posted October 22, 2014 08:14 AM            

I was asked this question and it is a very good one. I use both terms in my writing. I will explain both. First of all, each planet tells us about a slice of ourselves. Each asteroid does the same. Once one understands which slice of life is in play and what that slice of life precisely DOES, one is on the way to understanding Astrology. Astrology is a language, as any other language. It has it's basic parts. The parts are moved around in various configurations, unique to each chart. Understanding the basic parts is a struggle. However, one has a true diamond when one has persevered.

Back to thesubject, which is the difference between Life Force and Primal Power. I will start with Life Force. Life Force is represented by the Asteroid Kaali. Kaali is one's basic energy system. I studied to be an acupuncture physician. The study of acupuncture is the study of Kaali. In the body, there are channels of energy flow, in the same way as there are channels of blood flow. We are familiar with blood flow mechanisms. The blood flows through veins and arteries. In the same way, the energy flows through meridians.

One's energy system is very real. That is why doctors can do surgery with no anesthesia, just acupuncture needles. Acupuncture is thousands of years older than modern medicine. It has stood the test of time, unlike modern medicine, which shows it's flaws daily. However, that is another story. For now, we are talking about the energy system and this is represented by the Asteroid Kaali.

To explain this further, think of the human aura. That is the emanation of the energy system in the outer body. I can see auras. It is not hard. Whether or not one can see auras, all of us can feel energy. The person with a prominent Kaali may suffer a great deal because what is meant to be inner becomes outer. People with Kaali conjunct the ASC seem to be either psychic vampires or psychic sponges. This is through no fault of their own, as is the case with all Astrological placements. Kaali conjunct the Sun or Moon seems to do the same thing. The native is too sensitive to the energies of this world. They are, essentially,wearing their insides on the outside. Look for it in your chart and you may find helpful insights into yourself.

Primal Power is very different from Life Force. Primal Power is represented by Pluto. In Freud's terms, it is the Id. The Id is our deepest passions, drives and longings. I use the example of a tiger when I describe Primal Power. Think of a tiger roaming the veld. He is majestic. He rules. He reins. He has one thing on his mind( or two)---Food and Mating. Those drives are primal drives. We each have an animal part inside of ourselves. Every beautiful man or women dressed up in an elegant gown at a dinner party has a primal tiger which can emerge at the right( or wrong) time. Pluto represents this in the chart of any person.

Let's take a few examples for purposes of explanation. People with Pluto conjunct the Ascendent are natural leaders. This native does not have to scream that he is the leader. He IS the leader. He comes by it naturally. He assumes leadership naturally. One of my clients is a professor. She has Pluto conjunct the Ascendent. She leads her class. A policeman may have Pluto conjunct the ASC. If he doesn't, one FEELS he does when one is pulled over for speeding. That would be the feeling of Pluto conjunct the Ascendent. The policeman walks to the car with all the swagger in the world because he knows he has the power and you don't. That encapsulates Pluto.

I think of Putin when I think of Pluto conjunct the MC. I think he does have this. Putin looks straight ahead with that Pluto stare. One would not mess with Putin. One would not mess with a person with a strong Pluto.

Strong Pluto positions are Pluto conjunct the Sun and Mars. Mars in Scorpio is an example of a person with a strong Pluto influence, as well.

I hope I have explained the differences between the two terms. Please, ask any questions, as always.

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posted October 22, 2014 10:05 AM            

He is shy with women, he has cap rising and several planets in the 12th.

Question, would Nessus be a type of PRIMAL POWER in addition to Pluto IYO?

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posted October 22, 2014 10:09 AM            

In Chinese medicine, there is the yin and the yang. Some planets are yin like the moon and venus. Some are yang like the Sun and Mars.

Yang is active, direct, "positive" energy in terms of the outward nature.

Yin is inner, "feminine", receptive energy.

Hence, I think Nessus would be yang and Deja would be yin, so yes, Nessus would have power lol

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posted October 22, 2014 10:49 AM            

How would Ixion affect Pluto conjunct NN ? Ixion is right on my Pluto conjunct NN.

posted October 22, 2014 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Very well explained. I think I’ve finally understood Pluto at a deeper level. I like the examples you’ve given, especially the tiger one.

How would Ixion affect Pluto conjunct NN ? Ixion is right on my Pluto conjunct NN.

Thanks, Ami.

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Thank YOU, A. You made my day!

Well, ixxion is utter lawlessness like the Russian Mafia

If this were conjunct the NN, I would expect the person would learn the lessons inherent and first do so by being lawless lol

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posted October 22, 2014 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My friend with sun square pluto constantly feels he has lost his power and swagger. He does not know how to get it back.

He is shy with women, he has cap rising and several planets in the 12th.

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posted October 22, 2014 11:07 AM            

To me, and I am alone in this, in most cases, I do not think one can unlock a square.

I think one needs to work around it by finding the positive aspects that can strengthen one.

That is my opinion, anyway.

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posted October 22, 2014 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Thank YOU, A. You made my day!

Well, ixxion is utter lawlessness like the Russian Mafia

If this were conjunct the NN, I would expect the person would learn the lessons inherent and first do so by being lawless lol

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lol, I’ve realized, the older I get, the more lawless I become. It’s like the complete opposite of what one would expect a Sun conjunct Saturn to grow into.

posted October 22, 2014 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Great post, A.

To me, and I am alone in this, in most cases, I do not think one can unlock a square.

I think one needs to work around it by finding the positive aspects that can strengthen one.

That is my opinion, anyway.

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Bad news, I have lot of squares.

posted October 22, 2014 11:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Interesting. Although I have PLUTO very strong, (conjunct SUN and BML), and parallel the ASC, along with MOON in Scorpio, I don't really have a 'primal power' drive.

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You do have it in Libra right? Perhaps the people you get involve with play out this energy for you.

posted October 22, 2014 12:01 PM            

I am not sure about this with respect to drive. Perhaps lol

I just write about what I know and I don't know about this.

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posted October 22, 2014 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You do have it in Libra right? Perhaps the people you get involve with play out this energy for you.

Or maybe you are sublimating it in some fashion like your career and the cases you handle.

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posted October 22, 2014 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That's highly possible, H. And, yes. It's all mid-late Libra. I've often wondered how the hell I ended up a Plutonian asexual schizoid. I've contemplated: is it just all sublimated?

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Libra is very cerebral. My husband too is somewhat asexual I would say.

He has mercury opposite pallas. He lives in his head, he has neptune in the 8th inconjunct chiron so he probably thinks about sex but initiating is not as urgent or comes as naturally. When he does initiate its unexpected (mars conjunct uranus). He has eros conjunct mercury in the 3rd and pluto in the 6th; he is more likely to express himself sexually via internet porn; perhaps if eros landed in the 5th or 8th but is in the 3rd combined with the neptune in the 8th and the libra cerebral nature.

Most of his energy and focus results in him spending must of his time in his head coming up with ways to create something that will be profitable and physically working towards such goals.

So if I remember correctly your stellium is in the 10th house and in libra so that energy is put into your career and will be very cerebral; it definitely fits with how you sublimate this into research in such areas of sexuality and into working with cases that focus on sexuality as a therapist. Having your own talk show about it fits with this as well as it puts you in the public eye talking about sexuality..

Maybe if your stellium felt in the 5th house it might have expressed itself more sexually specially if in a fire sign which would give it a sense of urgency I feel to ACT on desires.

posted October 22, 2014 04:21 PM            

3H MERCURY quindecile 8H PALLAS (0º)
4H NEPTUNE quincunx 9H CHIRON (2º)
3H MARS conjunct URANUS (7º) (And, yes, 0º SAG)
3H EROS conjunct MERCURY (2º)

posted October 22, 2014 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Actually, H, I've got a lot of similarities to your husband:

3H MERCURY quindecile 8H PALLAS (0º)
4H NEPTUNE quincunx 9H CHIRON (2º)
3H MARS conjunct URANUS (7º) (And, yes, 0º SAG)
3H EROS conjunct MERCURY (2º)

Are we born within the same month? That's kinda spooky!

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posted October 22, 2014 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
He was born late September 1980. You are a 70s child though right?

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12 October 1980. Your husband's right on the mark between my ex (14 September) and myself. How wild! That certainly explains a bit!

1980 is still '70s child', due to how slo-o--o---ow culture is to innovate. The '70s were alive and well until at least 1984. THEN we began to see a shift; it was a rather dramatic one, too. You'd get pockets, of course, but it was astounding how much the '70s still predominated up to the early '80s.

posted October 22, 2014 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You are most welcome, Anonym, my pleasure. I need to find you a nick name though. Figuring out how to spell your name is killing me

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posted October 23, 2014 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
lol, good luck with that.

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posted October 23, 2014 05:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
You were anonymitydarkness once, yes? Or am I inventing things in my head?

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