1
quincunx my Mercury 1
quincunx my Venus exact
square my Mars exact
sextile Neptune 2
trine Pluto 1
conjunct DSC exact

My DSC ruler
sextile his Venus 2
conjunct his Jupiter exact
square his Sun 5