posted October 08, 2014 01:35 PM            

I believe that any closed circuits between planets (3 and more planets in mutual aspect to each other) signify a "synastry-complex" and should be read as such a complex, integrative rather than just checking the aspects in isolation.

Of course there can (and probably necessarily do) exist several complexes in a coherent synastry chart. Those will describe certain basic themes in the synastry, sort of the "building blocks".

Now of these probably the most stable of these complexes are those made of aspects in the same harmonic.

We already know these. For example a Grand Cross or T-square is a complex of the 4th harmonic (square, conjunction, opposition). Or a Grand Trine is a complex of the 3rd harmonic (all trines).

But there are also those that we might not see on a glance, and I suggest to at least checking for these:

5th harmonic
8th harmonic
9th harmonic
possibly 7th harmonic

and of course the usual ones

4th harmonic
12th harmonic (sextile, quinkunx, semisextile)
- technically the sextile belongs to the 6th harmonic, but as such is alsopart of the 12th, as are all the lower harmonics, we identify as Ptolemaic aspects btw-

That which strengthens the symmetrical complexes and patterns of these, is the fact that underlying there is a midpoint-picture. An axis actually, and it is probably easiest to identify the midpoint activations between charts first, and then check for the aspects being made by the planets.

Not every midpoint activation (one person`s planet to the other personīs midpoints) will also come with an actual aspect though, but every symmetrical harmonic pattern will come with a midpoint activation (obviously the orbs need to be tight for this).

And keep in mind, I mention SYMMETRICAL patterns.

Of course one planet can be semisextile another planet, that would be sextile a third one, which in turn would be quinkunx the first one. It would be a harmonic pattern of the 12th harmonic, and as such would be important, but it is not symmetrical.

For a symmetrical one we would need a sextile and both planets are quinkunx a third one. Not only would that be a Yod, just a name for the 12th harmonic triangle, but the third planet would be at the far midpoint of the other two.

I think that these harmonic triangles manifest to the harmonic vibration they are made of. A triangle of the 4th harmonic would feel different than one of the 3rd harmonic.

Also it means that in certain instances, it can be better to have a planet on the far midpoint, instead the near.

For example in a Grand Trine, the third planet is always on the far midpoint of the other two. In a Yod the quinkunx planet is on the far midpoint of the other two, same goes for the Golden Yod (quintile).

Or Thor`s hammer, which is a square at basis with sesisquares to a third one, hence the third one would be on the far midpoint of the other two.

I still think it is important and signficant if there is a planet on the near midpoint of let`s say a square.

But I think there is a descriptive qualititative difference in how it manifests. With the sesisquares the tension and dynamic is spreading seemingly outwards, maybe coming to consciousness and awareness if hitting the breaking point, maybe from external forces.

With the square and the two semisquares spreading out from the near midpoint of the square, it is more or less drawn inwards, imploding rather than exploding, and possibly more reactive and more like a quick instinctual uncontrollable reaction that we sometimes seem to have no control over. Just like with the conjunction we just react to each other, like an automatism, while with the opposition we might be a little more aware of what is hapeneing (though we might not be able to keep ourselves from doing it).

But the oposition is portrayed by the fullmoon, illuminating the darkness (subconsciousness). While on a newmoon (conjunction) we are in the dark, and the seed that is being laid, might not as all really understood by us ourselves at this point. We just react to the stimulus.

At least that is how I see it.

Nevertheless it could be quite worthwile to identify our harmonic triangles (symmetrical) and see which planets (and asteroids) are making an unit in our charts, interacting so strongly with each other as if in the same electric circuit.

(you should see the 4th harmonic pattern Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh had. Wow. )

If you start - as I suggest- by identifying the midpoint pictures, for thesae symmetrical patterns ONLY conjunction and opposition will work and can be traced back to symmetrical triangles.
I would suggest a 1 degree orb, too, to really find the "hottest" ones, that are brimming and sparkling and rumbling and crackling, and of course simultaneously activated by transits.

Even if the midpoint will be at 1 degree orb, the aspects still might be a bit more widespread, depending on the relation of the planets to each other.
I think that if these wide aspects come with a tight midpoint picture, this might pull them together.

I also suspect that if we have a widish natal aspect, and another person`s planet is positioned such, that it activates the midpoint as well as aspects the two planets accordingly, then this person might become some sort of catalyst for us, to feel this aspect of our chart.

posted October 08, 2014 02:05 PM            

I very much enjoyed your description of conjunctions/oppositions, the Thor's Hammer and everything else.

This is going to become my favorite thread

I'm preparing some images.

posted October 08, 2014 02:15 PM            

I wanted to show you an image of my syn with Mr Sag, too. But when I started I wasn`t quite aware of THAT
How, even though vibrating to different harmonics (4th for him, 9th for me), there is this interlocking, including the same midpoint axis for his Saturn/ASC and my Saturn/DESC, and yes, where it`s pointing to, where it all gathers, starts and possibly ends, and how it is not really a completing picture, but a reinforcement of a natal one for both of us.

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posted October 08, 2014 02:32 PM            

my Saturn novile my DESC: 0°04
my Saturn quadranovile my Sun: 1°01
my DESC quadranovile my Sun: 1°05

my Saturn/DESC: 26°59 Gemini
my Sun: 25°56 Sagittarius
(1°03)

It is of course a natal promise here, and I think the orbs are still reasonable, even though I like to keep the minor ones under one degree usually, but it would be nonsense to ignore the symmetry just because it is 5 minutes or so over my preferred orb (and honestly, I even consider 1°30 valid for noviles. lol)

But now, Mr Sag`s Sun happens to be at 26°58 Sagittarius.

See that? One minute off the exact midpoint of my Saturn/DESC.
I definitely think that means he sort of crystallizes this pattern for me even more than it was already focused in my natal.

his Sun conjuncts my Sun: 1°02
his Sun quadranovile my Saturn:0°01
his Sun quadranovile my DESC: 0°03

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now the second one, his 4th harmonic pattern.

his Saturn opposes his ASC: 0°29
his Saturn squares his Sun: 0°15
his ASC squares his Sun: 0°44

his Saturn/ASC: 26°28 Sagittarius

conjunct his Sun: 0°30

Well, he hardly needs anyone to crystallize that even more, I would really have to be blind to not see the whole cluster he has around 26-28 mutable. lol

But anyway so my Sun is on 25°56 Sagittarius
conjunct his Saturn/ASC 0°32

my Sun conjunct his Sun 1°02
my Sun square his ASC 0°17
my Sun square his Saturn 0°46

Not as tight as his Sun to my cluster, but hey come on, two clusters, interlocking, with the same planets and angle-axis, both under one degree, Iīd say, even though it probably is not the easiest one, it is definitely a structure.
And if I want to understand that synastry, it would have to be mentioned and analyzed.

even if I may ADORE our 5 degree Venus-Mars-trine and it surely will have significance, leaving out the Sun-Saturn-ASC-DESC would be misleading.

THIS would never be a lightweight connection, it could not. And we as persons are actually not that lighthearted when it comes to relating as our Sagittarius-stellia would make us believe, possibly.

Would we like it?
Well that is a completely different kettle of fish.

posted October 08, 2014 02:34 PM            

EDIT: sorry, Quadranovile Yod
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posted October 08, 2014 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

WOW
like a huge arrow point
linking Saturn - ASC/DSC - Sun
how I love to see such geometry!!!
So you have a Binovile Yod on his IC...so lovely. And your Bnovile Yod is Sun/DSC/Saturn - you have several markers in your own charts about this destined marriage linked to Saturn ( I think there was a strong one in your 9th harmonic as well)

EDIT: sorry, Quadranovile Yod

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Yes, and of course there must be such a pattern in the 9th harmonic chart, as this is the part relating to the 9th harmonic triangle pattern I just showed.

In the 9th harmonic chart it of course all falls onto the same spot, Sun, Saturn on DESC, and actually Juno VERY exactly on Saturn and DESC, too.
I did not mention her, cause she is not a part of the symmetrical quadranovile Yod.
She is binovile Sun, trine Saturn and binovile DESC.

actually that means that Juno falls onto the Sun/DESC-mp. LOL

This pattern of committed partnership for me really keeps cropping up. Juno-trine-Saturn is only one minute of orb, which means it stays intact in pretty much all the relevant higher harmonics as well, either as conjunction or as trine again.

I also find it intriguing how his pattern includes ASC and mine includes DESC.

posted October 08, 2014 03:02 PM            

Sorry about all the other lines, I need to prepare a simpler image.

But watch the gold lines - the Golden Yod
and inside, the black lines - the Quindecile Yod.

They are both exact. Quindecile is 23rd harmonic, no??

posted October 08, 2014 03:27 PM            

I actually can see it go in both directions.
But generally the merging point imo is found in the third planet, that which gets the same aspect of the other two planets.

posted October 08, 2014 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, and of course there must be such a pattern in the 9th harmonic chart, as this is the part relating to the 9th harmonic triangle pattern I just showed.

In the 9th harmonic chart it of course all falls onto the same spot, Sun, Saturn on DESC, and actually Juno VERY exactly on Saturn and DESC, too.
I did not mention her, cause she is not a part of the symmetrical quadranovile Yod.
She is binovile Sun, trine Saturn and binovile DESC.

actually that means that Juno falls onto the Sun/DESC-mp. LOL

This pattern of committed partnership for me really keeps cropping up. Juno-trine-Saturn is only one minute of orb, which means it stays intact in pretty much all the relevant higher harmonics as well, either as conjunction or as trine again.

I also find it intriguing how his pattern includes ASC and mine includes DESC.

(of course I see his Saturn is on his DESC, but in terms of this symmetrical triangle it is made by the opposition of Saturn to ASC, rather than its conjunction to DESC. That might be part of another pattern though.)

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It is also remarkable that both his Sun and Moon are on his mixed Saturn/ASC/DSC/MC/IC/Vertex mdp. I wonder what this means. A clear, inescapable fate? Like wrapping up of karma and stuff, a very important peaking life?

And it is very weird that Pluto Man has the same thing as Mr Sag!

ASC/MC/Saturn all on 27-28 degree (mutable) and Sun/Vertex/Karma 22-28 on DSC, giving the same thing: a common mdp for Sun/ASC/DSC/MC/IC/Vertex/Saturn.

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posted October 08, 2014 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interestingly I see it exactly opposite.
The Sun being the endpoint, where the energy is directed to and released. of course though it might come from the other side and be reflected back again.

I actually can see it go in both directions.
But generally the merging point imo is found in the third planet, that which gets the same aspect of the other two planets.

in my case it is Sun that receives the two quadranoviles. Of course his IC receives two 18th harmonic aspects. lol
But generally speaking I think the lower harmonics might be a little less subtle and more obvious, but maybe that is not that important anyway. His Sun definitely activates Saturn/DESC in me.

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That's another way of seeing it and you may be right. The reason I see it in reverse is because of a "slingshot principle". The longer aspect - the apex - is the more tense, it has the power to propel the whole energy, the longer aspect is more dynamic, the apex person is the trigger: in fact, the apex person is a flashlight, in a way the apex is behind the scenes. Well, this is one way to see it. I usually see Yods and T/squares like this, releasing in the less tense area (opp the apex). But then it definitely comes back and there's a back and forth mmovement. Anyway, I'm still working on this lol

In this case, I see your combined luminaries Mercury and Neptune exploding guided light towards the other half of the chart, where the energy is focused in your DSC/Saturn/his IC mdp. Just one way to look at it

posted October 08, 2014 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interesting way to see it. I have to think about it.

I could see that our stellium is where our energy starts, and then gets released or shot back to the IC one, is that what you mean?

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Yes, for him it would be a shot into the the heart but all his cross is connected with his luminaries, vertex and Saturn, so this would be something major for him. I think this should look like a powerful soulmate connection (for both)

posted October 08, 2014 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I believe that any closed circuits between planets (3 and more planets in mutual aspect to each other) signify a "synastry-complex" and should be read as such a complex, integrative rather than just checking the aspects in isolation.

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posted October 08, 2014 03:58 PM            

We have something beautiful with our config as well:

Moon rules my 7th, Uranus rules his 5th
Venus rules my IC, Pluto rules his Moon
my Sun - 7th ruler
his Sun - 11th ruler (sec 5th)

I'm a bit shocked they have the same cross hahahahaha angles Sun Vertex Saturn wow

and your Suns conjunct, ours are opposite

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