posted September 14, 2014 02:36 PM            

I have this with a person (not love relationship) in a synastry.

And I had good experiences and conflicts.

Could I know something about the karmic lesson here ?

Me:

ASC Aquarius 1. house - my North Node is there too in the 1. house, but too far for a conjunction.

He:

has his south node exactly in conjunction to my ASC.

HIs North node is exactly on my DESC in Leo.

What can I learn from this ?

Kind Regards

posted September 14, 2014 04:07 PM            

The contact between nodes and angles is a general contact showing an important relationship, but the nature of it is to be determined by the entire synastry.

posted September 15, 2014 10:25 AM            

Ok than I will agree the synastry.

Can I copy ? Or photobucket ?
Or only writing ?

Greets

posted September 15, 2014 10:30 AM            

Go to Photobucket and upload the chart, then copy the IMAGE link they give you (the right side of the page) and paste it here.

posted September 17, 2014 10:15 AM            

aaargh yupeee.

posted September 21, 2014 10:04 AM            

please can you help me with the interpretation of the Nodes and possible karmic lessons/debths ?

I donīt find something clear to SN to ASC.
Only planets.

Thank you .

Greets

posted September 23, 2014 05:20 PM            

NN on DSc is a classical marriage/important relationship aspect. in addition to that, there is a compelling and very binding Fixed Cross formed on the blue angles/red nodes with the blue venus/jupiter opp saturn and the red chiron. This is a very powerful geometrical figure, suggesting a fixed structure in which the blue person creates a steady-stable-immovable configuration for the red nodes: in other words, she is the stabilizing, settling down factor and their destinies are intertwined - something that he may accept at first or not, since his chiron is there, so he may fight it, especially since his influence on the blue nodes is so antagonistic.

Could you show me the composite?

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posted September 24, 2014 09:58 AM            

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the red person's role is to bring major change, revelation, awakening, destructuring for the blue person, in connection to their blue nodes

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Oh yes DESTRUCTURING in an emotional way fits.
Edit: Yes and awakening. He not, but the experience with him give me to reflect and change ideas.

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NN on DSc is a classical marriage/important relationship aspect.

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Itīs platonic.
Edit: I was something like a Mentor. But I learning not with our discussions, but the feeling he brings me up. It was at the begin positive, later negative. The negative was more transforming.

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in addition to that, there is a compelling and very binding Fixed Cross formed on the blue angles/red nodes with the blue venus/jupiter opp saturn and the red chiron.

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aaah, I didnīt see this. :shock: Have to look and read more about this.
Edit: I looked at this. Why I didnīt see this before. A great cross in astrology - yes it fits to me.

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This is a very powerful geometrical figure, suggesting a fixed structure in which the blue person creates a steady-stable-immovable configuration for the red nodes: in other words, she is the stabilizing, settling down factor

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Oh yes iīm "Mum Marla" . Yes Iīm the more calm Person.

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and their destinies are intertwined -

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Oh noooo, why destinies ? *shocking and laughing* Did I have Karma to pay him back or something like this ?

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something that he may accept at first or not

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No not and I hope it stays, that I donīt have more problems with him.

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, since his chiron is there, so he may fight it,

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Oh yeeees. You mean Chiron conjunct my Saturn ? Or better Chiron conjunct the venus,saturn, nodes cross ?
Edit: Aaah, this means it is painful for him ?
Yes we were talking about deeper themes and I was like raise dust in his soul things.

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especially since his influence on the blue nodes is so antagonistic.

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Oh yeees. I look on a diccionary - antagonistic means more enemy-like ?
Or better he brings me in disorder ?
Edit2: Iīm blind. What aspects he have with my blue nodes ? Hm. I will looking another time on the synastry.
Edit3: Were the planets sun, uranus, moon ?
Gives me to learn sudden, emotional, personally things ? Sorry my english and sorry my astrology - I try to guess/interpret.

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Could you show me the composite?

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Yes here comes:

Dear Leo Loo thank you very much

I had looked very detailed and read in books and Internet about all the synastry. But itīs like I was looking for the greater theme or the sense about this.
Or Iīm brooming too much. *hahaha*

Kind regards

posted September 24, 2014 12:34 PM            

And you have a very strong composite in this respect: the T/square between the two teachers: Chiron and Saturn connected to chart ruler conj MC ruler - a relationship with a deffinite purpose related to 8th house issues. 8th house events are unavoidable, but they may push you forward, the semisextile with MC stellium - very powerful, future oriented stellium. Great charts! Yes, this is a fated love, going on for many lifetimes.

I don't believe in karma as being "debt paying" so I can't tell you anything about that.

If you're interested in exploring your synastry in more depth, you may want to take a look at this thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000019.html

I would like to take a closer look at your charts in the format I use and with my asteroids of choice, I can't see much with this type of format and your charts seem very interesting. If you want, email me your birth data and a few words about your relationship. The email is under the forum
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posted September 25, 2014 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The explanation was for his Uranus squaring your nodes.

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Aargh his revenge for my fixed cross *haha*

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About the Fixed cross...not that he had an escape very unlikely with such a cross.

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*haha* Iīm the dictator - he is the revolotionist. I had the image in my head of "crucifying" him with the cross. And he kick me in back - pardon my nodes with his uranus. *haha*

I had a few reflections or better I try to Interpret.

My fixed cross Saturn retrograde 3. house Opposition to Venus retrogade is for me the signification of my problems in the past.

I had communications problems of psychological issues. I was shy and had self esteem problems. I had to learn to open myself, be aware of my feelings and to stay clear with others to my limits. This means that others respects me and how to work out conflicts.
This is my life "cross" - my life homework.

And I did/do give my experiences back in a Support Group. This was the context, when we meet. First about physical illness, then he began to talk about psychological issues/relationship issues.

And "he canīt escape" could be, that I was open, talk straight to him, what I see from his narration. And he didnīt like what I see.

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But at first, sometimes there may be an initial resistance due to Chiron. But Chiron is not only about pain - in fact, I'm still working on understanding Chiron, it's still a mystery to me - it is also about awakening and learning.

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I read that at the beginning Chiron is pain/suffer. And when I learn from Chiron I could be a healer for others.

I have an Interpretation idea - what do you mean ?
I went with my teacher Saturn and talk to him about psychological/feelings issues.
I put the finger in his wound.

He has different problems that I had. He wasntīshy. He is a open/Party like Person.
But in intimate relationsships (love/friends) he had bad experiences, when he opened up.

Than is like we could learn from each other. I a Little bit more lightness. He about deep feelings ???
He with chiron give me a flash-back in times, when I had communication problems. But he was the Person with the problems.
He had problems to express in an emotional way. Lack of sensibility and he is not aware of his own feelings or of others.
He is too mental, too intelectual.

And he Close up. He donīt clear problems or misunderstandings. It was like - oh my God, Iīm running away .
I never had an experience like this in a Support Group. Till now I had good Responses.
And with him I began to doubt about myself. I really can do this right ?

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And you have a very strong composite in this respect: the T/square between the two teachers: Chiron and Saturn connected to chart ruler conj MC ruler

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I read about the T square after your post - sounds interesting.
I noticed I never looked at this things, because I looked at other things.
You mean Chart ruler Uranus ? And MC ruler Jupiter ?
This is for me a learn relationship. We learne from each other. He obviously from me. Iīm reflection about my feelings, he brings me up.

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- a relationship with a deffinite purpose related to 8th house issues. 8th house events are unavoidable, but they may push you forward, the semisextile with MC stellium - very powerful, future oriented stellium.

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Well the definite purpose could be to improve together about our physical illness.
A work in a Support Group. And yes that could be powerful and future oriented. I had the Sensation too, that when we talk in a positve way, we made in an optimistic way. That was the nice Thing about this.

Aaargh you recognize a semi-sextile ? wow I had to learn this...

8 house issues. I really breakup my head, when I saw this. Because this not death on Arrival ?! or sexual Passion or Money ? Then what is it ? Is about Transformation in a Support Group ? Is this the simple answer ?

Or is there more, what I canīt see ? Whatīs your opinion about my Interpretation ?

Yes is unavoidable, because this goes deep an Change. But in a Support Group this is the aim an the idea. But he want my counsel on the one side, at the other side it was too much for him.

I offer to stop this, but he didnīt answer to this. Is like "wash me, but donīt make me wet".

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Great charts! Yes, this is a fated love, going on for many lifetimes.

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Thanks that you like it. But what is great - the transforming aspects or the glue aspects ?

Oh nooo you go through your life inocently and you stumble over your fated love.*hahaha*
Ok serious, possible he was my Little nasty brother in the past.
And I felt, that I had with him to have the Patience of a mother. Because of his closeness.
Where you see the fated love Thing ? It is explained in the link below ?

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I don't believe in karma as being "debt paying" so I can't tell you anything about that.

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Ah ok. To be it would sounds nicer, that Karma is a learning-together-process and not I had to pay you back for this and that.
You see the Karma in the fixed cross or others ? I Thing the link below would explain the Details ?

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If you're interested in exploring your synastry in more depth, you may want to take a look at this thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000019.html

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Thank you very much I will look at this.

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I would like to take a closer look at your charts in the format I use and with my asteroids of choice, I can't see much with this type of format and your charts seem very interesting. If you want, email me your birth data and a few words about your relationship. The email is under the forum
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Thank you very much for your offert. I will send you an E-Mail.

I write above a few things about us and added here the rest. Possible is interesting for other Readers to. To see, how the aspects mean what.

Well it finished, that about his Close but harsh (that was my Problem with him) Kind I was very hurt with the time.
And my offerts to talk open, calm, straight, clear misunderstandings or to say "sorry, let us not fight anymore" didnīt lead to a good result.

He hurts me in a provocative way. Difficult to say, what part is proposal, emotional not awareness, Expression problems.
The contact is finished at this time.

I react very emotional because I had the Sensation to be treated unequable.

posted September 26, 2014 04:08 PM            

Now iīm reading your link and find it very interesting.

The Siamese Thing:
I have mars conjunct Uranus.
He hav venus conjunct Uranus.

Geometrical Patterns - I really didnīt know this things - really very intersting.
I have my fixed cross and complete his t-square ?

And the asteroids:
I found Karma. Karma conjunct his venus - and square my nodes (if I see this right)- oh noooooo....

I will read more.

posted September 28, 2014 07:05 AM            

By fated love (Venus/SN exact in comp) I mean you've met before and you have loved each other before. There are several markers in the charts pointing to strong fate and themes of transformation/healing:

Pluto/Vertex
Chiron/Saturn/Jupiter DW
his Uranus squaring your nodes, and you have Mars/Uranus/POF in the 8th (so hie triggers this theme for you)
strong 8th theme in the comp
saturn near 6th house cusp
Moon (6th ruler) trine Jupiter/Uranus, with Jupiter MC ruler
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posted September 28, 2014 10:01 AM            

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Now that you mention physical illness and support group, both Chiron and the 8th house may in fact be related to that.

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Ok thanks. A simple Explanation. It isnīt necessary to think only in the worst things.

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By fated love (Venus/SN exact in comp) I mean you've met before and you have loved each other before.

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Ok I have to accept this and hope for this live we had meet us enough and the learn lesson is done.

Mean venus/SN always a Partner love relationship or it could be friendship or other kinds of love ?

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There are several markers in the charts pointing to strong fate and themes of transformation/healing:

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Pluto/Vertex

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do you mean the synastry ?

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Chiron/Saturn/Jupiter DW

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Oh yes I saw this later, after our post.
My chiron Opposition to Saturn/Jupiter of him.

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his Uranus squaring your nodes, and you have Mars/Uranus/POF in the 8th (so hie triggers this theme for you)

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What means this exactly ? To be happy I Need to learn through sudden chances ? Or I Need this, that I donīt "Bore" myself in my life ?

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strong 8th theme in the comp
saturn near 6th house cusp
Moon (6th ruler) trine Jupiter/Uranus, with Jupiter MC ruler
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What means the 6 house theme there ? Or you mean the moon Jupiter/Uranus Connection is about learning/healing ?
Well I donīt have nothing against healing. Or better I expect from Transformation, if it seems negative at the first look, for later a positive Transformation/healing.

posted September 28, 2014 10:14 AM            

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The 8th house is also the house of regeneration and recovery.

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Can I Interpret this, that after a Transformation Comes the healing in a positive way ?
O more Basic, after a Transformation we Need take time to Digest the experience ?

Thank you very much LeeLoo you helped understand and help me accept more the interchange with this man.

Kind regards

Marla

posted October 01, 2014 06:52 AM            

hm you mean the past lifes ?
Or now ?

Well, we talk a lot of psychological things.
Basic of self-esteem, comunication and relation-ship issues. There where he has problems.

He remembered me through an emotional way that my problems were now to act.
I was conscious about them, but in an intelectuell way and I was ill too, 2 -3 years and havenīt enough energy.

When I talk with him I talk much about my past to explain things, to give support - that was for me going back to the past and reevaluate for my future.

And my broke up with him, was a transformation process too, because I asked myself, if I had to much patience with him.
And in the interaction whith him and in my whole life had to look more after me and my pending life decisions.

This thread I find yesterday very interesting.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/213582.html

This post the most:

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Found this on a website from Jan Spiller ages ago..
Your Venus Conjuncts Someone's South Node

Since your planet is conjunct the South Node, by becoming independent within yourself in expressing the planet involved, you clear the unhealthy ties that bind you. You then open the door to possibilities for success and fulfillment in those areas which reflect the concerns of the planet.

Since you are the VENUS person: This is an incomplete past-life love connection. You and that person were probably mates, perhaps lovers in a very significant way. Somehow when death came, the love feelings between you were not completed, and the attraction and longing for one another have continued into this lifetime.

This does not necessarily mean that you are to become mates again, but rather that there is something to finish between the two of you so that you can both go on with a fullness of heart. This connection does tend to "hold on" and can be with you this entire lifetime. It may be rooted in the basis of friendship and shared enjoyment, rather than as intimate partners.

You tend to be very permissive of his/her flaws. However, if you overlook his/her liabilities and "go unconscious," you will get hurt in terms of your self-worth. With this contract both of you "recognize" one another.

This aspect between two people always shows a passionate love connection that was unresolved in a past life. Generally, it was a pleasant connection with idealistic expectations for a euphoric future. However, occasionally it does show a tragedy involving hatred and revenge centered around a love object.

For example, here’s one possible scenario: He/She came from wealth and privilege and bought you from your parents for sexual favors. In all cases, they were the perpetrator, and you the victim. If a third person is involved in the intense power struggle between you, it will be you who tries to break apart the bond between the third person and him/her.

Whenever you allow your affection for them to open your heart and be fully vulnerable, somehow they "push you away." If they have a planet conjoining their South Node, in a past life the bond or romance and passion were so strong that a harmful co-dependency was formed, and the ability to love wisely and independently was forfeited.

Now they give you part of yourself back by strengthening your independence in being able to love with a greater vision of what is going on. His/her influence increases your ability to share love with others without losing yourself in the process.

On a mundane level, they are generally not good karma for you in relationships, your appearance, or your finances. Basically, he/she inadvertently gives you bad advice about what romantic choices to make, how to dress, and how to conduct yourself in relationships. Your best bet is to follow your own instincts in these areas and make choices that you feel good about, regardless of their opinion.

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Yes it could be, what you say. And I donīt have to look more or think more about this.

But could the charts signify this ? Because all constellastions sounds so dramatic.

Okay it was/is emotional for me. But really horrible things in my life were quite different. Very more negative....

Kind regards

Marla

posted October 02, 2014 10:31 AM            

I see, I have to read more about Karma astrology.

Because I read in the Internet about dissolve Karma etc. Let the Person etc.
But I think, this ist the perspective in the more negative way ?

I find my Synastry with my father and he has the SN on my descendant.
Different as the man here in the Chart.

Another Thing:
Is this really like NN mean: I will see the Person again in the future/other Life or only we will have learning themes together ?

Hm. Like I said above. I Need a good book to go deeper to understand or make differences between the different interpretations about Karma astrology.

I asked myself if a Person who made past life Regressions can confirm a few things about this etc....

Ok to repeat myself I Need a good book.

Thank you very much for your answers LeeLoo

Marla