posted November 27, 2014 07:11 AM            

For you, ladies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-4VGfx5lU

Another layer of matching symbolism in a synastry.

As a Virgo/8th house Sun (stellium), Virgo energy is born in the darkness and mystery of the 8th house - my challenge in this life is to use Virgo energy for the purposes of the 8th house. The more time passes, the more we become like our house placements - because the house is the tangible part of our chart, our life events, opportunities and challenges, an applied energy.

As an 8th houser, Scorpios are a model/inspiration to me, because they embody the pure energy of my house, they are something I'm born to become: they teach me and show me how to live in this house.

When we meet someone who represents the sign energy of our houses, especially if mutual, a strong bond is formed. That someone will show us in a practical form how to become ourselves, by radiating their sign energy. We need that energy as an inspiration, a model, a vehicle for our becoming.

First of all, I want to say I'm not using the equal house system for this. Because I use Placidus to evaluate a natal chart, and I consider the Placidus placements to reflect one's house system, I also apply the house/sign matching symbolism in Placidus.

How does it work?

I'll come back with examples

posted November 27, 2014 08:16 AM            

Looking at it from the perspective of the house chart, we get additional insight as to why this connection is so important and why good synastries have at least one two such connections.

In the example above, if we consider the house chart, the 5th house Moon is a Leo Moon. The house degree of this Moon (its position in the 5th house) will correspond to a certain Leo degree. For example, if let's say, the 5th house Moon is at the beginning of the last third of the 5th house, the Leo degree is probably around 20 Leo.

Just like with duads, the energy of the sign is sufficient. For example, the fact of having Sun in Leo in a synastry with a Moon in 5th is enough to share the Leo energy. But, if the 5th house Moon is near the actual degree of the Leo Sun - let's say Leo Sun is 17 degrees, 5th house Moon is 20 degrees in the 5th house (hence in Leo), we can say we have a perfect match in this respect, because we all know the zodiacal degrees are personalized as well, they add an additional layer. The 5th house Moon is conjunct the Leo Sun and whatever the Moon needs to do in her house position, on that degree, is reflected/supported/gets inspiration from that particular Leo Sun. The Leo Sun is like a model - something I wanna be when I grow up - for that 5th house Moon (for the accomplishment of the native's Moon in the 5th, that part of their chart), especially on similar degrees. But as I was saying, the house/sign similitude is often enough.

I am inviting Libran Dream to tell us more about the relationship between a house placement and their sign correspondence, she has a very interesting theory about it

In order to determine the house degree of your natal placements, you can use the Huber house chart in astro.com, as Ceri taught me, but use Placidus - however sometimes the way a Huber chart is calculated modifies your house degrees, so you have to compare it visually as well.

In the pdf of the Huber house chart, you will see your planets having a certain house degree - the number of the house near them corresponds to the sign of your house placement - for example, you see there Venus 25 degrees in 11 - this means in Aqua.

Another way of finding out your house degree is to estimate it yourself, visually. All planets in your 1st house correspond to Aries, all planets/asteroids in your 2nd house, to Taurus etc. You look at the house, try to split it up in 3, for instance, visually or using a pen, and see where your planet is, in what degree of that house (at least approximately). It's not that difficult, with a little visual practice.

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posted November 27, 2014 08:42 AM            

Btw, I could hunt for such similarities in your synastry and list them here if you like.

posted November 27, 2014 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
How about a situation like this:
Person A has a Leo Sun. Person B puts their Sun into person A's 5th house.
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Btw, I could hunt for such similarities in your synastry and list them here if you like.

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You know I like that Give me give me my similarities!!!!!!

That's another interesting way to look at it, another perspective: you mean the the degree of our house where the other's planet falls?

posted November 27, 2014 09:24 AM            

his Pisces Sun - your Sun in his 12th

posted November 27, 2014 09:25 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

As an 8th houser, Scorpios are a model/inspiration to me, because they embody the pure energy of my house, they are something I'm born to become: they teach me and show me how to live in this house.

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So the fact that Mr Sag has

Sun, Neptune (chartruler) in 9th house - and in Sagittarius-, with Mercury being conjunct the 9th house cusp,

and I have Sun, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, NN, ASC in Sagittarius, would make a strong affinity, which I was always aware of, I am jsut not sure how is whose "rolemodel", but it makes sense that the sign represents a pure instinctive energy, while th ehouse position is more about applied energy and tied to the tangible sphere of the environment.

He has also Venus in 11th house, and my Moon is in Aquarius - so that would be a link, too, but maybe not a straightforward one, as we deal with different planets here. Still it might be a Venus-Moon-affinity with an 11th house/ Aquarius-resonance, something like that?

posted November 27, 2014 09:42 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

First of all, I want to say I'm not using the equal house system for this. Because I use Placidus to evaluate a natal chart, and I consider the Placidus placements to reflect one's house system, I also apply the house/sign matching symbolism in Placidus.

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my thoughts as well

BTW my best friend and me have a mutual lunar-solar bond this way

my Sun in 1st - her Moon in Aries
her Moon in 11th - my Moon in Aquarius

posted November 27, 2014 09:49 AM            

my Sun, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, NN, ASC in sagittarius -
his Sun, Neptune in 9th house

my Moon in Aquarius - his Venus in 11th house

my Uranus in Scorpio - his Uranus in 8th house

my Pluto in Libra - his Pluto and Saturn in 7th house

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my Sun, Mercury, Venus, Neptune, NN in 1st house -
Aries intercepted in his 1st house (sort of a hidden, secondary ASC).

my Moon in 2nd house-
not much, but his Chiron and Vesta in Taurus

my Mars in 12th house -
his ASC in Pisces

my Jupiter in 3rd house - his IC in Gemini
(of course usually I would also consider the polarity to the 9th/ Sagittarius symbolism)

my Saturn in 8th house - his Uranus in Scorpio (and his Valentine)

my Uranus conjunct 11th house cusp, but technically still some minutes in the 10th house - his Venus in Capricorn

my Pluto in 10th house - his Venus in Capricorn

posted November 27, 2014 10:09 AM            

his Moon in 8th house - her Sun in Scorpio (his Moon opposes her Sun, too).

both Suns in 5th house - his Sun in Aquarius (Sun square Sun)

there is probably more, but I found these intriguing also cause they emphasize their synastric Tsquare of the luminaries some more, and cushion it possibly.

for my friend and her husband, out of the top of my head

his Sun in Cappy - her Sun in 4th house
his Sun and Moon in 1st house - her Moon in Aries
his Moon in Aquarius - her Moon in 11th house

his Sun and Moon in 1st house - her Venus and Mars in Libra
his Moon in Aquarius - her Venus and Mars in 5th house

his Mars is in 5th house, her Venus and Mars in 5th house as well

his Venus in 10th house - her DESC in Capricorn

posted November 27, 2014 10:45 AM            

Firstly, the most complicated thing. Equal vs. Placidus. I've embraced Equal for this, for now, and I combine it with Placidus. The tropical Zodiac that the House system in modeled on is Equal, so a natural transference should follow this. If we used Placidus to calculate House degrees, we would need to work with percentages, not degrees. This is complicated, and no program exists yet to do it so you have to calculate manually. In the future, I'd like to see it implemented, just to try, but for now, I'm using a pure tropical transference, so Equal. I'm a Western Astrologer, and I like precision very, very much. Give me all the numbers. Without exact degrees, I feel like I'm working in the dark. It's just not right for me.

This is why I advised to calculate the positions using only the AC-DC Axis.

When I said I combine Equal and Placidus, what I meant is that I will call a placement, ie, at the end of a large first house, 35° from AC, 5 Taurus in the first house. In my experience so far, it IS 5 Taurus, and that's what will resonate with tropical, however, for the individual, that will still be a first house matter. It's a little complicated but at this stage it's working for me.

I'll try to find a bit more time to write about this here next week. But I think you're doing a really great job with this yourself! You basically have it figured out. We just need mooooore chaaaaaarts. (zombie sounds)

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
How about a situation like this:
Person A has a Leo Sun. Person B puts their Sun into person A's 5th house.

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posted November 27, 2014 11:02 AM            

my parents:

I will do so later, but interestingly my Dad`s house Sun is exactly opposite my Moon.

posted November 27, 2014 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually the Huber house chart does calculate the housedegrees, they have Kochhouses as default, but you can change it to Placidus.

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Yes, exactly, Huber house chart calculates the exact degree of your house placement in Placidus. Make sure to choose "Placidus" instead of "default" in the House system option.

LD, I'm glad you're here, can't wait for more
LD, the problem with equal is that it can change the house placements entirely. For example, my Sun and my 8th house stellium is in the 9th, in Equal. While I may have some 9th side to myself lol, I strongly identify with my 8th house and my life, so far, is made of 8th house events etc. It's a simplification of houses, Equal. Interception goes away - mine included, and I really have it, trust me - and so does house emphasis.
Doing the house chart for my equal chart is an entirely (almost) different horoscope.
And for now I want to do my house profile in Placidus, the system I use. And it's perfectly possible with astro and the Huber option.
Visually isn't that difficult either, especially for our theme: we don't necessarily need an exact degree, noticing the other's planet is conjunct would be enough for now, me thinks.

But as I said, astro calculates your exact house degrees in Placidus

posted November 27, 2014 11:20 AM            

first the signs, then the transposed house-signs

sign - equal - placidus
Sun: 3 Scorpio - 20 Cancer - 11 Leo
Moon: 28 Virgo - 15 Gemini - 15 Cancer
Mercury: 12 Scorpio- 29 Cancer - 17 Leo
Venus: 18 Virgo - 5 Gwemini - 7 Cancer
Mars: 14 Virgo - 1 Gemini - 3 Cancer
Jupiter: 6 Aries - 23 Sagittarius - 22 Cap
Saturn: 8 Libra - 26 Gemini - 24 Cancer
Uranus: 13 Cancer - 1 Aries - 2 aries
Neptune: 19 Libra - 7 Cancer - 2 Leo
Pluto: 21 Leo - 8 Taurus - 6 Gemini
NN: 8 Pisces - 25 Scorpio - 28 Sag
Chiron: 29 Sag - 16 Virgo - 19 Virgo
Vertex: 27 Scorpio - 14 Leo - 26 Leo
Juno: 13 Sag - 00 Virgo - 7 Virgo
BML: 00 Cancer - 17 Pisces - 20 Pisc
Priapus: 18 Sag - 6 Virgo - 12 Virgo

my Dad:

posted November 27, 2014 11:43 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
your Virgo Sun - his Sun in the 6th
your Leo Moon - his Venus in the 5th
your Taurus IC - his Moon in the 2nd
your Sun in the 8th - his Moon in Scorpio

his Pisces Sun - your Sun in his 12th

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Yes, these are the most important ones, thank you

The first thing I would do is a little profile of each one's house/sign symbolism, in their natal chart.

Looking at my natal, I see:

One first interesting thing to do is look at the angles as well, see if they connect to something in your chart. I would not only consider the conjunction (the most important in fact, because we are dealing with sign symbolism here), but the opposition as well, being on the same polarity.
So ASC is always 0 Aries, IC 0 Cancer etc.
For me it's an important connection, because my Mars is at 0 Libra - this means my DSC conjuncts Mars, from the house perspective. This is an important clue for the partner, so Mars in my chart probably leads, one way or another, to the partner. Mars on DSC also shows my style of relating aspires to be expressed through this Mars energy I have in my chart, especially in Libra 0, the Aries point most connected with relationships and the public (also reflected by the 7th house).

I will get back with the rest of my profile. In the meantime, what is your house/sign profile and what does it show?

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posted November 27, 2014 11:51 AM            

I ran mine through Placidus, and I don't know... To me Equal seems to apply better. I think there are basically 3 ways to check: internal, synastry and external. Internal - just your own chart, that relies on self-reporting. Synastry with the most important people in your life. And external for events.

For internal, my chart is pretty close to Equal, so it's really tough to say. In equal, my Sun is 3° conjunct Pluto, Mars exactly conjunct Saturn. In placidus, Sun is exactly conjunct Pluto, Mars is 2° conjunct Saturn. I honestly can't say which one is more accurate to me. My estimation is equal. But self-reporting... Not really accurate.

I have not done external-event checking yet.

So synastry seems like the best bet to me. The easiest one to compare, your house to their tropical, I would say is Sun-Moon and Venus-Mars. Taking my own Venus, equal is 22VIR, placidus 20VIR. Running it against my most important romantic relationship, the man's tropical Mars was 22VIR. I wasn't just kind of into it, as a wider orb would dictate, I was all in. So an exact conjunction would make a lot more sense to me. So equal.

But I think a real test here would be to take the charts of people born far north, or south, with wide inequalities in the house system, and compare it with the tropical placements of the most important people in their lives. That could give us a better answer. If you know of anyone that might fit that, we could try. Hm, maybe some nordic celebrities?

But anyway, you know House System is THE battlefield of modern astrology. Put a dozen astrologers in a locked room during a harsh Mars transit, start a house debate and there will be a Hunger Games scenario.

posted November 27, 2014 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So the fact that Mr Sag has

Sun, Neptune (chartruler) in 9th house - and in Sagittarius-, with Mercury being conjunct the 9th house cusp,

and I have Sun, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, NN, ASC in Sagittarius, would make a strong affinity, which I was always aware of, I am jsut not sure how is whose "rolemodel", but it makes sense that the sign represents a pure instinctive energy, while th ehouse position is more about applied energy and tied to the tangible sphere of the environment.

He has also Venus in 11th house, and my Moon is in Aquarius - so that would be a link, too, but maybe not a straightforward one, as we deal with different planets here. Still it might be a Venus-Moon-affinity with an 11th house/ Aquarius-resonance, something like that?

I have this stellium in 1st house (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Neptune, NN) - and it is very true that I vibe with ARies (they used to be my moth-to-flame-signs), though it might also be because of my Draco Sun, Mercury, Venus, Isis-Osiris in Aries as well.
This is true even in friendships, as my best friend has Moon in Aries (on my Dr Sun), and my brother has Venus and Mars in Aries (his Venus near my Dr Sun as well) - I admire them a lot

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A lot of affinity here, but you know it, Ceri
I think Moon and Venus may be different, but at the same time, they are both the "feminine energy" we have in our charts. I'd say this is a very strong and sweet connection, under the Aqua sign, of course lol Being with you, knowing you, his 11th house Venus would learn and be inspired to express its 11th house energy - style of loving - by your Aqua Moon, the way you express yourself emotionally, your femininity. His "feminine" side would be strongly revealed by your Moon. You would help him in his task to bring the Venusian energy through the 11th house - I see here some possible involvement with the world at large, too - humanitarian, social values. It would be something natural, uncoscious from your side, since you express your Aqua energy in your Moon in a natural way. Of course a mutuality is born as well, because he would probably reflect your Moon with his Venus after a while, thus you will become much more aware of your Moon, by reflection, by the strong manner in which he reacts, through his Venus - it would be like a mirror, I guess - the sign placement becomes aware of the energy they project through that planet by the admiration/love received from the house placement.

I also believe this kind of interaction appears only if the two people spend some time with each other, are involved with each other, the attraction of the house placement towards the sign placement will surely be there from the beginning, a fascination, just like with duads, but the dynamics itself can only be revealed if a relationship really occurs.

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posted November 27, 2014 12:06 PM            

So you think we should also consider other aspects as well? Like the trine example you use?

posted November 27, 2014 12:44 PM            

But chart rectification is a long and suuuuper tedious process so I am in no rush to try it with the house system. It does need to eventually be done though...
My suggestion is to take a few key events in your life, or someone else's. A well-documented historical figure would be good as well. And then see what was going on in the charts, and how the house chart was playing out. Go in without expectations, make sure you have fresh eyes. Look at everything, tropical to house, house to tropical. If you can find event charts, also, that would be even better. Check those for house-tropical resonance across the board.

posted November 27, 2014 01:51 PM            

I agree with you with the mirror effect.

I would also agree on the dynamics being most visible, if people are in a relationship with each other.

However, in some way, what you described there took place for me, too, even though there is not really that much of a connection between Mr Sag and me, not in the daily sense at least.

But to be honest that is one of the most attractive traits, that go beyond the attraction I certainly have for him as a performer, or his physical appearance and how he projects himself, but one of the traits I really like him for is his humanitarian engagement, not really involved in anything, but just having a head on his shoulders to think and observe things in this world and not hesitate to VOICE his opinion, but doing it in such a charming way, that it never takes away from the performance but adds to it, is cushioned by it and hence even strenghtened (the message).

For example when he was undergoing this Ice-bucket challenge (and did he really have to run back to the table I was sitting right after that? Well you could say it was a fresh breeze. lol)

Anyway, he did not just do it for the joke, I think, but of course he had een nominated, but he also explained that because there are too little numbers of people affected by the disease, there is not much money going into research it (as it is rather uninteresting for the industry).

I actually looked it up after the concert, not that I did not believe what he said, but I just wanted to research that a bit more. While I was halfconsciously aware of that practice, it was him who brought it to very clear awareness for me, (and yes I did donate. lol).

posted November 27, 2014 03:29 PM            

Whereever the zero Aries falls in our chart is how we find our house chart Asc. Zero Aries falls into the 4th house in my chart and so my house chart rising sign is Cancer (4th house). The houses of zero Capricorn, Libra, and Cancer, show our house chart Mc, Dsc, and Ic respectively (the cardinal points).

If a person has planets near the cardinal points in their tropical chart they show as planets conjunct the angles in the house sign chart. A planet at 2 Aries is conjunct the Asc, or a planet at 29 Virgo is conjunct the Dsc (from the 6th house). My Venus at 29 Sagittarius is conjunct my house sign Mc, and my Jupiter at zero Cancer is conjunct my house sign Ic.

In my house chart I'm a...

HOUSE-----------------TROPICAL
Asc 24 Cancer.......... 4th house Aries Point
Sun 16 Aries.......... 1st house Capricorn Sun
Moon 19 Scorpio.......... 8th house Cancer Moon
Mercury 29 Pisces.......... 12th house Sagittarius Mercury conjunct Asc
Venus 08 Aries.......... 1st house Sagittarius Venus
Mars 03 Sagittarius.......... 9th house Leo Mars
Jupiter 09 Libra.......... 7th house Cancer Jupiter
Saturn 27 Sagittarius.......... 9th house Virgo Saturn
Uranus 29 Aquarius.......... 11th house Scorpio Uranus
Neptune 24 Pisces.......... 12th house Sagittarius Neptune
Pluto 8 Aquarius.......... 11th house Libra Pluto
N Node 03 Aquarius.......... 11th house Libra N Node
S Node 03 Leo.......... 5th house Aries S Node
Vertex 29 Leo.......... 5th house Taurus Vertex
Antivertex 29 Aquarius.......... 11th house Scorpio Anivertex
Dsc 24 Capricorn.......... 10th house Libra Point
Mc 08 Aries.......... 1st house Capricorn Point
Ic 08 Libra.......... 7th house Cancer Point

Quite a difference from my Sagittarius rising, Venus, and Mercury, and my Capricorn Sun. My Cancer Moon is not so different. Houses and signs switch places in the house chart so my Capricorn Sun in the 1st house becomes an Aries Sun in the 10th. The DEGREES of the house chart are especially interesting to look at, and fun to use in synastry to the partner's corresponding house chart, or their natal chart.

posted November 27, 2014 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my thoughts as well

BTW my best friend and me have a mutual lunar-solar bond this way

my Sun in 1st - her Moon in Aries
her Moon in 11th - my Moon in Aquarius

Interestingly our Dr Sun is conjunct each other`s tropical Moon as well (Aries, Aquarius) - and the respective Moons are sextile

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I can see this very strong bond here. I'll come back with some examples too, my parents included, where there's this Sun/Moon dance as well.