posted October 06, 2014 06:41 AM            

I would look at your planets/asteroids on their mdps and viceversa (1 deg max, 1.30 if something extraordinary is going on in there).

Look at the Cross (conjunctions, oppositions and squares) on that mdp.

In a natal chart, we can identify romantic mdps (falling in love mdps), marital mdps, erotic mdps and all the others activating the other parts of one's being.

Taking them one by one, and seeing what they signify, a story emerges, it's all written in there.

I would start with identifying personalized mdps:

5th/8th ruler mdp
5th/7th ruler mdp
7th/8th ruler mdp
three midpoints making a profile of someone you may fall deeply in love with, be strongly attracted to and want as a partner

NN/7th ruler mdp
Juno/7th ruler mdp
Juno/NN mdp
potential midpoints of your destined partner

Venus/5th ruler
strong romantic mdp

2nd/8th ruler mdp
I suspect this may show very strong physical overwhelming attraction, but it remains to be established

These are just a few examples, I will compile them categories together with you

What other midpoints do you suggest as romantic, marital, erotic or otherwise?

EDIT: for your midpoints, check "Ebertin style with midpoints", the pdf

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posted October 06, 2014 06:47 AM            

For my part, I'd suggest the following mdps.:

- sun/moon
- moon/venus
- mars/venus
- sun/venus
- venus/pluto
- mars/pluto

posted October 06, 2014 07:06 AM            

Moon/Pluto - deep scary emotional stuff

Moon/Jupiter - feeeling good and comfortable and comforted and possibly a lot of laughter

Sun/Jupiter - no romantic, but supportive, encouraging, another laughter-combo

Venus/Jupiter - the feelgood romantic stuff, no, no heathcliff-Cathy-combo, but there is a lot of joy to be had with this one

Venus/Uranus - electricity abounds, oh the tingles, the spark, the excitement. may not last, but as long as it does, niiiice

Venus/Neptune - the romantic "You are my soulmate" stuff - however while it could be your soulmate, it could also be the greatest delusion ever. But as long as the dreamy mist wafts around you itm ight simply feel magical

Also if we say sun/Venus, we also have to say Moon/Mars: primal heat, sometimes a little too volatile maybe

posted October 06, 2014 07:34 AM            

Great additions, ladies

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posted October 06, 2014 07:47 AM            

I would only count the cross for now.

posted October 06, 2014 08:02 AM            

For example, someone's Venus/5th ruler on 11 Pisces and you having several planets/asteroids on 11 in several signs, creating multiple aspects to that mdp. This could be interesting, if it's the exact degree.

So maybe we should look at those as well.

posted October 06, 2014 08:12 AM            

my 5th/8th ruler are the same, Mercury

5th/8th ruler mdp
Mercury 11 Libra

5th/7th ruler mdp = 8th/7th ruler mdp
Mercury/Moon 13 Virgo
Mercury/Sun 0.48 Libra

Technically, if you want me, you gotta touch those buttons hahahaha

He has nothing on the 11th degree in his chart.

He has Juno on 13 Aqua - quincunx (I suspect quincunxes have a trigger value, yes)

He has Jupiter at 0.50 Pisces (another quincunx) and perhaps his ASC on 28-29 Virgo is not badly placed.

But I don't see a direct, straightforward activation as it happens with 4th aspects.

posted October 06, 2014 08:32 AM            

5th/8th ruler mdp
Mars/Uranus 17 Leo
Mars/Saturn 17 Gem
very interesting

what do I have on 17?
Saturn 17 Cancer
Karma 17 Gem (direct)
MC 17 Scorpio (direct)
my Moon on 15 Leo a bit too far, but maybe it works??

Ceri, what is your opinion on a Moon being 2 deg away from a major mdp, should it count?

5th/7th ruler mdp
Uranus/Neptune 18 Scorpio
Saturn/Neptune 19 Virgo
my MC (direct)
my ASC 19 Cap
my Sun 20 Virgo (direct)

Uranus/Jupiter 29 Sag
Saturn/Jupiter 29 Aries
my Mars 0 Libra (direct)
my Priapus 0 Virgo (direct)
my Lust 0 Scorp

7th/8th ruler mdp
Neptune/Mars 8 Pisces
my Pholus 8 Pisces (direct)
my Venus 6 Virgo is probably too far

Jupiter/Mars 19 Aries
my ASC 19 Cap (direct)
my Sun 20 Virgo

posted October 06, 2014 08:41 AM            

Mine
- sun/moon 2.33 Virgo - his Jupiter 0.58 Pisces (I usually consider up to 2 for Sun/Moon mdp), still a bit wide EDIT: actually, it's not wide, it's good, 1.33; his Lust 2.33 Libra lol, Valentine 2.56 Libra, his POF 3 Aqua

- moon/venus 25 Leo (my Vertex) his Vertex 25 Pisces, his Union 24 Leo, his NN 24 Sag

- mars/venus 18.26 Virgo his Chiron 18.41 Aries

- sun/venus 13 Virgo (my Aphrodite) his Juno 13 Aqua

- venus/pluto 21 Virgo (my Sun) his Sun 21 Pisces, his Eros 20.37 Aqua

- mars/pluto 3 Libra, his Lust/Valentine

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posted October 06, 2014 08:46 AM            

I need to go shopping now but I def will come back.

But I can already say, from the top of my head, the last 2 guys who were into me:
- his venus/juno = my sun/asc
- his sun/moon= my sun/asc (but my asc was nearer to his sun/moon
- my moon/venus = his moon

posted October 06, 2014 08:51 AM            

- sun/moon 19.06 Cap my ASC 19.16 Cap lol my Sun 20 Virgo

- moon/venus 27 Sag, my Uranus 26 Libra, my Amor 28 Leo

- mars/venus 7.35 Aries my Pluto 6 Libra, my Neptune 7 Gem, my Pholus 8 Pisces

- sun/venus 29.44 Aqua, my Mars 0 Libra my Priapus 0 Virgo
my Lust 0 Scorp

- venus/pluto 6.47 Sag, my Venus 6.20 Virgo, and the whole cross (my Eros, Neptune, Pholus, Ceres, and my Pluto 6 Libra)

- mars/pluto 6. 39 Leo - all my 6-7 placements

Not bad, don't you think??

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posted October 06, 2014 08:52 AM            

Well, with Mr Sag and me midpoint action is surprisingly meh, boring, not much there.

His ASC = nothing

His MC = My Lilith/Uranus (Black Moon)

his Moon =
my pluto/Juno 0.38
m Lilith/Uranus 1.20

his Mercury =
my Lilith/ Juno 1.36

his Venus =
my Moon/VEnus 0.42
m 8th( 5th ruler (which are Moon and Venus)
my Lilith/Sun 1.21

his Mars, Jupiter, and so on: nothing

his Uranus =
my Venus/Pluto 0.48
(also represents my 5th and 11th house)
my Moon/Lilith 0.33

his Neptune (chartruler)=
my Venus/Mars 0.11

his Pluto =
my Sun/Moon 0.07
my 7th/ 8th ruler 0.19

his NN = my Moon/Juno 0.50

his Vertex =
my Lilith/ URanus 1.17

his Lilith=
my Saturn/Pluto 0.12
my Moon/Jupiter 0.56

posted October 06, 2014 08:54 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Wow, LeeLoo. No wonder, he's that into you

I need to go shopping now but I def will come back.

But I can already say, from the top of my head, the last 2 guys who were into me:
- his venus/juno = my sun/asc
- his sun/moon= my sun/asc (but my asc was nearer to his sun/moon
- my moon/venus = his moon

Do angles conj to someone's midp also count?

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Ahhhh have a great shopping spree and have fun!

Take a look at the midpoints I activate for him when you come back and tell me what you think.

I think mdps involving angles must be very potent, because they are extremely personalized.

posted October 06, 2014 08:59 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
For him:

- sun/moon 19.06 Cap my ASC 19.16 Cap lol my Sun 20 Virgo

- moon/venus 27 Sag, my Uranus 26 Libra, my Amor 28 Leo

- mars/venus 7.35 Aries my Pluto 6 Libra, my Neptune 7 Gem, my Pholus 8 Pisces

- sun/venus 29.44 Aqua, my Mars 0 Libra my Priapus 0 Virgo
my Lust 0 Scorp

- venus/pluto 6.47 Sag, my Venus 6.20 Virgo, and the whole cross (my Eros, Neptune, Pholus, Ceres, and my Pluto 6 Libra)

- mars/pluto 6. 39 Leo - all my 6-7 placements

Not bad, don't you think??

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Not bad?! Absolutely great!

posted October 06, 2014 09:00 AM            

my ASC = *
his Venus/Pluto 1°33

Venus rules his 7th and 2nd house, Pluto his 8th, so this means it is also

his 7th/ 8th ruler
his 2nd/ 8th ruler

my Neptune =
his Venus/Pluto 1.17
his 7th/ 8th
his 2nd/ 8th

my NN =
his Venus/Pluto 1.30
his 7th/ 8th
his 2nd/ 8th

my MC =
his Juno/ 7th ruler 1.34

my Sun =
his Venus/Uranus 1.17
his Lilith / Pluto 1.12
his Sun/ Moon 1.52

(the Sun/Moon one is a bit wide, but it is luminaries, plus my Sun is conjunct his Moon and Sun anyway)

my Moon =
his 7th / 8th ruler 1°43

this is wide, but it is his Mercury/Pluto, which is conjunct my Mercury/Pluto and in fact one component of our Bear Hug, so I counted it, plus for me Moon=Mercury/Pluto is the tightest natal midpoing

also

my Moon=
his Venus/Jupiter 0.56
his Venus/Mars 1.24
(counted it as Jupiter and Mars are conj. in his chart by one degree)

his 7th / 1st ruler (Ve-Ma)
his Jupiter / juno 1.48
yeah, quite wide I know, but I liked it. lol

my Mercury =
his Venus/Uranus 0.24
his Lilith / Pluto 0.14

my Venus
doesn`t really do anything except conjunct his Venus/Neptune-mp by 2°04, which is really too wide.

However natally m Venus is squaring Pluto,

and my Pluto=
his Venus/Neptune 0°53
(Venus is his intercepted 7th ruler, Neptune rules his ASC, too)

his Saturn/Pluto 0°05

my Mars =
his Lilith/Mars 0.31

my Vertex=
his NN/7th ruler 1°12

EDIT:
It means his Venus/Pluto-mp on 8°33 Sag is caught in between my ASC on 7°06 Sag and my Neptune (9°56 Sag) and NN (10°12 Sag).

the midpoint of his natural Apogee/Perigee (Lilith and Priapus) is on 10°02 Sagittarius, too, close to the natural Lilith in our composite which is on 8°37 Sag, and that again leads back to his natal Venus/Pluto-mp. So it seems like this area is a bit loaded.

posted October 06, 2014 09:07 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
in midpoint astrolog only hard aspects are being considered, as these have eventcharacter and can result in manifestation, while the harmonious ones are more or less nice conditions but do not activate events.

Well, with Mr Sag and me midpoint action is surprisingly meh, boring, not much there.

His ASC = nothing

His MC = My Lilith/Uranus (Black Moon)

his Moon =
my pluto/Juno 0.38
m Lilith/Uranus 1.20

his Mercury =
my Lilith/ Juno 1.36

his Venus =
my Moon/VEnus 0.42
m 8th( 5th ruler (which are Moon and Venus)
my Lilith/Sun 1.21

his Mars, Jupiter, and so on: nothing

his Uranus =
my Venus/Pluto 0.48
(also represents my 5th and 11th house)
my Moon/Lilith 0.33

his Neptune (chartruler)=
my Venus/Mars 0.11

his Pluto =
my Sun/Moon 0.07
my 7th/ 8th ruler 0.19

his NN = my Moon/Juno 0.50

his Vertex =
my Lilith/ URanus 1.17

his Lilith=
my Saturn/Pluto 0.12
my Moon/Jupiter 0.56

his Juno=
my Moon/Venus 1.02
(and hence 5th/ 8th ruler)
my Sun/Lilith 0.23
my NN/Juno 0.56

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What do you mean??

his Venus =
my Moon/VEnus 0.42
his Uranus =
my Venus/Pluto 0.48
his Neptune (chartruler)=
my Venus/Mars 0.11
his Pluto =
my Sun/Moon 0.07
my 7th/ 8th ruler 0.19
his NN = my Moon/Juno 0.50
his Juno=
my Moon/Venus 1.02
(and hence 5th/ 8th ruler)
my Sun/Lilith 0.23
my NN/Juno 0.56

I find these very strong!
You don't feel them?

What does his Pluto rule?

posted October 06, 2014 09:09 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
For him:

- sun/moon 19.06 Cap my ASC 19.16 Cap lol my Sun 20 Virgo

- moon/venus 27 Sag, my Uranus 26 Libra, my Amor 28 Leo

- mars/venus 7.35 Aries my Pluto 6 Libra, my Neptune 7 Gem, my Pholus 8 Pisces

- sun/venus 29.44 Aqua, my Mars 0 Libra my Priapus 0 Virgo
my Lust 0 Scorp

- venus/pluto 6.47 Sag, my Venus 6.20 Virgo, and the whole cross (my Eros, Neptune, Pholus, Ceres, and my Pluto 6 Libra)

- mars/pluto 6. 39 Leo - all my 6-7 placements

Not bad, don't you think??

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Just the hard aspects alone are HOT. I mean for real.

Pluto= Venus/mars and
Sun= Sun/Moon

how nice to have grand passion AND that soul completeness

posted October 06, 2014 09:34 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
from his perspective

my ASC = *
his Venus/Pluto 1°33

Venus rules his 7th and 2nd house, Pluto his 8th, so this means it is also

his 7th/ 8th ruler
his 2nd/ 8th ruler

my Neptune =
his Venus/Pluto 1.17
his 7th/ 8th
his 2nd/ 8th

my NN =
his Venus/Pluto 1.30
his 7th/ 8th
his 2nd/ 8th

my MC =
his Juno/ 7th ruler 1.34

my Sun =
his Venus/Uranus 1.17
his Lilith / Pluto 1.12
his Sun/ Moon 1.52

(the Sun/Moon one is a bit wide, but it is luminaries, plus my Sun is conjunct his Moon and Sun anyway)

my Moon =
his 7th / 8th ruler 1°43

this is wide, but it is his Mercury/Pluto, which is conjunct my Mercury/Pluto and in fact one component of our Bear Hug, so I counted it, plus for me Moon=Mercury/Pluto is the tightest natal midpoing

also

my Moon=
his Venus/Jupiter 0.56
his Venus/Mars 1.24
(counted it as Jupiter and Mars are conj. in his chart by one degree)

his 7th / 1st ruler (Ve-Ma)
his Jupiter / juno 1.48
yeah, quite wide I know, but I liked it. lol

my Mercury =
his Venus/Uranus 0.24
his Lilith / Pluto 0.14

my Venus
doesn`t really do anything except conjunct his Venus/Neptune-mp by 2°04, which is really too wide.

However natally m Venus is squaring Pluto,

and my Pluto=
his Venus/Neptune 0°53
(Venus is his intercepted 7th ruler, Neptune rules his ASC, too)

his Saturn/Pluto 0°05

my Mars =
his Lilith/Mars 0.31

my Vertex=
his NN/7th ruler 1°12

EDIT:
It means his Venus/Pluto-mp on 8°33 Sag is caught in between my ASC on 7°06 Sag and my Neptune (9°56 Sag) and NN (10°12 Sag).

the midpoint of his natural Apogee/Perigee (Lilith and Priapus) is on 10°02 Sagittarius, too, close to the natural Lilith in our composite which is on 8°37 Sag, and that again leads back to his natal Venus/Pluto-mp. So it seems like this area is a bit loaded.

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Wow you activate his rulers a lot, both with your Sun and Moon!

my ASC = *
his Venus/Pluto 1°33

Venus rules his 7th and 2nd house, Pluto his 8th, so this means it is also

his 7th/ 8th ruler
his 2nd/ 8th ruler

I think he should be VERY attracted to you, in a physical, but deep way with this one

with Pluto ruling his 8th

and there are many others showing he is very attracted to your femininity, to you as a woman

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posted October 06, 2014 09:37 AM            

But Saturn/Neptune? Saturn/NN? Can I have something less, I donīt know, depressing?

"is Venus =
my Moon/VEnus 0.42"
Yes, I certainly feel that one.
Not just in terms of creating affection in me, probably that is also the case, but about becoming aware of my overall femininity. Just by the way he is looking at me. It`s kinda different than others did, even at a time, when I was REALLY closed up and unapproachable.
I wonder if the planet person might feel the aspect as well.
I mean Moon/Venus-mp for a woman could be the sum of what her feminity is. At least it would sense to me, I can identify quite a lot with that degree and its Sabian, too.

"Pilgrims Climbing The Steep Steps Leading To A Mountain Shrine"

I am kinda a work in progress. lol

"his Uranus =
my Venus/Pluto 0.48"
Yeah, but wh Uranus? Why not something more personal?
I mean it probably is important to have this mp triggered, as i have the natal square. his Uranus is a little too wide for a semisquare to my Venus (2°16) but certainly semisquares my Pluto (0°40).
Funny enough his Uranus ending up at the spot in my chart where my Venus/pluto-pattern "implodes", and it does not sound as if Uranus is mellowing it down. lol

On the other hand I am putting my Neptune, NN and ASC on his Venus/Pluto-mp, and they are also square in his natal, though even wider than mine.

my Neptune is exactly semisquare his Venus (0°58), my NN is semisquare his Venus, to (0°45). but not to his pluto.
however my ASC is semisquare his Pluto (0°43), and so is my Mars semisquare his Pluto (1°12)

I am not sure what to make out of thta combo, but it looks worth to spend a thought or two on.

"What does his Pluto rule?"
8th house (and sits in his 7th house).

Interestingly our composite Mars-Amor-Cupido-Camelot-NN-conjunction falls onto his natal Pluto as well.

orbs for the conjunctions to his Pluto are:

c-Mars: 1°45
c-NN: 0°37
c-Amor: 0°47
c-Cupido: 0°36
c-Camelot: 1°22

Of course my Chiron lies at the other end opposing his Pluto by 1°21 and conj. c-SN by 0°42.

The image I had with that was as if his Pluto is pulling at the nodal-line in direction of the NN and the asteroids there, into the future, and I am fighting that pull and pulling into the other direction, down, or putting up considerable resistance, almost like clinging to the memory or pain or painful experiences in the past (Chiron is natally in my 4th house as well, which has a lot to do with past things, and in composite sitting on the SN).

Somehow it does not seem so surprising anymore that our composite features an exact conjunction of Chiron and ATropos (which also opposes c-Union as well as both oure natal Unions, as they are exact conjunct).

It is where I definitely have to go though, with my n Uranus on the c-Union - that is where the new land, where the future, the progression lies for me.
While interesting enough his natal Vesta conjoins the composite Chiron-Atropos.

Actually in the othre charts, like Draco chart, it seems always to be HIS Chiron, that is being hit the most. in fact his Draco Chiron is on 8 Sagittarius, so we come full circle to his VEnus/Pluto, Lilith/Priapus midpoint, on my ASC-NN. lol

Whatever we might be for each other int his life, we cant avoid the vulnerability I suppose.

As a matter of fact

our mixed Pluto/Chiron-mps are conjunct each other, in the composite the Pluto/Chiron-mp is on 22°31 Cancer, opposing composite Moon by 0°38.

posted October 06, 2014 09:40 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Just the hard aspects alone are HOT. I mean for real.

Pluto= Venus/mars and
Sun= Sun/Moon

how nice to have grand passion AND that soul completeness

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yes, they are quite nice, thanks.

Another interesting thing to check: midpoint clustering on Sun/Moon mdp.

Checking what his mdps falling on my Sun/Moon mdp are and viceversa. If something activates this integrative point for me (like a transit or his planet or my planet), we can see what my "integration" relates to in his chart.

For this, I check the cross:

my Sun/Moon mdp 2.33 Virgo, I check the mdps he has on the Mutable cross in his chart, on this particular point

his Sun/Moon mdp 19 Cap (my ASC) I check the mdps I have on the Cardinal cross in my chart, on 18-20.

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posted October 06, 2014 10:14 AM            

his Vesta/ Ceres 20°01 Aries
(precise on my Chiron by one minute )

his NN/Mercury (r7) 20°22 Libra

his Neptune / Pallas 22°23 Cap

his Chiron / Ceres 23°19 Aries

his Sun/Moon on 27°48 Sag
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my DESC / Saturn 27°01 Gemini

my Pluto / Juno 28°01 Sag

my Mercury (r7) /Vesta 28°12 Sag

my Vertex/Mars 28°22 Virgo

my saturn/Neptune 28°27 Virgo

my Saturn/NN 28°33 Virgo

my Sun/Vesta 28°39 Sagittarius

posted October 06, 2014 10:19 AM            

his MC / Mercury (r7) 18°57 Sag
his Moon/Mercury (r5/r7) 19°01 Sag
his NN/Ceres 19°12 Gemini
his Vx/Jupiter 19°26 Virgo

posted October 06, 2014 10:49 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I would add

Moon/Pluto - deep scary emotional stuff

Moon/Jupiter - feeeling good and comfortable and comforted and possibly a lot of laughter

Sun/Jupiter - no romantic, but supportive, encouraging, another laughter-combo

Venus/Jupiter - the feelgood romantic stuff, no, no heathcliff-Cathy-combo, but there is a lot of joy to be had with this one

Venus/Uranus - electricity abounds, oh the tingles, the spark, the excitement. may not last, but as long as it does, niiiice

Venus/Neptune - the romantic "You are my soulmate" stuff - however while it could be your soulmate, it could also be the greatest delusion ever. But as long as the dreamy mist wafts around you itm ight simply feel magical

Also if we say sun/Venus, we also have to say Moon/Mars: primal heat, sometimes a little too volatile maybe

oh and Venus/Mercury for a little flirtative vibe

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Interesting! Perhaps venus/AC midpoint for attraction?