|
Author
|
Topic: How could Pluto have the power?
|
manderin
Knowflake Posts: 299
From: New York, NY USA
Registered: Nov 2013
|
posted November 26, 2014 02:05 PM
  
I've read that in synastry contacts involving Pluto- especially Pluto/Moon and Pluto/Venus contacts, the pluto person is the one with the power, but how can this be when Pluto stays in the exact same spot for ages? Which means the planet person will have that aspect to the pluto of everyone in their generation. Everyone from my generation has a strong contact with my moon. I don't feel like everyone I meet that's around my age is obsessed with me or trying to control me.It would make more sense to me if it is the Pluto person that is more affected since Pluto will only have those contacts with people born on specific days of a specific year. IP: Logged |
Koho
Knowflake Posts: 141
From: New York
Registered: Jun 2014
|
posted November 26, 2014 02:18 PM
This is a concept I've always struggled over too. Can't wait to see the replies.I don't have as much of an understanding of the outer planets but I do have experience with one of the lesser outer outer planets People born around 1990 or so, around late summer or early fall have a Saturn that square my Venus in Synastry. I've historically had trouble dating these people simply due to bad timing over and over. So it's not much of a personality dynamic, but more of a 'universal' thing? Maybe Pluto functions the same way? Ah, I'm talking crap. Hopefully someone more learned comes around
IP: Logged |
manderin
Knowflake Posts: 299
From: New York, NY USA
Registered: Nov 2013
|
posted November 26, 2014 02:23 PM
Well, I think Saturn is different because it only stays in a sign for 2.5 years and within that sign it probably only squares your planet for about a year or so. And yes- that is longer than most planets, but that's not generational. Plenty of people get together that are 4 or 5 years apart. In fact, according to a statistic I read, most romantic relationships have a 6 year or less age gap.Pluto on the other hand stays in the same sign for about 15 years! And it will square your personal planets for at least several years- so everyone you ever went to school with including those in the grades below you and above you. So basically- most people you are likely to interact with in your life. IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
Knowflake Posts: 1273
From:
Registered: Sep 2013
|
posted November 26, 2014 04:06 PM
I know exactly what you mean! I have moon square pluto in my chart so I have it with everyone around my age, give or take x (6-7?) years either way. I don't particularly feel this aspect effects my relationships except with my mother. And interestingly we don't have any moon/pluto contacts but she herself also has her nMoon square her nPluto. IP: Logged |
Koho
Knowflake Posts: 141
From: New York
Registered: Jun 2014
|
posted November 26, 2014 09:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by manderin:
Well, I think Saturn is different because it only stays in a sign for 2.5 years and within that sign it probably only squares your planet for about a year or so. And yes- that is longer than most planets, but that's not generational. Plenty of people get together that are 4 or 5 years apart. In fact, according to a statistic I read, most romantic relationships have a 6 year or less age gap.Pluto on the other hand stays in the same sign for about 15 years! And it will square your personal planets for at least several years- so everyone you ever went to school with including those in the grades below you and above you. So basically- most people you are likely to interact with in your life.
I know. You're absolutely right. Just drawing a parallel. It's definitely more personal than Pluto but I don't really regard Saturn as a personal planet and the effects it has on my synastry encounters don't seem to be psychology based but more often just something else. I'm having a little trouble describing what I mean. Maybe I'm trying to say this - Saturn covers a decent range of people as well and so far it does have a recurring effect in synastry that I've noticed that isn't psychology based. Let's get off Saturn though cause I don't wanna derail your thread cause it is a very good question IP: Logged |
Solar_Leo_Queen
Knowflake Posts: 1843
From: Planet Earth
Registered: Jan 2014
|
posted November 26, 2014 11:13 PM
Mostly everyone in my Pluto generation squares my Venus. I have almost never felt like I was the one being controlled, instead I feel like I'm the one usually being controlling and possessive over guys I meet. I've also had compelling effects on guys (not gonna lie). I've caused one guy to cheat, one to break up with his girlfriend for me (that sounds bad but it was his own decision, I was completely unaware of the girlfriend), and one to do drugs and ruin his life after our breakup. The only time I ever felt like I was being manipulated was with this one guy--the same guy who cheated. Then again, we had a Mars-Saturn opposition.And this is why I also don't get the effect of generational planets. I personally think that those people who have their personal planets in contact with other people's generational planets, would have more of an impact on the relationship and how the energy manifestation of the planets. I say this because it's what I've seen so far. IP: Logged |
VelvetPriestess
Knowflake Posts: 94
From:
Registered: Apr 2012
|
posted November 28, 2014 08:48 PM
My research shows that the planets, while having general characteristics, Neptune and Venus attract feelings, Pluto does the feeling, etc.. it does depend on what touches what in what way. So Pluto becomes obsessed with the Sun (in some cases) but not with Saturn.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Moderator Posts: 8137
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
|
posted November 29, 2014 06:14 AM
That is a good question. I think it all depends on the place of Pluto in the natal chart. Some people are characterized as being "Plutonian" and there's even at least one scoresheet somewhere about it. Technically, the more Plutonian is the one behaving in a Plutonian way (including the obsessive part). On the other hand, the more Plutonian could be the one in control because they master power games better. So it's on a case by case basis, you look at the synastry and their natals, and you can determine who's overpowering who.The house Pluto rules is also important -ruling the 3rd, for instance, means the person has a Plutonian mind and this includes obsession, manipulative tendencies etc. - as a not-so-good side of a Plutonian mind. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Moderator Posts: 8137
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
|
posted November 29, 2014 06:15 AM
quote:
Originally posted by VelvetPriestess:
My research shows that the planets, while having general characteristics, Neptune and Venus attract feelings, Pluto does the feeling, etc.. it does depend on what touches what in what way. So Pluto becomes obsessed with the Sun (in some cases) but not with Saturn.
This is a good point. So have you identified the pairings of this theory? ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
VelvetPriestess
Knowflake Posts: 94
From:
Registered: Apr 2012
|
posted November 29, 2014 11:39 AM
Yes LeeLoo, I've identified some.Saturn tends to attract rather than be attracted, but does get attracted by Juno. Juno is usually the loved-up one, and adores Uranus, Jupiter and others. Jupiter gives mutual attraction. The ascendant has a mutual effect. Uranus is a great attractor! It's often mutual but Uranus pulls in feelings. Neptune attracts feelings, except it doesn't touch Saturn. Saturn turns those tables and gets the admiration of Neptune. Uranus gets attracted when he touches an ascendant. Pluto loves the Sun. Mars and Venus are into each other. So are Mars and Pluto (but darker, less romantic). IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Moderator Posts: 8137
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
|
posted November 29, 2014 04:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by VelvetPriestess:
Yes LeeLoo, I've identified some.Saturn tends to attract rather than be attracted, but does get attracted by Juno. Juno is usually the loved-up one, and adores Uranus, Jupiter and others. Jupiter gives mutual attraction. The ascendant has a mutual effect. Uranus is a great attractor! It's often mutual but Uranus pulls in feelings. Neptune attracts feelings, except it doesn't touch Saturn. Saturn turns those tables and gets the admiration of Neptune. Uranus gets attracted when he touches an ascendant. Pluto loves the Sun. Mars and Venus are into each other. So are Mars and Pluto (but darker, less romantic).
Thank you, VP, very interesting. I'll summarize it: Saturn - loved (loves Juno)
Juno - loved and loves
Jupiter - mutual
I didn't get it about the ASC though
Uranus - loved (but loves ASC)
Neptune - loved (but loves Saturn)
I agree about Venus/Mars and Mars/Pluto being into each other, I noticed that too.
------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
manderin
Knowflake Posts: 299
From: New York, NY USA
Registered: Nov 2013
|
posted November 29, 2014 05:01 PM
So then I was right?... Rather it's pluto that is affected. You say Pluto loves the Sun. That makes sense because Pluto would only trine or Sextile Sun during specific points of a given year.. but the Sun person would have that with every single person of his/her generation. So Pluto would be most affected by the planet person and not the other way around.IP: Logged |
VelvetPriestess
Knowflake Posts: 94
From:
Registered: Apr 2012
|
posted November 29, 2014 06:39 PM
I'd add that Juno has a tendency to become obsessed with other planetsIP: Logged |
singularlibra
Newflake Posts: 9
From: Seattle, WA, USA
Registered: Nov 2014
|
posted November 29, 2014 09:54 PM
Love this thread--so interesting! Just thought I’d throw in my (limited in knowledge) two cents. I’ve experienced the hard aspect Pluto/Venus a lot lately wherein I’m always Pluto. Despite the feelings of fixation/control/obsession that accompany this aspect for me, I fully know (mentally) I am in control of where this relationship goes. It makes no sense, either, as I emotionally view the Venus person as the one who is aloof and dictating the relationship’s course (so long as I let them, I guess). I’ve found that when I decide to disengage, though, the relationship is done. Usually the hard aspect between these two planets takes too much of a toll on me emotionally, and I choose to remove myself for self-preservation, lol. What I find interesting is that other person feels no need/desire/urge to challenge my (Pluto’s) decision to call things off. It seems the Pluto person calls the shots in terms of the continued connection between the two parties. Side-note: Strangely enough, I have two separate hard Pluto/Venus aspects with two different people right now but don’t feel anything like my usual feelings of obsession, etc. One person’s Venus is square my Pluto and the other is in opposition. Regardless, though, I know the power resides in my Pluto to continue the relationships or not. It’s so very weird… IP: Logged |
Lotis White
Moderator Posts: 1754
From: USA
Registered: Dec 2010
|
posted November 29, 2014 11:54 PM
Well I'm a Capricorn with planets in Sagittarius and Pluto's transit of my planets really packed a punch. I had an unwanted admirer which lead to some very uncomfortable situations for me, and I'll say no more then that. Pluto aspects work transit-wise for sure. I think Pluto aspects work best when they're super tight. As in, the orb is only one or two degrees apart, and it's best when it's actually less then a degree apart. The reality is some planet are fast and others are slow. When a planets is slow other planets move to aspect it over time. When a planet is fast it moves to aspect all the slower planets over time. Either way, there's plenty of opportunity for aspects to occur involving inner planets and outer planets. I don't think a planet's speed changes it's propensity to influence though synastry and whatnot. If we keep orbs really tight we notice that Pluto actually changes quite a bit over the months. It retrogrades back and forth over the same 4 to 10 degrees. Synastry aspects also tend to operate within the context of our individual connection with each person. Pluto square Venus with our cousin feels different then it would with a love interest (this could be a fate/karma thing). And...In each person's chart Pluto rules a different house cusp and gives the aspect a unique connotation. I think both the Venus person and the Pluto person would feel the aspect pretty much equally. And each person would respond to it based on the locations of Venus and Pluto respectively in their natal chart... What houses they rule, what houses they are in, and what other planets are involved in the configuration. If Pluto aspects a lot of planets in someone's natal chart and someone comes along and aspects this configuration it can set-off a chain reaction. If Pluto is unaspected in the natal, and someone comes along and aspects it there can be a strong reaction to that person in one way, but that reaction is somehow isolated from the rest of the Pluto person's psychology. It's very monolithic. I think it's also true that entire generations give can us a certain type of vibe depending on how the outer planets aspect our chart. Certain generations may seem exciting, creepy, fun, depressing, delightful, or whatever feeling, as a result of this. If you were born with a personal planet in harsh aspect to an outer planet, it's possible you could get a heavy vibe in general from your own generation, and you could benefit form making friends with those that have a couple of years age difference from yourself. If you have natal Venus square Pluto, weird undercurrents, power-games, and difficulties in love relationships might be an issue with your own generation. Finding a partner or making friends a few years outside your own generation could be a good choice here. IP: Logged |
eliotray
Knowflake Posts: 129
From: New York
Registered: Dec 2013
|
posted November 30, 2014 03:51 AM
Everyone in my Pluto generation makes aspects to almost all major points in my chart so I'm trying to understand how this would come into play... I attract all types of people like a moth to a flame though  IP: Logged |
Lotis White
Moderator Posts: 1754
From: USA
Registered: Dec 2010
|
posted November 30, 2014 04:43 AM
Hi eliotray,The tightest Pluto aspect in your chart is Pluto conjunct Mercury at 1 degree orb (this gives you a probing mind). Next is Pluto sextile Saturn at 3 degrees orb. There are no more tight Pluto aspects in your chart, but you probably feel super Plutonic because of your stellium in the sign Scorpio (Pluto included). Pluto rules your 2nd house and so it's tied to your concept of self-worth, your attitudes towards possessions, what you feel you have of value to offer others, and how you feel about your body. Mercury conjunct Pluto as your 2nd house ruler means you may give careful consideration to such things. You may analyze situations involving 'give and take' dynamics a lot. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Moderator Posts: 8137
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
|
posted November 30, 2014 05:28 AM
quote:
Originally posted by VelvetPriestess:
I'd add that Juno has a tendency to become obsessed with other planets
What is your opinion on Juno conj Lilith exact? (and opposite Moon?). His Juno, my "Moons" lol ------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
manderin
Knowflake Posts: 299
From: New York, NY USA
Registered: Nov 2013
|
posted November 30, 2014 11:29 AM
"). I’ve found that when I decide to disengage, though, the relationship is done."This to me sounds more like Saturn influence though. I find in relationships that the Saturn person is the one that mostly holds the relationship together. When the other planet person disengages, the Saturn person tends to hold on thereby keeping things goig... When Saturn disengages (which they usually don't) the relationship is done. And Saturn might try to re-engage the relationship again as well. IP: Logged |
manderin
Knowflake Posts: 299
From: New York, NY USA
Registered: Nov 2013
|
posted November 30, 2014 11:36 AM
I suppose it depends on how you view "control".I'm looking at a chart between me and another person where my moon was squared his pluto. He was obsessed and "in love" with me, but I didn't even find him attractive and only saw him as a friend. Later, this friend got "revenge" on me for not liking him back by stealing money from me and lying. That's right- In his mind this somehow meant I owed him those feelings in return. Of course he also suffered from severe mental problems as well. But I was absolutely crushed. Crushed that someone I saw as a friend would purposely try to hurt me. So whether or not he had "control" over me depends on how you look at it I guess. He was obsessed and "in love" with me so in that sense I was the one in control. But he screwed me over in the end so in that sense he ended up with the upper hand I...guess? IP: Logged |
starmoon
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From:
Registered: Sep 2011
|
posted November 30, 2014 05:08 PM
you have to keep in mind the orb of pluto to your personal planet. generational planets require a really tight orb, because w/o that you do have too many people who share the aspect with you. everyone with pluto might aspect your venus or moon, but the contacts will not all be close. some may do it from 10+ orb and some within 2 degrees, and some within 1, or exact. how close their pluto (or any generational sign) touches makes all the difference. you're not going to be in a close, intimate relationship with every single person from one generation, so you'll never know what "power" they have over you or not because those dynamics may not play out. IP: Logged |
singularlibra
Newflake Posts: 9
From: Seattle, WA, USA
Registered: Nov 2014
|
posted November 30, 2014 06:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by manderin:
This to me sounds more like Saturn influence though. I find in relationships that the Saturn person is the one that mostly holds the relationship together. When the other planet person disengages, the Saturn person tends to hold on thereby keeping things goig... When Saturn disengages (which they usually don't) the relationship is done. And Saturn might try to re-engage the relationship again as well.
Oh, I didn't even consider Saturn's influence. It makes sense, though, especially with Saturn's role in synastry. I guess I always attributed the power aspect to Pluto because that influence is so overwhelming, IMO. IP: Logged |
Lindaland
UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! 
