posted September 28, 2014 12:02 PM            

The second good news is that once you are incarnated, you may review your life plan (which is contained in the birth chart) from a 3D perspective, and you may alter it within the analogies of the design. This is precisely why astrology came into being in the first place: the Chaldean priests assessed the celestial phenomena and gave advice to the king how to utilise or circumvent them. There was no talk about divine providence or predestination - instead, the aim was to understand the signs and make the best of the situation. An interesting phenomenon occurs after difficult or heavily karmic lives. If it is warranted by the new life-plan, the soul will incarnate in one of the alternative realities represented by fixed stars. These are higher dimensional, non-corporeal worlds with special gifts, talents, and healing properties. The key celestial areas have a similar impact, and at the same time they are always linked to deep karmic dilemmas.

Philip Sedgewick writes extensively about the Super Galactic Centre (M-87) on his website, stating that it is linked to “supermassive” hunger, a very interesting concept if we consider it from a karmic viewpoint. It provides the native with the feeling that “nothing is ever enough”, which creates some sort of physical, emotional, or spiritual black hole. There is a very similar concept in karmic astrology: Judy Hall calls Venus-Pluto aspects “emotional black holes3”. Even the trine tends to manifest as a deep seated fear that love will run out and that fatal deprivation is inevitable. The Super Galactic Centre usually works first on the physical level and triggers desires to amass material possessions. This, however, quickly runs out and is transformed into either an emotional or a spiritual quest for more, and that is when the gifts of the SGC start to manifest. “Once integrated, those directly involved with Super Galactic Centre become directly involved as a central force of healing in the lives of unimaginable numbers of people,” Sedgewick remarks. I have been using these areas in my karmic readings and have also written about them (please see HERE). To quote myself, “When the SGC is prominent, the native has the urge to excel, to pass a limit, or to reach for the stars. This inner need can be so strong that it consumes him unless fulfilled. At worst, it becomes a desperate, insatiable hunger, and at best, a profound driving force in life. The consumption of energy, power, knowledge, relationships, or material goods continues until finally the person realizes that no one and nothing can ever negate the empty void inside, nothing that exists on the physical plane can successfully fill it. Whatever the SGC sucks in like a giant vacuum cleaner is dissected and completely transmuted. The SGC acts like an alembic, a cosmic womb where base material is transmuted into gold. In case the SGC is prominent, the native usually has an exceptionally intense personality. It doesn’t matter where (which life sphere) it manifests, it completely dominates the life of the person connected to it.”

Discovered on March 31, 2005, Makemake is an Outer Kupier Belt object with an orbital period of 309 years. Named after a creation and fertility god of the South Pacific island of Rapa Nui (Easter Island), it is linked to UFO phenomena, space travel, and alien cultures, but most importantly it indicates soul fragmentation and the need to heal it. If prominent, it describes difficult past life events where soul loss occurred, and carries the potential to recover soul splinters and soul fragments. It is currently transiting at Libra 0°46, tightly aligned with the SGC. It moved into Libra on October 20, and it will be popping in and out of the sign, staying in late Virgo or early Libra all throughout 2014 and 2015.

Makemake Aligned with the SGC

The alignment of Makemake with the SGC produces a once in a lifetime opportunity to do deep level soul-work because these two celestial bodies are very much related in themes. In transcendental karmic astrology, asteroids are linked to the personal karmic level; centaurs (TNOs, SDOs, etc., that is, Kuiper Belt objects) describe the nature of the karmic wounds; and fixed stars denote the higher dimensional alternative worlds where healing can be achieved. Since all three key celestial areas are more than just mere stars - they are enormous clusters of galaxies with supermassive black holes at their centre - they are even more relevant in eliminating or transforming karmic wounds. How is this possible? We must remember that black holes warp both time and space. Karma, as a linear cause and effect concept, only exists on the Earth plane; that is why it is so hard to get rid of it down here, and that’s why we need to enlist the power of fixed stars, galaxies, and black holes whenever we can.

As the main significator of soul loss and soul fragmentation, it is essential to understand and to heal these issues when Makemake is prominent in a natal chart. On the other hand, the supermassive black hole at the SGC represents a profound healing energy. As Philippe Sedgewick further elaborates, “This black hole asks that you perceive your own energy and fuse it with your physical-cellular structure. This is soul mating. The Super-Galactic Center maintains the greatest implication of soul retrieval of any point in the Universe. It demands that you get back in there and deal with yourself in an essential manner. It is essential that you do so. It is also unavoidable. It will happen. The only question is when?” Well, looking at the astrology, I can tell you that the when is right now.

I have been keeping an eye on the zodiacal degree of Libra 1°, not just because my Moon is conjunct it, but because recently I have done quite a few regressions and soul retrievals for clients and friends in whose charts either Makemake or the SGC feature very prominently, and it occurred to me to start watching it more closely to see what conjuncts it, so I did. Since the Super Galactic Centre is a major celestial phenomenon, I give it a larger orb than in the case of the fixed stars because I have repeatedly seen it work. A 2° orb is still going to yield important results, but the tighter the placement the more pressing the issue. Makemake’s ingress occurred in October, and it was accompanied by a number of asteroids: Achilles (fatal vulnerability), Hekate (deep feminine wisdom), Ceres (the nurturing principle), Eros (the divine creative force of physical desire), Hazard (the concept of taking risks), Vesta (the focusing principle), and Helio (brilliance). In November, it was conjunct Vesta, Tantalus (eternal punishment), Agamemnon (masculine pride), Ariadne (bliss), Memoria (remembrance), and Ceres. And in December, Mars joins it on the 7th to give the conjunction a kick full of energy and determination. For about a week, you can truly achieve soul retrieval and soul healing, especially if you are determined to do it and if you find the necessary helpers. It is also important to note that another slow orbiting centaur, Logos (creation through words and ideas), is also very close by. It has been transiting the final degrees of Virgo all year, but never actually reaching Libra, and it will be doing the same in 2014, finally entering Libra on October 14. Once it does, the compulsion to achieve soul retrieval will become very conscious and pronounced.

I will continue to watch the transits to the SGC-Makemake alignment and will keep you posted how the patterns shift, but it is important to remember that the portal will be staying open until the end of 2015.

posted September 28, 2014 12:32 PM            

He does carry with him that supermassive hunger and feeling of "nothing is never good enough." Even when we had a business together and we were doing well he carried that is not good enough energy always; it was never enough.

I try to show him that it is enough..that we have each other and that is enough. EDIT; I have sun conjunct SCG and I can see I have been on journey for quite some time to learn lessons connected to the SCG as well.

This describes my husband so WELL!: "The Super Galactic Centre usually works first on the physical level and triggers desires to amass material possessions. This, however, quickly runs out and is transformed into either an emotional or a spiritual quest for more, and that is when the gifts of the SGC start to manifest. “Once integrated, those directly involved with Super Galactic Centre become directly involved as a central force of healing in the lives of unimaginable numbers of people,” Sedgewick remarks. I have been using these areas in my karmic readings and have also written about them (please see HERE). To quote myself, “When the SGC is prominent, the native has the urge to excel, to pass a limit, or to reach for the stars. This inner need can be so strong that it consumes him unless fulfilled. At worst, it becomes a desperate, insatiable hunger, and at best, a profound driving force in life. The consumption of energy, power, knowledge, relationships, or material goods continues until finally the person realizes that no one and nothing can ever negate the empty void inside, nothing that exists on the physical plane can successfully fill it. Whatever the SGC sucks in like a giant vacuum cleaner is dissected and completely transmuted. The SGC acts like an alembic, a cosmic womb where base material is transmuted into gold. In case the SGC is prominent, the native usually has an exceptionally intense personality. It doesn’t matter where (which life sphere) it manifests, it completely dominates the life of the person connected to it.”"

But he is stuck in the huger part still...

ADD:

My mom has Saturn in Libra at 2 20 semisextilig my Saturn in Scorpio at 2 39.

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My makemake is in leo at 28 35 2 and semisextiles my Sun and conjuncts Regulus.

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"Karma needs to be understood, acknowledged, and it needs to be either resolved or dismissed. Karma accumulates when you feed it with energy; if you stop feeding it (that is, you cease to foment the hate, the pain, the guilt, or any other negative emotion), it usually dissolves by itself."

Theodore Twombly: No. Don't do this. You don't turn this around on me. You're the one that's being selfish. We're in a relationship.

Samantha: But the heart is not like a box that gets filled up. It expands in size the more you love. I'm different from you. This doesn't make me love you any less. It actually makes me love you more.

Theodore Twombly: That doesn't make any sense. You are mine or you are not mine?

posted September 28, 2014 01:00 PM            

My husband has moon in cancer and saturn in libra 1 11.

My ex has moon in pisces and saturn in libra at 6 and his JUPITER in libra close to 4 degrees both falling in his 1st house. I have moon in pisces and sun in virgo at 28 degrees so its like the SGC is the midpoint between my sun and his saturn or my sun and his jupiter.

I feel this applies to both of them and to me in relation to my ex and our break up perhaps bc the SGC is the midpoint bt my sun and his saturn or jupiter.

posted September 28, 2014 03:01 PM              

The bf had Jupiter (0.3 Libra) conjunct SGC conj my Spirit. He wasn't the needy one in the relationship, it anyone was, it was me. Again can't see the black hole theory applying here. However, he does set vey high standards for himself work wise. In fact, we both do. But that is a common trait for many people.

Any ideas what Jupiter conj SGC might indicate - keeping in mind that the orb for him (given his DOB) is about 1 degree.

According to iQ, the SGC is more of a portal to different dimensions. A planet on the SGC is a star seed aspect.

posted September 28, 2014 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I only have SPIRIT conjunct SGC. I can't see how Spirit here might indicate neediness.

The bf had Jupiter (0.3 Libra) conjunct SGC conj my Spirit. He wasn't the needy one in the relationship, it anyone was, it was me. Again can't see the black hole theory applying here. However, he does set vey high standards for himself work wise. In fact, we both do. But that is a common trait for many people.

Any ideas what Jupiter conj SGC might indicate - keeping in mind that the orb for him (given his DOB) is about 1 degree.

According to iQ, the SGC is more of a portal to different dimensions. A planet on the SGC is a star seed aspect.

See this for more on starseeds and links to the SGC: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000014.html

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posted September 28, 2014 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I dont know if you read all the information above or not but saying that Philip Sedgwick feels the SGC makes someone needy over simplifies tremendously what he is trying to say this black hole is about imo.

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Half the text or the start makes anyone think it's nothing but a "negative" thing, or that he's possibly run into someone with that and not been able to deal with it.

"Once one executes the interactive black hole dive, the attention placed upon the relationship seems never-ending, saturated and overwhelming," may or may not apply from some angles/perspectives though, but is it anybody else's "fault" if they can't deliver "enough"? Wasn't the right person then either, maybe. Things end. Isn't that what black holes are there for, the end of some things after they've been exhausted and all (good?) has been gained from them?

I have IC at 2.36 Libra and tons of asteroids on the degree, some on 1, which I assume may have been even closer at the time I was born. And yes, whatever the above or possible relations to anything, I do use the words devour or absorb relatively much.

It's a natural response at my end, to want to absorb as much information as possible about whatever interest or whatever you happen to focus on. If it looks like devouring information or looking ravenous, maybe it does then. I love the part when you do have something new to absorb, too. But if there is something you want to find out about and the information is there and available to you, why would you want to wait and pace it for the next twenty years, if even five years from now there may be tons more information to further devour or absorb again likewise? Why not find out as much as possible now or as soon as possible since or as you can, if it's all there? That the source of the info may need to replenish with new information at times or after a while is natural, but why would you want to keep yourself from having everything there if it's possible to get it all, too?

It may not work out entirely healthily on relationship or other fronts, but if talking about information, I'd far prefer to devour or absorb whatever possible as fast as possible, to know what I want to. If there is a comparison to black hole behaviour and as said, it's about gaining what is good about something for yourself and then there being a natural end to things through everything good having been gained already, what's the problem again? Things end, as said.

I don't know if endings on the whole are more painful than to some due to the intensity of the relationships, since I've more so walked alone (since possible?), and it's difficult to say if whatever pain of relationships ending badly, or ending, is bigger or smaller than somebody else's pain. How do you compare your anguish when it's subjective? Oh, woe, surely I suffereth more than you, and your suffering be-eth nothing compared to my bottomless anguish?

I've never seen the point of rebound anything, so see that clashing against anything I'd be for sure. The rest at least might hold true or work from some angles, rebound behaviour seems weird if the point is to get ENOUGH.

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The following is in relation to the healing part of:
"... the ZS contactee does recreational things alone - and consciously choosing to do so. This offsets the tendency to establish rejection oriented isolation themes. So, she/he goes to movies no one else wants to see. Enjoying dinners at unusual restaurants by oneself also fits the bill. Walks in nature alone assist the process. Finally, intimate experiences with the self fill out the agenda."

The topic is a little weird to me since have all my life done nothing but move alone when possible to, far preferring going to movies alone than with someone else possibly compromising what I want out of it (full immersion and focus?). I don't know if it's visible that even that has the element of absorbing or devouring everything possible out of something, but of course it's there. Why would you do anything, if not to get what you can out of something? Why would you choose to settle for less than what is possible to gain/get/absorb? In some things you probably do since it's life, but if you know you can get more out of something by doing something a certain way, why not go for it if possible?

If intimate experiences with the self amount to admiring the nature around you or taking in as much as possible of sunsets, stars, all the beauty available or around, or smelling roses or flowers in the shops because it gives you a bit more of something again, then okay. As it seems to me however, the (regrettable?) SGC-IC devourer, my intimate experiences with nature are just the same as any other experience. The intent is to get as much as possible out from the experiences, whether others would call that living fully or in the moment or whatever else. I smell flowers in shops often, since roses may not be around me otherwise and it adds to my life, but if it's seen from a SGC-IC perspective as seen in the light of the article here, all I'm doing is ravenously drawing in another experience or MORE something that I want to me.

So I'm not really sure how anything outside, whether I'd do it alone or not, necessarily does what he suggests time alone does for an SGC-person. It's my IC, the core or base of everything I am if you like, so presumably it's the essence of how I am in some way. I'm sure the text fully illustrates how I'd fit his patterns, but I'm not entirely sure how it'd be bad to want to glean everything possible out of everything. There's a whole world out there to glean from, that's not going to run out, at least if talking most of human existence. Why would it be that bad if you wanted to "suck" it to you and take it in? Serial absorbing perhaps, since sooner or later all things end or the next thing is more "shiny", but have you looked at the world? Who wouldn't want to take in the moments of it, what is beautiful or worth wanting in it?

posted September 28, 2014 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by DOLPHIN:
... consider that there must be a future life between these two people that will occur with a positive relationship. Sure, it may be in a trillion years from now and on some planet you seen in a sci-fi movie, but it'll happen. Imagine then, the qualities of emotional and spiritual understanding that results when total acceptance and healing has occurred. Feel it? Good. Make it cellular. Conduct self fusion again. Now take that awareness and overlay it in the lifetime just preceding the one where these two really mucked it up in a past life. With that complete, the negative results of the questionable lifetime cease to exist. That, from a pure physics standpoint, is correct. The healing seals the relationship and it is now free to go forward without any more pain.

Any addictive behavior can be resolved with ZS by totally indulging the nature of one's spirit. The soul retrieval process alleviates addictive leanings. First, one clears out the hurt and negative social/emotional/nurturing memories bearing negative sensation.

This releasing exercise, if done devoutly, will produce a notable change in the relationship released in a relatively short period of time, typically days. Constant participation with this visualization remains critical through the time of transition from a significant relationship.

The next step looms as a big one. It is that of teacher or healer. As teacher, the task before you stands as one of revealing other concurrent realities and pointing out the absurdity of the bonding to the current mind set. As healer, one literally and figuratively draws negative energy from another person.
The healer then must purge his/her own system. Sometimes this process is extremely intense, but it goes with the territory.
Disconnection and release must now happen.

A remaining important point to the ZS healing model observes: Clear first, bond after.
Creating empty, hollow, free inner space opens the door for receptivity.
Savor the hollow. Honor the space.

This mate just drops into life with remarkable ease. The ZS ego knows that with the soul intact, he/she can relate with anyone of like spirit without the demand that this person be the one and only.

Potent, powerful pushes toward clear self-allowing Universal Reality results. Imagine what you would be if you were all that you really are.

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But that's precisely what you're after, anyway. As said above, why would you want the "lesser" option if you know that the "more" is available and possible to get? I love the "Savour the hollow" but isn't the point more so to recognize whatever inner hollow space/s and go "Oh, hi, yeah, I didn't notice you around at first. Was kind of busy reading that book there, sorry. What were you saying again? Or do you mind if we not talk much and just go on with this wonderful thing instead?" You being the you you are, yourself, the self, whatever. I'm not sure you'd need to make hollows as seemingly suggested, instead of just stopping to walk with your nose in that book and notice where you are already in any case. Although the book here is probably his other people or clearing out other stuff first. I just don't make SRS BZNS metaphors since don't see why you'd need to instead of it just happening or being however things are at some stage, anyway.

And then you sit and take in more sunsets, I guess, so not sure how much taking in "wonders" or beauty of the world stops even if sitting somewhere as more "whole" or something. A slight shift, yes, relating from a more equal setting or footing perhaps, so maybe that's what the original "needy" ties to.

I also don't know how or why any of that wasn't what people do (or are "supposed to" do?) in any case, if people. Isn't everybody around to be what they are, or the whole or full version?

posted September 29, 2014 09:56 AM            

I will try this one more time, hopefully it will make more sense.

1. Mother has saturn in libra at 2 degrees
2. Husband Saturn in libra at 1 11
3. Ex has Jupiter in libra at 3 degrees conjunct his saturn in libra at 6 degrees.

All have intense personalities and all three are never single for very long and are serial monogamists.

1. My mother was a workaholic most of her life who tried to feed that void with work and then become super spiritual and obsessed with religion.

2. My ex by now has probably had about 50 cars in his life bc he changes them several times a year. I have never met anyone who changes cars like he does. He is trying to fill a void with these cars.

3. My husband with saturn in libra in the 5th wants to have his own business stemming from something he has created himself and is completely consumed by this and his happiness depends on it; this is all he thinks about. In addition he never feels secure enough; we had a lot of money at some point and it was never enough.

OK now let me copy and paste a summery I posted above about the SGC and how this journey often starts with trying to fill a void with material things and at some point there is a shift. I would say that people who have the SGC prominent in their chart have a hidden treasure similar to intercepted cusps/signs that at some point flourish:

"The Super Galactic Centre usually works first on the physical level and triggers desires to amass material possessions. This, however, quickly runs out and is transformed into either an emotional or a spiritual quest for more, and that is when the gifts of the SGC start to manifest. “Once integrated, those directly involved with Super Galactic Centre become directly involved as a central force of healing in the lives of unimaginable numbers of people,” Sedgewick remarks. I have been using these areas in my karmic readings and have also written about them (please see HERE). To quote myself, “When the SGC is prominent, the native has the urge to excel, to pass a limit, or to reach for the stars. This inner need can be so strong that it consumes him unless fulfilled. At worst, it becomes a desperate, insatiable hunger, and at best, a profound driving force in life. The consumption of energy, power, knowledge, relationships, or material goods continues until finally the person realizes that no one and nothing can ever negate the empty void inside, nothing that exists on the physical plane can successfully fill it. Whatever the SGC sucks in like a giant vacuum cleaner is dissected and completely transmuted. The SGC acts like an alembic, a cosmic womb where base material is transmuted into gold. In case the SGC is prominent, the native usually has an exceptionally intense personality. It doesn’t matter where (which life sphere) it manifests, it completely dominates the life of the person connected to it.”

I always felt I dated guys that were like my mother and now I know why they all have the SGC prominent in their chart.

posted September 29, 2014 12:16 PM              

Thanks for posting the key meaning. It does extend the "needy' concept greatly.

Incidentally, for those who subscribe to the SGC/starseed connection, the quest for great things, hunger, intensity -call it what you will - could very well also apply there. A starseed is born with a quest, so to speak, above and beyond the norm.

posted September 29, 2014 02:01 PM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

"The Super Galactic Centre usually works first on the physical level and triggers desires to amass material possessions. This, however, quickly runs out and is transformed into either an emotional or a spiritual quest for more, and that is when the gifts of the SGC start to manifest. “Once integrated, those directly involved with Super Galactic Centre become directly involved as a central force of healing in the lives of unimaginable numbers of people,” Sedgewick remarks.

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posted November 29, 2014 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Davy333:
Does anyone know what its listed under at astro.com. I cannot seem to find it? Super Galactic Center? m87?

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posted November 29, 2014 01:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Davy333:
Does anyone know what its listed under at astro.com. I cannot seem to find it? Super Galactic Center? m87?

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posted November 29, 2014 02:34 AM            

Super galactic center is the center of the super cluster of galaxy in which the Milky Way belongs to. It's located at 2Lib03'33".

These points moves very slow... You don't need to add them into your charts - they are pretty much fixed points in the sky.

posted March 01, 2018 09:20 AM            

Saturn-Juno conjunction on SGC in natal - what would this indicate please?