posted October 23, 2014 12:06 AM            

So, in hypothetical terminology, say you have someone who's Ascendant conjuncted the other's Midheaven in the synastry chart at exactly 7 degrees. BUT, and here's the tricky part, what if the Midpoints of each individual were only apart by 7 degrees as well?

Say like...You had a 16.5 Gemini 22' Midpoint for a woman and a 23.5 Virgo 2' Midpoint for the man. Would this mean that midpoints conjunct each other as well, or because of the angular difference between the signs, would they instead square each other? If so - with the square - would the relationship be difficult more so than usual? Or would it add an undeniable-attraction and tension to this possible aspect? Or, if there isn't an aspect at all, that's okay too! Just trying to learn here! Thanks so much!

posted October 23, 2014 12:15 AM            

This is due to the nature of midpoints. They're a vessel. Something must come along to activate the energy.

Think of them like ley lines in a chart. If / when something conjoins that point synastrically, they become operational.

So the answer to your query would be: it depends.

Two MPs cannot, by default, activate each other. But points ON them embody their qualities.

posted October 23, 2014 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Unless an actual point is there, they're potential hotspots. Good ones, but potential.

This is due to the nature of midpoints. They're a vessel. Something must come along to activate the energy.

Think of them like ley lines in a chart. If / when something conjoins that point synastrically, they become operational.

So the answer to your query would be: it depends.

Two MPs cannot, by default, activate each other. But points ON them embody their qualities.

If you've got two individuals with SUN/MOON aspecting each other, then it COULD be something major if a point from one, the other, or even transits -- occupies that space.

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Okay, I see what you're saying here. So the personal planets in the synastry chart have to activate the Sun-Moon midpoints.

Hypothetically, I was doing the synastry between my friend and her current boyfriend. She feels he's the one for her. I agree quite adamantly!

Their Suns semi-sextile each other.
Her Sun trines his Moon.
Their Moons trine each other.
Her Venus semi-squares His Sun.
Her Venus sesqui-quadrates His Moon.
His Venus conjuncts Her Moon.
Their Venus' conjunct each other.
Her Sun trines His Ascendant.
Her Moon also trines His Ascendant.

Would these aspects effect the Sun-Moon Midpoints that I had listed before for them?

Also, she's curious about this: What does it mean for one's Vertex to semi-square the other's Vertex in a synastry chart?

Again, thank you so much for all of your help! Really appreciate this!

posted October 23, 2014 12:36 AM            

Say, SUN conjunct MC is 3° conjunct ASC conjunct MOON. This would be fabulous, because we have a synastric SUN-MOON conjunction at 3°, along with ASC-SUN, MOON-MC, etc.

If there's nothing there, the angles are still closely enough conjunct to where I'd consider it a valid aspect and a definite simpatico.

My IC, for example, is 9° SAG '0; my partner's ASC is 5° SAG '45. It's about a 3° conjunction from his ASC to my IC. My most private self reflects who he projects to the world. He gets the zanier, more outgoing, enthusiastic, philosophical side of my personality -- that which my Virgo rising is reticent to show outwardly, except to intimates. He brings it out quite naturally.

However, my husband's MOON is 1° conjunct my IC (and 4° my partner's ASC). My husband's moods and emotions are VERY evident to him -- almost to the point where it's a bit much for him to take. I can handle them, most of the time, since the IC is a very private place. It's a more natural spot for emotional display.

My partner's DSC conversely is 3° conjunct my MC as well. While neither of us have points right on the spot, anything that transits 6°-9° Gemini (or hits it synastrically or in progressions) tends to directly influence or depict our professional relationship (DSC=MC). Our ASC=IC is a bit more reflective of our personal relationship: warm, enthusiastic, cheerful, surprisingly light-hearted. Meandering and philosophical (with a mutual detestation for labels!) But when we get down to business, we become multitasking moguls: disseminating information, communicating, and handling a lot of coordinating (on set).

Rulers do count, too.

My IC is ruled by 1H Virgo JUPITER; his is 9H LEO. It cerise the philosophical, jovial theme. (Though Virgo, and my JUPITER being conjunct SATURN may hint at the way we're usually always somehow working). But my MC is ruled by 3H Scorpio MERC; his DSC, 8H Cancer.

We're definitely seen as a tad mysterious, but very bonded and even like family. Our composite MERC continues that story, being exactly conjunct cVALENTINE, 11H. It's a great aspect to have when you're working together and with the public. Helps that it's in dignity, too.

ANYHOW ...

posted October 23, 2014 12:43 AM            

So. You mentioned MPs.

One SUN/MOON is 22° Gemini with the other being 23° Virgo? The energy is poised to create a square -- which, you already know -- is tension and friction. Luckily, they're both Mutable. One's likely to give, as Virgo and Gemini are very different energies.

The GEM is likely to have a core expression like that of a 'Gemini'; conversely, the VIR's of a 'Virgo'. You've got scattered versus focussed; disorganised versus organised. Glib versus serious. Casual versus formal. Not total opposites, but very different expressions of Mutable energy.

Now they ARE aspecting. This is a GOOD thing. At least their core energies ARE talking to each other. Trouble is, they're arguing.

posted October 23, 2014 01:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Also, 7° is pretty wide for angles. I usually cap it at 5° maximum, and that's IF there's a planet or point on one or the other.

Say, SUN conjunct MC is 3° conjunct ASC conjunct MOON. This would be fabulous, because we have a synastric SUN-MOON conjunction at 3°, along with ASC-SUN, MOON-MC, etc.

If there's nothing there, the angles are still closely enough conjunct to where I'd consider it a valid aspect and a definite simpatico.

My IC, for example, is 9° SAG '0; my partner's ASC is 5° SAG '45. It's about a 3° conjunction from his ASC to my IC. My most private self reflects who he projects to the world. He gets the zanier, more outgoing, enthusiastic, philosophical side of my personality -- that which my Virgo rising is reticent to show outwardly, except to intimates. He brings it out quite naturally.

However, my husband's MOON is 1° conjunct my IC (and 4° my partner's ASC). My husband's moods and emotions are VERY evident to him -- almost to the point where it's a bit much for him to take. I can handle them, most of the time, since the IC is a very private place. It's a more natural spot for emotional display.

My partner's DSC conversely is 3° conjunct my MC as well. While neither of us have points right on the spot, anything that transits 6°-9° Gemini (or hits it synastrically or in progressions) tends to directly influence or depict our professional relationship (DSC=MC). Our ASC=IC is a bit more reflective of our personal relationship: warm, enthusiastic, cheerful, surprisingly light-hearted. Meandering and philosophical (with a mutual detestation for labels!) But when we get down to business, we become multitasking moguls: disseminating information, communicating, and handling a lot of coordinating (on set).

Rulers do count, too.

My IC is ruled by 1H Virgo JUPITER; his is 9H LEO. It cerise the philosophical, jovial theme. (Though Virgo, and my JUPITER being conjunct SATURN may hint at the way we're usually always somehow working). But my MC is ruled by 3H Scorpio MERC; his DSC, 8H Cancer.

We're definitely seen as a tad mysterious, but very bonded and even like family. Our composite MERC continues that story, being exactly conjunct cVALENTINE, 11H. It's a great aspect to have when you're working together and with the public. Helps that it's in dignity, too.

ANYHOW ...

Astrology is holistic and, in my experience, multidisciplinary. Since you'd added you're learning, I thought I'd share a bit of how it all can work together.

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I see, I see. So, with it being two degrees more than the usual rule of thumb (I'm guessing this is a constitutional rule), would these angular connections be deemed invalid or not as strong if they were within that range?

Yes, they definitely have a 7 degree difference. Her IC is at Leo with 4 degrees while his DSC is Leo at 11 degrees. His ASC is Aquarius at 11 degree while her Aquarian MC is at 4 degrees.

So...with Her Sun Opposite His MC at -6 degrees - conjunct his ASC at 7 degrees - and trine her Moon at 9 degrees; this would all be pretty wide, huh?

Also, I hate to nag, but is there anything you know about vertices aspecting each other? Would this then mean that the anti-vertices aspect each other? They have personal planets that aspect the vertices as well...although the aspects vary. I know conjunctions are the strongest type of aspect with the Vertex, but I'd like to consider that any aspect to a person's Vertex can be just as important as the conjunction/opposition.

Again, thank you so much - I really appreciate everything you're helping me with. And yes, learning has always been one of my fortitudes in life - such is the way of being a Gemini. =)

posted October 23, 2014 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I try not to get bogged down in minor aspects. You'll find most couples have more of a major theme with a handful of oddly eerie minor aspects. Say, SUN opposite MOON, then VENUS contrascia MARS, and SUN quintile NEPTUNE. That sort of thing.

So. You mentioned MPs.

One SUN/MOON is 22° Gemini with the other being 23° Virgo? The energy is poised to create a square -- which, you already know -- is tension and friction. Luckily, they're both Mutable. One's likely to give, as Virgo and Gemini are very different energies.

The GEM is likely to have a core expression like that of a 'Gemini'; conversely, the VIR's of a 'Virgo'. You've got scattered versus focussed; disorganised versus organised. Glib versus serious. Casual versus formal. Not total opposites, but very different expressions of Mutable energy.

Now they ARE aspecting. This is a GOOD thing. At least their core energies ARE talking to each other. Trouble is, they're arguing.

Do any points fall on either? Do any points hit the far midpoint of either, either? That would be SAG and PISCES of the same degrees. 20°-24° suffice; but stick as close to 22°-23° as possible.

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Mmmm...and I take this squabbling is not necessarily a good thing for the foundations of a lasting relationship? Then again, she's always found that opposition in a person's core can create balance - like you said, one is serious, the other is casual. They would be able to learn from the other and help each other reach different levels of each trait. At least, that's what I hope for them.

Um...I'm not sure how to determine if they have planets touching the far mid-point. Could you perhaps give an example of that?

posted October 23, 2014 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ibringyouasong:
Mmmm...and I take this squabbling is not necessarily a good thing for the foundations of a lasting relationship? Then again, she's always found that opposition in a person's core can create balance - like you said, one is serious, the other is casual. They would be able to learn from the other and help each other reach different levels of each trait. At least, that's what I hope for them.

Um...I'm not sure how to determine if they have planets touching the far mid-point. Could you perhaps give an example of that?

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posted October 23, 2014 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by sunnybunny:
best resource for you is a book called "when will i marry" it's all about midpoints

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Not really. Rose Murray is fabulous, but it's not going to specify how to use them. Michael Munkasey's Midpoints is probably the best place to start. When you're ready to begin undertaking them.

Murray's book is focussed mostly upon progressions and transits for the time of marriage; Marriage Years theory. She discusses MPs and APs, too, but that's hardly the focus.

posted October 24, 2014 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I try not to get bogged down in minor aspects. You'll find most couples have more of a major theme with a handful of oddly eerie minor aspects. Say, SUN opposite MOON, then VENUS contrascia MARS, and SUN quintile NEPTUNE. That sort of thing.

So. You mentioned MPs.

One SUN/MOON is 22° Gemini with the other being 23° Virgo? The energy is poised to create a square -- which, you already know -- is tension and friction. Luckily, they're both Mutable. One's likely to give, as Virgo and Gemini are very different energies.

The GEM is likely to have a core expression like that of a 'Gemini'; conversely, the VIR's of a 'Virgo'. You've got scattered versus focussed; disorganised versus organised. Glib versus serious. Casual versus formal. Not total opposites, but very different expressions of Mutable energy.

Now they ARE aspecting. This is a GOOD thing. At least their core energies ARE talking to each other. Trouble is, they're arguing.

Do any points fall on either? Do any points hit the far midpoint of either, either? That would be SAG and PISCES of the same degrees. 20°-24° suffice; but stick as close to 22°-23° as possible.

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Actually, it's 16 degrees for Gemini; hence the 7 degree difference again (as with the ASC/MC and DSC/IC conjunctions) - but that's okay.

Hmmmm...well, natal-chart wise, he has three planets in Sagittarius. His Jupiter and Uranus are both at 8 degrees though...but his Neptune is at 28 degrees. His South Node is Sag as well at 25 degrees. His 10th House is Sag at 7 degrees while his 11th House is also Sag but t 25 degrees too. No Piscean in him.

For her, she has Sag for her 8th House at 21 degrees. She has Pisces for her 11th House at 1 degree.

Funnily enough too - upon noticing - her 7th House is Scorpio. She has no planets in her 7th House though and neither does he...but Pluto and Mars, the original rulers of Scorpio - Pluto is in the 6th and Mars in the 3rd houses respectively. Saturn is the natural ruler of the 9th House; his 9th House being Scorpio. But Scorpio is the sign of the 8th House - which is where His Saturn and Pluto are. Interesting. Wonder if these have any significance.

As always, thank you so much for your gracious help! Appreciate it immensely!

posted October 24, 2014 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
OH. Right.

If it's 7º difference -- 16º Gemini and 23º Virgo -- there's really no aspect.

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Ah, okay then! But the synastry aspects that I listed - would you say that those contacted the Sun/Moon Midpoint or not at all?

Yeah, I figured there wouldn't be anything with the far midpoint after looking at their natal charts. Again, I appreciate all of your help. It's always nice to take up a new lesson when it's learned.