posted November 03, 2014 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am southnode oriented so I really like things touching my southnode in synastry a lot more than northnode; specially venus and mars.

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posted November 03, 2014 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Do you ever feel physically attracted to the people who's venus or mars conjunct your south node?

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Definitely, very. It helps that whatever conjuncts my SN also trines my venus and mars and conjuncts my Sun-Moon midpoint.

On that note maybe I am the wrong person to ask as too many other variables influencing.

posted November 04, 2014 05:34 AM              

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I know someone who has his Venus and Mars conjunct my SN under 2 orbs and he is someone i have known many times before. but since there aren't any NN conjunctions as well, going back to him was always a mistake and made me unhappy. he is my past and will stay there.

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Ah, thank you for that point of view

posted November 04, 2014 07:20 AM            

The thing is that although we need to learn our North Node, it’s not like we need to completely abandon the South Node in favor of the North Node either, because that creates a totally new imbalance (the reverse of what we were born with). The Idea is that we BALANCE our lives by mastering the challenge of the North Node, while also retaining our natural talent and skills, as shown by the South Node. Conjunctions to either end of the Nodal Axis in synastry can feel profound.

I have some interesting analogies here when comparing some tid bits I’ve learned from both Western and Vedic astrology.

In western astrology, I've heard that the South Node is similar nature to SATURN, because it restricts us and holds us back (Saturn has rings) in the past. Returning to the South Node can be like taking a step back into something that is familiar, comfortable, and confirming. We are in our comfort zone, and not challenged to move outside of it. The South Node is a place where we have experience and wisdom because we've been there and done that before. Eventually this can feel like being stuck in a rut. In synastry conjunctions to the South Node there’s often the sense that we know the person already, like an old friend (or old enemy). An unspoken knowing exists between people with South Node synastry that needs little explaining. Even if we barely know a person who touches our South Node, when we are connecting with them it almost seems as if we are reminiscing about the past, or some shared understanding. Sometimes though, it can feel as if there's not much room to move forward.

In Western astrology the North Node is associated with JUPITER, because it promotes growth and allows us to expand our skill-set, and understanding of life. The North Node is the opposite of our comfort zone. It takes us out of the familiar, and leads us into new avenues of experience. When we embrace our North Node we can be wide-eyed with wonder as we explore this new way of operating in the world. We also become filled with optimism as it feels like we are finally making progress in our life. In synastry conjunctions to the North Node feel as if the other person is teaching you something important, and leading you forward in life. People who connect to our North Node give us hope for the future. They add excitement and growth to our lives, and show us the way to new opportunities.

However…

In Vedic astrology the South Node is associated with MARS. This may sound odd, but here’s why: Mars is considered a champion, who is expert, skilled, and brave in the mode of operation that it uses. From this perspective the South Node shows not only where we are comfortable, it shows an area of life that we have already conquered, and developed a strong skill-set and understanding in. It’s pretty easy for us to be ‘champions’ in area of our South Node because we are well versed in that mode of approaching life, presumably based on our past life experiences. We tend to fall back into the habit patterns of our South Node because here we feel we know what we are doing, and feel at ease. It’s what we’ve already mastered. In synastry conjunctions to the South Node can show how people support us operating in the area where we feel most confident, and how they validate our natural abilities and talents. They don’t challenge us to change, but rather give us a comfortable place to fall back into. When we are around them it’s like we’re in our forte, and we’re able demonstrate the unique expertise/mode of being that we were born with.

Also, in Vedic astrology the North Node is associated with SATURN. That’s right, Saturn is associated with both the North and the South Nodes in the different astrological systems but for different reasons. I can actually see how both fit in terms of providing an analogy. Saturn is the planet of hard work and struggle… And while the North Node does give us the growth, hope, and joy of Jupiter in some ways… It’s also darn hard work learning how to master our North Node. The North Node symbolizes those abilities and qualities that are unfamiliar to us. We may feel that we are not very skilled or developed in the area of our North Node. If the South Node is where we feel like a champion, the North Node is where we feel a little insecure and unschooled. We may even feel rigid and shy in this area because we don’t really know what we are doing (at least not at first). Synastry conjunctions to the North Node show how others are able to show us the way toward our North Node. Just by being around them we may feel we are learning something new. We are likely to receive help from these people, as they are able to teach us by example without even trying. The Saturn part of the North Node would be the hard work and effort it takes to develop skills in an area where we are not well versed. The Jupiter part of the North Node would be the joy and excitement we experience upon the growth we attain as we make breakthroughs towards our North Node.

I can see how both the Vedic and the Western analogies for understanding the Nodal Axis work. These can also give insight into how it feels to have synastry involving this Axis.

Personally, I think I like the North Node a little better then the South Node in synastry, because I like the idea of moving forward. If the South Node is touched in synastry. then I like it if the person also has a planet on my North Node (like the have an opposition in their chart). At least this is what I’d prefer in love relationships. It’s different with family members. The South Node can feel nice, and confirming, but also it can kind of trap you from your growth somehow. People vary though, in how they respond to their Nodes.

posted November 04, 2014 07:43 AM              

the SN connection is a soulmate connection; meaning, from the POV of karmic astrology, a relationship with a past; being part of the same soul family, soul group. Sometimes we meet people with short-term synastry, or synastries with a deadline, and a SN connection In this case, the relationship is only a transitory stage in our life, a lesson. The same goes for NN conjunctions in a short-term synastry - a NN conjunction can be as transitory as a SN one - a NN conjunction does not guarantee long-term or a common future; just that the impact, the area of the lesson is different. But if the rest of the synastry is long-term connective, the SN connection is a soulmate indicator. By soulmate I understand someone you walk with on your life path, either as your love or your friend: the stable people in your life, your soul group.

the NN connection between the two connects past with future

EDIT: the thing is, if the synastry is very connective, a conjunction on the SN is a much deeper connection, a soul connection. But long-term couples need a flow from past to future, need both this soul connection and growth, and this is solved by the square of a planet to the nodal axis.

Squares to the nodal axis are common in long term relationships, probably because they connect both ends in a dynamic structure. In fact, the squares to the nodal axis seem to be the most binding/lasting structure when it comes to nodes.

Some examples of nodal connections:

Dali/Gala
Moon conj NN coupled with Moon sq nodal axis
Neptune opp Uranus sq nodal axis
nodal axis reversed and conjunct, OOS
comp Venus conj NN, Saturn on SN

Victoria/David Beckham

Vertex conj NN and DSC
Venus conj SN
Mars sq nodal axis
comp Neptune conj NN

Jennifer Garner/Ben Affleck

NN conj, squared by one's Sun and the other's Moon
Mars conj comp SN

Anne Fuller/Richard Fuller

NN conj
Venus conj SN coupled with Venus sq nodal axis for the other

Meryl Streep,/Don Gummer

SN cnj Vertex
Mercury/Mars conj NN coupled with possibly ASC sq nodal axis on the other side
the classical Saturn sq nodal axis in composite, plus Chiron conj SN, Pluto sq nodal axis

Linda/Paul

NN conj ASC/Neptune
Saturn/Uranus sq nodal axis
Sun/MC sq nodal axis on the other side, and conj Vertex
comp Mars sq nodal axis

Lauren/Bogie

Uranus sq nodal axis
ASC sq nodal axis
comp Merc/Venus conj NN
Moon/Neptune sq nodal axis

Paul Newman/Joanne

crossed NN axis
Sun sq nodal axis on one side
Mercury/Mars conj SN
NN conj IC
comp Jupiter/Uranus sq nodal axis

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posted November 04, 2014 08:06 AM            

I think both can tie together as well, and overall I think you have to examine any moon energies in synastry as the moon is the soul. The Nodal Axis, Lilith, Moon midpoints, I think it should all be taken into consideration for a good in depth research into any kind of partnership. It's manifestations of lunar energy. These points would not exist without the Moon, they're like Moon branches.

Lotis brings up a good point, someone else's personal planet or midpoint touching your SN will bring up "where you have been". Perhaps they draw attention to your SN "where you have been and need to venture from" in this life, but they do so with the planetary energies they bring into the equation. A Jupiter/SN contact will feel different to you than a Mercury/SN contact. To me, the client should realize there is a choice. They can see this planetary/SN contact as an opportunity to revisit something they need to "wrap up" (like an old habit) or could see it as something that strengthens their jumping off point for reaching the NN for balance. If it is a more difficult contact, the client needs to make a choice, see this as an opportunity or a hindrance, personal perspective is the real key here because that is what shapes our reality. This is going to effect us in THIS life but also speaks to past lives.

Loo points out the Karmic aspect as well, which I have also seen play out. Karmic ties, soul groups and families, soul mates, etc they are going to share similar patters in this life and in past lives. So you can interpret it both ways and (IMHO) should. What this planet does in this life, will have past life connections to other lives.

posted November 04, 2014 08:26 AM              

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
I agree with both Lotis and Loo - I hope you don't mind me calling you Loo but I love to say Loo in my head. I just imagine calling you Loo and giving you a squeeze when I do it for some reason! lol

I think both can tie together as well, and overall I think you have to examine any moon energies in synastry as the moon is the soul. The Nodal Axis, Lilith, Moon midpoints, I think it should all be taken into consideration for a good in depth research into any kind of partnership. It's manifestations of lunar energy. These points would not exist without the Moon, they're like Moon branches.

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hehehe I like it...Loo me!

Great input! May I invite you to open a thread about the lunar connections in synastry, the ones you mentioned? It sounds like a marvelous thread!

I'd like to add that I noticed the conjunctions to SN can be a real push, coming from more dynamic planets, like Mars, Mercury, Uranus. They propel the nodal native towards growth, future. They bring movement, a change, a separation from the past, not necessarily by themselves. The two can move on this path together, with the planet person triggering this movement.

Also, it depends a lot on the meaning that planet has in the natal chart. For example, someone's Saturn conj SN could mean revisiting, finding one's lost "family feeling", find a connection with the past provided by the Saturn person the nodal person has been looking for their entire life - like finding your marbles or something lol (I'm referring to Hook )

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posted November 04, 2014 08:32 AM            

Looking back at how we have grown up through the years, the progressions are eerily parallel, to the point where we sometimes are a little bit spooked at the similarities.

posted November 04, 2014 08:34 AM            

My south node is the opposite sign of my stellium (including sun). I have chart ruler on the NN and I'm more comfortable in exhibiting the "traits" of my NN.

posted November 04, 2014 10:21 AM            

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Great input! May I invite you to open a thread about the lunar connections in synastry, the ones you mentioned? It sounds like a marvelous thread!

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Sure! I'll do that sometime today!

posted November 04, 2014 03:36 PM            

Also, my Vertex is in Taurus at 22" and his is Virgo... 23"...

I read up a ton about planets hitting the nodes... but what about the nodes themselves conjoining?

posted November 04, 2014 07:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Based on my research, I have a different view. There's something on the SN in synastry and/or comp in soulmate, karmic, lasting, important relationships. In fact, both SN and NN are involved in this kind of relationships:

the SN connection is a soulmate connection; meaning, from the POV of karmic astrology, a relationship with a past; being part of the same soul family, soul group. Sometimes we meet people with short-term synastry, or synastries with a deadline, and a SN connection In this case, the relationship is only a transitory stage in our life, a lesson. The same goes for NN conjunctions in a short-term synastry - a NN conjunction can be as transitory as a SN one - a NN conjunction does not guarantee long-term or a common future; just that the impact, the area of the lesson is different. But if the rest of the synastry is long-term connective, the SN connection is a soulmate indicator. By soulmate I understand someone you walk with on your life path, either as your love or your friend: the stable people in your life, your soul group.

the NN connection between the two connects past with future

EDIT: the thing is, if the synastry is very connective, a conjunction on the SN is a much deeper connection, a soul connection. But long-term couples need a flow from past to future, need both this soul connection and growth, and this is solved by the square of a planet to the nodal axis.

Squares to the nodal axis are common in long term relationships, probably because they connect both ends in a dynamic structure. In fact, the squares to the nodal axis seem to be the most binding/lasting structure when it comes to nodes.

Some examples of nodal connections:

Dali/Gala
Moon conj NN coupled with Moon sq nodal axis
Neptune opp Uranus sq nodal axis
nodal axis reversed and conjunct, OOS
comp Venus conj NN, Saturn on SN

Victoria/David Beckham

Vertex conj NN and DSC
Venus conj SN
Mars sq nodal axis
comp Neptune conj NN

Jennifer Garner/Ben Affleck

NN conj, squared by one's Sun and the other's Moon
Mars conj comp SN

Anne Fuller/Richard Fuller

NN conj
Venus conj SN coupled with Venus sq nodal axis for the other

Meryl Streep,/Don Gummer

SN cnj Vertex
Mercury/Mars conj NN coupled with possibly ASC sq nodal axis on the other side
the classical Saturn sq nodal axis in composite, plus Chiron conj SN, Pluto sq nodal axis

Linda/Paul

NN conj ASC/Neptune
Saturn/Uranus sq nodal axis
Sun/MC sq nodal axis on the other side, and conj Vertex
comp Mars sq nodal axis

Lauren/Bogie

Uranus sq nodal axis
ASC sq nodal axis
comp Merc/Venus conj NN
Moon/Neptune sq nodal axis

Paul Newman/Joanne

crossed NN axis
Sun sq nodal axis on one side
Mercury/Mars conj SN
NN conj IC
comp Jupiter/Uranus sq nodal axis

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One thing I totally agree with here is that the rest of the synastry has a major impact on how Nodal conjunctions play out. The connection could be long term of short term depend on context, or even positive or negative depending on context. How a conjunction to the Nodal Axis feels also depends very much on the planet involved, and how our Nodal Axis is aspected within the context of our own natal chart. If we have a harshly aspected Nodal Axis this will modify how we react to conjunctions there. Same with flowing aspects to the Nodal Axis.

I see South Node connections as reminding us of something from the past. These connections can be easy to fall into because of a natural understanding. There's a strong indication of past life connection here. South Node connections do seem to be about finishing something off, getting closure, or picking up where we left off. But how long with that take? A month? A lifetime?

I see North Node connections as providing guidance on how develop strength in our weakest area. This can be exciting, but it's not always comfortable. And although the North Node is about growing into the future, we are not necessarily connecting with our North Node partner for the first time this life-time. Rather it's like we have some type of learning contract with them. This time around they are meant to be teaching us something we need to know, either gently or roughly, depending on the rest of the synastry. We can take this opportunity or leave it.

Both ends of the Nodal Axis seem to have karmic implications that go beyond this lifetime.

LeeLoo mentioned synastry squares to the Nodal Axis as providing a solution to balancing our Nodes. This might work for some people. But in my natal chart the only aspect to my Nodal Axis (Aries SN, Libra NN) is a sextile/trine from my Mars in Leo, which is also my 5th house ruler. Because of the setup of my natal chart I actually prefer sextile/trines to my Nodal Axis which connect to my Mars as well. They are like a helping hand when it comes to balancing the Nodes in my chart. Keeping a bit of the South Node, while also developing a bit of the North Node. I just adore these aspects. Planets in Air signs aspecting my Nodal Axis lead me a little more towards my Libra North Node. Planets in Fire signs aspecting my Nodal Axis lead me a little more towards my Aries South Node. Both seem to help with balancing however.

Going back to conjunctions to either end of the Nodal Axis, I'll use the example of Venus conjunctions (a popular one to study) to illustrate how I think they'd play out.

With a planet like Venus on our South Node, we share instinctive understandings about love and relationships, and revisit the things we have already learned and know well about this area of life with this person. We may have shared such love with that person in the past. The can be a haunting romantic feeling to Venus on the South Node synastry, like bumping into an old lover and being reminded what we saw in them, after many years. Where we take it from there depends on other factors in synastry, and what we decide we want form the connection.

With a planet like Venus on the North Node, the Venus person seems expert at things to do with love and relationships that we ourselves are not so good at. We probably long to be able to tackle certain aspects of relating the way they do. Even if other parts of the synastry lead us not to like this person very much, there'll still be something we begrudgingly admire about their relating skills. North Node Venus conjunctions are romantically exciting in that the Venus person can lead us somewhere in love we always knew deep down that we were meant to go. We just didn't know quite how to get there all by ourselves. Where we take it from here depends on how we feel about our North Node. Are we ready to take on the challenge of improving what is possibly our weakest skill-set in the area of love and relationships? Or is the prospect too stressful for us? The North Node can inspire us with longing and enthusiasm to grow, or it can scare the crap out of us, and make us run like hell... Right back into our comfort zone.

Similar types of scenarios play out with the different planets. Venus is about relating skills and expressing affection. With Mercury the issue would be intellectual skills and knowledge. With Saturn the issue would be responsibility and practicality. And so on.

posted November 04, 2014 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am southnode oriented so I really like things touching my southnode in synastry a lot more than northnode; specially venus and mars.

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This can totally happen.

posted November 05, 2014 12:04 AM            

Regarding the karmic balancing act, I wrote a bit on this in regards to how we're progressing in our relationships. I'll have to dig that out ...

posted November 05, 2014 07:16 AM              

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
So what if your NN is exactly opposite another's SN? I.e. My NN Pisces at 23" his NN Virgo at 23"?

Also, my Vertex is in Taurus at 22" and his is Virgo... 23"...

I read up a ton about planets hitting the nodes... but what about the nodes themselves conjoining?

Any ideas?

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That's a binding aspect, in my experience.

posted November 05, 2014 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Soulmate (as I intended it) = your people, your soul group, your soul family.

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posted November 05, 2014 08:44 AM              

In many relationships that are only challenges to us, or growth encounters as you said very well, there are very tight node/vertex conjunctions. But the rest of the synastry points to a specific, time-limited relationship.

I call those focal synastries. They usually look like this: the synastry is scattered, few aspects, but the few aspects there are very tight and precise and focused on fate markers: One-two planets tightly conjunct angles, nodes, or vertices, on one or both sides. The attraction is compulsive and urgent, those tight aspects play out, they are the "mission" of the synastry, then the relationship dissolves.