posted October 05, 2014 08:18 AM            

So why not starting with the natal progressions and then proceed to the synastric ones?

I thought I`d use as an example a former celebrity couple, Jude Law and Sienna Miller (yes, you can roll your eyes. ). However, though I really don`t think they were a dream couple (well, with all the cheating and other stuff, more like what my nightmares would be made of. lol), but they were sort of publicly supervised, which makes them good guinea pigs for progressions in relationships, with all the on-and-off-things and the public knowledge about when those markposts in their connection were (at least approximately).

Before having a look at their progressions for

december 2004: engagement
november 2006: first real break up
december 2009: second attempt at a relationship
february 2011: second break up

I just want to point out some of their natal synastry, which is kinda intense with the outer planets especially.

There is not much in terms of planetary geometry.

However they do have:

(1) an isolated superposition-square.
Her Sun-Mars-square overlaying his Sun-Pluto/MC-square from 4-7 Libra and Capricorn

(2) a minor talent triangle of
her Venus trine his Pluto and MC, and sextile his Neptune

While the Venus-Pluto trine has a wider orb than I usually feel comfortable with for an outer planet (4°18), the trine of her Venus to his MC is 0°25, so quite exact, so I think it is valid.
Also her Venus/Mars-mp is on 7°11 Sagittarius conjunct his Venus/Mars-mp on 6°02 Sagittarius and his Neptune on 6°08 Sagittarius.

Well I can vouch from own experience that a guy`s Neptune on Venus/Mars-mp is attractive, at least to me. Of course it is still Neptune. LOL
Well Mr Sag`s Neptune is on my Venus/Mars-mp, but then Neptune is a personal planet for him as it is his chartruler.
For us the orb is even more exact. Just 11 minutes of orb.

Anyway, that Neptune in relation to the relationship planets Venus and Mars, can definitely go both ways. soulmate or grand delusion? Maybe both? Or neither? Noone really knows with Neptune.
Will it glamourize and paint fairy dust and put a spell on two people, bound by that one? Or will it simply cruelly dissolve any kind of chemistry there might be?
Maybe doing both?

But whatever it is, it is - at least initially- a potent attraction factor in terms of creating intrigue and some sort of subtle magnetism.

Of course in Jude`s and Sienna`s case it was even more potent, as her presence just emphasized what was already there in his own chart. the Neptune = Venus/Mars, which has all sort of nasty interpreations attached to it. lol

In natal it seems to be rather awesome in terms of the arts or creativity, but really not so great in terms of committed relationships. Emphasis on: committed. lol
(if you`re in love with love itself, temptation lurks everywhere I guess. I don`t have that natal midpoint myself, so I can only guess. And to be honest in Mr Law`s case it might be a little more than emphasised because of it is closeness to the ASC)

They also have a T-square of

his Avx on 24 Cap
her SN on 22 Cap
(his Jupiter and NN on 17 Cap,
her Mercury on 17 Cap)

his Vx on 24 Cancer
her NN on 22 Cap

her SAturn on 21 Libra
his Uranus on 22 Libra

plus;#

his Pluto conjunct her Mars 1°17
his PLuto square her Sun 2°29
his Sun conjunct her Sun 0°45

his Venus conjunct her Juno 0°21

his Mercury conjunct her BML 0°00*

his Moon conjunct her Pluto 1°19
his Vertex square her pluto 2°10

his Mars conjunct her Uranus 3°29
his Juno conjunct her Uranus 0°27

I told you, a lot of outer planets stuff. lol

oh and his Sun sextiles her Jupiter at a little over 2 degrees.

I also find it interesting how her Saurn squares his NN and his Uranus squares her NN, though the Saturn-NN is REALLY wide for a nodal aspect.
And it also will not play a role in terms of progressions as the nodes are moving backwards from 16 Cap and her Saturn moves onwards from 21 Libra.

but that is it for the basic natal synastry of these two.

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* Mercury is his DESC-ruler
her bt is unfortunately unknown

posted October 05, 2014 09:43 AM            

December 2004
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his natal progressions
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p Sun conjunct p Mercury 0°59 s

p Moon conjunct p Mars 2°31 s (exact in autumn 04)

p Venus conjunct p Jupiter 1°23 a
p Venus square p Uranus 0°01 s

p ASC conjunct n Sun 1°04a

p Moon conjunct n n Mercury 3°03 s (exact in autumn 2004)

p Mars conjunct n Mercury 0°22 s

p Jupiter conjunct n Avx 0°10 s

p Saturn opposite n Venus 0°46 s

p Juno conjunct n Venus 1°38 a

p BML conjunct n Juno 1°28 s

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the dominating progression for him seems to have been the p Venus- p/n Uranus-square which was just peaking, when he proposed to her.
along with it comes the applying conjunction of p Venus and p Jupiter.
I mention this one cause I have seen it surprisingly often in the progressions (either individual or synastric) with my parents, friends and brother and his girlfriend as well. At least often enough to keep an eye on this one.

however, the thing they also had in common was that Jupiter was ruling an angle (ASC or DESC, including traditional rulership) for at least one of the partners, and this is true in this case as well, as Jude has an SagittariusASC (and a Sag-Venus, which gives him a Venus-Jupiter-resonance anyway, and his Venus is on the exact antiscion and parallel Jupiter).

So, IF Venus-Jupiter is something to at least have an eye on in progressions, it might be that this is the case particularly for people for whom Jupiter is an angle ruler.

Nevertheless the Venus-Uranus-square is quite telling I think. And not too promising in terms of marriage. lol

In the autumn before that proposal his p Moon was triggering his p Mars and n Mercury which were conjunct. This was also important, as Mercury rules his DESC.

In the year before leading up to this p Sun was also conjunct his natal DESC-ruler Mercury.

her progressions
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p Sun conjunct p Venus 1°11 a

p Sun and p Venus possibly conjunct n Moon (if she was born close to noon at least)

p Jupiter square n Venus 0°09a

p Saturn square n NN 0°16 a
p Juno conjunct n BML 0°15 a

She was having the Sun-Venus-progression and interestingly a JupiterVenus-progression as well

synastric progressions (his planets first)

p Moon conjunct p Neptune (exact in february 2005)

p Venus conjunct p SN 0.37s

p BML conjunct p Uranus 0.05 a

p ASC conjunct n Sun 0.19a
p ASC square n Mars 0.53 s

p Sun conjunct n Venus 1°30 s

p Mars conjunct n BML 0.22 s

p Juno conjunct n Juno 1.27 a
- a slow one, would take untl 2010 or 2011 to perfect

n ASC conjunct p BML 1.03a

I think the most telling here are the Sun-ASC and Sun-Venus progression.

The Sun-Venus-progression was already clearly separating, but would have been just past its peak, when they met and started dating.

posted October 05, 2014 09:59 AM            

his progressions

p Moon conjunct p NN 0.36 a
p Venus conjunct p Jupiter 0.22 s
p ASC conj. n Sun 0.48s

p Moon conjunct n NN 0.42 a
p Moon conjunct n Jupiter 1.02a

p Saturn opposite n Venus 0.43 a

p Juno conjunct n Venus 1.09a
p Juno opposite p Saturn 1.52a
p BML conjunct n Juno 0.40a

So when they separated his nice progressions of Venus-Jupiter and Sun-ASC were just separating.

There is nothing really left what could be seen as relationship progression.

The Saturn-Venus one, while could have also acted as strengthening commitment, seems to be a breaking-apart-one here, especially with Juno being in the brew as well, though this would become even more acute over time, and is actually his "natal promise" of the Venus-Saturn-opposition along the ASC-DESC-line.

Now interestingly his p Moon triggering Jupiter-NN seems like he felt rather good about the separation afterwards. I get almost the feel of "breathe of relief" with this one.

her progressions

p Sun conjunct p Venus 1.54 s

p Sun conjunct n Moon possibly and separating

p Moon conjunct n Sun possibly
p Moon square n Mars possibly (applying)

p Jupiter square n Venus at its peak 0.00, or just after the peak

p Saturn square n NN 0.14 a

p Juno conjunct n BML 0.20s

Now her love-progression was gone by that time.

though ther was possibly a Moon-Sun-progression, one separating and a temporary one applying (Wasn`t she with some other actor afte rthat, a married one? )

the Jupiter-Venus one, was running out of steam apparently as well. while the Saturn-NN was getting really acute (Saturn-NN CAN be a lot of glue, however if there is nothing to be glued together anymore, it often acts as agent of the break as well, and a painful one at that).

Juno-BML is interesting, it permeates their progressions a lot. the facing off of the woman vs the other woman-archetype. It seems she has been on both sides, and possibly even in her relationship with Jude.

she was possibly having a p Moon square n Mars.

I did not expect this (like I did not expect the Venus-Jupiter to be that frequent), but I have seen that interstingly often so far in times of a break up or some break in a relationship. Like some sort of truth erupts and either you can deal with it or you move on. Not sure yet. But it just surprised me to see it come up yet again (usually as square or opposition)

synastrically

p Moon square p Mars 1°30 s
(last straw the months before?)

p Venus square p Pluto 1.30a

p ASC conjunct n Sun 1.33 s

p Sun conjunct n Venus 3.25 s
- clearly separating by now

p Moon conjunct n Mercury 1.05a

p Moon square n Saturn 5.08a - would be exact 5 months later

p Venus square n Pluto 1.12 a

p Saturn opposite n Venus 0.54 a

p Juno conjunct n Juno 0.58 a

n Moon square p Venus 2.22 a

n Venus sextile p Mars 1.35 s

posted October 05, 2014 10:16 AM            

his progressions

p Moon conjunct p Sun 10 degrees separating (tracing back to february 2009, so maybe not of any relevance to Sienna lol)

p Moon conjunct p Avx 2 s (october 09, which was when they met again I think)
p Moon sextile p Mars 1 s

p Moon trine n Moon 2.01 a

p Venus sextile n Mars 0.19 s

p Saturn opposite n Venus .39 a

p Juno conjunct n Venus 0.20 a

p BML onjunct n Juno 0.15 s

the Saturn-Venus one was like a looming shadow cast overy pretty much everything happening in his progressions, as it just has been there all these recent years.

I don`t think he really had all that strong relationship-progressions that year, except for that temporary Moon-Sun-conjunction in spring that year; maybe he was seeing her already then?
No clue, I wasn`t there. lol WEll as a matter of fact I WAS there, but you know what I mean.

Apart from that the Moon-Vertex and Juno-Venus progressions seem the strongest one in terms of possible affairs/ relationships. However he was having Juno-Venus applying before as well and it did not stop him from separating. Though of course by now it was under a degree applying, maybe that strengthened it.

her progressions:

she was also having a p Sun p Moon - possibly, separating, if her bt is at noon, it would have been exact in may 09.
Which might have coincided with that other affair I vaguely remember.

p Sun conjunct n Venus 3.18 a
so she would have another love progression. which would peak in march 2013 and had just come into one degree orb applying, when she was giving birth, so I suppose it had nothing to do with Jude at all.

p Sun trine n Mars 0.17a
p Sun square n Jupiter 0.11a

p Jupiter square n Venus 0.17s

p BML conjunct n Juno 0.19a

synastric

p Sunpossibly conjunct p Moon
p sun trine p Mars 0.13 a

p Moon trine p Pluto 1.30a

p Mercury conjunct p Mercury 1.55

p Saturn opposite p BML 1.09a

p Juno conjunct p BML 0.10

p Venus conjunct p Venus 0.52 s

p Mars conjunct n Neptun e 0.35 a

p SAturn opposite n Juno 0.50 a
p Juno conjunct n Juno 0.09a
p BML conjunct n Uranus 0.12 a

n Moon square p Venus 0.32 a

n Venus conjunct p ML 0.30 a

p Mars sextile p Venus 0.33 s

the strongest I see here is a Venus-Venus-conjunction, which was already separating by this time.

The interesting thing is that while Jude`s Venus is in direct motion, hers changed direction and passed his p Venus on her way back through Capricorn.

In fact this happend just a few degrees before his Venus would enter Aquarius.

posted October 05, 2014 10:26 AM            

his progressons

p Moon square p Saturn 3.42 a (exact around may that year)

p Moon square p Neptune 0.52 s
- a lot of delusional thinking?

his p Venus had just entered 00 Aquarius a few months before

p Saturn opposite p Juno 0.42 a

p Moon square n ASC 0.17 s

n Saturn opposite n Venus 0.38 a

p Juno conjunct n Venus 0.04 a

p BML conjunct n neptune 0.01 a

her prgoressions

p Venus suqare p Pluto 0.55a

p Sun conjunct n Venus 2.11 a
p Sun trine n Mars 0.50 s

p Jupiter square n Venus 0.23 s

p SAturn squre n NN 0.11 a

synastric

p Sun conjunct p Mercury 0.01 a

p Venus conjunct p Venus 2.53
by then out of orb

p Jupiter conjunct p Venus 1.49a
p Jupiter square p Pluto 0.54 a

p NN square p Mars 0.47 a

n Moon square p Venus 0.06 s
(again a 4th harmonic aspect of Moon to Venus or Mars at the time of separation. Why? Just a coincidence?)

n Moon conjunct p Pluto 1.01a

n Venus conjunct p BML 3.45 s
far out of orb, I suppose the compulsive Venus-Lilith-magnetism was gone by then

n Venus extile p Mars 2.46 s
also the Venus-Mars sextile was clearly out of range by that time. It wasn`t a conj, oposition or trine to begin with, but even the supportive sextile had faded then

n Mars sextile p Venus 1.11 s

Well what is left?
Nothing I would see....., just

as of now

her p BML conjunct his n Sun 0.09a

his p Venus conjunct her n Venus 3.25 a
his p Venus trine her n Mars 0.23 a

lol

posted October 05, 2014 12:05 PM            

quote:

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p Sun conjunct n Venus 1°30 s

The Sun-Venus-progression was already clearly separating, but would have been just past its peak, when they met and started dating.

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It's amazing again yes. The ALFIE project (where they met) started in Aug. 2003.
They started dating (according the press) late 2003. Mid august 2003 the pSun/nVenus was still applying by 0'10.

So, when that was clearly separating in 2005;

Wiki source,

quote:

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While making the film Alfie in late 2003, Law and co-star Sienna Miller began a relationship, becoming engaged on Christmas Day 2004.[83] On 8 July 2005, Law issued a public apology to Miller for having an affair with the nanny of his children.[84] It was also reported at the time that Miller had been having an affair with Daniel Craig.[85] Miller and Law separated in November 2006.[86]

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posted October 05, 2014 01:23 PM            

Not at all connected to his' planets but ALL to HERS (sienna);

(july 2005)

Sienna;
- pSun 0'54 Aqua
- pVenus 1'08 Aqua (retro)

Nanny;
- pVenus 0'42 Aqua
- nVenus 0'10 aqua (retro)

Nanny's Venus ^ applying conjunct to Sienna's pVenus AND pSun!!

posted October 05, 2014 01:30 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Orange:
interesting!

how was their progressed Composite at the time of their first break up?

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their composite had:

pr Jupiter conjunct pr Neptune 0°24 s
pr Juno conjunct pr Jupiter 0°27 a
pr Juno conjunct pr Neptune 0°03a
pr Jupiter trine pr Saturn 1.05a
pr Neptune trine pr Saturn 1.29a
pr Juno trine pr Saturn 1°33 a

pr Mars square pr Saturn 0°29 s

and from progressed to natal composite

pr Mars square n Saturn 0°05 s

if her bt really was around noon, their pr Juno-Jupiter-Neptune would have fallen upon their composite Moon-Neptune

their pr Moon would have been near to their Sun-Venus as well, under the condition that she was born at noon

pr Moon 9°37 Cap
Sun 7°15 Cap
Venus 10°53 Cap

(well no matter when she was born, somewhen this year Moon WAS progressing over both, Sun and Venus, and a few months later would have squared Pluto on 15 LIbra)

posted October 05, 2014 01:31 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mir:
It's amazing again yes. The ALFIE project (where they met) started in Aug. 2003.
They started dating (according the press) late 2003. Mid august 2003 the pSun/nVenus was still applying by 0'10.

.[86]

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posted October 05, 2014 01:35 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mir:
Lol.. look at the progressions with NANNY ^.

Not at all connected to his' planets but ALL to HERS (sienna);

(july 2005)

Sienna;
- pSun 0'54 Aqua
- pVenus 1'08 Aqua (retro)

Nanny;
- pVenus 0'42 Aqua

Nanny's Venus ^ applying conjunct to Sienna's pVenus AND pSun!!

Nice nanny!

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LOL

How did youknow the nanny`s birthdate?
Well, I wonder if some temporary progression would appear in relation to Jude`s chart as well.

Anyway I found it interesting that while Sienna was having the Sun-Venus-progression individually, Jude`s chart did not link to that Sun-Venus-progression, as it was her p Venus that was conjunct her p Sun, and his chart did not touch this one.

However, his p Sun did conjunct her n Venus, so they were having a Sun-Venus progression, just not to the one that was conjunct in her own chart. Do you understand what I mean?

Of course they were already on the descent, at that time quite possibly.

posted October 05, 2014 01:36 PM            

quote:

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Sienna;
- pSun 0'54 Aqua
- pVenus 1'08 Aqua (retro)

Nanny;
- pVenus 0'42 Aqua
- nVenus 0'10 aqua (retro)

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posted October 05, 2014 01:48 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mir:
I added Nanny's natal Venus;

I have NO idea about "their" connection... but it's amazing!

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Well, as I just read Sienna apparently said she was going to kill her, should she meet her in a dark alley. (but then we all know how magazines like to rip words out of context. lol)

As for Jude and the nanny, I just scanned and did not see anything there really, which makes sense as it was just a fling.

However what i did see is this:

his p Sun 10.30 Aqua
her n Sun 9.12 Aqua
her n BML 11.26 Aqua

(that pesky BML again. lol)

plus:

her p Venus 00.34 Aqua
her p Mars 01.15 Gemini

his n Mars 29.01 Scorpio
his n Juno 02.03 Sag
his p BML 03°13 Sag (retrograde)

Mars-Mars-opposition
Mars-Juno-opposition
Mars-BML-opposition

posted October 05, 2014 02:25 PM            

quote:

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Well, as I just read Sienna apparently said she was going to kill her, should she meet her in a dark alley. (but then we all know how magazines like to rip words out of context. lol)

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LOL~!

I suspect her pMoon applying to his nVenus also. We don't know her TOB but taken from 12 NOON it was exactly opp. his nVenus in july-2005 (= the end phase of their fling affair)

AND...

posted October 05, 2014 03:19 PM            

quote:

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Anyway I found it interesting that while Sienna was having the Sun-Venus-progression individually, Jude`s chart did not link to that Sun-Venus-progression, as it was her p Venus that was conjunct her p Sun, and his chart did not touch this one.

However, his p Sun did conjunct her n Venus, so they were having a Sun-Venus progression, just not to the one that was conjunct in her own chart. Do you understand what I mean?

Of course they were already on the descent, at that time quite possibly

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Yess, it all started between them during an exact pSun/nVenus conjunction but her personal Sun/Venus conjunction was at that time still appl. by 3 deg. And during their engagement it was applying by 1 deg. And the closer her own Sun/Venus became and the further their pSun/nVenus separated.. the more they were drifting apart. As indeed, there was nothing connected to his planets.

In December 2009, it was reported that Law and Miller had rekindled their relationship.. and at that time there was a separating Venus/Venus conjunction by 0'45.

posted October 05, 2014 03:48 PM            

^ that rekindlement happened ofcourse earlier in their private life I assume.[/B][/QUOTE]

I assume so, too.
Actually I remember having seen that progression back then and - jokingly- told a friend the timeframe when they would break up again, based on that progression fizzling out. It was meant as a joke, but I had the date down to a few weeks.

posted October 05, 2014 03:58 PM            

For 2011:
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his p Venus conjunct my p Sun 1°54
- it is one hellish long one,

his P Mercury conjunct my p Mercury 1°03
his p MErcury conjunct my p Venus 0°49jos

his p Moon conjunct my p Jupiter 0°49 a
his p Saturn conjunct my p Moon 1°03a
his p Juno opposite my p Moon 0°29 a

his p Sun conjunct my n Moon 0°10a
his p Moon conjunct my n Juno 0°10a
his p Mars conjunct my n Sun 0°22a

his n Sun conjunct my p ASC 0°09
- right on my n Venus; funny enough his natal Sun is conjunct my natal Venus, while his p Venus is conjunct my p Sun. lol-

his n Venus opposite my p Moon 0°23 a
his n Mars square my p BML 0°21 s

and for last year, new years eve

his p DESC conjunct my p Moon 0°42 a
his p Venus conjunct my p Sun 1°20 a
his p Avx cojunct my p Venus 1°42a
his p Sunc onjunct my p Avx 3°01 a

his p DESC conjunct my n Saturn 0°52 a
his n Jupiter opposite my p Moon 0°19a
his n SN conjunct my p Moon 0°01s
his n Pluto opposite my p Juno 0°13 a

Checking our synastry, even the proressed one, is always fun.

posted October 05, 2014 04:14 PM            

So I was checking the synastry for this time, just because I obviously have much too much time on my hand tonight.

soooooo

his p Venus 11°26 Aquarius
my p Sun 11°26 Aquarius
my p BML 10°41 Aquarius
my p Moon 12°09 Libra

Apart from that one

his p NN 16°17 Capricorn
his n Jupiter 17°10 Capricorn
my p ASC 16°22 Capricorn
my n Saturn 16°57 Cancer

his p Sun 25°05 Aquarius
my p Mercury 25°13 Aquarius

his p Avx 1°15 Virgo
my p Venus 2°07 Pisces
my p Uranus 2°27 Scorpio
his p Mars 1°10 Cap
his p BML 2°17 Cap

his p DESC 22°50 Cancer
my n Vertex 21°34 Cancer

my p Mars 7°27 Capricorn
my n Venus 6°07 Capricorn
his p Sun 7°38 Capricorn

my p Vertex 26°49 Leo
his n BML 27°14 Scorpio

posted October 06, 2014 05:10 AM            

Actually I forgot to mention, not only will my p ASC be conjunct his p and n NN, but my p NN is still, though separating, conjunct his n ASC (1°40s). Of course we have the natal conjunction (orb: 0°29)

I also noticed that my pr Sun eventually will happen to conjunct my natal Moon, and was curious abou that.

Turns out this will happen in march/ april 2025.

At that time not only will my pr Sun be conjunct my n Moon with 0°00 orb, but my pr Moon will be conjunct my n Sun with 0°25 applying).

This looks like an interesting spring, possibly.

Mercury has just turned retograde then ( I think in 2018) and is applying again to the pr Sun and my natal Moon, of course I already had that. Well interesting I had the exact conjunction of pr Mercury and natal Moon, when I was first meeting Mr Sag, and then the year later saw Mr Law on stage for the first time.

Anyway in 2019, pr Mercury is still far away from my natal Moon (3°58 a)

Venus will be on 9 Pisces and entering 2 degree orb of conjunct my natal Jupiter and sextile pr Mars (both 2 degrees applying).

I tend to pay attention to Mercury and Jupiter in progressions, cause they rule my DESC and ASC.

This pr Venus will also be squaring and then moving on from the square to my Neptune-NN-conjunction.
And after that it will trine pr Saturn, while being on the midpoint between natal Jupiter and natal Juno (a few years after that of course).

The pr NN has come into the one degree orb of applying to conjunction to my natal ASC (0°46 a).

What I was talking about, well in may 2029 pr Mercury will be one degree off my natal Moon, separating, but what I find interesting is that these month it will be joined by pr Moon exactly, which then will of course apply to exact conjunction with n Moon, while Mercury separates.

At that time pr Venus will be exactly sextile pr Mars and trine pr Saturn.
Of course that means that there is a nasty pr Mars-Saturn-opposition, but at that point in time it will be separating.

and pr Venus will be separating from a conjunction to n Jupiter and applying to conjunct n Juno.