posted April 02, 2012 05:59 AM            

Here is an extract from a website I found which explains the reason for this in detail (I have shortened it slightly as it is very long)

"One of the most intriguing, nebulous and controversial topics of history and magic is the “hieros gamos”, “the sacred marriage”…..

What is the hieros gamos? At its core, the sacred marriage is more of a sacrament than a ritual. It is a marriage between husband and wife, but is of a sacred nature: it is a marriage blessed by the gods, with active participation of those deities, present in the act of lovemaking between two humans…

Carl Gustav Jung studied the hieros gamos through the Rosarium Philosophorum, a series of twenty woodcuts, printed in Frankfurt in 1550. The images have a clear sexual and royal nature: a king and queen are depicted with the sun and the moon, sharing a bed, performing sexual acts, as a result of which they become one, and are transformed. And it is with these woodcuts that we come to the core of the hieros gamos: indeed, the primary purpose of the sacred marriage is that two equals, twin souls, a husband and wife, reunite through the hieros gamos. In short: the hieros gamos, or sacred marriage, was not a marriage of just any human beings, but of twin souls.

The concept of twin souls – more popularly known as soulmates – is as old as civilisation itself. Isis and Osiris were both sister and brother and husband and wife: twins. Rather than seeing this as an incestuous relationship, the ancient Egyptians were using this imagery to portray a complex metaphysical framework.

They – like so many other religions – believed that each human being possessed a soul. That soul was half of one unit, which consisted out of one male and one female half. This meant that for every human being alive, there was a perfect twin soul. The quest in this lifetime was to find that twin soul, and be reunited with it. This was the truest of loves; the greatest quest ; the Great Work of Alchemy.

The alchemist Nicolas Flamel stated that he was only able to accomplish the Great Work while in the presence of his wife Perenelle, but it was equally accepted that the majority of marriages here on earth, was not between twin souls.

Once the twin souls had found themselves, apart from understanding the true depths of love and kinship they shared throughout their many lifetimes together, the hieros gamos would be completed at some point.

What was it? It was seen as God personally “attending” a sexual activity, in which the human beings – male and female – each get “infused” by the divine essence of the male and female component of God.

The best-known historical example of such a sacred marriage is between King Solomon and Queen Sheba. The story relates how the Queen of Sheba travelled from her homeland to meet Solomon, to perform the hieros gamos with him. This story is discussed by Kathleen McGowan in her fact-based novel “Book of Love”. She relates that ancient traditions stipulate God had both a male and female aspect: El and Asherah. Tradition relates that they desired “to experience their great and divine love in a physical form and to share such blessedness with the children they would create. Each soul who was formed was perfectly matched, given a twin made from the same essence. […]

Thus the hieros-gamos was created, the sacred marriage of trust and consciousness that unites the beloveds into one flesh.”
Echoes of the sacred marriage can be found in the Song of Songs, directly linked with Solomon and describing love making. The title highlights it was the holiest of all songs, underlining its importance. Margaret Starbird has pointed out that there are strong parallels between the Song of Songs and poems to the Egyptian goddess Isis. Of course, both Solomon and Sheba and Isis and Osiris were twin souls, and hence able to experience the hieros gamos.

The hieros gamos should therefore be more appropriately labelled the reunion of twin souls, while incarnate in the body, through sexual activity, involving the active participation of the male and female aspect of God: “What God has put together, let no man separate.”

Those who have experienced such union find it largely impossible to describe – “beyond words”. …During this union, it is entirely possible that Asherah or El is more prominent in one partner than in the other….. During these encounters, the sexual activity exceeds – and is different from – a normal orgasm; it is normally more intense, prolonged and multiple, whereby the orgasm itself is more energetic, rather than physical. However, the presence of this divine energy should not be seen as a form of possession; normally, the human sexual energy is equally present, and the sexual experience is a balance and interplay between both energies.

These examples …make it clear that the quest of the hieros gamos is not open to anyone: it is only the bailiwick of twin souls. It is why Flamel noted that it was only possible to be performed with Perenelle, clearly not only his wife, but also his twin soul. It is also not so much ritual, but total union of body, mind and spirit: the two parts of one soul become united in the body, thus accomplishing in the body what they were at the beginning of time: a unity. The Great Work. And this union was “blessed” by the sacrament of the hieros gamos, in which God themselves, present at the separation of these souls at the beginning of time, reunited and blessed the two lovers. …

Because it is “restricted” to twin souls, the hieros gamos might not hold the sexual and ritual appeal that many would like to give it. But it is nevertheless the most important sacrament of all, as it was the completion of the quest of the soul in life: to find his twin soul and reunite, and within this love, continue their life, combined.

People who have experienced the hieros gamos agree that this is a unique experience. One person stated that during the hieros gamos, both partners experienced total orgasm, though this was without any physical activity – through a physical connection, the other partner experienced perfectly the sexual stimulation the other person was sending in the mind – in short, the partners were both not only reading the other person’s mind, but interacted within that mind – as one unity of cosmic consciousness. Another person described it as “utter bliss” or what “heaven” must have felt like. The feeling of “heaven on earth” may indeed be what the hieros gamos was all about: the twin souls in heaven, experiencing their divine union on earth. As above, so below? “
http://www.philipcoppens.com/hierosgamos.html

posted April 02, 2012 07:04 AM            

It is funny when I was 9 years old, a classmate would suddenly get a fit and start beating me and shouting at me that I was "not the queen of Sheba".
(I hadn´t done anything; she was used to tease me, and I simply, well, I didn`t pay that much attention to be honest, at least I did not get back at her).

And in that moment I suddenly was feeling extremely proud and regal inside and said to her: "But I was."
Then I struck her once across the cheek, and she never bothered me again (well she threatened to tell my mum and I simply said to her that she should go ahead and do that).

To this day I don`t know what it really was that pulled the trigger for me, well it was the mentioning of the queen of Sheba, that somehow felt like she was crossing an invisible line. But I have no clue WHY I reacted to that. She had called me very different and nastier names before, pinching me, kicking me, but that was what drew the line for me.

Now upon checking the asteroid SHEBA (1196) I find her to be on 27 Sagittarius in my chart, conjunct my Sun by 2 degrees and asteroid KING on 26 Sag and sharing the same 28th degree with SEKHMET, CIRCE, REIKI, and probably a bunch of others. LOL

Sorry, I don`t mean to derail your tzhread, but that just intrigued me.

posted April 02, 2012 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Wow, Ceri. That souds amazing and very rare that you have not one but TWO related twinsoul conjunctions placed so prominently in your chart. I can only think that integration of your yin/yang nature must be an important life theme for you. I wonder what would happen if you met someone who would activate these with a King/Sheba/Osiris/Isis aspect???

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Interestingly asteroid SOLOMIN (there is no Solomon, but I thought i`d try it, especially as it opposes ARABIA in my chart exactly) is in 27.46 Cancer in my 8th house, EXACTLY quinkunx SHEBA on 27.37 Sag in my 1st house (orb: 0°09).

And yes, integrating Yin-YAng is maybe THE most important theme in my life, at least when it comes to relationships and emotional issues.
With ISIS/OSIRIS on my Venus, and square Pluto, it also seems to indicate that I can`t simply fall in love like I sometimes see people do. Just to have an enjoyable time together.
For me I always need to feel that underlying "meaningfulness" and spiritual vibe. It may enhance the depth of feeling to a certain degree,b ut it also makes things VERY complicated.
Sometimes I`d like to just have these lovey-dovey feelings, bouncing happily and carelessly about a meadow without any thoughts at all. But for me it all seems to be so fraught with, well, meaning.
I know of course that love itself is meaningful enough, but I just can`t help it, it has that all-or-nothing feel for me (and usually I go for "nothing" true to my Aqua Moon`s liking for detachment).

There`s someone whose OSIRIS is widely opposing my ISIS (4 degrees), and his Draco SHEBA conjuncts my draco SOLOMIN exact.
Plus his Draco ISIS and KING oppose my Draco OSIRIS.

Someone else`s Draco ISIS is conjunct my tropical ISIS/OSIRIS-exact and his Sun-Moon-conjunction falls right onto my Sun-SHEBA-KING.

and his SHEBA falls onto my Moon, which looks kinda interesting.

posted April 02, 2012 08:27 AM            

Sun conjunct Moon
SHEBA opposite SOLOMIN (from Aries to Libra - 2nd to 8th house)
and ISIS widely conjunct OSIRIS (4 degrees)

my parents
(they may not be twinflames, but I guess they are soulmates at least):

in the composite:
SHEBA trines KING and quinkunx SOLOMIN exact

synastrically:
his Moon opposes her Sun
his OSIRIS opposes her ISIS exact
their SHEBA`s are opposite (with her SHEBA conjunct her Moon natally - which is probably how I inherited the SHEBA/Sun-conjunction and my Dad has SOLOMIN conjunct his Sun natally - )

I am infected now

checking some celebrity synastries and others:

Newman - Woodward
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composite:
SOLOMIN conjunct ASC And is quinkunx SHEBA in 7th house exact

Cash - Carter
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composite:
SHEBA conjunct Sun
SOLOMIN conjunct Moon
but no aspects to each other

synastricaly:
his ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction square her OSIRIS

Olivier - Leigh
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composite:
SHEBA conjunct KING on 27.3 Leo exact!!!

synastrically:
his ISIS opposite her OSIRIS

Mc Cartney
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none

Curie
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synastry:
his SHEBA widely opposite her SOLOMIN (almost 4 degrees though)

her SHEBA square his SOLOMIN
her SHEBA conjunct his KING exact!!!
(close to her MOon and his ASC)

Burton - Taylor
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none

Browning - Barrett-Browning
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composite:
SHEBA quinkunx SOLOMIN (but almost 3 degrees)

synastrically:
ISIS trine ISIS exact

Hearst - Davies
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composite:
SHEBA conjunct KING

synastrically:
his SHEBA trine her SOLOMIN
her SHEBA widely quiknkunx his SOLOMIN (a bit over 2 degrees)

posted April 02, 2012 01:52 PM            

Interestingly they also have his Adam trine her Eve. And in composite Mary opposes Yeshua (Jesus). LOL

But cutting back to the basics, the DW of Juno-Jupiter alone is not bad I think. AS well as the tight Pluto-Persephone and exact Isis-Osiris aspect on top of some of the planetary and ASC-aspects.

Another thing I noticed is that my natal saeems to mimick some of their paired asteroids.

the most striking example being
their synastric Isis-Osiris-opposition
my natal Isis-Osiris-conjunction

though there are others as well.

I must have been soaked in that energy field at home. lol

posted April 02, 2012 03:33 PM            

I've only just begun to look at asteroids and have a few questions either for you or Ceridwen.

1) Is the Isis/Osiris connection the only consideration for twin flames or are there others?

2) Does an exact semisq. bet. Isis and Osiris in synastry count?

3) In general, can mid-points be activated by asteroids?

Taineberry, some of what is described in the article, I have experienced w/ Mr. Pisces moon-

"the other partner experienced perfectly the sexual stimulation the other person was sending in the mind – in short, the partners were both not only reading the other person’s mind, but interacted within that mind"

Ceridwen,

"I can`t simply fall in love like I sometimes see people do. Just to have an enjoyable time together.
For me I always need to feel that underlying "meaningfulness" and spiritual vibe. It may enhance the depth of feeling to a certain degree,b ut it also makes things VERY complicated.
Sometimes I`d like to just have these lovey-dovey feelings, bouncing happily and carelessly about a meadow without any thoughts at all. But for me it all seems to be so fraught with, well, meaning.
I know of course that love itself is meaningful enough, but I just can`t help it, it has that all-or-nothing feel for me"

I completely relate to this, as I've been like this my whole life, from a very young age. Until I met Mr. Pisces moon, I'd never even been in love. And it was the same for him.

Although, what I feel for him is way beyond what the word love encapsulates. IDK it's difficult to describe.

Re: my relationship with him, my Mom had always known that this is how it would be for me and she described our entire relationship as 2 cobras mating, referring to an old story (presumably true) of how these cobras were so oblivious to the rest of the world that while mating they had fallen into a well and died. They later found ea. other in another rebirth, both remembering ea. other. Apparently, there was a movie made on these two, now humans.

This is why I'm asking if there are other indications of twin flames 'cause I only have an exact Isis/Osiris semisquare with him in synastry.

posted April 02, 2012 04:05 PM            

"Is the Isis/Osiris connection the only consideration for twin flames or are there others?"
No, of course not.

And also, just because an Isis-Osiris-conjunction exists, it doesn`t mean that people are twinflames.

There HAS to be a very tight ASC or DESC-connection.
Moon also needs to play a role.
ASpects highlighting complimentarity are paramount.

Something like her ASC conjunct his Eros and his ASC conjunct her Psyche for example.

Personally I start thinking that the soulmatecouples if they should mean anything, need to be connected to an axis, preferably ASC-DESC, or nodal axis or Moon or touching / falling into the 7th house.

There will be more than one soulmate couple, though it doesn´t have to be all. The soulmate couple aspects should be tight, within 2 degrees, and/or include at least one conjunction or opposition.

What is often underestimated is a connection ot the ruler of the waterhouses, especially the 8th house.
The fourth house is extremely important as well, but might highlight the belonging to a soulfamily and a family like soulconnection rather and the 12th house might relate to past lives and/or to the collective.
The 8th house on the other hand, is:
- in the relationship quadrant
- fixed
- water

which orients it towards personal intimate relationships, which are both long lasting (at least the effects are) as well as digging up deep soulstuff.

A connection from the 8th (rulership) to the 1st or 4th or also 7th house can be extremely deep.
But on its own I´d say it might indicate soulmate. For twinflames we really have to find complimentary energies.
(conjunctions/ oppositions of yin-Yang-energies/asteroids/planets within tight orb and preferably tied to the ASC-DESC-axis)

"2) Does an exact semisq. bet. Isis and Osiris in synastry count?"
Hm, I don´t know. To be honest it might be that if we start looking at all the minor aspects we might start grasping at straws.

Twinflames are defined as (at least I read that repeatedly) "same energy, expressed through YIN and YANG".

AS I see it, the signs represent the energy, Yin and Yang relates to the planets.
You can see from that, that the signbackground would be extremely important in this theory.
But the minor aspects are not related to signbackgrounds at all.

It is a different theory as how to arrive at aspects.

"3) In general, can mid-points be activated by asteroids?"
Yes. But I would stick to the theme oriented asteroids, like Isis or Osiris activating the Isis/Osiris-midpoint, and to conjunction and opposition.

I loved the story you told. It is very fascinating. Do you know what the name of the film is?

posted April 02, 2012 04:05 PM            

As far as indicators of soulmate pairings involving asteroids are concerned, IDK exactly, but I am mostly guided by what IQ has to say ... namely
Pluto aspect Persephone or Proserpine
Zeus aspect Hera
Eros aspect Psyche
Mars aspect Venus
Osiris aspect Isis
Adonis aspect Innanen

I am not sure about the semi-square. You would have to ask IQ, but I guess if you feel it.... then it is valid.

See his site at http://www.tamsoft.co.in/soulmates.html

Also see "The complete list of love and relationship" asteroids by IamLoved.

posted April 03, 2012 05:21 AM            

The earliest, ritualized, form of the Sacred Marriage I have found, dates back to ancient Sumeria, of the Goddess Inanna/Ishtar with Dumuzi-Adonis (Inanna /Ishtar became Aphrodite/Venus in Roman-greek and Dumuzi or Tammuz of course was adonis in that later mythological circle).

I think it definitely makes sense to look up these as well, though here it was frequently used as a fertiliity-ritual to ensure the prosperity of the land (and was being implemented by the current king and a highpriestess).

posted April 03, 2012 05:24 AM            

Quote from the article (my capitals) "To become whole again, we will need to relearn and remember our sovereign right to access INNER and OUTER Hieros Gamos." .... and ...."The Ascending Human accepts Hieros Gamos after inner balancing is perfected, manifests its expression into the physical as a Rod and Staff Union with its genetic equal, its Monadic Twin." - ie. You can't have one (heiros gamos with a twin soul) without the other (inner heiros gamos)happening first - I think this is what Ceri is alluding to, and shows prominently in her chart that her soul is ready for inner heiros gamos in its evolution (and consequently - outer as well).

posted April 03, 2012 06:30 AM            

I am at least working towards that goal. Inner completion I mean. That has to come first. Definitely.
I have moments when I am there, feels like being totally living from one`s "soul-centre" and is the most awesome feeling ever, though feeling natural and serene and that unity within oneself somehow spreads in the form of allencompassiong love to the outside.

Unfortunately I am not constantly there. But at least I know how it feels for moments and I seem to always being led back to that place.

I find it very funny that you were posting that thread yesterday, as just the day before I had been talking to a friend about this, Isis-Osiris, sacred marriage, twinflames, and why Eros/Psyche and Isis/Osiris feel "different" than other soulmate couples.

And I also had the hypothesis that to be ready for or experience a twinflame union, you need to have these aspects natally, too, and this probably will direct you to the KIND of soulmate couple that is most relevant to you.

I think though that it does not always have to be a direct pairing, but sometimes you will find something like Sootyo conjunct ASC and Soomana conjunct Moon, which shows that this couple is integrated and connected to your identity objects.

I might even go so far to say that your twinflame, if ready for the hieros gamos, needs to resonate with this natally as well, probably even the same, but I am not sure about that totally.

It would at least explain why a soulmate couple in conjunction in synastry sometimes does not seem to mean anything for both persons. It could be that it does not resonate with their natals, and therefore does not hit the "right frequency". As if there isa message sent (through the conjunction in synastry), but noone is at the speakers to receive the message, you know?

posted April 03, 2012 06:57 AM            

my Transits:

Tr PALLAS exact conjunct my natal Juno/Draco Valentine on 16 Pisces
"An Easter Parade"

(Don`t you just love the clarity of astrology? )

Tr KARMA absolutely precisely conjunct my natal DESC on 7 Gemini (just minutes off my Dr Moon as well)

TR NN and Tr Juno both conjunct my ASC by half a degree
my ASC has the Sabian

Within The Depths Of The Earth New Elements Are Being Formed

Tr NN and Tr Juno are already on the next or prior degree
Cupid Knocks At The Door Of A Human Heart

Tr Pluto is conjunct my natal Isis-Osiris-Spirit and pr ASC and pr Proserpina, and will go retrograde again, being on the EXACT degree of natal ISIS, pr ASC and pr Proserpina on the weekend of 8th-10th june

"An Angel Carrying A Harp"

And then will turn direct again on the very same degree my Venus is on (and of course transit this Isis-Osiris-degree again)
A Veiled Prophet Speaks, Seized By The Power Of A God

I guess these are insightful and important times for me.

posted April 03, 2012 07:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Ceri, I think I understand what you mean exactly. This is my feeling too! That I am just about "ripe" to experience that kind of soul connection, but somehow the only person who I believed this could be possible with is not quite there yet in HIS inner development .... so it can't happen properly (maybe next lifetime, if you believe in that?). The connection is only potential at the moment, not quite plugged in.

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Yes, I resonate with that strongly.

Though at times I am also unsure if I am REALLY ready.
And then at other times I know that I am, that it is just outdated emotional mechanisms holding me back.
I guess I have to heal these first which is why I am looking forward to the Venus retograde. I feel it might support this.

I think I already have come a long way, but there are still some steps to go.
Also I have detached from dreams and expectations. I really am trying to go with the flow and listen to my instincts and inner feelings, even if that means that the one I thought would be the one, might not be the one at all. You know what I mean?

To be honest I feel free for the very first time in my life, emotionally free, n ot being fraught with these hopes and expectations (which really are probalby just born by THOUGHTS rather than true feelings, though you never know).

And I am completely trusting that I am being guided, I try to stay within myself and listen to my body and my soul and reconcile my mind with my body, heart and soul, as they are not speaking the same language.
And I am pretty much observing, myself, but also what happens around me, and I am very certain that the universe or my guides will show me what is important and right.
And when I hear the crows screeching (as they are doing at this time) I know that I am nearing a threshold, maybe a crossroad again (they always appear in these times), and when strange opportunities fall into my lap, I seize them and try not to be overwhelmed by overanalyzing things (which I still do I fear. lol) and especially not by avoiding these due to doubts and insecurities and old fears.

posted April 03, 2012 01:07 PM            

I love EVERY Word in your reply.

I want to print it out, make it bigger, frame it and hang it on every wall, so everyone can read it everywhere.

" I really believe that is where we go wrong as expectations are really projections onto another person of something that is not whole in oneself."
That is the whole truth! At least it feels like MY truth.

""with the flow and listen(ing) to my instincts and inner feelings". "
I find this to be important.
Actually a hallucination /daydream taught me that. Funny how even my daydreams are lecturing me.
I was once again battling with my incapacity to access my emotions and fight my doubts and find out if it is real what I feel or if I just WANT to feel and my strong mind and Neptune is making me believe what i feel is real, when in fact it is just a construct of what i wish. (I often don`t make much sense in my daydreams either. lol)

But he was not allowing me to wallow in that selfperception that I am simply not able to discern the truth from fiction and that I will never know what I feel. Instead he said to me: "Every feeling that is true vibrates deep inside your body. Listen to your bodily reaction. Your body never lies. And if you think you are in love, but can`t feel it hum deep down inside of you, then you aren´t. It`s so simple."

(well yeah for an actor it is maybe. lol But hallucination or not, I heed his advice and it made my life so much better.)

" And how can two souls merge when they are holding back on their authenticity?"
Exactly.

" It would be so amazing to connect with someone with so much trust that you don't feel the need to have to create conditions or expectations to "hold" on to them or tie them into some kind of package that makes you feel safe "
Oh yes I know what you mean. But there is this trouble of if you felt it once, you want to feel it again, you expect to feel it again, et voila, you get caught up in the same pattern.

I once asked my mom if she was still in love with my Dad (she was rather uncomfortable with discussing it with me, understandably ), but my wise mom said: "No; but now and then he does something, sais something or just smiles in a certain way and I am falling in love with him again. It`s not like I`ve stayed in love with him all that time, but now and then it happens AGAIN."

I thought that was incredibly wise and truthful, even though I could not really grasp it at the time she told me that.

posted April 03, 2012 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
I think that hallucination was your higher self.

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LOL
Then my Higher Self must look like Alexander Skarsgard.