posted December 09, 2014 07:06 PM            

Following Aspects between a male and female (romantic relationship)

Saturn conj Mars (0°05')
Saturn conj Venus (0°59')
Saturn conj Sun (3°03')
Saturn conj MC (3°15')
Saturn conj Mercury (5°51')
Saturn conj Neptune (5°54')
Saturn conj Uranus (7°11')
Moon square Saturn (5°29')
Lilith trine Saturn (2°22')
Saturn sextile Jupiter (3°58')
Neptune semisquare Saturn (0°57')

Composite:
Venus conj Saturn (10°18')
Moon sextile Saturn (3°23')
Jupiter inconj Saturn (2°11')

There are also many harmonious aspects, Venus/Mars/Moon/Jupiter....also very much Pluto

But for now I am focusing only on the Saturn aspects.

My planets are on the right side, the male person is mainly Saturn.

I feel a strong attachment to him. I feel like there is a bond that goes beyond a long distance and time.

My questions are:
-How does Saturn feel?
-Does Saturn feel an attachment too??
-I have read that Saturn keeps coming back to fix things that haven't been resolved. Is that true?

posted December 09, 2014 07:49 PM            

Whether that's a good thing or not, depends entirely upon the synastry.

SATURN binds. And, ohhh, does it ever. Again, this can be a blessing -- or a curse. Karma doesn't work on our schedule. We're to adhere to its.

As to the man's SATURN being what mostly affects your planets? That all depends upon the level of the man's maturity. If he's not learnt the proper way to handle power, he can be domineering, overbearing, and stifling to the woman (you, in this case).

These relationships are typically present to resolve outstanding paternal issues (on the female's side). They're to help us with responsibility, maturity, dedication, and to grow into a more stable version of ourselves.

In other words, SATURN comes in to help us grow up. These sorts of relationships will typically form when we're nearing our first Saturn Return, but aren't quite where we need to be in terms of maturity, cosmically-speaking.

If it's occurring following your first Saturn Return, it's a clue you've neglected a particular area that's hindering your growth, which SATURN can help resolve.

Whether that's to be a good thing, or a distressing one, depending upon the above.

posted December 09, 2014 08:01 PM            

SATURN conjunct NEPTUNE?

It's been said that SATURN conjunct NEPTUNE is a serious outstanding karma to be resolved. And, while I hate to be a doomsayer, it's not easy, in my experience. I highly suggest reading up on SATURN and NEPTUNE hard aspects in synastry in relation to karmic relationships.

posted December 10, 2014 10:28 AM            

Actually, I like the idea of having him in my life 'til death
I would like to have him right by my side every second of my life. I already start missing him as soon as he leaves the house. I am somehow immensely scared to lose him forever.

I grew up without my father. My mom is very easy-going and the total opposite of authoritative. I grew up without boundaries, rules or punishments. Like little Mogli from the Jungle Book.
She let me come home drunk from partying with some guy and skip school for days. I often critized her for not forcing me to go to school and learn.

Besides, my mama always loved to spoil me. She didn't let me do anything by myself. I grew up like a little princess not moving a finger and not taking any responsibility.

Now, I am 20 years old and study law. I don't go to University every day. I can be disciplined and hardworking BUT I also love being lazy! I like having fun, going out with friends, etc. Still, I am ambitious by nature and get good grades.

The guy is 24 years old and works as a firefighter. He is is ambitious, too, veery hard working and disciplined, self-sufficient and reliable.

He calls himself my "personal guard"(but he doesn't know anything about astrology lol). He says he wants me to achieve something in life. He complains when I tell him I didn't go to University that days. Then he jokes that he will call at the university to inform them about my absence. He makes me learn more and workout harder. He makes me keep my room clean. He makes me party less and drink no alcohol at all. I feel like I need him to become mature, as my mother is like a child herself and my dad is in romania.

And I am willing to work on myself and also on the relationship.

When we started dating he used to joke that he has three bird spies making sure I don't date other guys.

I feel like I am a little girl and he is a good-hearted, concerned and loving father. I love that feeling. I feel so protected. I feel like I am important to him. I feel like he is genuinely concerned about my well-being. Yes, he is controlling and sceptical, but for me, in a cute way.

There is also love, passion, fun, playfulness and understanding. I don't perceive him as repressive, it can get a tiny bit annoying, but I am still comfortable.

We clicked instantly, fell for each other pretty fast. Yet, I feel threre are inhibitions and even though the emotions are deep, the relationship moves slowly.

Does Saturn bring up insecurities and fear???

I feel like the guy is very insecure about himself and my feelings towards him.
He is scared he is not good enough, not worthy of love, kinda inferior.
This is sad, because he is a great person and a role model.
Also, he fears I don't like him enough. He fears I will leave for another guy. And he fears I don't want to spend my time with him.

I feel like there is a tumult going on inside him but he always tries to stay cool and strong. But sometimes the facade begins to crumble and I catch a nervous expression in his eyes or a trembling hand.
Poor boy there is no reason to feel insecure

posted December 11, 2014 12:28 AM            

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Originally posted by LaGioconda:
I would like to have him right by my side every second of my life. I already start missing him as soon as he leaves the house. I am somehow immensely scared to lose him forever.

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That's the SATURN-NEPTUNE. Conventional theory states, we DID lose each other, and this is the unconscious root of such insecurity in the present.

It's not easy, but the objective is to keep perspective. Teach ourselves what's paranoia, and has no logical place in our lives. Fearing the loss of a relationship can have the unintentional self-fulfilling prophecy result of posing distance by creating engulfment.

When you've already got legitimate abandonment issues on top of a karmic lesson, it becomes key that you stay in the present. I've recently had a VERY rough period, finally realising karma that I've been moving towards resolving for the better part of fifteen years. It was almost impossible at times not to allow my mind to escape into the past; I only ended up terrified, however. I needed to hear from very well-meaning and informed individuals that if I didn't get a grip, I could ruin what's very possibly one of THE most important relationships of my life.

They were right, too. I couldn't keep allowing myself to indulge in misplaced insecurities from a very distant past which, at the time, was just consuming me. He'd grow tired of soothing my panic and working through my fears, and having to be 'the strong one', even if I'VE been the strong one MANY times.

But everyone needs the chance to feel weak, insecure, and afraid. Be mindful that the time spent in which he has to allay your fears is time taken from his being afforded the same. Now, at the age of 24, with a 20-year-old girlfriend, it's not THAT much of a sacrifice. But if he's still having to play the Saturnine role approaching 30 with a 26-year-old girlfriend or wife -- that's a different story.

When a man is trying to make his way in the world, he's going to be the most insecure. Sometimes, a man will sense his partner's insecurity and reflect it back, too.

But abandonment obsession is a legitimate emotional disorder. Regardless of whether it's an unconscious fear from another place and time, or unresolved psychological issues from childhood, it's GOT to be worked through. It's hell on you, and your relationship. Both of you need to reassure each other, and identify paranoid together, before it wreaks havoc.

Next time, consider writing out your major concerns. Address them in a calm, rational manner with your boyfriend, and suggest he do the same. And, privately, give yourself reality-checks and pep-talks. Remind yourself that NOW is not then.

For these instances, I recommend karmic investigation. It helps to know what went wrong, and why, so that you can embrace a happier new future and let the past go back to where it belongs. The past.

Until I learnt certain things about my own karma, I was petrified with the fear. But a lot of it I had to simply kick on my own, reminding myself that my paranoia had no place in my present life. But understanding WHAT I was so paranoid about did certainly help me let it go. For once and for all.

posted December 11, 2014 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
Saturn and Neptune are slow moving planets- especially neptune- and anyone who was born in a certain year is going to have their Saturn conjunct EVERYONE's Neptune of their generation.

Not saying your concerns aren't valid, just that I wouldn't put so much emphasis on any aspect that a person will have with virtually everyone.

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posted December 11, 2014 04:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's a more rare synastry aspect than you might think, believe it or not.

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posted December 11, 2014 09:21 AM            

Yeah, just gotta work through the fear, since it is only an illusion... don't let it hinder your actions, don't let it hinder the good times. Running away from it would be easier but it doesn't help...

posted December 11, 2014 01:01 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
Do you mean romantically? I suppose that could be the case, but I don't see how it can be a rare synastry aspect in platonic terms because everyone that Saturn person will have it conjunct the neptune of every person they go to school with. But I don't pay much attention to Neptune and Uranus anyway (not because I don't think they matter, but because I feel so many of the other planets matter so much more) so my view might be blurred by that bias.

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No worries. Are you in the intermediate stage of your astrological 'career'? I noticed that I went through a 'nothing but the personal points matter' phase, until I discovered HOW the outers influence, and WHY we have the placements there that we do.

As for generations of SAT/NEP, I imagine you're dealing with genocidal / annihilated groups who have returned en masse to resolve their past destruction. Pompeii, for example. Holocaust. The war-torn and those who chose an unjustly, untimely end.

I feel then it's necessary to look at the personal points and individual synastry through that lens.

My husband's SAT is opposite my NEP, 2°. Wide, comparatively, but he's the only '73'er that I know. My Twin's NEP squares my SAT, 1°. A bit wide again, but I've only connected with those from late '83 through late '84. No one in '85, oddly enough. Perhaps one day.

posted December 11, 2014 01:21 PM            

I think you are using very narrow orbs. I do agree with that fullheartedly, but know that other`s don`t.

So if of course I allow a 5-7 degree orb for Saturn and the outers to each other, the aspect would come up very frequently.
However in your case with orbs around 1-2 degrees, probably 3 degrees, the aspect would occur more rarely naturally.

Did you read the article on throughnights fire on Saturn-Neptune? I found it very interesting and it actually made me dissolve into tears due to the shocking resonance I felt internally. It was not in connection to Mr Sag however, but in a different "phase". And you know who. I am never sure what it is exactly I am reacting to in that particular case, but the response is very shocking and exhausting.
The funny thing is we do not even have a close Saturn-Neptune-aspect. lol

His Saturn is widely opposing my Neptune but so wide I would not even consider it usually (5°33 - not in a dream I would have considered it before!), but the response to that article was too vehment to just brush it off.

Well, his Saturn is also contraparallel my Neptune, but again the orb is rather generous (0°37).

in the Draco chart his Dr Saturn on 28 Leo quinkunx my Dr Neptune on 29 Pisces (1°09)

but again, it is a quinkunx, it is the draco chart, it almost seems like reaching just to find something to justify my response - though talking between you and me I do think in this particular case the Draco charts might have a bit of precedence or maybe even the sidereal, something more "beyond-present", because I simply should not have that response considering both presences.

posted December 11, 2014 07:09 PM            

And, as the co-owner of two synastries with NEP/SAT, I certainly relate. I've also kept it within 2°. Curiously, no other (current) synastries come ANYWHERE close. I could say one ex's SATURN (who's out of my life forever) is 4° square my NEP. Yeah, I'll count that. Our tumultuous relationship likely cleared that karma.

Otherwise, it's in a no-man's land. Take my Guardian, for example. 11° ARIES 48 ('cause we're all aware of his SATURN by now) to my NEP, 20° SAG. Flirting with a trine. Then his NEP, 21° SCO to my 02° LIB SATURN. Yeah. Nada.

I've wanted to investigate the Draco and sidereal, though ...

My drNEP trines his nSAT widely. (6°) And I mean really, really widely. There IS, however a 7° opposition of my drSAT and his nNEP. (Yeah, I'm not feelin' it, either.)

His drNEP nearly conjoins my nSAT, though. 15°. 3° closer and we'd have a ridiculously wide conjunction! Then his drSAT (7° PIS) is way out of the ballpark of my nNEP (21° SAG).

And again, nada. I suspect that's not likely to appear in cases like ours. Or it'll be Draco to Draco, or sidereally based.

5° quincunx, his drSAT to my drNEP. And a 3° from my drNEP to his drSAT.

Okay. NOW we're getting somewhere. DW in Draco, both quincunx? Wide, definitely, but ... intriguing. So NOW I'll investigate the sidereal.