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hypatia238
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posted November 23, 2015 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aubyanne
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posted November 23, 2015 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh! I've been thinking about this lately, H. And the more I'm looking at it again, wow, yeah ... it makes SO much sense.

We've got weird access to a LOT together, he and I.

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posted November 23, 2015 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh! Always resonated with the whole thing ever since i first heard the term.

Akash is at 23 Cancer and Records is retrograde at 24 Cancer in my chart.

Will start incorporating this Thank you!

For my present synastric interest (?) we've composite Juno conjunct Akash... makes sense to me that things can be accessed through exploring Juno themes...

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posted November 23, 2015 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the composite Records is at 0 Gemini, 8 degrees behind Juno/Akash at 8/9 Gemini. My Vertex is 6 Gemini. My Jupiter is 2 Gemini and his Venus is 28 Taurus. So there's that. It's all... something. For him Akash opposes Pluto.

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posted November 23, 2015 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I plugged these two into our synastry to see what came up. Interesting discovery.

We have:
Mine / His
Akashi trine Records, 1°

Composite:
Akashi quintile Records, 1°20

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posted December 31, 2015 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The day I met my Ex transit Sun was exact on our composite Akash and transit records was exact on our composite vertex.

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posted December 31, 2015 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How relevant are you guys finding this to be in synastry?

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posted December 31, 2015 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Akashi - Uranus in the 12th conjuncts my Sun (1) and Mercury (0)
My Records square his Vertex (0)
My Akashi square his Mars (0)
Akashi sextile Akashi (0)
The two of our Akashi make an exact Yod to my BML.. if you can include BML in Yods.

And... Records conjunct Records at 0.15˚??
I wonder if it's slow moving?

His are both retrograde.

In draconic synastry it's.. My Akashi opposite his Records (2) and his Akashi square my Records (1)

His Akashi conjunct my Anti-Vertex (0) and Vesta (1) and trine my Karma (2).
My Akashi squares his Neptune (0) and ASC (2).
Akashi trine Saturn both ways (1-2).

My Records conjunct his Jupiter (0) sextile Mars (2)
His Records trine my ASC (0) trine Mercury (2) trine Sun (3).

I don't know why this intrigues me so much.. I guess I just feel like he is definitely accessing some hidden part of my earthly existence.

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posted December 31, 2015 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With my husband, composite Akashi-Neptune conjunction, less than 1º.

With ex-soulmate, composite Akashi-sun conjunction, less than 1º.

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posted December 31, 2015 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are other exact/tight aspects besides conjunctions and more stuff in draconics too, but do you think the following aspects are VERY significant?

In Davison: Sun and Mercury conjunct Records; Akashi conjunct Union and Neptune

In Composite: Akashi conjunct Moira

In tropical synastry:
His Akashi/Records exact trine to my Sun and Uranus
His Akashi/Records conjunct my Moira
My Akashi conjunct his Skuld and possibly his Vertex
My Records conjunct his Karma


Happy New Year everyone


please don't quote, thank you.

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posted January 01, 2016 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, loffra has the conjunction of AKASHI and RECORDS within 4 minutes with her boyfriend. They've not had any 'past life' recalls, or astral travel experiences together.

Hmmmm.

Well, there's one strongly against. 4 minutes. That's a VERY tight conjunction. And it's doing nothing? Damn.

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posted January 01, 2016 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
So, loffra has the conjunction of AKASHI and RECORDS within 4 minutes with her boyfriend. They've not had any 'past life' recalls, or astral travel experiences together.

Hmmmm.

Well, there's one strongly against. 4 minutes. That's a VERY tight conjunction. And it's doing nothing? Damn.


Not every one recalls their dreams or past lifes yet that doesn't mean they havent had past lifes or dont dream or astral travel.

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posted January 01, 2016 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Not every one recalls their dreams or past lifes yet that doesn't mean they havent had past lifes or dont dream or astral travel.

It's not that, as much as I'd assume -- if this was really a reliable marker-type aspect -- that we'd be seeing this kind of active behaviour between a couple.

Of course we all have alternate lifelines, dreams, and -- potentially -- astral travel experiences. So, I'd think that if this aspect was indicative of such, we'd be seeing it.

Otherwise, I'm not seeing it IN those synastries with couples which ARE experiencing these things. So, that's ... discouraging.

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posted January 01, 2016 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sunnya:
My Records conjunct his Karma

I'm starting to wonder about this one. That popped into my head earlier. What about RECORDS with other points? Like KARMA, especially. Maybe HYNPOS. We've got a HYPNOS conjunct HYPNOS-RECORDS. And the conjunction is technically from my 12H conjunct my ASC. So, that's intriguing.

We should look into the transdimensional and multidimensional points with RECORDS ... TARDIS, INTERKOSMOS (perhaps), MADHATTER, HATTA -- maybe even LIDDELL and HEKATE.

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posted January 01, 2016 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's not that, as much as I'd assume -- if this was really a reliable marker-type aspect -- that we'd be seeing this kind of active behaviour between a couple.

Of course we all have alternate lifelines, dreams, and -- potentially -- astral travel experiences. So, I'd think that if this aspect was indicative of such, we'd be seeing it.

Otherwise, I'm not seeing it IN those synastries with couples which ARE experiencing these things. So, that's ... discouraging.


I see Akashi-Records as evidence that you are an old soul natally and in synastry if you have this prominent natally as well as evidence that you two have known each other since possibly the very beginning. I have it draco to tropic with my ex and the day we met Records was on our composite vertex and Sun was on our composite Akashi. We also have Records square Records exact and my Records on my Northnode and his Records on his AC all exact.

Since most people statistically don't have past life recalls or experience astral travel I don't feel that these aspects' validity can be fairly tested with that as a criteria as an instrument of measurement, I would feel the results would be skewed and not representative.

A better criteria is that familiar feeling you get when you just met yet you feel you have known them forever or that instant strong desire to merge bc you have been lovers life after life since the beginning of time but that last feeling can be explained if probably the combination of many aspects and points intermingling.

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posted January 01, 2016 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm starting to wonder about this one. That popped into my head earlier. What about RECORDS with other points? Like KARMA, especially. Maybe HYNPOS. We've got a HYPNOS conjunct HYPNOS-RECORDS. And the conjunction is technically from my 12H conjunct my ASC. So, that's intriguing.

We should look into the transdimensional and multidimensional points with RECORDS ... TARDIS, INTERKOSMOS (perhaps), MADHATTER, HATTA -- maybe even LIDDELL and HEKATE.


Yup, that is really intriguing. I am not sure precisely what to make of it yet.

I am going to check the other asteroids you mentioned.

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posted January 01, 2016 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm starting to wonder about this one. That popped into my head earlier. What about RECORDS with other points? Like KARMA, especially. Maybe HYNPOS. We've got a HYPNOS conjunct HYPNOS-RECORDS. And the conjunction is technically from my 12H conjunct my ASC. So, that's intriguing.

We should look into the transdimensional and multidimensional points with RECORDS ... TARDIS, INTERKOSMOS (perhaps), MADHATTER, HATTA -- maybe even LIDDELL and HEKATE.


I definitely can see that records aspecting other points is very telling like my records conjunct my northnode and his MC exact and squares exact his AC and opposes exact his IC. All this keeping in mind that my records conjunct his draco akashi exact.


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posted January 01, 2016 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@hypatia I missed your post. You made some really good points.

I can see especially with Karma involved (and other important points) being another marker for how much two souls path have been intertwined since the very beginning.

The familiarity is crazy even without even talking with them. There is just a recognition impossible to convey in "rational" terms.

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posted January 01, 2016 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 01, 2016 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
A better criteria is that familiar feeling you get when you just met yet you feel you have known them forever or that instant strong desire to merge bc you have been lovers life after life since the beginning of time but that last feeling can be explained if probably the combination of many aspects and points intermingling.

But that can be attributed to SO many other things. One's SNODE conjunct the other's points, or strong VALENTINE and KARMA patterns. Apparently VENUS and PLUTO aspects are a part of that, too.

I dunno. I think if something is representing the Akashic Records in astrology, there ought to be this kind of strong evidence.

Otherwise, AKASHI (my mistake -- it isn't AKASH, as it is AKASHI) very well may relate to the Japanese prefecture more than Akash, or Akashic. And THAT could explain the lacklustre results.

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posted January 01, 2016 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sunnya,

I'm new to HATTA, but I know for a fact it was named for the character in Lewis Carroll's Through The Looking Glass (And What Alice Found There), which, being written by a logician and mathematician stumbling into quantum physics in the 19th century -- is pretty telling.

Charles Dodgson, for whom the nom de plume of Carroll was used, had become fascinated with multidimensionality in the years leading up to, and following Alice's publication in 1865. Most don't realise it, and wouldn't unless they studied the man, his work, and his last works, the largely unknown Sylvie and Bruno which was overtly dealing with transdimensional plotlines, and exploring the nature of reality. (Yeah. The Matrix has nothing on Dodgson.)

So what's up with Hatta?

Well, he's one of a few things:

• a soul fragment of Carroll himself which is expressing in both Wonderland (as the Hatter) and Looking Glass Land (as Hatta)

• Hatter in Looking Glass Land as another version of himself, aware of it, and simply using the name Hatta -- but it's unlikely

• Hatter who's been taken to LGL by the March Hare who's completely removed his knowledge of his existence in Wonderland as the Hatter. (And why? To escape execution for murdering the Time?)

So far, I'm thinking he's a soul fragment of Carroll who's always been leading an alternate existence in another dimension.

BUT. Jack made a very good observation which, I realise, CAN'T be in error. That Hatta's hat is the SAME as the Hatter's in terms of orientation -- though everything in LGL is the exact mirror, and thus, opposite. But if Hatta is the Hatter (which Carroll / Dodgson in his way, makes rather clear that he is) then he doesn't know or remember it. At all.

HOWEVER ... he's got the Hatter's hat, AND Hatta was recently released from prison for a crime that's never mentioned, but Haigha (the March Hare) alludes to that he knows. How could he know of the crime committed in Wonderland (murdering the Time) if he's not ALSO aware of the other dimension? Plus, it's made equally clear that Haigha IS the March Hare, even though they're never mentioned as having ever been anything but the King's messengers -- rather than a Hatter and whatever the March Hare did as a trade. It's never stated.

So, I'M thinking ...

If the Hatter can travel dimensionally, there's awareness. BUT, the issue is, when he's there, he LOSES awareness. He knew he went, but once he's there, he's forgotten all of it.

I think with HATTA we can gain insight into alternate lifelines which we're not actively observing. Hopefully, it can provide insight so that we can know some of what's going on 'over there' -- through sign, house, aspects, and so on.

Now. You BOTH have HATTA conjunct INTERKOSMOS? Hah! That's pretty potent. Sounds like that's a strong multidimensional marker, with the kicker being, you don't have awareness. I'll have to think more on how INTERKOSMOS affects HATTA.

RECORDS is interesting here, too. So you have records. Hmmmm. I wonder how. And of what. Maybe HYPNOS or SOMNIUM are involved? You may have records through dream?

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posted January 01, 2016 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
But that can be attributed to SO many other things. One's SNODE conjunct the other's points, or strong VALENTINE and KARMA patterns. Apparently VENUS and PLUTO aspects are a part of that, too.

I dunno. I think if something is representing the Akashic Records in astrology, there ought to be this kind of strong evidence.

Otherwise, AKASHI (my mistake -- it isn't AKASH, as it is AKASHI) very well may relate to the Japanese prefecture more than Akash, or Akashic. And THAT could explain the lacklustre results.



I completely agree and I think that yes you could be right that Akashi is not referring to Akash as that i in the end indicates that to me. Further I am more impressed with Records aspects as an indicator of long history.

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posted January 02, 2016 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Auby Brilliant observation. Thank you so much for this.

I agree about everything you said, do you think Hatter could also be Carrol's alter ego?

I also thought about the number he has on his hat... It's a 10 and a 6 right? I am wondering if numerology can give some light here, but this is just a wild guess.

Dreams yes... daydreaming too.
You are right most of the times I am not conscious of what is in fact happening (I don't think he either), but I am usually aware of the dreams (lucid dreams). Everything is usually too real and even when I "snap out of it", I am left with the sensations and feelings of the experience, sometimes as if it's hard to distinguish one plane from the other.

RECORDS... I think this suggests we have a done this together many, many times before and we continue to do so?

His Somnium square my Moon, Pluto, Union
sextile my Amor (?)
trines Destinn exact

My Somnium trines his Moon, Valentine
bQ his Mercury exact
squares his Mars and Chiron
conjuncts his SN exact

No RECORDS but bang on on his SN. Wow.

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posted January 02, 2016 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I completely agree and I think that yes you could be right that Akashi is not referring to Akash as that i in the end indicates that to me. Further I am more impressed with Records aspects as an indicator of long history.

Exactly. I would've loved to have an 'Akash' or even 'Akasha'. Something relating to the Akashic, rather than a Japanese prefecture. But I agree that RECORDS feels very solid. I think we can use this in a variety of ways.

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posted January 02, 2016 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

We should look into the transdimensional and multidimensional points with RECORDS ... TARDIS, INTERKOSMOS (perhaps), MADHATTER, HATTA -- maybe even LIDDELL and HEKATE.

Me - Him

Sun-Mercury-HATTA conj. his retro HATTA(0)-Uranus in his 12th, square his KARMA (2)

HATTA sq. Moon (2)

SOMNIUM conj. Moon (1) trine Mercury (0) square Venus (3) trine Mars (2) square Uranus (2) opposite KARMA (1)

MADHATTER conj. SOMNIUM (3, conj. Mars (2),

INTERKOSMOS conj. ASC (1) conj. Neptune (1) opposite PSYCHE (0) square TARDIS (2) square RECORDS (4), quintile Jupiter (0)

TARDIS bq. Mercury (0), square Mars (2) conjunct ALICE (2) sextile INTERKOSMOS (3) square SOMNIUM (3)

RECORDS conj. RECORDS (0) square Neptune (2), sextile PALLAS (2), sextile HYPNOS (1), quintile INTERKOSMOS (0)


That's not even all of it. Interesting links..

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