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Blind writer
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posted September 17, 2014 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Includes the three Moirai, KLOTHO (97), LACHESIS (120), and ATROPOS (273). Also including MOIRA (638), KARMA (3811), DESTINN (6583), APOPHIS (99942), and AMOR (1221).

Fate, destiny, and that which is flavored with the preordained. The Fates determine where someone will go from day one until the very end.

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So I've been sitting on these for a while, and I think my brain has lost all capacity to properly function.

I'd love some objective viewpoints on these, since I think I'm too close to see with a clear eye. I am a bit overwhelmed at the moment, and I've effectively turned myself into a tizzy. I also sorely need sleep.

Of note, all three Moirai are activated in my chart, whereas MOIRA sits untouched. This is opposed to KD's active MOIRA, but relatively untouched trio [aside from KLOTHO]. This seems to be an indicator that this entire relationship is mostly out of my hands from start to finish (?).

I find it intriguing that KD is a VENUS-KLOTHO, whereas I am a SATURN-ATROPOS. LACHESIS should be a key player for longevity, and lo' and behold, she trines MOIRA and SATURN in the composite, forming a grand trine.


MOIRA : The hand of fate - MARS rules my 3H, and falls into KD's 3H, also conjuncting MOIRA. I was the instigator and aggressive one, an uncharacteristic move.

KLOTHO : Destined beginnings - It was very easy to initiate a relationship. There is a nice trine from my KLOTHO to my SUN, which rules my DC. I'm not the type that's quick to fall, but I had a significant helping hand from KD's VENUS-KLOTHO nudging my VENUS along, and the explosive destroy-my-world push from KD's APOPHIS. KD's VENUS-KLOTHO also conjuncts my ANTIVERTEX for that additional "BAM" factor. Interestingly, with my KLOTHO aspecting KD's APOPHIS, this may contribute to why he cut all ties with his then-gf after only a week of knowing me to pursue a relationship with me instead - a practical stranger.

LACHESIS : Destined to happen - Both my VENUS and KD's VENUS are trine my LACHESIS, so no surprise that this was bound to be a lengthy affair. KD's LACHESIS is in opposition to PLUTO-JUNO, which has its own brand of staying power. My LACHESIS is also in opposition to KD's MOIRA. These oppositions act as a barrier of sorts to true fruition.

ATROPOS : How it's ultimately meant to be - I have a conundrum here, with my SATURN conjunct KD's KARMA-AMOR and trine my own AMOR. With ATROPOS there, I can take it to possibly mean that this can only end at death's door (8H).


Trines:

Squares:


Surprisingly, there isn't very much action with the Fates in the composite, despite the busy synastry.


Outside perspectives? What do you think the Fates are orchestrating here?

Destined to be? Destined to endure? Or destined to end?

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posted September 17, 2014 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BW, the 12 star pattern is impressive indeed!

To give my example, I have Atropos bang on the composite Asc (both at 22.43 Virgo) with someone who is now fading out of my life. We will stay friends, if that, and nothing more. So, pre-destined does not equal permanent.

Since I have a highly fated natal - Moira on Asc (conj his MC), Karma conj Sun (conj his Asc), the synastry appears very fated too.

My Atropos/Lachesis is conjunct his Saturn!!

Methinks, the message for this being a key relationship for my growth and evolvement is merely being underlined here. And now it is time for us to part, as space is needed for other experiences.

BUT, as it's early days, I may yet eat my words.

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posted September 17, 2014 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
... So I've been sitting on these for a while, and I think my brain has lost all capacity to properly function ...

You and me both, sister. These transits are LESS than wonderful.

Or is it just the heat? THAT, too.

Ugh.

Will return when brain offers synaptic firing. The combustion engine in my head is so very dead right now.

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posted September 17, 2014 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting case. I'd love to take a better look at it later, when I have more time, but just off the bat, cAtropos on cNN in H8 is pretty heavy. Striving toward endings in the house where you obsessively don't like to let go is a big lesson to learn. And this is on your Vesta-NN H7 midpoint, if I'm seeing this right, so certainly a complex relationship configuration that you need to absorb. Add cMars on your Venus, that is square the Nodal Axis for you, and what I am seeing is a pretty heavy not-being-able-to-let-go theme. I think this relationship is meant to teach you how to let go, as a life lesson for you. cNN on cAtropos in H8 - compare natal NN square Venus(so challenging lessons on the nature of love will abound in life), and Atropos in H8 on Saturn and Jupiter(letting go-not letting go-outer planets). So the cAtropos will activate your Saturn/Jupiter lesson, by proxy. It's a big girl lesson on life and the limitations of love vs. self-preservation. It's been a long day and I feel like I might be rambling , do you see where I'm going with this?

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posted September 17, 2014 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhh, K.

That boy's not free of this yet. It's just one of those things. We ALL know it. But time there is SO not time here.

Meanwhile, Fate is becoming a recurring figure in my dreamstate. Always completely prosaic. But in realtime, with progressive chronology. And upon waking, the same complicated 'WTF?' feeling. No great revelation. No subconscious sorting through.

Just the bloody damned reminder that I'm never escaping him. Even if it resorts to these several hour sojourns together in some parallel dimension which is oddly pedestrian.

But, hey, we're not fighting. Here, either, actually. He's clearly trying to connect again, and get LACHESIS going again.

But I'm getting a little perplexed at ... having lunch, and playing ping-pong, and hiding behind large planters and other-such things in this mall where we seem to be working. And why, I honestly can't say.

It's not like the other dreams. These are so ... banal. Just being with each other. Simple as that. Maybe he's really directing a lot of energy into it right now.

Because that's not at ALL confusing.

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posted September 18, 2014 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
You and me both, sister. These transits are LESS than wonderful.

Or is it just the heat? THAT, too.

Ugh.

Will return when brain offers synaptic firing. The combustion engine in my head is so very dead right now.


I think it's all of the above + sleep deprivation. The heat's back, the best time to be awake is during the cool nights/early mornings, and uuuugh. Yea.

Not keen on the SATURN shimmying back and forth in my 9H, either.

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posted September 18, 2014 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I think it's all of the above + sleep deprivation. The heat's back, the best time to be awake is during the cool nights/early mornings, and uuuugh. Yea.

Not keen on the SATURN shimmying back and forth in my 9H, either.


Right, because it's moving over your MERC and MOON.

OH WAIT THAT WOULD BE ME. THAT'S GETTING SATURN ALL UP IN HER BUSINESS.

You know I love you.

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posted September 18, 2014 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astro keen:
BW, the 12 star pattern is impressive indeed!

To give my example, I have Atropos bang on the composite Asc (both at 22.43 Virgo) with someone who is now fading out of my life. We will stay friends, if that, and nothing more. So, pre-destined does not equal permanent.

Since I have a highly fated natal - Moira on Asc (conj his MC), Karma conj Sun (conj his Asc), the synastry appears very fated too.

My Atropos/Lachesis is conjunct his Saturn!!

Methinks, the message for this being a key relationship for my growth and evolvement is merely being underlined here. And now it is time for us to part, as space is needed for other experiences.

BUT, as it's early days, I may yet eat my words.


ATROPOS on the composite AC could also mean a relationship was meant to come out of things. But it can also indicate that it was meant to be short-lived. Either way, you were meant to come together in some form or fashion. ATROPOS is the "unavoidable outcome", regardless of what it may be.

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posted September 18, 2014 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! Good to know.

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posted September 18, 2014 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
This is an interesting case. I'd love to take a better look at it later, when I have more time, but just off the bat, cAtropos on cNN in H8 is pretty heavy. Striving toward endings in the house where you obsessively don't like to let go is a big lesson to learn. And this is on your Vesta-NN H7 midpoint, if I'm seeing this right, so certainly a complex relationship configuration that you need to absorb. Add cMars on your Venus, that is square the Nodal Axis for you, and what I am seeing is a pretty heavy not-being-able-to-let-go theme. I think this relationship is meant to teach you how to let go, as a life lesson for you. cNN on cAtropos in H8 - compare natal NN square Venus(so challenging lessons on the nature of love will abound in life), and Atropos in H8 on Saturn and Jupiter(letting go-not letting go-outer planets). So the cAtropos will activate your Saturn/Jupiter lesson, by proxy. It's a big girl lesson on life and the limitations of love vs. self-preservation. It's been a long day and I feel like I might be rambling , do you see where I'm going with this?

Yea, I could use all the help in interpreting this as I can. I appreciate your input.

I've heard composite 8H ATROPOS can mean a "natural" end to a relationship (a clean cut without regrets, or through the death of one or the other), but so far, we've had nothing of the sort. I still feel like LACHESIS is twiddling her thumbs for all she's worth, and then biding her time on top of that. We both feel this can "work"... provided enough time and proximity. Man, does it feel like I've waited an eternity, though.

Composite 8H NN has certainly been felt, as this has been my most transformative relationship. What's frightening about ATROPOS in this case though, is the fact we both share it natally in the 8H. Conjunct SATURN is so morose and morbid, and I honestly do think JUPITER has been my savior, more than once. I mentioned this elsewhere, but there was a long time period (about 3-4 yrs) where KD honestly thought I was dead. That nearly broke him beyond repair due to a guilty conscience, and it's taken a long time for both of us to move past that. It is my opinion that had JUPITER not been there, ruling my SUN, and in a workable sextile, I may have truly fallen to that fate.

Lets just not speculate or dredge up who's responsible for that vile misunderstanding.

Add to that the fortuitous reunion, and there is nothing "normal" about this relationship.

I was checking the Davison, and the NN conjuncts JUNO and ATLANTIS in the 2H. As for "skipped steps", there is a 11H PSYCHE opp 5H URANUS that squares the nodes by about 1°, so fairly tight. URANUS rules 8H and SN. ATROPOS moved to the 1H, and MOIRA is now in the 8H. Though I admit not working with Davison much to really interpret it well. I'm getting really mixed placements, so I think you can understand my confuzzlement.

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posted September 18, 2014 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Right, because it's moving over your MERC and MOON.

OH WAIT THAT WOULD BE ME. THAT'S GETTING SATURN ALL UP IN HER BUSINESS.

You know I love you.


Yea but, my MERC-URA has no "off" switch. Stop telepathing, it's messing with my juju!

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posted September 18, 2014 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ahhh, K.

That boy's not free of this yet. It's just one of those things. We ALL know it. But time there is SO not time here.

Meanwhile, Fate is becoming a recurring figure in my dreamstate. Always completely prosaic. But in realtime, with progressive chronology. And upon waking, the same complicated 'WTF?' feeling. No great revelation. No subconscious sorting through.

Just the bloody damned reminder that I'm never escaping him. Even if it resorts to these several hour sojourns together in some parallel dimension which is oddly pedestrian.

But, hey, we're not fighting. Here, either, actually. He's clearly trying to connect again, and get LACHESIS going again.

But I'm getting a little perplexed at ... having lunch, and playing ping-pong, and hiding behind large planters and other-such things in this mall where we seem to be working. And why, I honestly can't say.

It's not like the other dreams. These are so ... banal. Just being with each other. Simple as that. Maybe he's really directing a lot of energy into it right now.

Because that's not at ALL confusing.


By the way, this amuses me to no ends. Because that's just so - weird. Yea.

As for the rest, there is definitely a sense of the "inevitable", but maaaan. Sigh. Well, you of all people know all the ins and outs and allll the juicy details. Sometimes I feel like I need an astral cattle prod.

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posted September 25, 2014 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump for Fates.

@Auby, this should be of note and worth a look.

KD's drKLOTHO-VENUS conj my nATROPOS-SATURN
KD's drLACHESIS conj my nKARMA-MERCURY
KD's drATROPOS conj his nSUN-MERCURY

As if my natal ATROPOS wasn't severe enough. Cap 12H, I'm on a roll.

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posted September 25, 2014 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Bump for Fates.

@Auby, this should be of note and worth a look.

KD's drKLOTHO-VENUS conj my nATROPOS-SATURN
KD's drLACHESIS conj my nKARMA-MERCURY
KD's drATROPOS conj his nSUN-MERCURY

As if my natal ATROPOS wasn't severe enough. Cap 12H, I'm on a roll.


I'm finally beginning to understand how it all works. Hallelujah!

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posted September 25, 2014 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

I'm finally beginning to understand how it all works. Hallelujah!


That makes one of us, anyway.

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