posted October 20, 2014 02:06 PM            

Right now, I have some very prominent Chiron synastry with two good friends & housemates. So I'm especially curious about these:

Sun conjunct Chiron
Chiron conjunct the SN
Mars conjunct Chiron
Mars square Chiron
Mars opposite Chiron
Chiron opposite Neptune exact
Pluto square Chiron
Chiron semi-square Ascendant

I'm affected no matter which one I am, as I'm very Chironic with him on my Midheaven aspecting a lot in my chart. But what about the other?

posted October 20, 2014 02:10 PM            

In fact, I can say that all of the ones I have seen (and I have seen many from doing charts and my own personal experience) follow the same pattern.

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posted October 20, 2014 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
With Chiron, the conjunctions seem to be the strongest. In the squares and oppositions, they need to be quite close to factor in ime

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posted October 20, 2014 02:47 PM            

This is a purely amazing subject.I am talking from my own personal experience, as well as the many charts I have done. Chiron is a weird-o. If I see Chiron coming in synastry, I hold my breath. Chiron will usually follow the same path, such that I know what he is up to, by now. I will try to explain what I have observed with Chiron in synastry. Please, add any comments yea or nay, as always. The planet person,usually, comes to the Chiron person for healing. The myth of Chiron is that of the wounded healer. Chiron can heal others from his wound, but he can never heal, himself. It is a sad story, as are most of the myths. However, the myths ring true . That is why they are so poignant.

In one chart, the mother’s Aqua Sun and mercury were an exact conjunction with the daughters Chiron. True to the myth, the mother wanted the daughter to parent her, guide her, and heal her. The daughter was a child and unable . The mother was very angry, as she thought it was her due, from being a mother. The relationship between mother and daughter was very hard. Ultimately, as happens with most Chiron relationships, it was too painful and broke apart to nothingness.

n another relationship between two girlfriends, they got close very fast, as is the case with Chiron. They felt they had found their best friend. It was wonderfully close, for as long as it lasted. There was an unusual depth and connection. There seems to be a loyalty,too. While the Chiron relationship lasts, it can be very positive. It can fill a void for each person. It can provide an intense connection which acts for the good of both people. In other words, it can be very positive while it lasts. However, when it breaks apart, that can be expected. When that happens, one must celebrate what was and let the person go. In the latter, it was an exact Venus/ Chiron conjunction in synastry.

Another example is a platonic male/female relationship. His mars was conjunct her Chiron. Again, they got very close, very fast. It was wonderfully healing, for as long as it lasted. Then, there was a small misunderstanding and it split apart, as fast as it had come together.

The strangest one was between two girlfriends.One girl’s Nessus was conjunct the other’s Chiron. The strangeness of the aspect, exactly, mirrored the strangeness of the relationship, from beginning to end. They started off as close friends. Then, they became bitter enemies. Then, they became very close, in the best friends way that is classic with Chiron. Then, the split apart over a small misunderstanding which was impossible to resolve, even though it should have been easy. The Nessus/ Chiron one was the strangest in that the Chiron person dropped off the face of the earth to the Nessus person, who had been her closest friend, just before. However, due to the intensity of each planet/ asteroid, one would expect such a bizarre course of events.

I will mention the North Node and Chiron, here., even though I talked about it in a separate article.This one must be stated, as Chiron will become the theme of the relationship. If a married couple has one person’s Chiron conjunct another’s North Node, there will be a pain theme in the relationship. Chiron, by nature, cannot heal. As such, there will be an open wound as the core of the relationship. This is very sad.

I have guidelines for any Chiron relationships. One must give a lot of space to each other, if the relationship is to last. Can it last? I don’t know . I know that NN/ Chiron can last, but one will be well versed in pain, as a result.

A wonderful Astrologer, Ceridwen, , just added this. It was too marvelous, not to share.
Yes, Chiron is strange.
But in a strange way it is also deep soulstuff, I find that it renders someone completely vulnerable. As if you had shed every protective skin, and you can only hope the other one will not hurt you so much, that it might destroy you. Sort of like your core lies totally open, and you don`t have any kind of defenses.

Thank you, Ceri!

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posted October 20, 2014 02:49 PM            

Oddly, my Chironic wound initially wrought by TISIPHONE-HADES is the distant echo of his own Chironic wound -- initially made by my TISIPHONE-LACHESIS.

Complex synastric configuration with some very stark mirrored patterning.

I'm slowly taking it to mean that my Tisiphonic nature brought him deep wounding -- which in turn became his Tisiphonic nature creating a similar deep wound.

posted October 20, 2014 02:53 PM              

it`s not easy by any means, because you are so vulnerable and have to be prepared to be very naked to the other person, but a lot of healing can happen.

If a person don´t like that though, the vulnerability-factor (and it really is raw, exhausting and leaving you without a second skin) or if the other person is acting like a bull stomping all over the tender vulnerability, then it can become EXTREMELY painful.

Personally I love conjunctions and opositions to my Chiron, even though they make me feel like I have no easy escape. But my Chiron is conjunct PHOINIX exact, so the whole rising up from the ashes kathartic scenario appeals to me anyway.

My friend even married the man whose Saturn is exactly squaring her Chiron (the heartbreak clash), and their marriage is characterized through a lot of stability and trust and loyalty and commitment. everything she ever wanted.
Actually they got together after a very unstable time for her, and he has always been ther ein the background, stabilizing her, as a friend first (though he had always been in love with her), and it is miraculous to see how much she bloomed and healed in their relationship.
Probably something else must figure in as well, it is difficult to wrap my mind around a SAturn-Chiron-square being THAT positive.

In our case, my Uranus opposes her Chiron exact, and in the beginning she was fascinated and shocked by my unwillingness to adapt to any social rules (like you MUST drink alcohol, you MUST go out every night, you MUST wear this, you MUST have a car, you MUST have sex at a certain age etc. - I did not do any of this, at least not becuase society said I should).
At the same time however she admired me for it and slowly began to realize that she was okay, even if she did not do anything she thought others expected her to, but find her own way (her Chiron is in her 11th house).

And here we are more than 25 years later, still best friends and still a miracle to everyone around us.
How our friendship could survive for so much longer than most marriages and being so loyal and committed to it, despite our different lifepaths.
but that is just how it is.

And we have some other so called gruesome aspects, too.

my Dad`s Chiron squares my Mum`s Venus exactly (on his own Saturn-ASC)
I think she is the only person who can really get under his skin; as he sais himself he is not that good dealing with the emotional stuff, but he is extremely affectionate towards her. And they are so close an unit that I even used to think of them as an unit as a kid, I never tried to play them against each other, as children sometimes do (going to Dad, if mom said no, that kind of thing). I never even thought about that, cause in my mind they were simply one, one parental unit I suppose.
LOL
Ah and all that hugging and kissing all the time, it was so YUCKY. (well for a kid at least. lol) and they are still so besotted with each other, it is eye-roll-worthy.

posted October 20, 2014 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I love Chiron synastry.

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Thaaaat's because you're a masochist.

posted October 20, 2014 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Thaaaat's because you're a masochist.

Kidding! ... I think.

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LOL

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posted October 20, 2014 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thank you, Ami.
Yes, I stand by what I wrote back then. Still true.

I have mentioned some positive examples, but there are others as well, that do not work out. The stakes are very high with Chiron, and not everyone can endure that kind of intense vulnerability over a longer period of time. And if that breaks down, it REALLY hurts.

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I forgot you were on the bottom of that article,Ceri, but it was a great comment

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posted October 20, 2014 03:06 PM              

I really thrive on the kathartic experiences. The rawer it leaves me, the more fulfilling.
Because I know I arise a new person, shedding one more skin, transforming, changing, to become who I really am. I mean the essence of me, the core, without all that social covering up crap.

Interestingly a colleague once mentioned that, that this was what she admired most about me, that I was never standing still, but always evolving, always transforming, always unconvering a new side of me, always growing and learning.

And I feel the moment I don´t do that anymore, I am as good as dead.
THAT evolving, growing, transforming, shedding skin for skin, is life to me.

Maybe I AM a masochist.

But then on the other hand, maybe I was just lucky that I have had the experience of being loved and supported by my family during childhood and knowing there would always be a net to fall back on. My parents would never let me fall, it is that whole tribal scenario we`ve got going on, which of course also has setbacks (makes it hard to move out of the family circles), but the positive thing was, thta I always had a home, a firm base to start from.

posted October 20, 2014 03:07 PM            

I say no.

Has it lasted with some people? Not that I have ever seen.

Some people give me self reports but I need to see it for myself though doing charts, knowing people and my own experiences.

I think Chiron conj the NN is the exception, in which it can last but there is a relationship with a pain theme.

That is how I feel about Chiron in synastry, to date, anyway.

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posted October 20, 2014 03:10 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Legitimate question, Ceri.

Since I have CHIRON square my NODES, does that indicate it's involved in some way regarding a 'skipped step'? I've always taken it to be, though I'm not sure how.

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Yes, a skipped step.

Depends on what stage of the Chiron-process you are. I think there are two stages at least.

1. the facing of the wound or vulnerability
2. the possible healing

You have to accept and see the wound before you can heal (ironically the healing usually sets in the moment we accept it can`t be healed, and it does not have to).

So what did you skip?
The facing that you felt incomplete, not good enough, wounded, that there is a raw corner you do not dare to look at but have to to move on from this?

posted October 20, 2014 03:12 PM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Some people give me self reports but I need to see it for myself though doing charts, knowing people and my own experiences.

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So basically you are saying you don´t trust these people tell you the truth, right?

posted October 20, 2014 04:24 PM            

This is what I think. Many people are in denial about what is actually happening. Other people tell me about OTHER people they know.

Hence, I need a direct relationship with people IF something I have seen dozens, if not hundreds of times, is being contested.

That is just good investigation methods, to me.

I am not saying anything about you, Ceri, or anyone else, personally.

That is how I investigate Astrology.

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posted October 20, 2014 05:45 PM            

I had an experience last week that made me stick to my ways of investigating charts.

One lady, who is somewhat well known in the field of Astrology, did not want to share her charts in public so she asked me to look in private.

She has the perfect relationship when one observes it.

However, she felt empty and as if they did not understand each other.

They had an amazing synastry except for no personal planet/moon connections.

They did have Moon trine Pluto.

One person had an unaspected Moon to the other except the Moon/Pluto

Hence, she felt a kind of non understanding at the soul level.

I helped her to see that they had an amazing relationship but for best friend's kind of soul, she should find a girlfriend.

She felt like she did not do anything wrong, nor did he. It was the chart make up.

My point in saying this was that everyone would think she had the ideal marriage but she did not.

She felt misunderstood and lonely.

That is why I don't take reports from any third party.

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posted October 20, 2014 05:53 PM            

All men I have ever loved shared a Chiron-Venus aspect with me (mostly trine). Now I experience a Chiron-Venus conjunction (they are closely parallel as well) that has lasted for 2 years... an intimate friendship... more than friendship, healing each others deepest wounds, it has not been easy, but very rewarding. And ohh, we have my NN conjunct his Chiron and his SN conjunct my Chiron. Sometimes I think that my mission is to heal (at least some of) his pain, because he has healed mine in a past life. It really feels like a mission. But we have a Saturn-Sun DW (conj and sextile) and Saturn-Moon DW (square and sextile).

posted October 20, 2014 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, a skipped step.

Depends on what stage of the Chiron-process you are. I think there are two stages at least.

1. the facing of the wound or vulnerability
2. the possible healing

You have to accept and see the wound before you can heal (ironically the healing usually sets in the moment we accept it can`t be healed, and it does not have to).

So what did you skip?
The facing that you felt incomplete, not good enough, wounded, that there is a raw corner you do not dare to look at but have to to move on from this?

Of did you face it, but were so apalled, horrified by it, scared, that you chose to run instead of REALLY going into it and embrace it, so it could be reintegrated as a part of you and healed?

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That's what I'm trying to figure out now. What do you think his TISIPHONE-HADES on my CHIRON then indicates? How does that particular paired energy affect my CHIRON? Does it open my deepest wound? Does it draw attention to -- potentially lead to clearing and healing it?

I wonder ... the skipped step. It's interesting, because then it's his TISIPHONE-HADES on my CHIRON, which is part of the skipped step.

Augh. I've GOT to stop pretending that what's going on isn't going on -- don't I? Stop acting like he isn't ... who he is.

God, that's not easy. Because, undoubtedly, that person betrayed me -- deeply. Left me tragically confused.

posted October 20, 2014 09:40 PM            

>Chiron is the bridge to spiritual awareness or the unconscious. "Chiron is the energetic gate from form (or Saturn) to higher awareness, Uranus. Uranus is illumination; it is kundalini breakthrough" (Barbara Hand Clow from "Chiron - Rainbow bridge between the Inner and Outer Planets" pg. 10). Therefore, one of the interpretations of the Chiron/Midheaven(MC) conjunction between individuals is that the Chiron person is empowering the MC person to reach enlightenment or the crown chakra, which connects to the higher self. The Chiron person heals the person they connect with in the area they connect in, therefore, my twin was in effect healing my consciousness by triggering my spiritual awakening. >

posted October 20, 2014 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Anybody have experienced chiron to angles?
My Chiron conjuncts his MC exactly..
His Chiron conjuncts my Juno and Saturn, 1 degree orb

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This I have found from doing charts. People with Chiron in the NATAL conj the MC have pain that others can see. The person can't help that because who would want others to see their pain lol

For you, in synastry, I wonder if you would bring him pain that others could see, Orange.

That would be the meaning of the aspect imo

His Chiron conj your Saturn may make YOU the strict father who tells him to stop whining and get over it lol

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