posted January 12, 2015 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I'm not sure Viagra has anything to do with it. This is a bit offensive towards men, it suggests men won't remain with an older woman if they were able to get it up. Besides, to my knowledge, most 50y old men don't need Viagra I think many men can love even much deeper and in a more profound way than most women.

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Thank you, LeeLoo. I passed this by the other day because I couldn't pull together a coherent response.

Let's just say that as an older woman, I can confirm that all men older than 50 do not need Viagra to be good lovers. Or at least two of them don't. My current partner is 67 and he's the best I've ever had. My ex was pretty good too. As a person in my 60s, my love life (which includes my sex life) is the most passionate it has ever been. (I can hear the "icks" now, people : But wait long enough, you'll not find it so icky).

posted January 12, 2015 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Thank you, LeeLoo. I passed this by the other day because I couldn't pull together a coherent response.

Let's just say that as an older woman, I can confirm that all men older than 50 do not need Viagra to be good lovers. Or at least two of them don't. My current partner is 67 and he's the best I've ever had. My ex was pretty good too. As a person in my 60s, my love life (which includes my sex life) is the most passionate it has ever been. (I can hear the "icks" now, people : But wait long enough, you'll not find it so icky).

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I see nothing icky about this, on the contrary, I congratulate you and I am happy for you I want the same! Besides, 60 is the new 35!

posted January 12, 2015 11:03 PM            

The tabloids had leaked pics of him with other women ages ago. It was only in the most recent photo last year that she finally went ahead and divorced him.

It is said in Vedic astrology, that a male native with rahu in the 7th will stray repeatedly in marriage, which Antonio does have. His Saturn contacts likely kept him married to her despite not being faithful to her. But I'm starting to suspect, that synastry is only as strong as the environment. The people in my family grew up in a small island where divorce was rare and family was always first and foremost... so in that environment their good synastry contacts are enough for a life-long, happy marriage. But in an environment like hollywood even the best synastry will be a tough sell. In an environment where there's always some young, hot thing available in the side-lines, just one fight with the spouse can be enough to have you thinking that there's someone "better" rather than working on the marriage.

posted January 13, 2015 01:05 AM            

That's interesting, thanks, Manderin. He has Venus conjunct Pluto in the 7H. Venus-Pluto is prone to sexual triangles. And he's got an Aries Moon in hard aspect to Neptune.

Men with much younger women in the movie and entertainment industry seems pretty common. I saw a slide show on the net somewhere.

posted January 13, 2015 04:12 AM            

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[B]Well- let's be clear. Antonio has been cheating on Melanie for YEARS. And he didn't leave her. She left him. She finally got fed up with it.

The tabloids had leaked pics of him with other women ages ago. It was only in the most recent photo last year that she finally went ahead and divorced him.

It is said in Vedic astrology, that a male native with rahu in the 7th will stray repeatedly in marriage, which Antonio does have. His Saturn contacts likely kept him married to her despite not being faithful to her. But I'm starting to suspect, that synastry is only as strong as the environment. The people in my family grew up in a small island where divorce was rare and family was always first and foremost... so in that environment their good synastry contacts are enough for a life-long, happy marriage. But in an environment like hollywood even the best synastry will be a tough sell. In an environment where there's always some young, hot thing available in the side-lines, just one fight with the spouse can be enough to have you thinking that there's someone "better" rather than working on the marriage.

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First time I hear about this. I haven't seen pics of Banderas with other women during their marriage and I'm pretty sure MG wouldn't have accepted this. But again, I'm not a tabloid reader, however my mother is an avid one and she has confirmed she hasn't heard of this either. Maybe that's an info I missed: can you prove this with some links? Just because he was younger than her doesn't mean he was a cheater. In fact, Spain has a long tradition of faithful husbands and family men.

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Also I wanted to make clear that I said Viagra is often needed for a man over 50's to keep up with a MUCH younger woman. Like those young enough to be his daughter that many men that age are trying for nowadays. Viagra does have a lot to do with that. It's even been reported that in countries where it's legal to marry off child brides to men old enough to be their great grandfather, that little blue pill has played a large role in recent years. And I'll never forget the lawsuit against viagra about 12 years ago... These women who were married to wealthy men, got their husbands Viagra because they thought it would spice up their love life. Their husbands took the pills, but they started banging 25 year olds instead of their wives. So the wives literally sued the pharm company that makes Viagra because they claimed the marketing says the pill "helps marriages", but these ladies found out the pill did the opposite. I don't know who one the case, but I'm guessing they settled out of court.

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Sorry, but I think this is ridiculous. Men are not dogs or monkeys that you need to keep on a leash, with or without Viagra. True love makes people, men and women, sexually faithful because of their connection to the other that doesn't compare with a connection to anyone else, it's a connection of bodies and souls and sleeping with someone else would be a weird interference.

I find that suing someone for something like this is preposterous. As if these women believed Viagra is a medicine for training a man like you do to a dog. I reject these opinions you present here that men need to be coerced or forced to love or stay with one woman all their life, that this would be connected to their machinery working or not. Love is love. Clearly these marriages were not based on love, at least not anymore. Both men and women experience the midlife crisis and they may choose to live their Indian Summer with a younger lover, choose to re-experience the thrill of youth before the upcoming brush of death and break their previous bonds - in a way it is understandable - or stay faithful to their mate and family. Women can do that too nowadays. But IMO this choice has nothing to do with sexuality, this is a crisis mostly related to Thanatos, rather than Eros: this crisis makes you aware of the imminence of death.

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posted January 13, 2015 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Rainer Maria Rilke & Lou Andreas Salome

Rilke met and fell in love with Lou Andreas-Salome in 1897, when he was 21 and just beginning his life as a poet. She was an established writer 14 years older than Rilke. Their relationship took changing forms from lovers, to mentor and protege, and deepest personal and literary allies. Even after their relationship ended in 1900, Lou remained his most important confidante until the end of his life.

As expected, they have many connections in their synastry, including significant hard aspects of Saturn:

Lou's Sun is conjunct Rilke's Moon
Her Saturn opposes his Moon
Sun-Saturn, DW
Venus square Neptune, DW
Venus trine Pluto, DW
His Jupiter conjuncts her Vertex
Her Chiron conjuncts his Vertex*
His Saturn squares her Valentine
Her Jupiter is conjunct his Valentine

In the house overlay to his chart (her TOB unknown),

Lou's Venus and NN is in Rilke's 5H
Lou's Moon-Neptune is in Rilke's 7H
Lou's Mars is conjunct Rilke's Neptune (7H R)
in his 8H

They have one Cinderella Linkage and one Nuclear Clash (both exact):

Lou's Jupiter trines his Chiron
Rilke's Saturn opposes Lou's Jupiter

*Rilke suffered from bipolar disorder. Lou had trained as a psychoanalyst under Freud and shared her knowledge with Rilke. I wonder if her Chiron on his Vertex is a correlation to what may have been an analyst-patient relationship as well. Lou also has Jupiter and Saturn in Rilke's 12H.

I'm particularly intrigued by the two Valentine aspects: His Saturn square to her Valentine, and her Jupiter conjunction to his Valentine. It must have been a substantial test of her Valentine to have a lover with bi-polar syndrome.

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wow the intellectual artistic romantic Neptunian Uranian vibe in these charts is so intense! I don't see the carnal connection though I love that composite trapezoid with Sun/Moon/Pluto and Neptune on mdp.

posted January 13, 2015 09:37 AM            

According to the traditional society/model, women's goal was (is) to "secure" a male for a lifetime, whilst males fooling around was more or less tolerated. Once this traditional model collapses and people no longer stay married because they fear god, or what neighbors think, or the law, and once both males and females become financially independent from each other and, obviously, educated - which is in fact the greatest accomplishment of modernity - these two traditional models/expectations will also collapse. It is interesting to see, in the future, what happens in a global society where the sole reason for staying married to someone is love and companionship: will most men and women attempt an Indian Summer? will all relationships have a 5-10 year duration? We need more time to see how this works. But, at least in my view, absolute freedom of choice and independence on all levels for all people is the only way anyway, the only model.

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posted January 13, 2015 01:06 PM            

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Also I wanted to make clear that I said Viagra is often needed for a man over 50's to keep up with a MUCH younger woman. Like those young enough to be his daughter that many men that age are trying for nowadays...

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This makes no sense whatsoever, and now you seem to be insulting both older men and older women by making such a generalization.

You (at least I think it was you) said (I paraphrase) that before Viagra, there was no sex, only friendship, for older couples. You are wrong.

When I was a young woman, I did not have any interest in a man who thinks he needs young women to be a man, and I have no interest in them now. They are typically shallow, selfish and immature. Very few women want a shallow, selfish and immature man, regardless of the age of the man or the woman.

That does not preclude the possibility that some older men (who are not shallow) truly fall in love with much younger women and vice versa; or that some older women truly fall in love with younger men.

posted January 13, 2015 01:29 PM            

And Moon square Saturn?

Venus-Uranus trine?

Is it my imagination or are there quite a few aspects here that would not be considered all that positive by some astrologers?

I'm really a neophyte at reading bi-wheels; it's hard for me partly because I'm not a visual person. What am I missing? I'm sure lot. I should probably be looking at sign and house placements, chart ruler, house 5,7,8 rulers etc. in the natals first shouldn't I?

Can we take the Reagan chart and do a Synastry 101 type of discussion first? Walk us through each baby step maybe?

posted January 14, 2015 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I don't see the carnal connection though I love that composite trapezoid with Sun/Moon/Pluto and Neptune on mdp.

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posted January 15, 2015 06:37 PM            

I was 32 dating a 51 year old. He did NOT need Viagra at all! And to top it off, he is a dancer and his body is just AMAZING. Everything nice and tight lol!

I am currently 36 married to 49. No sign of Viagra in our near future either.

posted January 16, 2015 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think many men can love even much deeper and in a more profound way than most women.

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Now there's a view that runs counter to common perception. I agree there are some men who can, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "in a more profound way than MOST women."

posted January 19, 2015 11:27 PM            

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ronald reagan and nancy reagan love story -

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I have to admit I like them as a couple. When I look at their charts I can totally see how they were each other's 'type'. I know nothing about their politics so I'll stay out of that.

She has a stellium in his 7th, and 8th houses, and her Venus is in his 5th house. He has Juno in Libra and she has Libra rising. His Moon in the 5th house attracts him to Cancer in a 5th house way as well as a 7th/8th house way. She sure has a lot of Cancer. His Moon in the 5th house also attracts him to Leo in a lunar way. She has Moon in Leo ruling her Cancer stellium. His Secondary 7th house was the 3rd house due to him having a Gemini Dsc. His 3rd house cusp is Pisces ruled by Neptune in Cancer, and Venus is conjunct the 3rd house cusp. This relates back to her Cancer placements (again), and her having a Libra rising ruled by a Taurus Venus.

He has Sun conjunct her 5th house cusp, and Moon in her 8th house. He has Mercury, Mars, and Uranus (ruling his Sun) in Capricorn, and she has Juno in Capricorn.. Also, Saturn ruling his Cap stellium falls into her 7th house. Her 7th house ruler is in the 9th house and he has Sagittarius rising. Her 5th house ruler is in Pisces, and his Venus is in that sign, and in her 5th house. His Mars in the 1st house close to the Asc matches her Aries Dsc. Her secondary 7th house is the 1st house due to her having an Aries Dsc. She has Libra on the Asc ruled by Venus in Taurus. This relates back to his Moon in Taurus.

posted January 20, 2015 11:15 AM            

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About Melanie and Antonio. I liked them as a couple because their synastry and house connections showed a very strong attraction. However, I wouldn't be suprised if there were some unhealthy aspects to their relationship due to the type of people they are, or issues they may have had. I don't know them. This is just my impression from the media. So who knows.

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I agree. I believe the same happened with Liz Taylor and Burton, clearly a great love, but drowning it in alcohol, greed, materialism, stardom and other personal issues and negative energies will eventually destroy it, no matter how great.

posted September 10, 2015 12:42 PM            

She went against the Royal establishment with of him.

Her Pluto squares his Mars, his PLuto squares her Venus ( 0'), talking about passion.

His Saturn opposes her Venus

posted September 10, 2015 12:46 PM            

married in 1992

bore a child in 2000 when she was 45 and he was in his 60's

look like always in love.

posted September 14, 2015 10:32 AM            

Also, impressive to see the number of Yods in significant relationships. Here we have yet another two (although the first one is more of a mdp Yod). Composite Yod is a strong sign of a fated relationship.

But of course, Di is a famous Jupiter Yod bearer. Am I mistaken, or is Dodi a Pluto Yod?

Other famous composite Yods:

posted November 21, 2015 10:59 PM            

ASC/DSC conjunction grabbed my eyes first, with her Nodes across his angles and her Moon on his ASC..
His Saturn sits at the top, squaring both of theor angles, the Nodes and her Moon. That's some Saturn force right there!

The Composite features at least 3 YODS

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and Composite: