posted November 11, 2014 07:37 AM            

I think it's really important since Asc stands for appearance and is an angle.

I just checked it with an intense affair:

- my asc trines/sextiles the rulers of his 5h
- my asc squares his venus
- my asc opposes his moon
- my asc conjuncts his following midpoints:
Mars - Pluto
ASC - Sun
Mars -Uranus

- my asc opposes his following midpoints:
Chiron - Juno
Ceres - Venus

- my asc squares his following midpoints:
Sun - Venus

posted November 11, 2014 08:04 AM            

In our synastry we have:

My ASC opposite his Venus 1
My ASC trine his Jupiter 1
My ASC opposite his BML 1
My ASC square his Uranus 0
My ASC sextile his Saturn 2
My ASC ruler Mercury opposite his ASC ruler Sun 6
My ASC ruler square his Jupiter 1
My ASC ruler sextile his Uranus 0

His ASC conjunct my Jupiter 4
His ASC quincunx my Uranus 0
His ASC conjunct my SN 0
His ASC sextile my MC 0
His ASC ruler trine my Jupiter 4
His ASC ruler square my Uranus 0
His ASC ruler square my Neptune 5
His ASC ruler sextile my MC 0

I find him really attractive, like he's really my type. I don't know what he really thinks about me, because i can't get into his head, lol, but he compliments me a lot.

posted November 11, 2014 08:52 AM            

The nature of the aspect shows the type of reaction, but I think all aspects connected to the ASC potentially show what he likes about you.

I strongly disagree with the idea that squares are separative/what we don't like: squares are potentially separative in the sense that they cause a strong reaction and a need to ACT upon something. They are very tense. A square feels like an event.

Only the planets can be separative, in one of their meanings: for example Saturn has a separative connotation (rejection, austerity). Even a Saturn conjunction can be separative if Saturn manifests this way. But Saturn is also craving, wanting to control/own. Uranus can be separative in one of its meanings. A Sun opp Uranus can lead to the Uranus person breaking free from the Sun at some point. But it ca also lead to the Uranus person feeling free and original in the presence of the Sun person, always, and stay there because of that. Pluto can be repulsed by the other's submission or by the power the other has over them, no matter the aspect.

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posted November 11, 2014 09:21 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

The nature of the aspect shows the type of reaction, but I think all aspects connected to the ASC potentially show what he likes about you.

It is very likely, IMO, that someone touching your ASC axis with his Venus or Mars in a hard aspect to be much more physically attracted to you from the beginning and in a powerful way than someone trining your ASC with these planets. The trine will find you beautiful/attractive with time, by knowing you progressively.

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Really? I thought venus sq asc means = you are maybe fascinating but not really my type. Ok, obviously my crush liked my looks

posted November 11, 2014 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:

But what aspects could indicate that your crush/partner would not be turned on by ur looks?

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IMO, the lack of aspects

but the whole synstry counts, so you being his type or not .

Speaking only of the ASC though, one important thing to mention is the 1st house overlay: a 1st house overlay is a very good placement because it shows those people like each other in terms of the planet there (of course with the possible difficulties bruoght by the two-faced planets lol like Saturn and Pluto - for example saturn there could actually criticize the ASC, but not necessarily). The planet person is very attracted to the looks/personality of the 1st house it visits; the 1st house feels admired, appreciated, liked by the 1st house visiting planet and feels in their own element with them - they notice that planet a lot, because it falls on their front porch, they are like the paparazzi on your front porch hahaha Venus in 1st for example, every time he sees the 1st house, wants to take a pic and frame it lol in turns, 1st feels like a star in the presence of Venus

Mars in 1st every time he sees the 1st wants to touch or push or pinch or wrestle or mmmm you know! the 1st house. The 1st house feels sexy and attractive and manly or a sexy fox in the presence of Mars 1st house also notices the other's Mars strongly, so in a way 1st house overlays have very strong mutuality IMO, one of the best overlay out there, if not the best.

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posted November 11, 2014 09:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I agree with Ceri, but see it a bit differently. ALL aspects show a connection, the aspects that are missing show what he doesn't like or is indifferent to.

The nature of the aspect shows the type of reaction, but I think all aspects connected to the ASC potentially show what he likes about you.

I strongly disagree with the idea that squares are separative/what we don't like: squares are potentially separative in the sense that they cause a strong reaction and a need to ACT upon something. They are very tense. A square feels like an event.

Only the planets can be separative, in one of their meanings: for example Saturn has a separative connotation (rejection, austerity). Even a Saturn conjunction can be separative if Saturn manifests this way. But Saturn is also craving, wanting to control/own. Uranus can be separative in one of its meanings. A Sun opp Uranus can lead to the Uranus person breaking free from the Sun at some point. But it ca also lead to the Uranus person feeling free and original in the presence of the Sun person, always, and stay there because of that. Pluto can be repulsed by the other's submission or by the power the other has over them, no matter the aspect.

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I totally agree with that. to every dot. So why do you think i don`t?

posted November 11, 2014 09:46 AM            

EDIT: the trine also means he perceives you as familiar, the kind of beauty/personality that doesn't surprise you, doesn't cause a striking reaction but it's attractive because it's "familiar". Now it all depends on how attracted people are to familiar patterns, how attracted people are to trine energy, and this is shown by their chart.

It seems antagonistic with what I said above, but in fact, this person will first perceive you like his sister or his mother lol or someone very familiar but his attraction will probably grow in time, there will be a gradual discovery of your qualities. Or you could become boring at some point lol I guess it all depends on the rest of the synastry, how strong the attraction in there really is, one aspect can't tell us everything. And how much he likes trines to his Venus and Mars.

posted November 11, 2014 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I totally agree with that. to every dot. So why do you think i don`t?

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I knew it!

posted November 11, 2014 09:56 AM            

opposite my Eros/Valentine
opposite my Saturn / Amor
opposite my Uranus/cupido*
opposite my Mars/Saturn
opposite my Eros/amor*

square my Moon/Uranus
square my Jupiter/Pluto
square my Sun/Mercury
square my Juno/MC

My ASC:
conjunct his Mercury (DESC and IC-ruler)
square his Mars-Jupiter-Amor (4-3-2)
square his Eros (1)

square his Mars/NN

conjunct his uranus/Neptune
conjunct his Uranus / cupido*
conjunct his Sun/Valentine
conjunct his Venus/Pluto
conjunct his Eros/Amor*
conjnct his Valentine/MC

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* obviously that is relevant for the composite.

c-Uranus/Cupido on 1 Scorpio squares c-ASC on 1 Aquarius (and conjuncts c-union on 29 Libra).

posted November 11, 2014 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
With some of the actors I find handsome I (probably) have this:
Saturn and NN sextile ASC, Mars opposite ASC
Saturn and Venus square ASC, Moon conjunct ASC
Venus conjunct ASC, Jupiter opposite ASC
Pluto square ASC, Antivertex conjunct ASC

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posted November 11, 2014 10:16 AM            

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who is who?

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posted November 11, 2014 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I donīt know, you did not post his ASC.
But with your ASC-DESC making a Grand Cross with his Moon and Venus (what did these rule for him?) you must have had a tremendous impact on him.
and with mars/Pluto, o la la.

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posted November 11, 2014 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]who is who?

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The one with his asc on ur venus: do you find him beautiful?

sq ur pluto: sexual attraction?

posted November 11, 2014 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I donīt know, you did not post his ASC.
But with your ASC-DESC making a Grand Cross with his Moon and Venus (what did these rule for him?) you must have had a tremendous impact on him.
and with mars/Pluto, o la la.

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Ah, u meant me

His asc does not do that much in my chart, except a wide square to my venus, trine to my juno and conjuncting my sun neptune mdp.

posted November 11, 2014 11:22 AM            

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The one with his asc on ur venus: do you find him beautiful?

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sq ur pluto: sexual attraction?

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antivertex conjunct: soulmate feelings?

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posted November 11, 2014 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Really? I thought venus sq asc means = you are maybe fascinating but not really my type. Ok, obviously my crush liked my looks

But what aspects could indicate that your crush/partner would not be turned on by ur looks? And what aspects would prove the opposite?

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posted November 11, 2014 12:07 PM            

What we should do first, IMO, is to check the natal aspects related to that ASC connection.

Let's talk about a guy's Mars and Venus: Mars would be the woman he's very much attracted to in a physical manner, the one he finds sexy, the one pushing his manly buttons, the one he would ravish lol, regardless he finds her beautiful or not. Venus is the girl he finds beautiful, graceful, appealing, but he may not be physically attracted to her: she's like a nice painting to look at plus inspiring warmth feelings of affection and ultimately love. But the two feelings, Mars feelings and Venus feelings are quite distinctive.

So Venus: affection attraction, love an beauty. Finding someone beautiful and nice.
Mars - strong physical carnal attraction. Finding someone sexy.

If we see in the guy's natal that he has a Mars in Aqua trine Jupiter in Libra for instance, as his only Mars aspect, we know he finds mutable cheerful perhaps a bit round or sportish girls sexy and we also know he will be the most attracted to a girl with ASC/Venus in Gem/Sag he will generally find air girls (air bodies) the sexiest, but this one really does it for him. If we give her a Taurus ASC, even if his own Venus is in Taurus, he will not be as sexually attracted to this girl as he is to the Gem/Sag princess. ( a simplified way of looking at the matter, since the combo of aspects counts, of course).

But if we look at this guy's natal and we see he has cardinal Mars sq Jupiter in his own natal, we can give him a trine from ASC to his Mars to no avail; this guy will be the most attracted to a Cardinal ASC girl. If he has a T/square, the most attractive placement will be the missing leg.

The same goes for Venus, of course.
To give my own example: I have only hard aspects to my Venus: Venus opp Jupiter sq Neptune sq Eros - I will always find as the most beautiful and love-inspiring people with a mutable ASC; because my cross is complete, anyone in the four points will do.

I'll come back with some celebrity examples

EDIT: the difference in aspects will be about how they are felt. A guy/gal who needs a trine to his Mars or Venus to feel attracted, prefers the warm, familiar, sneaky lol time-taking not so hot and exciting and devastating feeling brought by a trine.

A guy who needs a square to his Mars or Venus needs the intensity, compulsion, agitation, impetus, strong physical impact brought by an ASC squaring his Mars or Venus (or by the other hard aspects). A trine will never do it for him. If he has an opposition, such as Mars opp Jupiter, or Venus opp Neptune, it's the square doing it for him, the most sexually attractive ASC will be in square.

It is interesting to notice people with Venus sq Mars in their natal. They do not accept trines or sextiles to that lol only hard aspects.
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