posted December 30, 2014 02:27 AM            

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Originally posted by bttrklk:
i saw and had been in a couple of relationships with this aspect. what i observed is that the pluto person is actually more powerful than the venus person especially in regard to intelligence and money but foolishly falls for the shallow venusian traits and the physical beauty of the venus person and attributes some soulful qualities to the venus person who in fact doesn't have those qualities.pluto people! please remember that having a beautiful face or body doesn't necessarily mean having a beautiful soul. please know the venus person before trying hard to make the venus person love you and chasing the venus person. please wait a second and try to think in a rational way and ask yourself that "does that person worth it?" please don't make it rain expensive gifts to show how much you love the venus person because you can't be sure about that the venus person loves you or loves the living standarts you can afford for him/her. please remember that the planet venus which rules love also rules money! let's look at the signs that venus rules : taurus and libra. loving money and feeling secure when money is had is a taurean trait. feeling that you are worthy when people around you like you (the mirroring effect) is a libran trait. so, these are venusian traits. when you constantly give expensive gifts to the venus person, the venus person feels valuable and in this way you also mirror him/her that he/she is valuable and then you can have her but actually there is a risk that the venus person doesn't fall for you but falls for his/her own worth which is mirrored to him/her by you. did you like the venus person before she/he gave you expensive gifts? yes. so, expect the same from venus. if you can love someone before taking things from that person, please expect the same. other way, in a relationship that starts like that is the perfect plateau for using money and beauty as a manipulation tool. do you want to struggle with a person who flirts with other people just to threat you that you won't be given love but some other people will be? and venus people! please don't fall for your own worth that is mirrored by the pluto person and ask yourself that "in this relationship, do i love the pluto person or my mirrored self? because pluto is the wisest of all and when pluto senses that you only love yourself, your red carpet will be taken away under your feet harshly and you will fall flat on the ground, probably without money and your mirrored self worth. both of pluto and venus people! please question your motivations and intentions before committing in a relationship, otherwise, both of you will be prone to manipulate each other by using your own tools and a transit like pluto-dsc, pluto-venus or if you marry or live in the same house without marrying, a transit like pluto-moon or pluto-ic may hit you hard!

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bttrklk, thanks for sharing. I am particularly struck by your comment about Venus loving their self worth mirrored by their Pluto partner. I've experienced Venus-Pluto in synastry, but with someone with natal Venus-Pluto opposition. The only way I can describe it is it felt like being in a hornet's nest and I had to finesse my way out of it very carefully.

Natal Venus-Pluto is prone to sexual triangles. Have you noticed this in the synastry as well?

posted December 30, 2014 05:00 AM            

the man used to seem like the most cute, gentle man in the world. in that relationship the man was acting out the venus and the woman was acting out the pluto. once i read about venus-pluto opp men and it was written that those men commit to people who can act out his own plutonic side. and this was the case in that relationship. that man used to rely on the protection of his partner (in regard to money too). the other people around him were also powerful figures but he was almost like a lady. all the thing he does was acting cutely, smiling, charming. he used to rely on the protection of his partner, he used to have material advantage from her and he was flirting with other women at the same time. not dating but flirting by acting promiscuously. he used to create teomporary triangles in this way and at the same time he was making his partner jelaous and in this way he was taking more attention from his partner.

posted December 30, 2014 06:40 AM            

OMG... Always!!!

I have it natally.... The more mess up the situation the more attraction. lol

Pluto= Taboo
Venus= Love

Your either in love or control but never both.

posted December 31, 2014 03:00 AM            

My fiancé has Pluto in Virgo conj Dsc, opp, Venus/Asc in Pisces. He is a very male in a female way. Very "Venus". Very "not guilty".

I have A LOT of Pluto squares and progressed Pluto conj Asc. I am a very strong female! Mars is also conjunct my Virgo Asc and it makes me a female with male kinda qualities. We are total opposites but very alike.

What you all have written and the things from his past, mixed with things that has happened and how he acts makes me think of.....things....
There's always been something about him I haven't been able to put my finger on but I'm getting there, slowly...

His Pluto is strong but mine is stronger and I trust mine.

posted December 31, 2014 06:00 AM            

venus in pisces conj asc person may be seeing and presenting himself as an innocent, dreamy and fragile person. due to the virgo dsc, this person may be projecting his criticizing and counting side to other people which means that he can complain that other people are very counting and criticizing. in fact, he also has these attitudes but doesn't want to see it because it's the shadow. because of that his pluto conj his dsc, he can also project his pluto side to other people which means that this person perceives that other people always try to manipulate him but he doesn't perceive his manipulative side. in his opinion, he may be always the one who has to protect him from other people but actually what he does in the name of "protecting himself" may be the sheer manipulation on other people.

posted December 31, 2014 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by bttrklk:
charlie, asc is how we present ourselves to the outside world and dsc is how we project our shadow to people in our one-to-one relationships.

venus in pisces conj asc person may be seeing and presenting himself as an innocent, dreamy and fragile person. due to the virgo dsc, this person may be projecting his criticizing and counting side to other people which means that he can complain that other people are very counting and criticizing. in fact, he also has these attitudes but doesn't want to see it because it's the shadow. because of that his pluto conj his dsc, he can also project his pluto side to other people which means that this person perceives that other people always try to manipulate him but he doesn't perceive his manipulative side. in his opinion, he may be always the one who has to protect him from other people but actually what he does in the name of "protecting himself" may be the sheer manipulation on other people.

the pluto-venus emphasis is strong in your fiance's chart which may mean that he is very much prone to manipulation in his relationships, so please don't ignore your gut feeling and instinct. i don't and can't tell you that he is a bad person or he will harm you because i don't know him in person. i just state my opinion on his natal chart aspects.

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I listen to my gut and my Pluto is "awake", and waiting. It sounds bad, I know, but I have never been wrong! What is fun though, and probably worse than bad, is that HE knows, to atleast 90%, that I know what he is doing, but he is not 100% sure, which makes him wonder what is going on in my head. He has done things that has made me react the way he has anticipated but in my head I am the opposite.

This sounds so bad when typing it out :-/

I wonder if it's just 2 Pluto at war..trying to size eachother up..I just can't get passed the feeling of feeling watched..but I can't see why because his Venus/Asc is blinding me.

posted January 02, 2015 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
bttrklk, thanks for sharing. I am particularly struck by your comment about Venus loving their self worth mirrored by their Pluto partner. I've experienced Venus-Pluto in synastry, but with someone with natal Venus-Pluto opposition. The only way I can describe it is it felt like being in a hornet's nest and I had to finesse my way out of it very carefully.

Natal Venus-Pluto is prone to sexual triangles. Have you noticed this in the synastry as well?

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posted January 02, 2015 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by nikki01:
omw this is true my entire love relationsship have been based on love triangles and more

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I've noticed with natal Venus-Pluto conjunctions and hard aspects, that these seem to require a confrontation with and a purging of the unredeemed patterns and neuroses that get in the way of being and expressing love, a trial by fire and a radical metamorphosis. I suspect the same is required with Venus-Pluto in synastry. But, that what happens most frequently is what bttrklk is describing, a projection of the Plutonic shadow onto the other person.

posted January 02, 2015 11:18 PM            

By then it's a relief.

Can any venus relate

posted January 03, 2015 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
Pluto can be a dck. I've ended up finding sanctum in vanity as venus because the alternative is to be destroyed. And I've opened up to that but it feels like having the heart stabbed repeatedly. To the point where I've thought they must hate me. Now I can undergo the requisite transformation and possession but if it's miserable I'll try find comfort, some sign they like me (vanity) until I can't.

By then it's a relief.

Can any venus relate

Or is that just me

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It's all fun and games...

I haven't had a Venus square Pluto relationships that hasn't end up like that

It may just be my natal Sun(11th Ruler) square Dejanira and Nessus conjunct Mars(7th ruler).

posted January 03, 2015 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Virgo28:
It's all fun and games...

I haven't had a Venus square Pluto relationships that hasn't end up like that

It may just be my natal Sun(11th Ruler) square Dejanira and Nessus conjunct Mars(7th ruler).

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Yeah it's a real barrel of laughs. I laughed about it long and hard

I can agree there's something about learning to love in this aspect. I just personally found I became more of an image of myself in such synastry because either I couldn't get down and dirty enough < Pluto for the prosecution, or it became the only place I could exist < venus for defence.

posted January 03, 2015 10:49 PM            

They usually fail to tell me all this before they start putting effort into our relationship. I find out eventually and either end it or I'm left trying to deal with the stress of their breakups and the women hating me.
I'm sick of getting hurt!
I don't deal with it anymore! I walk but yet every time I meet a new guy it's the same scenario playing out....what am I missing?
Do I need to start my own triangle with two single guys? That's sounds like a lot more fun than being one of two women!!

By the way....
Pluto libra@11 trines Neptune saggy@11
Jupiter aries@15 opposed Venus libra@19
Chiron aries@24 in 7th opposes Venus
Vertex aries@21-Destin libra@21

posted January 03, 2015 11:13 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
Yeah it's a real barrel of laughs. I laughed about it long and hard

I can agree there's something about learning to love in this aspect. I just personally found I became more of an image of myself in such synastry because either I couldn't get down and dirty enough < Pluto for the prosecution, or it became the only place I could exist < venus for defence.

Fully admire anyone who can handle it - I think virgos have more grace than Taurus (with Leo Mars) with such things. Even tho have venus sesq Pluto natally and merc-Pluto I failed terribly. My sun-Chiron has enough of that to occupy itself with.

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Lol... Spot on!!

I'm Leo Mars and Sun Square Chiron btw

posted January 03, 2015 11:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I have Pluto/Venus conjunct on my AC....which is libra so it's a very strong Venus....how do you stop the constant love triangles?? I'm so sick of always finding guys who are in the middle of realizing they are done with their relationship but are only starting to make it a reality. I guess I'm a good excuse or a reason to do that?

They usually fail to tell me all this before they start putting effort into our relationship. I find out eventually and either end it or I'm left trying to deal with the stress of their breakups and the women hating me.
I'm sick of getting hurt!
I don't deal with it anymore! I walk but yet every time I meet a new guy it's the same scenario playing out....what am I missing?
Do I need to start my own triangle with two single guys? That's sounds like a lot more fun than being one of two women!!

By the way....
Pluto libra@11 trines Neptune saggy@11
Jupiter aries@15 opposed Venus libra@19
Chiron aries@24 in 7th opposes Venus
Vertex aries@21-Destin libra@21

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You speed up the process...

I see it as the element of destruction!

posted January 03, 2015 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Virgo28:
You speed up the process...

I see it as the element of destruction!

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I hate hate hate it!! I just want to be in love not the reason a man destroys the foundation in his life! They are such a mess after that for awhile, I want stability not destruction!!

posted January 03, 2015 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I hate hate hate it!! I just want to be in love not the reason a man destroys the foundation in his life! They are such a mess after that for awhile, I want stability not destruction!!

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Libra Venus are beautiful!!!

I understand the feeling.

In my case women become [Pluto square Venus] tyrants and awfully cruel(If older). Or [Saturn square Mars, Saturn conjunct Moon, Pluto square Mars]Restrictive and aggressive(If younger).

posted January 03, 2015 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Virgo28:
Libra Venus are beautiful!!!

I understand the feeling.

In my case women become [Pluto square Venus] tyrants and awfully cruel(If older). Or [Saturn square Mars, Saturn conjunct Moon, Pluto square Mars]Restrictive and aggressive(If younger).

Thank God for my Moon conj Uranus. If I had a cancer moon, I would be destroyed by now.

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posted January 03, 2015 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
How do we change these things? How do we turn the energy into something positive?

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It's Karma Dear...

I really don't take relationships seriously anymore, too much of a hassle. I just take turn being Pluto or Venus lol.

Do you fall out of love when you play the Pluto?

posted January 04, 2015 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Virgo28:
It's Karma Dear...

I really don't take relationships seriously anymore, too much of a hassle. I just take turn being Pluto or Venus lol.

Do you fall out of love when you play the Pluto?

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Yes, always! Pluto is downright evil and when they play with my heart and hurt me or lie to me, their lives fall apart in serious ways! The worst case a guy who seriously destroyed me as a child(or at least tried) got murdered, another was a guy who committed suicide, another lost his career....another got screwed out of all the money he was supposed to make doing a particular job all the while lying about what he was doing.

My Pluto libra@11.03 AC libra@7.05, Karma libra@5.49
If they touch my karma, it's bad news for them to lie to me.

posted January 04, 2015 12:04 AM            

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Thank God for my Moon conj Uranus. If I had a cancer moon, I would be destroyed by now.[/B]

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lol. I have a Moon-Uranus conjunction in Cancer. My Uranus is what saves me.

posted January 04, 2015 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Yes, always! Pluto is downright evil and when they play with my heart and hurt me or lie to me, their lives fall apart in serious ways! The worst case a guy who seriously destroyed me as a child(or at least tried) got murdered, another was a guy who committed suicide, another lost his career....another got screwed out of all the money he was supposed to make doing a particular job all the while lying about what he was doing.

My Pluto libra@11.03 AC libra@7.05, Karma libra@5.49
If they touch my karma, it's bad news for them to lie to me.

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Poor Thing!!!

I'm Libra ASC 18.01 degrees.

Don't Plz

posted January 04, 2015 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Virgo28:

Poor Thing!!!

I'm Libra ASC 18.01 degrees.

Don't Plz

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Really?? Wow that's hot for us! I have a virgo moon!

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