posted September 10, 2014 02:31 PM              

The way I read Kites, an abbreviated explanation: it's like a bow shooting an arrow in the apex - the purpose - the energy of the elemental triangle is subjected to the purpose and the dynamic trigger is the planet at the nocking point, in this case Venus/Anteros/IC - deep love, not necessarily romantic, but certainly true, compassionate, dreamy/idealistic and self-sacrificing, being where it is.

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posted September 10, 2014 03:10 PM            

@LeeLoo
The Sun's isolation is pretty worrying, even if it is in its own house. It does however, make 5(!) exact sesquisquares(to the MC stelium) and is inconjunct the AC at a 2° orb.
How do you usually interpret sesquisquares? I have to say that I don't usually pay them much attention. In this chart, they appear very important, though.

It's not an affair nor a fling by any means. And not artistic either. Well, it does inspire me to produce art. And him as well, I think. But we can't collaborate. I don't like his stuff and don't want to work with him.

posted September 10, 2014 04:59 PM            

Anyway, there's an emotional fluidity about you two. I personally don't place high value on semisquare as I think they are minor aspects but I'm no astrologer

Moon opposite venus isn't a terrible aspect. But the moon conjunct pluto and thus means emotional runs deep and you two might alternating between wanting to love passionately and to tear each other apart at the same time. Venus opposite pluto indicates deep passionate love but also jealousy and possessiveness. Venus also opposite uranus so I can already sense a hot mess in the making.

Now, mars square mercury means you two argue a lot or have heated discussion. Mars square sun seems problematic to me. The sun conjunct mercury seem already isolated. Perhaps when you two get together, you bring out each other's egos and Martian side? There might be competition of the will.

posted September 10, 2014 05:37 PM            

Sesquisquares are definitely minor. But if two important spots are connected by it - you have to look.
This relationship is very much a hot mess, spot on. I honestly don't know if I love him or hate him more. It's a toss up. And what's more, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

posted September 10, 2014 05:59 PM              

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
@Cappy
There really is a strange lack of Fire in the composite, you're right. I didn't even notice. Both have natal Moon conjunct Uranus, and so it shows in the composite, too. It's a very strange formation in the composite, when two "emotion planets" join with Uranus and get on top of the chart.

@LeeLoo
The Sun's isolation is pretty worrying, even if it is in its own house. It does however, make 5(!) exact sesquisquares(to the MC stelium) and is inconjunct the AC at a 2° orb.
How do you usually interpret sesquisquares? I have to say that I don't usually pay them much attention. In this chart, they appear very important, though.

It's not an affair nor a fling by any means. And not artistic either. Well, it does inspire me to produce art. And him as well, I think. But we can't collaborate. I don't like his stuff and don't want to work with him.

His Mars in on 22 Virgo, on all that MC madness. cSaturn is on my AC/his Neptune. cNeptune is on my Saturn/his MC. I don't know what to do with that info, but it seems incredibly relevant.
cVenus is on my dSun, cNN is on his dSun. His natal NN is on my natal Venus.

The midpoint of that busy opposition of Venus-Moon/Pluto/Uranus/Juno is on his dMoon. The cSaturn is on my dMoon. So much stuff and I get distracted and cannot synthesize it very well. Cannnot see the forest for the trees.

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Yeah, I know, just take it step by step His Mars is there? that's good, it means he's very involved. I was afraid the comp is a woman's wish Saturn on Neptune is heavy stuff. I'm not sure about sesquis yet, but so far I see them like intermittent 4th harmonics jolts: events, turning points, third party interventions, anything coming from the environment with a stimulating, changing, challenging energy, restlessnes that makes you want to do things with that person. Very important in the general architecture of the 4th harmonic.

posted September 10, 2014 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yeah, I know, just take it step by step His Mars is there? that's good, it means he's very involved. I was afraid the comp is a woman's wish Saturn on Neptune is heavy stuff. I'm not sure about sesquis yet, but so far I see them like intermittent 4th harmonics jolts: events, turning points, third party interventions, anything coming from the environment with a stimulating, changing, challenging energy, restlessnes that makes you want to do things with that person. Very important in the general architecture of the 4th harmonic.

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The Saturn-Neptune links are very karmic in my view, especially since I have a Cap Neptune, Saturn is his chart ruler, and his Neptune is on my AC. There is a push-pull dynamic there. I do want him, like I've never wanted anyone else, but I don't, at all. I want him to stay loyal to me forever, but I want him to stay away from me forever. Pretty complicated to sort through emotionally, especially since you really want to stay mature about it. And this is not easy for a pushy Aries Venus like me.

posted September 10, 2014 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Karmic without a doubt, that Neptune/Saturn
Yes, you go to "Harmonic chart (please enter harmonic number in the day field)" under OTHER CHARTS and you enter 4 there, instead of the day.

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posted September 10, 2014 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
@theunknown
You just astrologered this composite pretty well so you definitely are an astrologer.

Sesquisquares are definitely minor. But if two important spots are connected by it - you have to look.
This relationship is very much a hot mess, spot on. I honestly don't know if I love him or hate him more. It's a toss up. And what's more, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

Egos clash and arguments abound, for sure. We see eye-to-eye on a million things, but only the things where we don't are brought up. It's kinda funny, in an almost slapstick kind of way.
Your conclusion is on the right track. I do know why things are not working out, at least from my side, but that unfortunately doesn't stop my emotions.

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I feel ya! I attract uranus and plutonic relationship too.

Honestly the reason I don't pay attention to the minor aspects because I only consult composite when problems arise. And in such case I prefer to focus in the bad aspects haha

posted September 11, 2014 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I feel ya! I attract uranus and plutonic relationship too.

Honestly the reason I don't pay attention to the minor aspects because I only consult composite when problems arise. And in such case I prefer to focus in the bad aspects haha

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The Yod in this chart is VERY beautiful, it tells an entire story. How do you interpret it?

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posted September 11, 2014 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

What was your experience with prominent Uranus and Pluto in composites? You have a very pragmatic view of composite analysis. Yeah, I can see that, when things are going well, who cares, when things get bad, you zero in on the problems.

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Well I have aqua stellium and pluto on DSC. So naturally I attract these relationships where two people have intense feelings but do not want to be tie down.

I haven't actually had the relationships yet because when he chased me, I just started running away.

posted September 13, 2014 08:20 AM              

So I'd like to know:

- do any of you have anything on that Sun?
- could you post the Davison uncorrected? This usually gives me important clues when understanding a more controversial aspect.

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posted September 13, 2014 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's a very very interesting composite...still working on it I have a personal way to interpret Yods (well, of course, because I learned a lot from the others hahahaha). It's much more than this, a composite Yod is a major fate marker, plus here we have a very complex structure with a Yod interconnected with a Kite, and the release of both structures is the dance of an opposition, which resembles a tango, IMO (reversed release). I'll think about it more and tell you what I think.

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Well I have aqua stellium and pluto on DSC. So naturally I attract these relationships where two people have intense feelings but do not want to be tie down.

I haven't actually had the relationships yet because when he chased me, I just started running away.

I am also young (22) with a cap venus so I don't have many relationships...

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posted September 13, 2014 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Libran, I usually don't look at composites without the synastry, it doesn't tell me much per se, but let's say this is a composite-challenge I was about to write you my interpretation of your complex figure, but I'm still wondering about that Sun: you see, it's a bit contradictory and mysterious, with such a populated MC and the MC ruler conjunct Sun and Lilith isolated in the 5th.

So I'd like to know:

- do any of you have anything on that Sun?
- could you post the Davison uncorrected? This usually gives me important clues when understanding a more controversial aspect.

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And here's a quick rundown of the most exact conjunctions in natals to composite, and a few not exact but too relevant to leave out:
- Mine:
AC-my Moon(4),
NN-my Psyche, BML, Pallas(0,0,0),
Mercury-my Vertex(1),
Sun-my PoF(2),
DC-my Mars, Chiron(0,0),
Amor-my Ceres(0),
Lust-my Amor(3),
Moon, Juno, Pluto, Uranus-my Osiris, Juno(various,0-4),
Saturn-my AC(3),
Union-my Pluto(1),
Neptune-my Saturn(0)

- His:
Jupiter-his Valentine(0),
Pholus, Chiron, Ceres-his Venus(0,1,2),
BML-his Lust(0),
Eros, Cupido-his Mercury(0,1),
Mars-his DC(1),
Moon, Juno, Pluto, Uranus-his Mars(0,0,1,1),
Saturn-his Neptune(3),
Neptune-his MC, PoF(1,0)

I'm sorry if that's too much of an info dump!

A composite challenge, indeed, you make it sound fun, now I want to do composite challenges.

posted September 13, 2014 06:10 PM            

Quick list of most exact/relevant natal conjunctions:
-Mine:
AC-DC - my IC-MC(2)
Pluto, IC-my Osiris(3)
Uranus-my Juno(0)
Juno-my AC(1)
Psyche-my Vesta(3)
SN-my Union(1)
Sun-my Pluto, Antivertex(2,1)
Neptune-my Saturn(1)
Mars-my Neptune(1)
Saturn-my Venus(1)
NN-my Psyche, BML, Pallas(0,0,0)
Cupido-my Amor(2)

posted September 14, 2014 12:45 PM              

This is how I would interpret that lovely configuration in the Composite:

The Yod is triggered by its apex, by the partnerships itself, and perhaps by him, as he is the Mars conjunct that MC. The Moon rules the 8th house, so 8th house matters (transformation, sex, death etc) are triggering this Yod. The Yod involves a lovely sextile between Jupiter, chart ruler and Psyche - it is either a story related to the Psyche myth (an initiatic journey in order to find true love) or it is a special, spiritual soul connection. The sextile itself is the preparation of any Yod, something in our power, our contribution to the Yod structures, since the trigger is supposed to be an act of fate (the finger of God) If he is the trigger, than maybe you're the one doing the preparation, considering that Psyche is a female symbol (unless a major planet of his conjuncts composite Psyche). The triggering of this Yod involves a movement from the Mc to the IC and the primary result is Venus/Anteros/IC in Pisces: this marvelous Piscean love, especially since Venus rules the house of idealized, platonic love (unless it's unnecessary self-sacrifice and the illusion of the Pisces Venus). The Juno/Moon/Venus opp on MC/IC is triggered, lit, doing a back and forth movement. Moving from MC to IC suggests: moving from an official, outside structure to an intimate, "indoor" structure; the return to the roots; coming home in a spiritual sense; retreat, seclusion; sometimes even secrets; starting a family; abandanoning an official position (like another marriage) or a public, overwhelming job for someone, for love, for a partner, for a couple retreat etc.
Once the Yod is triggered and the planet Venus activated, in turn she will lit the Kite, it's a Water-to-Earth Kite: an emotional/sentimental Kite bringing the need to give the Water GT the structure, the direction conferred by Earth. The final result is a Moon/Juno/MC partnership, fueled by Venus on IC. I'd say the key to the chart, since the Yod is involved is: an already established situation/position (MC) needs to be abandoned for the partnership to reach its full potential (back to MC). A possible interpretation of the config.

posted September 16, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
OK, thanks. That Sun doesn't look very grounded after the comparison with the natals. At least in Davison (the correction is altering Davison to align the angles, BTW, for reasons related to the Davison/Composite comparison, it's an artifice, and I prefer the actual angles)- it's chart of your union in time and space, not as a midpoint between your stellar placements - another look at your union...so, at least in Davison, the Sun is making a tight Earth-to-Water Kite, with Lilith and rulers of houses 6th and 11th - not exactly significant as rulers and Lilith is pushing the wheel here, but at least the Sun is not floating anymore.

This is how I would interpret that lovely configuration in the Composite:

The Yod is triggered by its apex, by the partnerships itself, and perhaps by him, as he is the Mars conjunct that MC. The Moon rules the 8th house, so 8th house matters (transformation, sex, death etc) are triggering this Yod. The Yod involves a lovely sextile between Jupiter, chart ruler and Psyche - it is either a story related to the Psyche myth (an initiatic journey in order to find true love) or it is a special, spiritual soul connection. The sextile itself is the preparation of any Yod, something in our power, our contribution to the Yod structures, since the trigger is supposed to be an act of fate (the finger of God) If he is the trigger, than maybe you're the one doing the preparation, considering that Psyche is a female symbol (unless a major planet of his conjuncts composite Psyche). The triggering of this Yod involves a movement from the Mc to the IC and the primary result is Venus/Anteros/IC in Pisces: this marvelous Piscean love, especially since Venus rules the house of idealized, platonic love (unless it's unnecessary self-sacrifice and the illusion of the Pisces Venus). The Juno/Moon/Venus opp on MC/IC is triggered, lit, doing a back and forth movement. Moving from MC to IC suggests: moving from an official, outside structure to an intimate, "indoor" structure; the return to the roots; coming home in a spiritual sense; retreat, seclusion; sometimes even secrets; starting a family; abandanoning an official position (like another marriage) or a public, overwhelming job for someone, for love, for a partner, for a couple retreat etc.
Once the Yod is triggered and the planet Venus activated, in turn she will lit the Kite, it's a Water-to-Earth Kite: an emotional/sentimental Kite bringing the need to give the Water GT the structure, the direction conferred by Earth. The final result is a Moon/Juno/MC partnership, fueled by Venus on IC. I'd say the key to the chart, since the Yod is involved is: an already established situation/position (MC) needs to be abandoned for the partnership to reach its full potential (back to MC). A possible interpretation of the config.

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Thanks again for giving it a go, I know it's very complex and quite a challenge.

posted July 02, 2018 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE] There is a push-pull dynamic there. I do want him, like I've never wanted anyone else, but I don't, at all. I want him to stay loyal to me forever, but I want him to stay away from me forever. Pretty complicated to sort through emotionally, especially since you really want to stay mature about it. And this is not easy for a pushy Aries Venus like me.

I have never done a full 4th harmonics chart, I might look into learning that. Does astro have it? I've looked but can't find it.

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I found this thread just by searching Venus as the appex planet of a kite...and i wouldn't even post knowing this is a very old thread, but this kite in a composite is almost identical to a kite I have with another person in synastry. For real : ) same planets in the same positions of the kite, only the one I am looking at is shifted into all fire signs with libra for the pluto / moon conjunction. Also, I experience the same feelings you do...it's for a person I've known my whole life, the one that got away so to speak, though we are still in touch and talk about it from time to time. I want him forever, and I want him out of my life forever, but all I can achieve is to have him in my life half way, sometimes...