posted December 03, 2014 12:39 AM            

okay so first what i noticed in my chart that i found very interesting and i'd like to point out that there was emotional, verbal abuse between me and my father while growing up aaaannnnddd especially physical.

My Natal Chart
Nessus - 26 degrees Libra
Dejanira - 26 degrees in taurus
Ascendant - 2 degrees in Libra
Jose (My father's name) - 6 degrees in libra
my name Angelica - 9 degrees in sag

My fathers natal chart
Nessus - 22 degrees taurus
Dejanira - 1 degree sag retrograde

i noticed there is lovely nessus conjuncting my dejanira in synastry in taurus (Earth) i remember ami saying that if its earth its physical abuse...which did happen and my karma is 27 retrograde in leo.

oh and i can't forget composite!

composite
Jose my father's name is in 4 degrees leo
Nessus is in 9 degrees leo
ascendant is 8 degrees in cancer.

I hope this was interesting i had to share it with you ami! =)

posted December 03, 2014 04:16 PM            

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posted December 03, 2014 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Hi, Angelica.

For conjunctions of asteroids, we really don't want to expand the orb beyond 2º30, or 3º00 at the absolute most. From the looks of it, your DEJANIRA is 4º from his NESSUS.

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Perhaps yeah, it could be but IQ uses a 3 deg orb to be safe. It's not an absolute truth, I find sometime upto 4 deg can be felt but of course the tighter the more potent.

posted December 03, 2014 09:04 PM            

in my dad's natal chart he has 22 degrees in taurus

posted December 03, 2014 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Perhaps yeah, it could be but IQ uses a 3 deg orb to be safe. It's not an absolute truth, I find sometime upto 4 deg can be felt but of course the tighter the more potent.

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He'll expand up to 3º00, and only if it's warranted. When it comes to things like NESSUS and DEJANIRA, it's important to keep them tight. And, in the realm of asteroids, that's not going over 2º.

Especially in these cases, it's necessary to see how NESSUS and DEJANIRA are both positioned in natals, as well as interacting with the entire synastry.

Remember, you're talking to the proud owner of an exact NESSUS conjunct DEJANIRA over here; including a 2º nNESSUS conjunct drDEJANIRA.

posted December 03, 2014 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Hey auybanne! thank you much for the hugs! my child in my natal chart is 6 degrees taurus, my dad name astroid is 6 degrees libra, and my dejanira is 26 degrees taurus.

in my dad's natal chart he has 22 degrees in taurus

and I'm not sure how to calculate midpoints...i'd like to know more about that some websites offer how to calculate but it seems soooo confusing i'd have to go to a professional astrologer in person to learn how to calculate this more thoroughly. thank you for your answers!!! =)

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Anything at 16º Taurus would be conjunct your CHILD/DEJANIRA midpoint. While his NESSUS isn't aspecting it (22º is too far) there may be other elements of his chart which are 'aggravating' his NESSUS.

posted December 04, 2014 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
No worries, Angelica.

And, again, anything over 3° is considered too wide in most cases. Anything over 4° is undoubtedly too wide. (4° and 9° LEO are 5° apart.)

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posted December 04, 2014 03:59 PM            

That's a much more complicated topic. Astrology is the study of infinite potential. Some astrologers are more fatalistic, however, and will tell you absolutely that a certain aspect always yields a particular outcome.

In my 25 years as an astrologer, I've never seen that to be the case. Perhaps, it's my growing understanding of the multiverse, but it's clear to me that all aspects operate in every possible fashion somewhere. That makes the dilemma more binary; the aspect either is, or isn't, happening here.

When starting out, we're eager to take aspects piecemeal and approach it 'cookbook' style, looking up the delineation of this or that aspect to acquire the answers we seek. But the longer you stay with astrology, the more you discover it's an ever-unfolding cosmic science where the only truth is in synthesis -- combining everything from every level, incorporating several house systems and chart calculation methods.

As I may have alluded earlier, I actually have NESSUS conjunct DEJANIRA in synastry, and the aspect is exact. I will say that there have always been BDSM undertones in our dynamics, which were almost insidious in their nature. But, as some have stated, the level of maturity, and I've said in many threads, how an individual handles power is the ultimate determinant of how NESSUS is going to operate in one's natal -- and subsequent synastries.

Exact aspects will always draw our attention, too. For me, being the NESSUS has been a fascinating examination of the roots of obsession and what can drive us to want who we do, and why. Our synastry of course carries these elements -- his MARS exactly conjunct my PLUTO, his PLUTO very widely on my VENUS, but in my 1H, where it takes prominence, and a 5H/8H overlay, which I've found to be inherently sexual in its expression.

Natally, my NESSUS is positioned with CERES, SCHRODINGER and NYMPHE. I'm asexual by nature, and have a knack for understanding -- and nurturing -- those who have suffered sexual abuse and emotional betrayal. It's a big part of why I became a criminologist and therapist. (SCHRODINGER, I feel, allows me to examine all angles of a situation, possessing a greater objectivity. At least, I hope so! I'm also becoming a big believer in the multiverse.)

His DEJANIRA is 8H. Also being asexual, sexuality is a no-man's land; a no-fly zone. My NESSUS exactly conjunct his DEJANIRA would have had him heading for the hills before you can say knife, if it were a different sort of NESSUS. As it stands, we played a four-year or so game of, 'if you're interested, I'm here,' with each of us essentially backpedalling the moment either of us took the other up on the offer.

Of course, it wasn't until I noticed our sidereal NODAL axis illuminating the degree, 23º Cancer, (NNODE) that it occurred to me this was a rather old game we were playing -- and the shoe was on the other foot with me in the role of the instigator (NESSUS).

Now, he's not off the hook regarding NESSUS energy; it's 0º square my ASCENDANT. He's never once tried to change me, or criticised my appearance, my views, or anything of the sort. It's square my VENUS, 2º, too.

Conversely, it's 1º conjunct my MC. He casts a bit of a long shadow, and I feel an unconscious push to go further and excel. The way I've described it is that he 'elevates' me. He need do little more than give the slightest disapproving crook of his brow, and I find myself scrambling to meet the level where he's silently raised the bar.

I'd like to reiterate, this is NEVER abusive. I often find that I'm the one kicking myself over things I feel I should've known, or missed out of carelessness or even pride. It's that dynamic that's prompted me to be a better writer, researcher, and even more avid reader.

Not surprising, given the signs are GEMINI and VIRGO.

I feel he pushes me intellectually to excel in ways I might not've even considered before. That because he operates at this level, I've got to.

In short, it's not always a bad thing. Sometimes it urges you forward into territory you may not've considered.

posted December 05, 2014 12:45 PM            

Harsh aspects from saturn or mars to your personal planets can denote abuse, but it really depends on the type of abuse. For example, I would say I was pretty emotionally abused by my father growing up and his saturn made a square to my moon, Sun, mercury and venus. I felt fearful around him for as long as I can remember as a child. But because saturn is also the binding aspect of a relationship he also kept trying to keep the relationship going so that he could exercise control over me. When I was in my 20's I finally had to take legal action against him to keep him from ever making contact with me again. I'm happy to say I haven't seen the ******* in a decade.

posted December 05, 2014 11:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Angelica,

That's a much more complicated topic. Astrology is the study of infinite potential. Some astrologers are more fatalistic, however, and will tell you absolutely that a certain aspect always yields a particular outcome.

In my 25 years as an astrologer, I've never seen that to be the case. Perhaps, it's my growing understanding of the multiverse, but it's clear to me that all aspects operate in every possible fashion somewhere. That makes the dilemma more binary; the aspect either is, or isn't, happening here.

When starting out, we're eager to take aspects piecemeal and approach it 'cookbook' style, looking up the delineation of this or that aspect to acquire the answers we seek. But the longer you stay with astrology, the more you discover it's an ever-unfolding cosmic science where the only truth is in synthesis -- combining everything from every level, incorporating several house systems and chart calculation methods.

As I may have alluded earlier, I actually have NESSUS conjunct DEJANIRA in synastry, and the aspect is exact. I will say that there have always been BDSM undertones in our dynamics, which were almost insidious in their nature. But, as some have stated, the level of maturity, and I've said in many threads, [b]how an individual handles power is the ultimate determinant of how NESSUS is going to operate in one's natal -- and subsequent synastries.

Exact aspects will always draw our attention, too. For me, being the NESSUS has been a fascinating examination of the roots of obsession and what can drive us to want who we do, and why. Our synastry of course carries these elements -- his MARS exactly conjunct my PLUTO, his PLUTO very widely on my VENUS, but in my 1H, where it takes prominence, and a 5H/8H overlay, which I've found to be inherently sexual in its expression.

Natally, my NESSUS is positioned with CERES, SCHRODINGER and NYMPHE. I'm asexual by nature, and have a knack for understanding -- and nurturing -- those who have suffered sexual abuse and emotional betrayal. It's a big part of why I became a criminologist and therapist. (SCHRODINGER, I feel, allows me to examine all angles of a situation, possessing a greater objectivity. At least, I hope so! I'm also becoming a big believer in the multiverse.)

His DEJANIRA is 8H. Also being asexual, sexuality is a no-man's land; a no-fly zone. My NESSUS exactly conjunct his DEJANIRA would have had him heading for the hills before you can say knife, if it were a different sort of NESSUS. As it stands, we played a four-year or so game of, 'if you're interested, I'm here,' with each of us essentially backpedalling the moment either of us took the other up on the offer.

Of course, it wasn't until I noticed our sidereal NODAL axis illuminating the degree, 23º Cancer, (NNODE) that it occurred to me this was a rather old game we were playing -- and the shoe was on the other foot with me in the role of the instigator (NESSUS).

Now, he's not off the hook regarding NESSUS energy; it's 0º square my ASCENDANT. He's never once tried to change me, or criticised my appearance, my views, or anything of the sort. It's square my VENUS, 2º, too.

Conversely, it's 1º conjunct my MC. He casts a bit of a long shadow, and I feel an unconscious push to go further and excel. The way I've described it is that he 'elevates' me. He need do little more than give the slightest disapproving crook of his brow, and I find myself scrambling to meet the level where he's silently raised the bar.

I'd like to reiterate, this is NEVER abusive. I often find that I'm the one kicking myself over things I feel I should've known, or missed out of carelessness or even pride. It's that dynamic that's prompted me to be a better writer, researcher, and even more avid reader.

Not surprising, given the signs are GEMINI and VIRGO.

I feel he pushes me intellectually to excel in ways I might not've even considered before. That because he operates at this level, I've got to.

In short, it's not always a bad thing. Sometimes it urges you forward into territory you may not've considered.

After all, Nessus was ferrying souls across the Styx before he went all crazy over Dejanira. A kind of temporary insanity. And, again, it's all about the whole picture.[/B]

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posted December 05, 2014 11:45 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
How is his saturn contacting your planets?

Harsh aspects from saturn or mars to your personal planets can denote abuse, but it really depends on the type of abuse. For example, I would say I was pretty emotionally abused by my father growing up and his saturn made a square to my moon, Sun, mercury and venus. I felt fearful around him for as long as I can remember as a child. But because saturn is also the binding aspect of a relationship he also kept trying to keep the relationship going so that he could exercise control over me. When I was in my 20's I finally had to take legal action against him to keep him from ever making contact with me again. I'm happy to say I haven't seen the ******* in a decade.

Harsh aspects to mars may indicate a more physically abusive relationship.

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