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Lotis White
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posted May 28, 2012 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FOR ANYONE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT LOCATING THE ‘SECONDARY DSC’…

Here’s a list of the house cusps to look to as an extension of your DSC for each rising sign. These house cusps are symbolically linked to the sign on your DSC… showing what other traits you are attracted to in others, apart from just what the DSC alone shows.

Aries rising, Libra DSC… The 7th house has double importance.

Taurus rising, Scorpio DSC… look to the 8th house.

Gemini rising, Sagittarius DSC… look to the 9th house

Cancer rising, Capricorn DSC… look to the 10 house

Leo rising, Aquarius DSC… look to the 11th house

Virgo rising, Pisces DSC…look to the 12th house

Libra rising, Aries DSC… look to the 1st house

Scorpio rising, Taurus DSC… look to the 2nd house

Sagittarius rising, Gemini DSC… look to the 3rd house

Capricorn rising, Cancer DSC… look to the 4th house

Aquarius rising, Leo DSC… look to the 5th house

Pisces rising, Virgo DSC… look to the 6th house

Can you see the pattern now?

This same pattern can be used on all your other house cusps including the 5th and the 8th if you are interested in looking for deeply into your romantic tastes….

Using myself as an example…. I’ve got Aries on the 5th house cusp, so when people put planets in my first house there is also a romantic overtone added to this overlay, along with the typical first house themes of strengthening my identity, and personal presence… This maybe because with my 5th house cusp being in Aries, these types of issues press my ‘romantic excitement’ buttons so to speak.

Funnily enough, I get a similar type of experience if someone else’s natal Mars strongly aspects my chart, and also I tend to notice them more if their Mars is strongly aspected with in the context their own chart as well. Like if a person has Mars conjunct the Sun for instance. Or if they have their Mars strongly aspecting my important parts of my chart….

Again, I think this is part of the ‘echo’ that comes from the primary natal 5th, 7th and 8th houses…This echo can manifest in THREE ways. And by ‘echo’ I’m referring to those relationship connections that are not direct 5th, 7th and 8th house overlays (which we are all traditionally taught to see as the be all and end all of relationship synastry and overlays)… you have to stretch you mind a little to see these ones.

HOW THE ‘ECHO’ OF A RELATIONSHIP HOUSE MAIFESTS…

1.) A partner has their planets actually falling into, or aspecting the ruler of, one of your SECONDARY relationship houses (5th ,7th, and 8th) .

A real life example of this would be someone with a Gemini Dsc (me) that has a partner with planets overlaying their 3rd house, or aspecting the 3rd house ruler.

2.) A partner has the planet ruling your PRIMARY or SECONDARY relationship house strong in their own chart. Also if you nataly have planets in the primary or secondary 7th house, look for that planet to be strong in your partner’s chart as well.

A real life example would be… A someone with a Gemini Dsc (primary 7th house) and Aquarius 3rd house (secondary 7th house) finds a partner with a strong Uranus or Mercury in the partner’s natal chart… like they have Uranus trine the Sun, and Mercury conjunct the Asc or something.

3.) A partner aspects your chart with the planet ruling your PRIMARY or SECONDARY relationship house.

A real life example would be if some has Mercury ruling the Dsc, and Uranus ruling the secondary Dsc, and they receive strong aspects from their partners Mercury or Uranus…

Again I used the Dsc as an example but you can use any of the relationship houses in this way gauge the flavor of a relationship. Each of the relationship houses have their own ‘flavor’ or tone that they give you in the relationship arena. This type of synastry and overlay technique describes the different ways these flavors can filter into your relationship… Even if planets do not directly influence the house in question in the traditional way…. Again, using the example of my Aries 5th house above… when I receive aspects from someone else’s Mars in can feel exciting, impressive and flirty in that 5th house kind of way, even if that person has no planets in my 5th house, or aspecting my 5th house ruler… same thing if they simply have Mars strong in their natal chart… Something about that person will impress me, especially if their Mars also aspects my chart. And with my 5th house cusp being Aries my Secondary 5th house is the 1st house… My 1st house is late Sagittarius, and early Capricorn, with the ruler of that house being Jupiter… So when a partner has planets falling into my 1st house, or aspecting Jupiter there will be a 5th house type vibe to the relationship as well.

This theme continues with my 8th house…. I’ve got Cancer on the 8th house…. When someone aspects my Moon, or has planets falling into the 8th house as with traditional relationship synastry, I can feel that 8th house vibe…. HOWEVER, ‘echo’s of that same type of feeling can occur if someone aspects my chart strongly with their Moon, or they have the Moon strong in there own chart…. ALSO, with the Cancer on the 8th house, the 4th house (the house symbolically linked to the sign Cancer) becomes the secondary 8th house…. So when people have planets in my 4th house or aspecting my forth house ruler this too can enhance intimacy in an 8th house kind of way…. And with Pisces being on my forth house cusp, people aspecting me with their Neptune, or having Neptune strong in there own charts, with give of that sexy 8th house vibe.

What all of this really means is that there are HUNDREDS of ways that a person can fit your 5th ,7th and 8th house attraction patterns. And usually when we meet someone who really presses our buttons they influence all three of these houses one way or another… if not through traditional overlays and synastry, then through secondary houses, or by aspecting our chart with certain planets, or having certain planets strong in their own charts.

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posted May 28, 2012 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like 10th house relationships (particularly in composites) because they're very stable. The world knows about your relationship and you're more likely to keep up appearances. There's incentive to work it out.

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Definitely want the relationship axis, the seventh house first house placements more than anything. I feel the strongest pull when someone's Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars are in those houses. Followed by the eighth and fifth houses. I think those four houses are the strongest in my experience.

The second house is also a misunderstood house in my opinion, only getting noticed for business pursuits or financial affairs. It is a Venus house after all, and I have noticed sexual attraction being pretty strong when someone has their Venus or Mars in that house.

The 11th house is great for friendship outside of romantic overtones, gives you a feeling that you can be comfortable with that person to let your guard down. The ninth house is great for positively, and feels like a very "fun" kind of energy exists between the two of you. And the sharing of belief systems is also a nice bonus, unless Mars or Saturn is in that house. Then watch out!

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posted May 29, 2012 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lilithpluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting read, Lotis! It fits perfectly well for me what you have written. I always wonder why despite my Aries Descendant, I have never been attracted to Aries dominant ppl, yet, those that I m attracted to, I notice has Planets in my 1st or 12th house or in composite we have packed 1st or 12th house. It seems these two houses came up the most frequently. I'm ok with 1st house, but 12th house doesn't seem promising either in synastry or composite..

Libra Ascendant - Ruler of first house is Venus (Gemini) in 9th house
Aries descendant - ruler of 7th house is Mars is in 1st house - makes sense I m attracted to 1st house overlays.
Ruler of 2nd house (Scorpio) is in 1st house - again attraction to first house overlays.
Ruler of 3rd house (Sag) is in 12th house - so I guess mercury in my chart is prominent thus my attraction to 12th house overlays since ruler of 3rd house is in 12th?That's how I can kinda link it up to my attraction to 12th house. I've been told by some that Mercury is strong in my chart so I guess this explains?
Ruler of 12th house (Virgo) is Mercury (Cancer) in 10th house.. This I dun understand the 12th house attraction... but if checking ruler of 10th house (Cancer) is in 5th house, house of fun love and pleasure, then yep, perhaphs that explains? This is confusing,

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posted September 10, 2012 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lotis,
I just wanted to understand the concept better.i am a bit muddled.
I have Pisces rising so my Dsc falls in 24 deg Virgo and my 7th house encompasses all of Libra.( I should check my 6th house).
My SO has Gemini rising and his Dsc is in Sag(He should check his 9th house).
I have 4 planets in Sag including Venus, Jupiter, Mercury, which is my 9th house. So they fall in his Dsc house.But my Dsc falls in his 4th house.
He has his pluto and Venus in my Virgo which my 6th house, but his 5 planets in Libra fall in my 7th house, since Libra is covered by my Dsc .
Help! I am confused.

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posted September 10, 2012 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rajin:
Hi Lotis,
I just wanted to understand the concept better.i am a bit muddled.
I have Pisces rising so my Dsc falls in 24 deg Virgo and my 7th house encompasses all of Libra.( I should check my 6th house).
My SO has Gemini rising and his Dsc is in Sag(He should check his 9th house).
I have 4 planets in Sag including Venus, Jupiter, Mercury, which is my 9th house. So they fall in his Dsc house.But my Dsc falls in his 4th house.
He has his pluto and Venus in my Virgo which my 6th house, but his 5 planets in Libra fall in my 7th house, since Libra is covered by my Dsc .
Help! I am confused.

Rajin,

Hi there. If you have Virgo on the 7th house cusp look to the 6th house even if you have an interception. The sign on your house cusp shows which house is your secondary 7th house.

This means that both your 7th and your 6th houses show your taste in partnership and marriage.

First… You check the 7th house, it’s ruler, and planets in that house, to understand your PRIMARY relationship taste and priorities. Your intercepted Libra in the 7th house is part your primary 7th house, so it counts as part of your attraction pattern. Yes, your partner’s 5 planets in Libra count as something that will attract you. Any overlays in your primary 7th house counts for attraction to partnership with someone, even if those planets are in an intercepted sign. They are still actually IN your 7th house. The sign Libra will attract you much like Virgo will, only because Virgo is the sign on the Dsc, we pay more attention to your 6th house as your secondary 7th house.

Then… You check your 6th house, it’s ruler, and planets in that house, to understand your SECONDARY relationship taste and priorities. Funnily enough, your Venus in the 6th house enhances an attraction to Libra types because Venus is in your secondary 7th house. It has a similar effect to Venus in the 7th. The 6th house is your secondary 7th house because you have Virgo on the 7th house cusp. The secondary 7th house is determined by the sign on the Dsc. If a partner puts planets in your 6th house it will also enhance the partnership feeling between you.

For your partner… He has Sagittarius on the 7th house cusp, so then we look at the 9th house in his chart so see more detail about his relationship taste and priorities. The 9th house works like a secondary 7th house in his chart.

First… You check his 7th house, it’s ruler, and planets in that house to understand his PRIMARY relationship needs. If you have 4 planets in Sagittarius it will enhance his attraction to you.

Then… You check his 9th house, it’s ruler, and planets in that house to see what his SECONDARY relationship taste is like. Note the sign of the cusp, and if there is an interception (like with your 7th house) you take note of the intercepted sign as well. Intercepted signs are an important part of the house they sit in.

Here planets falling into HIS 9th house show added relationship potential. It doesn’t matter what is going on in your 9th house.

I hope this was helpful.


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posted September 10, 2012 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lotis,
Thanks for the very patient insight. His 9th house starts at 29 deg Cancer. Will that still mean Cancer is also his 9th house? I just have the moon in Cancer and my NN in Aquarius which is his 9th. Does it mean I am more attracted to him than he to me?

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posted September 10, 2012 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rajin:
Hi Lotis,
Thanks for the very patient insight. His 9th house starts at 29 deg Cancer. Will that still mean Cancer is also his 9th house? I just have the moon in Cancer and my NN in Aquarius which is his 9th. Does it mean I am more attracted to him than he to me?

I'm a little confused. How can your partner have Cancer on the 9th house cusp if he has Gemini rising... His 9th house should be Aquarius. Are you talking about Uranus in Cancer since Uranus rules Aquarius?

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posted September 11, 2012 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lotis,
His 9th house starts at 29 deg Cancer and covers all of Aquarius. But like you said even if it is a small portion, the house where the 9th house axis lies would still be part of his 9th house.
I have moon at 18 deg Cancer and NN in Aquarius, so they should both be still in his 9th house, right?
Sorry, I am probably not making much sense.

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posted September 12, 2012 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rajin:
Hi Lotis,
His 9th house starts at 29 deg Cancer and covers all of Aquarius. But like you said even if it is a small portion, the house where the 9th house axis lies would still be part of his 9th house.
I have moon at 18 deg Cancer and NN in Aquarius, so they should both be still in his 9th house, right?
Sorry, I am probably not making much sense.

I think you might have your signs mixed up. There is absolutely no way that you can have both the signs Cancer and Aqua in the 9th house because they are on opposite sides of the zodiac.

The zodiac is in this order… Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces.

If your partner has Gemini rising, he may have CAPRICORN on the 9th house cusp because Capricorn is the sign right before Aquarius. If your partner had Cancer and Aqua in the same house they’d have 8 signs in the same house!

For Gemini rising the 9th house could begin in late Capricorn and then include Aquarius for the rest of the house. In which case Cancer would be on the 3rd house cusp.

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posted September 12, 2012 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lotis you are very correct. I kept thinking Cappy and wrote cancer by mistake.my moon ia 18 cappy and his 9th house starts at 29 cappy and covers all of aquarius, which only has rhe NN Iin it in my chart. does this mean it is more attraction on my side than his? so sorry abt the mistake. i read the words but did not see the mistake i was making." There is none so blind as those who wont see".lol.

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posted September 12, 2012 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by rajin:
Hi Lotis you are very correct. I kept thinking Cappy and wrote cancer by mistake.my moon ia 18 cappy and his 9th house starts at 29 cappy and covers all of aquarius, which only has rhe NN Iin it in my chart. does this mean it is more attraction on my side than his? so sorry abt the mistake. i read the words but did not see the mistake i was making." There is none so blind as those who wont see".lol.

The 8th house is the house that rules intimacy between the sexes. So your Capricorn Moon just being in his 8th house is a good sign for his attraction to you. Having a Sag Dsc makes the 9th house a secondary 7th house in his chart. If your Moon is in Cappy this is also a plus because it is in the same sign as the sign on his secondary Dsc. It would also be worthwhile to see what Saturn is doing in his chart, by sign, house and ruler. Does his Saturn aspect your planets? Aspects from Saturn and Jupiter in his chart to your chart will enhance affection and partnership between you because they are the rulers of his primary 7th house, and his secondary 7th house. Planets in Aqua may attract him as well if a large portion of this sign is in the 9th house (the secondary 7th house).

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posted September 12, 2012 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lotis,
His Jupiter is in Libra which is my 7th house and is conjunct my Uranus. That can't be good, since Uranus is known to rule unpredictability. His Uranus(the ruler of Aqua his 9th) is conjunct pluto the ruler of my 8th house.
I am amazed that all of you manage to so competently separate the important aspects from the less important ones. It is as if there are so many little side stories being told in a chart, that you tend to lose track of the main plot.
Hats off to all of you. You rock.
Lhanks Lotis.

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Oooo 7th for me.

Right now the guy I likes Venus and Mercury are in my fourth conjunct my IC. My sun and mercury are in his 7th/conjunct his DC. I also have my Jupiter conjunct his IC.

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Oooo 7th for me.

Right now the guy I likes Venus and Mercury are in my fourth conjunct my IC. My sun and mercury are in his 7th/conjunct his DC. I also have my Jupiter conjunct his IC.

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Noooooooooooooooooo....... its to confusing.. you also hide everything from each other.. especially ur feelings..

lol Depends on the two in synastry. I've found it quite nice, actually.

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This makes SO much sense to me finally!

So my husband has Libra 7th with Uranus and Pluto there. I am very plutonian with my Sun Virgo/Leo Venus in the 8th and Uranian with an Aquarius moon and a parallel Sun/Unraus aspect natally. I vacilate with him between these two sides of my personality. Interesetingly my progressed Sun, Pluto, Mars, uranus is all in Libra too and that sits in his 7th. My natal Uranus and Pluto sit in his 7th (which I know is generational but in this case seems to lends itself to more of the reason for his partial attraction to me.) My Aquarius moon sits in his 11th. My IC in Aries which is what relates to his 7th is in his 1st!

I have always been attracted to Taurus. There is something heavenly about them for me. I alos love Gemini so it's no suprise that my husband is Gemini Sun/Taurus Moon. I have Saturn in the 7th in Cancer which means my 4th house is important. This house is of course in Taurus and my husbands Moon sits in my 4th. God he feels like home and cozy and sexual all in one for me. It's heavenly. His Cancer Saturn also sits in my 7th along with his Leo Venus. His Gemini Sun sits in my 6th but since we are both ruled by mercury, it doesn't feel like the way most people explain the 6th would feel. We have lots of fun and enjoy the "mundane" life tasks that we all must do to get on in life.

Interestingly too, my husbands progressed Sun is in Cancer and this of course sits in my natal 7th. So by progression we are both in eachother's natal 7th.

Oh, and we have been together going on 8 years now. Married since 2008.

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posted September 12, 2012 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
This makes SO much sense to me finally!

So my husband has Libra 7th with Uranus and Pluto there. I am very plutonian with my Sun Virgo/Leo Venus in the 8th and Uranian with an Aquarius moon and a parallel Sun/Unraus aspect natally. I vacilate with him between these two sides of my personality. Interesetingly my progressed Sun, Pluto, Mars, uranus is all in Libra too and that sits in his 7th. My natal Uranus and Pluto sit in his 7th (which I know is generational but in this case seems to lends itself to more of the reason for his partial attraction to me.) My Aquarius moon sits in his 11th. My IC in Aries which is what relates to his 7th is in his 1st!

I have always been attracted to Taurus. There is something heavenly about them for me. I alos love Gemini so it's no suprise that my husband is Gemini Sun/Taurus Moon. I have Saturn in the 7th in Cancer which means my 4th house is important. This house is of course in Taurus and my husbands Moon sits in my 4th. God he feels like home and cozy and sexual all in one for me. It's heavenly. His Cancer Saturn also sits in my 7th along with his Leo Venus. His Gemini Sun sits in my 6th but since we are both ruled by mercury, it doesn't feel like the way most people explain the 6th would feel. We have lots of fun and enjoy the "mundane" life tasks that we all must do to get on in life.

Interestingly too, my husbands progressed Sun is in Cancer and this of course sits in my natal 7th. So by progression we are both in eachother's natal 7th.

Oh, and we have been together going on 8 years now. Married since 2008.


Hi there,

Would you mind telling me your 5th house cusp as well.

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posted September 13, 2012 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CRCRINCON     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi there,

Would you mind telling me your 5th house cusp as well.


Hi Lotis White: Gemini is my 5th cusp! Why?

BTW ...I have studied on my own for yrs but your information is finally helping me piece together things more fully! Ps. We are also in a biracial marriage hence I feel our Uranian aspects have that dynamic to them too.

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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
Hi Lotis White: Gemini is my 5th cusp! Why?

BTW ...I have studied on my own for yrs but your information is finally helping me piece together things more fully! Ps. We are also in a biracial marriage hence I feel our Uranian aspects have that dynamic to them too.


It's Gemini, that's a good sign.

Your primary 7th house cusp is Cancer, making your 4th house a secondary 7th house... Taurus. So your husband has his Saturn and Venus in your primary 7th house, while his moon in Taurus is in your secondary 7th house, shows how he suites you as a partner.

The 5th house is the romance house, even though his Sun is in the 6th house, it's in the same sign as the 5th house cusp, so his general personality still matches your romantic preferences.

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posted September 14, 2012 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CRCRINCON     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
It's Gemini, that's a good sign.

Your primary 7th house cusp is Cancer, making your 4th house a secondary 7th house... Taurus. So your husband has his Saturn and Venus in your primary 7th house, while his moon in Taurus is in your secondary 7th house, shows how he suites you as a partner.

The 5th house is the romance house, even though his Sun is in the 6th house, it's in the same sign as the 5th house cusp, so his general personality still matches your romantic preferences.


Thanks! Yes we are happily married! It all finally makes a lot more sense to me! Did what I wrote about his planets make sense as to why he is attracted to me? We also have his IC widely conjunct my DC (8 degree orb). That obviously contributes...

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I think no matter how good and promising a synastry/composite can look like, everything an still be ruined if the involved has some problems with their natal charts.
Also it is a matter of their upbringing, earlier experience with relationships and their present state of mind.
Two people could be absolutely perfect together, but still end with an ugly (and too quick)break up because they were just not ready to fight for things.

But I do think that couples who have made it for many years, probably MUST have some great compatibility or else it sounds impossible to stay together…. but in itself to just have a great synastry is not a guarantee, everything takes a hard work.

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I think that overlays in the cardinal and succedent crosses are very good for stable long-term relationships and they usually are there, at least one-two of them on each side (with 1st, 2nd, 4th, 7th and 10th being particularly good and common).

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