posted October 17, 2014 05:23 AM            

I can see we share a fascination for Persona Charts.
How do you analyse them?

This is my Moon Persona, could you suggest an analysis for it?

Let me know if you prefer to see other Persona or anything else.

Thanks!

posted October 17, 2014 07:56 PM            

I do love Persona Charts. It's the difference between looking at a patch of skin with your eyes and looking at it under a microscope.

posted October 18, 2014 04:46 PM            

I have not delineated others' Persona Charts in years, so I am very rusty. Please bear with me!

Okay, so the first thing I look for in a Moon Persona Chart is the Moon. Others may disagree and say the Sun should be the focal point. They are obviously BOTH important, but I prefer to study the Moon in this case.

Not only is your MPC Moon in Leo, it's also conjunct your Sun (ruled by Leo) and resides in your 5th house (ruled by Leo).

The MPC is meant to indicate the complexity of our emotions, childhood conditioning, the role of the mother, etc.

It would seem that either you, your mother, or both, are heavily influenced by Leonine themes (creativity, fun, kids, etc.) and share or shared just such a relationship.

With the Moon conjunct Mercury, it's possible your mother is/was highly communicative (verbally or using the written word). This may also signify that you and your mother were very communicative with each other.

There is a trine to the 12th house Jupiter which, barring other factors, would indicate an expansive, happy feeling.

There is also a square to Mars in Taurus. Mars in Taurus being slower to anger and generally just more stubborn than anything, if there is or was friction with your mother, it was likely rare and not unduly passionate in nature (like Scorpio or Aries). However, with Mars in the 1st, arguments may have centered around EGO and/or been obvious to others.

What I also look for in the MPC is the Saturn. While many associate the Sun with the father, I do not; I look to Saturn. Saturn has its own chart which will better define the individual's relationship with the father. However, one can definitely find information here as well.

Your MPC Saturn is in Cancer in your 4th house. Unlike the Moon, I would not say that Saturn is well aspected here, despite a sextile to Mars. As this is not YOUR Saturn, we should evaluate this as if it were your father. Is/was your father emotionally unavailable? Did he repress his feelings? Did he express discomfort with the emotions of others? Perhaps, he wasn't physically demonstrative.

posted October 18, 2014 05:13 PM            

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posted October 19, 2014 12:36 PM            

I'm sure the houses and rulers play a big part. Do you want to take a stab at delineation from that angle?

LeeoLoo: Well, I'm glad part of it was accurate. LOL So your father was very emotional... Reinterpreting here... Perhaps Saturn in Cancer can be translated a bit more literally then, like "Father embodies the themes of Cancer" but given the fact that "He" is at the apex of a T-square with no easy loophole except through Mars, expression was difficult.

In terms of houses, the Moon rules the 4th (naturally AND in your personal MPC), amplifying the influence of Saturn (father), as it rests in that house. By any chance, did your father's emotionalism and subsequent lack of expression affect your own emotional response to other men in your life?

Can you post your Saturn Persona Chart as well? I'm just curious to see if there is a correlation.

The 7th house of your MPC is empty of planets, the ruler of the house being a relatively-unaspected Pluto in Libra in the 6th. The ruler of this Pluto, Venus, is also relatively unaspected in the 5th.
It just seems as though you had/have a much deeper EMOTIONAL bond with your parents (especially your mother) than you did/or do with long-term partners. Friendship and lighter romance, being 5th house themes, are easier for you. Again, this would be more clear looking at the Venus Persona Chart or the Persona Chart that ruled your Venus or DSC.

All right, let's check me now. Where does this interpretation fall with respect to reality?

posted October 19, 2014 01:07 PM            

Interestingly in my Moon Persona, both Sun and MOon, interchange places. While it is of course the definition that the Sun in Moon Persona chart is on the spot the natal Moon is, that is not necessarily so for the Moon Persona chart Moon.

posted October 19, 2014 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Hi Dancing Maenad! I love your username by the way. You're not barging in; this is a learning platform after all.

I'm sure the houses and rulers play a big part. Do you want to take a stab at delineation from that angle?

LeeoLoo: Well, I'm glad part of it was accurate. LOL So your father was very emotional... Reinterpreting here... Perhaps Saturn in Cancer can be translated a bit more literally then, like "Father embodies the themes of Cancer" but given the fact that "He" is at the apex of a T-square with no easy loophole except through Mars, expression was difficult.

In terms of houses, the Moon rules the 4th (naturally AND in your personal MPC), amplifying the influence of Saturn (father), as it rests in that house. By any chance, did your father's emotionalism and subsequent lack of expression affect your own emotional response to other men in your life?

Can you post your Saturn Persona Chart as well? I'm just curious to see if there is a correlation.

The 7th house of your MPC is empty of planets, the ruler of the house being a relatively-unaspected Pluto in Libra in the 6th. The ruler of this Pluto, Venus, is also relatively unaspected in the 5th.
It just seems as though you had/have a much deeper EMOTIONAL bond with your parents (especially your mother) than you did/or do with long-term partners. Friendship and lighter romance, being 5th house themes, are easier for you. Again, this would be more clear looking at the Venus Persona Chart or the Persona Chart that ruled your Venus or DSC.

All right, let's check me now. Where does this interpretation fall with respect to reality?

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hmm not really. My deepest emotional bonds were with my partners, second my friends and family, and friends are like family to me.

My father is a model to me, as a man and as a partner, in many respects. But he was indeed very Cancerian, so to speak: Sun stellium in the 4th (Aqua), ASC conj Moon in Scorpio.

You noticed something interesting: I have duplicated 5th/11th in my natal, but this is because I'm an artist and have many friends - I hope lol Not fickle in love though. Actually, I kinda disagree with this house being necessarily the symbol of being fickle in romance and the old antagonism romance vs marriage, marriage the end of romance, romance without marriage = fickle etc. It is the house of Leo, after all: the house of love and the lover: likes to play, likes romancing and being romanced, likes the drama/the game of love and being on a stage, yes. Still the house of romantic love though, going hand in hand with Libra.

I can see that your analysis is focused on the relationship with the mother? It's interesting, a different way of seeing for me. Is this what the Moon chart means to you?
It makes sense, I guess it's one of the possible meanings, the family background, the roots.
BTW, both my Moon and Venus are in my 7th. Saturn too, on DSC.
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posted October 19, 2014 04:36 PM            

LeeLoo:

I am GOING to figure this out. LOL

Deepest emotional bonds with partners... okay, one thing I ignored in your MPC (unintentionally) is the ASC in Taurus, ruled by Venus which, while relatively unaspected, still resides in the 5th house (a relationship house). Yes you're right, it does have a widespread rep for being the flakier relationship house. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the 5th house "feels" different for different people (like any house), sometimes deeper, and sometimes not. In your case, your MPC 5th house contains both luminaries, making it VERY important to your MCP in general. As the Moon resides there, this is where your deepest emotional nature resides. Given that the ruler of your MCP chart also resides there, this does (in retrospect) make a lot of sense (that you would feel strong emotional bonds with partners). Impression: I obviously need to look at the ASC!

As for my interest in the mother in the MCP, I prefer things in life that have definite YES or NO answers which is why I have no interest in trying to discover one's "soulmate" or delineate "karmic" bonds. That stuff is Japanese to me; too ethereal for my tastes. Give me grounded reality any day. So I like to learn about the mother's role (or the father's role) because it is easily understood. The mother was either present or not. She was either loving and supportive or not. There are, of course, areas in between, but you get the idea.

Your father was a role model... okay, so I need to pay more attention to the rulership of Saturn, perhaps. Saturn being in Cancer, ruled by your Moon which, as above, is both highly active AND essentially well aspected in your MPC. Had the MPC Moon been unaspected or received only tense aspects, this may have played out differently for you. Hopefully, someone else on LL will post a MPC that shows this so we can make sure.

posted October 19, 2014 09:40 PM            

I interpret the Persona Charts according to the articles on astro.com.
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pers_atp_e.htm

posted October 20, 2014 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Sabina79:
Hola, Ceridwen! That is interesting. What do you think that means for you? If you want to post your MPC (ask LeeLoo first, as it's her thread ), I would be happy to take a look. As you may have noticed, we're still trying to figure all of this out, so the more the merrier.

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i am not quite sure, but it seems that the Sagittarius-Aquarius mix is strong in me.

Leeloo,

posted October 20, 2014 08:00 AM            

Anyone else who wants to discuss their MP, you may post them here.

posted October 20, 2014 01:48 PM            

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and the synastry of my Moon Persona with my Sun Persona (natal)

posted October 21, 2014 05:25 PM            

Okay, so if you read my back-and-forth with LeeLoo on this thread, you'll see I'm still trying to understand how to interpret the MPC (or any PC). I will need your help.

Let's start with the ASC, as this was something I neglected initially with LeeLoo's chart. Your MPC ASC is in Cancer, ruler of a Sag Moon in the 6th. This is helpful, actually, as the very next point of interest would have been the MPC Moon, and this ties it all together. Of note, your MCP Saturn (which represents "father" to me) rests in the 1st house ( ruled by the "mother"-Moon).

What is/was the relationship like between your parents? The MPC Moon and Saturn are inconjunct by sign but linked by rulership.

Would you call your father an emotional person (whether or not he expressed it)? Like LeeLoo, the MPC Saturn is in Cancer, and she stated her father, while quite emotional, but was not an emoter. The house placement is different, of course. LeeLoo's was in the 4th, whereas yours is in the 1st. In what way did your father influence your EGO/SENSE OF SELF growing up?

Does/did your relationship with your mother represent the themes of Sag (expansive, philosophical, blunt, musical, etc.)? What about its placement in the 6th house (work, health)? Did your mother suffer from any health issues? (We're getting into the realm of medical astrology which is complicated, but a general idea might be applied).

posted October 24, 2014 03:07 PM            

"What is/was the relationship like between your parents? The MPC Moon and Saturn are inconjunct by sign but linked by rulership."
Very strongly interlinked, despite quite different temperaments. But they complement each other very much.
As a child I experienced them as ONE,w ell as one parental unit at least.

"Would you call your father an emotional person (whether or not he expressed it)? "
Depends what you mean by that.
He is not emotional in that he is crying a lot or impulsive or even talking a lot about feelings.
He is very affectionate towards my mom, but all in all he is more intellectual than emotional, though he does have feelings of course, as every person has I suppose. lol

"Does/did your relationship with your mother represent the themes of Sag (expansive, philosophical, blunt, musical, etc.)?"
Hmm, not sure. Could fit, even though not a bulls-eye-fit. But education, social and moral values were or are very important to her, and I suppose she was also responsible for my interest in cultural things, including theatre, art etc. Though it was not her dominant focus, but it was part of the cultural education.

" What about its placement in the 6th house (work, health)? Did your mother suffer from any health issues? "
Doesnt everyone now and then?
But yes, she has a chronic skin desease, as possibly a lot of people have. I do not know the right name for it though.
But at times the itching is driving her crazy. She also has a thyroid condition, which I apparently have as well, and get treated for. So I suppose that fits the 6th house.