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stargazer21 Knowflake Posts: 261 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted December 11, 2014 10:41 PM Because I sure don't lol I kinda feel like my own personal intuition works a lot better than looking at a synastry chart and expecting it to work out or fail. I think that at the end of the day Astrology is just a theory and what happens in real life isn't necessarily bound by abstract theories and lines on a chart. Also, I think that people (myself including) tend to project things onto other people and adding astrology into the mix will have an even stronger effect. (i.e. oh no we have sun sq saturn then it definitely wont work out) IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 58787 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 11, 2014 10:43 PM NOPE The charts will come to pass ------------------ Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
stargazer21 Knowflake Posts: 261 From: Registered: Nov 2012	posted December 11, 2014 10:47 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: NOPE The charts will come to pass huh??? IP: Logged
wheresthemoon Knowflake Posts: 339 From: Texas Registered: Aug 2014	posted December 11, 2014 11:45 PM I second this to some degree. I think synastry is definitely important but not more important than real life. Good synastry doesn't guarantee a good relationship, and bad synastry can be overcome. IP: Logged
Vajra Moderator Posts: 532 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2012	posted December 12, 2014 02:13 AM Although I wouldn't say I don't care for synastry, I understand where you're coming from. There's no automatic pre-determined way a relationship between two people will play out because it depends on too many other factors - like people's level of maturity - for anyone to see from the charts alone what their interactions would be like in any possible setting. This is because charts are not person-specific; they only describe the quality of the point in time someone was born at. Thus, many people born then and there share the exact same natal chart, and it would be quite absurd to assume a person x's relationship with each of the many persons who share person y's chart would turn out exactly the same. Take chemistry; part of it is determined by biology, and while one person's smell and sound of voice may be appealing to you, another's (with the same chart) would be less so. And, one could have the most beautiful synastry with e.g. a narcissist, but this would of course not guarantee a beautiful relationship due to the personality disorder (and no, not everyone sharing the same birth chart as that narcissist will also be a narcissist, although some might be). That said, I do believe the charts show a bandwidth of possibilities, and if understood well (which is rare because often people have a limited understanding based on very few examples, given the multitude of possible chart factors) they can be very useful to solve problems between people and understand the deeper meaning of the interaction. But I quite agree with you about the danger posed by preconceptions and self-fulfilling prophecies, which is why I especially wonder whether it's wise to analyze charts of relationships that have not even started yet... As they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Many times I've seen in real life how people have related quite well over an extended time with others they had so-called difficult synastry with they didn't know about, while supposedly wonderful synastries have sometimes not worked out. I would therefore not use synastry for making a decision about going ahead with a relationship or not, or trying to predict where it will go, but rather take the relationship as a given once it exists, and then try to understand it more deeply using synastry. IP: Logged
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 1619 From: Registered: Dec 2010	posted December 12, 2014 02:18 AM I saw a video the other day about how we are just a representative of an energy. If you have mars in a Aries, you are not The mars in aries. You are just one in many ppl and the energy represents itself differently in other ppl. I think synastry allows you to see some patterns but it doesn't predict the whole relationship. That'd be really sad. Free will and maturity and other factors come into play. IP: Logged
Sven555 Knowflake Posts: 696 From: UK Registered: Jul 2012	posted December 12, 2014 03:17 AM quote: Originally posted by stargazer21: Because I sure don't lol I kinda feel like my own personal intuition works a lot better than looking at a synastry chart and expecting it to work out or fail. I think that at the end of the day Astrology is just a theory and what happens in real life isn't necessarily bound by abstract theories and lines on a chart. Also, I think that people (myself including) tend to project things onto other people and adding astrology into the mix will have an even stronger effect. (i.e. oh no we have sun sq saturn then it definitely wont work out) Always take astrology with a pinch of salt. Never rely on it to give you the perfect picture or all the answers. It's such a complex study that none of us will possibly ever find all the answers at once. Synastry is what a relationship looks like 'on paper', which can be very different to real life. If you feel your own intuition is better, go with it!! IP: Logged
mercuranian Knowflake Posts: 907 From: not here Registered: Apr 2009	posted December 12, 2014 03:31 AM it doesn't matter if you care or not, - the energy IS going to play out accordingly. IP: Logged
GypseeWind Knowflake Posts: 6080 From: Love Street, she lingers long on Love Street.. Registered: May 2009	posted December 12, 2014 04:43 AM Personally I think it's the expectations in relationships that fail us. We expect everyone to be The One and are always measuring them up against these fairy tale movie dreams that are unrealistic instead of appreciating them for what they are. So what if you have crappy synastry with someone, and IF it plays out as the chart suggests does that make it any less valid in terms of experience and learning? I think I was happier before I knew about synastry. I think delving deep into it lends itself to self fulfilling prophecies. We tend to focus on the trouble spots and blow them out of proportion. That being said, I was married to someone for 24 years whom I have terrible synastry with. I have terrible synastry with almost everyone I've ever been with. The ones I did have good synastry with never lasted. But I have a messed up chart, so it makes sense to me that I choose hard partners. If I wait around to have great synastry with someone I would be a crazy cat lady before I actually found them! IP: Logged
next to neptune Knowflake Posts: 2333 From: The Moon Registered: Aug 2013	posted December 12, 2014 06:20 AM I care about it on a general level... I check synastry to see if we are compatible long-therm, but if the stars says we "aren't" I'm not just leaving, if I feel fine. Just do whatever makes you feel good... I guess it depends from individual to individual what make sense to them, and just because you have certain aspects between you and your partner, you could still be missing some important details, so in that way you can never be sure if it's going to work or not, before the plane starts to crash if you know what I mean... I'm pretty sure that the overall synastry will start to show itself at some point, people can only deny things until they can't ignore it anymore, but that could take years! And if we look the other way around, you're not going to be attracted to a person, just because your synastry says so, attraction is also your chemistry together, environment, ubbringing, etc, so if you really find someone you love, then stick to that and work hard on it IP: Logged
LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1295 From: Registered: Sep 2013	posted December 12, 2014 08:05 AM Having lived a great relationship with a supposed not so great synastry, I'm not really all that convinced that the synastry is what will make or break a relationship. I do, however, think that looking at the other person's natal and the synastry might give you clues to when things aren't going so well how to handle them. The danger that I see often on this site is that people will read about an aspect and be convinced that means they are doomed or that their partner will cheat on them, etc. That is not particularly healthy in my opinion. It creates doubt and suspicion and probably self full filling prophecies. IP: Logged
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 8500 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014	posted December 12, 2014 08:08 AM quote: Originally posted by mercuranian: it doesn't matter if you care or not, - the energy IS going to play out accordingly. Yep. When we think it doesn't, it's because we don't know how to read it yet. It probably takes a lifetime to learn how to properly read those lol ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged
ikja Knowflake Posts: 289 From: London, UK Registered: Oct 2014	posted December 12, 2014 08:25 AM I'm always happy that discussions like this come up frequently. I am currently trying to decide what to do with my ex and aspects of our synastry scare the hell out of me. However, the is a clear bond that we just cannot shake. I think what I find difficult is that composite charts and synastry charts are not the whole story. Natal charts come into play, as do progressed charts composite and natal and that is what makes everything complicated and harder to understand. IP: Logged
starmoon Knowflake Posts: 1517 From: Registered: Sep 2011	posted December 12, 2014 08:50 AM i do, of course. but perhaps for a different reason. i don't care so much about the readings, because people ultimately do/think what they want, so readings are pointless. there is no degree in astrology, so it's all just someone's opinion, ultimately. but synastry is the only way astrology can be proven, because it generates viable statistics and is quantitative and qualitative, and can be studied in longevity, given marriage. from that perspective it's vital for astrology, but whether you buy into it or not doesn't matter. statistically, it's important. but, i do date by sign. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 58787 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted December 12, 2014 08:57 AM I mean that the synastry will play out whether or not people want it lol ------------------ Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 8500 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014	posted December 12, 2014 09:00 AM quote: Originally posted by starmoon: i do, of course. but perhaps for a different reason. i don't care so much about the readings, because people ultimately do/think what they want, so readings are pointless. there is no degree in astrology, so it's all just someone's opinion, ultimately. but synastry is the only way astrology can be proven, because it generates viable statistics and is quantitative and qualitative, and can be studied in longevity, given marriage. from that perspective it's vital for astrology, but whether you buy into it or not doesn't matter. statistically, it's important. but, i do date by sign. what do you mean you date by sign?? you only date certain sun signs? really? I wasn't expecting this from you, starmoon What about the other placements? ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged
MineAgain Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Nov 2013	posted December 12, 2014 09:03 AM I don't really believe in charts except for the natal ones. Whether it's composite, synastry or horary. You can't really tell what is going to happen from a chart. A chart can be a good indicator of the qualities and flaws but it can't predict the future. I think people sometimes forget that astrology should be used as an indicator tool not a conclusive evidence. If you feel as though you get along really well with a person yet your synastry is terrible, would you dump them because of what a synastry chart supposedly says? No. You have to use your heart, brain, logic and intuition to dissociate these pieces and articulate your own conclusion. Furthermore, charts are always subjected to interpretation which can significantly vary from one reader to another. If the reader is more or less experienced, they can lead you to a dead-end road should you trust them 100%. You have to keep in mind that nothing is 100% accurate. You have to use your own judgment. If you blindly rely on these charts to the point where it diminishes the power of your own free will and judgment, then I'd advise you not to generate any. A large majority of people don't even know what a synastry/composite chart is and they conduct their personal lives perfectly. Astrology is great but your own free will has to come first. You can't rely on astrology to make decisions or judge a situation for you. Sometimes it's best not to use any astrology tool and just follow your instincts. Trust me, you'll be happier doing so. The contradictions some charts trigger can drive you insane. You have to detach from these biased interpretations and do you! IP: Logged
fairaqua Knowflake Posts: 719 From: Registered: Feb 2011	posted December 12, 2014 09:08 AM I used to but really I kind of roll my eyes at all the people squawking and flapping over their synastry charts. If someone knows a good bit about astrology and is asking a more relative question than the puppy love "are we ment to be" "I haven't even been on our first date but will we spend the rest of our lives together" I will be more interested... IP: Logged
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 879 From: Miami Registered: Sep 2014	posted December 12, 2014 09:22 AM Astrology works and synastry works but all relationships no matter what type of relationship will involve challenging aspects so the purpose of looking at synastry is not to decide whether to date someone or not but to better understand why things play out the way they do and try to better deal with them. Self fulfilling prophecy is very real but is a cop out to say that astrology is not real and is just a self fulfilling prophecy....lots of people who don't belief in astrology go through things that can be explained by looking at the transits they are going through; further lots of people who don't belief in astrology are described too well by looking at their chart. The purpose of astrology is to gain understanding or get access to that missing puzzle. I think is a very valuable tool for those who know how to use it and reap its benefits and people who don't belief in it do miss out and that is their lost. IP: Logged
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 879 From: Miami Registered: Sep 2014	posted December 12, 2014 09:34 AM quote: Originally posted by MineAgain: I don't really believe in charts except for the natal ones. Whether it's composite, synastry or horary. You can't really tell what is going to happen from a chart. A chart can be a good indicator of the qualities and flaws but it can't predict the future. I think people sometimes forget that astrology should be used as an indicator tool not a conclusive evidence. If you feel as though you get along really well with a person yet your synastry is terrible, would you dump them because of what a synastry chart supposedly says? No. You have to use your heart, brain, logic and intuition to dissociate these pieces and articulate your own conclusion. Furthermore, charts are always subjected to interpretation which can significantly vary from one reader to another. If the reader is more or less experienced, they can lead you to a dead-end road should you trust them 100%. You have to keep in mind that nothing is 100% accurate. You have to use your own judgment. If you blindly rely on these charts to the point where it diminishes the power of your own free will and judgment, then I'd advise you not to generate any. A large majority of people don't even know what a synastry/composite chart is and they conduct their personal lives perfectly. Astrology is great but your own free will has to come first. You can't rely on astrology to make decisions or judge a situation for you. Sometimes it's best not to use any astrology tool and just follow your instincts. Trust me, you'll be happier doing so. The contradictions some charts trigger can drive you insane. You have to detach from these biased interpretations and do you! Its not conclusive evidence but it does deal with probabilities or odds but in the end is how you deal with the odds that will make the difference. Also charts have contradictions because humans have contradictions......I can be very optimistic and also very pessimistic, I could have very high self esteem and also very low self esteem; that fluctuation can be explained by my chart ruler jupiter conjunct uranus opposing chiron and the tsquare between sun in the 10th and moon in pisces in the 4th with neptune in the first at the focal point. Also with sun in virgo opposing moon in pisces I can go from very scientifically minded and skeptical to spiritually minded.... Humans are often walking contradictions and sometimes this leads to been called a hypocrite, cognitive dissonance and double think. People and life are complex and so is astrology naturally; that is why astrology is both an art and a science. IP: Logged
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 879 From: Miami Registered: Sep 2014	posted December 12, 2014 09:37 AM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: I mean that the synastry will play out whether or not people want it lol IP: Logged
LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1295 From: Registered: Sep 2013	posted December 12, 2014 10:10 AM quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Self fulfilling prophecy is very real but is a cop out to say that astrology is not real and is just a self fulfilling prophecy....lots of people who don't belief in astrology go through things that can be explained by looking at the transits they are going through; further lots of people who don't belief in astrology are described too well by looking at their chart. The purpose of astrology is to gain understanding or get access to that missing puzzle. The thing with self full filling prophecy is really about driving the relationship to play out in a negative way. Since I believe that astrology can play out in good and bad ways, if someone reads that xyz aspect means that your partner will cheat on your when really that's simple not always true, then you will become paranoid, suspicions, etc and then basically drive your partner to do just the thing you feared. This is not only true for astrology though. If your friend tells you s/he doesn't trust your partner and you let that get in your head then the same thing can happen. Not that I'm at all saying it would be "your fault" if that were to happen. Only that letting the negatives drive us cause us to wreak havoc on our love lives. If you DO need to let astrology drive your life and your decisions there is not reason you can't look at the positive manifestations and allow THOSE to drive you instead. IP: Logged
starmoon Knowflake Posts: 1517 From: Registered: Sep 2011	posted December 12, 2014 10:41 AM quote: Originally posted by MineAgain: I don't really believe in charts except for the natal ones. Whether it's composite, synastry or horary. You can't really tell what is going to happen from a chart. A chart can be a good indicator of the qualities and flaws but it can't predict the future. I think people sometimes forget that astrology should be used as an indicator tool not a conclusive evidence. If you feel as though you get along really well with a person yet your synastry is terrible, would you dump them because of what a synastry chart supposedly says? No. You have to use your heart, brain, logic and intuition to dissociate these pieces and articulate your own conclusion. Furthermore, charts are always subjected to interpretation which can significantly vary from one reader to another. If the reader is more or less experienced, they can lead you to a dead-end road should you trust them 100%. You have to keep in mind that nothing is 100% accurate. You have to use your own judgment. If you blindly rely on these charts to the point where it diminishes the power of your own free will and judgment, then I'd advise you not to generate any. A large majority of people don't even know what a synastry/composite chart is and they conduct their personal lives perfectly. Astrology is great but your own free will has to come first. You can't rely on astrology to make decisions or judge a situation for you. Sometimes it's best not to use any astrology tool and just follow your instincts. Trust me, you'll be happier doing so. The contradictions some charts trigger can drive you insane. You have to detach from these biased interpretations and do you! this is sage advice. there was a synastry study conducted with 32,000 charts of people they matched as couples randomly. the synastry for the randomly selected couples was no better than the married couples. meaning the probability of getting a sun/moon conjunction (for example) was no higher for married people than random people you meet on the street. it doesn't really bode well for being able to "see" aspects in a chart that are in any way meaningful. following your own course sans any chart is the best. people get married and into relationships all of the time without even knowing about astrology and they do just fine. synastry just increases the paranoia and/or joy over a relationship IP: Logged
Peluches Knowflake Posts: 129 From: France Registered: Jul 2014	posted December 12, 2014 11:23 AM I understand what you mean. Personally, I don't mind looking at synastry or people's charts to get an idea, because I remember to keep an open mind since astrology is very complex -- it's not just a theory IMO -- and I can't say I have a lot of experience, so... whatever I think, I might be wrong anytime. IP: Logged
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 879 From: Miami Registered: Sep 2014	posted December 12, 2014 01:21 PM quote: Originally posted by LucieLemonade: The thing with self full filling prophecy is really about driving the relationship to play out in a negative way. Since I believe that astrology can play out in good and bad ways, if someone reads that xyz aspect means that your partner will cheat on your when really that's simple not always true, then you will become paranoid, suspicions, etc and then basically drive your partner to do just the thing you feared. This is not only true for astrology though. If your friend tells you s/he doesn't trust your partner and you let that get in your head then the same thing can happen. Not that I'm at all saying it would be "your fault" if that were to happen. Only that letting the negatives drive us cause us to wreak havoc on our love lives. If you DO need to let astrology drive your life and your decisions there is not reason you can't look at the positive manifestations and allow THOSE to drive you instead. I understand social psychology extremely well; its one of my favorites branches in psychology and my masters degree specializes in psychology. This is why I say that the purpose of astrology is to gain understanding and use it as a tool to help you maximize the good. My husband has a bunch of supposedly indicators of been a cheater but he is far from it. I know how to use astrology, if other people misuse it do to inexperience or ignorance I can't help that but this does not change that if you know what you are doing and use it right its a wonderful tool. 50% of people who are married end up divorced; there are plenty of people with "bad" synastry who stay together and plenty of people with "good" synastry who break up; there are tons of variables that contribute to that and can explain this. Synastry is NOT a predictive tool, its suppose to give you insight to better understand relationship dynamics; you can choose to do nothing with that information or use it to help build up the relationship or accept certain limitations that come with it as all relationships do. There are plenty of times that I have a certain dynamic with someone and I have no idea what their birthdate is and then later when I find out their birthdate and look at the synastry it confirms the dynamic we have. A lot of it its energy and you can then choose to change some things to help change the dynamic and use that energy constructively but it does not change that the potential its there for it to be used destructively and it will from time to time probably express itself in that manner until you both work at it hard enough to establish new patterns of relating... IP: Logged

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