posted January 01, 2015 08:19 AM            

I had previously thought that NN contacts in synastry were new people coming into your life to teach you something, and SN represented old debts that need to be settled. So I am confused where there is both SN and NN conjunctions.

In this synastry I have with my current love, we have the following aspects that I think relate to karmic debt or even soulmate contact. With relation to Karmic debt, who would owes what and to whom?

My planets are on the left his on the right,

Venus conjunct NN
Karma conjunct NN
Ceres conjunct SN
Lilith conjunct SN
Asc Conjunct Karma
Pluto conjunct Karma
Moon sq Saturn
Saturn sq moon
Sun conjunct Saturn
IC conjunct Moon

I should also mention I have mars in the same sign as my venus. He also has venus conjunct his NN in leo. He has moon in aquarius but its not conjuncting his SN. His moon, however conjuncts my IC. His mars squares both nodes.

posted January 01, 2015 10:07 PM            

NNODE contacts show where we need to develop; it's with whom and how we're to evolve.

SNODE is what we've done; where we're moving from. It's what we've already tackled, and might have outstanding.

These are unlikely to be 'new' souls. We'll occasionally have involvement with a group only in a single timeline, but most often, there will be many crossovers.

Even though there are NNODE contacts, it's more likely to show that THIS time, in the here are now, is significant for the two souls in relationship.

posted January 01, 2015 11:59 PM            

Doesn't the purpose seem contradictory ? :/
Or does it mean both SN/DC and NN/Venus themes end up playing out?

And what about the squares and the trines?

posted January 02, 2015 03:11 AM            

The NODES crossing the horizon is one of the more powerful ties in synastry. It's fated and binding. There's karma to clear in terms of the relationship's purpose (SNODE conjunct DSC) but growth in terms of identity and soul evolution (ASC conjunct NNODE). I have this with my husband, 3°.

NNODE conjunct VENUS is one of my personal favourites. My Guardian and I have this (4°). We can expand to 6° comfortably in karmic synastry, once patterns are established; especially as his KARMA is conjunct my NNODE (2°30) as well, with his SNODE conjunct my KARMA (0°).

In my experience, that's been indicative of our relationship: SNODE/KARMA and KARMA/NNODE.

The greatest debt owed in the pattern, his SNODE to my KARMA, is to settle the karmic debt which has been outstanding between us. He 'owes' that to me, as symbolised by his SNODE to my KARMA.

However, my greatest evolution and growth can be found as a result of the karma being cleared -- his KARMA to my NNODE. This is significant for us here, today, in this timeline / lifetime / eigenstate / dimension; I know that by the NNODE presence.

Unsurprising, our relationship is both artistic and with a romantic component, with his VENUS' involvement. On the other hand, there's not much he gains towards his NNODE from this. It's instead depicted by his Huber NNODE degree being the exact same as my NNODE. His karma and destiny here has been shaped by the third-dimensional plane to resonate to the same aspects as my own. It's almost a mirror; what conjoins my NNODE tropically creates a 'House conjunction' as it shares the Huber degree.

Of course, other features of our karma -- what's cleared versus outstanding -- can be witnessed through Draco and sidereal synastry. As expected, Draco conjunctions to tropical NODES create a powerful resonance, revealing both karmic reward and debt.

There's not much which elevates his NNODE around him. But, like myself, his PEs are NNODE oriented all the same. The innate focus to evolve is present, ingrained, in his soul's energetic pattern here. With me, it seems more to do with allowing him TO clear such karma and settle outstanding debts, so that he CAN achieve the prospect of his NNODE-driven lifetime (as shown by the Prenatal Solar and Lunar Eclipses, both.)

There's always a paranoia that, once debts are clear, the relationship will end.

Fortunately, I've discovered NNODE-VENUS to be a powerful buffer against it. Regardless of 'for whom' it is, or who receives the most benefit (NNODE bearer), you can bet, if the other's SNODE is what's most active in the synastry, it's because the SNODE individual owes these things to the one whose NNODE conjoins their personal planet.

That way, we see a balance taking place between the two. The NNODE is receiving the benefit of soul growth and evolution thanks to the SNODE settling their outstanding karmic debts with them.

If it's a lot of activity, it'll take awhile to clear. Nonetheless, the SNODE 'owes' the positivity and spiritual and personal development to the NNODE individual. So the relationship is likely to continue in this fashion until certain evolution is attained.

When you see VERTICES action and KARMA aspected, that's where we also tend to see the subtleties of debts owed by the NNODE, too. After all, it's his KARMA to my NNODE. In a weird way, I help sort through some of his karma by achieving the level of spiritual growth that I'm meant to.

Long story short -- balance and resonance denotes longevity. The more interconnected, the longer it takes to sort through, and the more involvement the souls have between them.

posted January 02, 2015 04:13 AM            

I completely resonate with the owing now. Thanks again for your awesome interpretation

BUT I got even more curious and read up about Sedna, go figure- it's on my SN, which is conjunct his DC, opposite my venus/his NN.. and his is on my MC, opposite my venus!
Wondering what the heck happened between us... (Or what *will* happen)

God.. there is so much more with other asteroids.. my head is spinning.

posted January 02, 2015 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
You want your NODAL involvement balanced for the long term. Once karmic debts are settled (SNODE) the relationship needs to have a direction in which to grow (NNODE).

The NODES crossing the horizon is one of the more powerful ties in synastry. It's fated and binding. There's karma to clear in terms of the relationship's purpose (SNODE conjunct DSC) but growth in terms of identity and soul evolution (ASC conjunct NNODE). I have this with my husband, 3°.

NNODE conjunct VENUS is one of my personal favourites. My Guardian and I have this (4°). We can expand to 6° comfortably in karmic synastry, once patterns are established; especially as his KARMA is conjunct my NNODE (2°30) as well, with his SNODE conjunct my KARMA (0°).

In my experience, that's been indicative of our relationship: SNODE/KARMA and KARMA/NNODE.

The greatest debt owed in the pattern, his SNODE to my KARMA, is to settle the karmic debt which has been outstanding between us. He 'owes' that to me, as symbolised by his SNODE to my KARMA.

However, my greatest evolution and growth can be found as a result of the karma being cleared -- his KARMA to my NNODE. This is significant for us here, today, in this timeline / lifetime / eigenstate / dimension; I know that by the NNODE presence.

Unsurprising, our relationship is both artistic and with a romantic component, with his VENUS' involvement. On the other hand, there's not much he gains towards his NNODE from this. It's instead depicted by his Huber NNODE degree being the exact same as my NNODE. His karma and destiny here has been shaped by the third-dimensional plane to resonate to the same aspects as my own. It's almost a mirror; what conjoins my NNODE tropically creates a 'House conjunction' as it shares the Huber degree.

Of course, other features of our karma -- what's cleared versus outstanding -- can be witnessed through Draco and sidereal synastry. As expected, Draco conjunctions to tropical NODES create a powerful resonance, revealing both karmic reward and debt.

There's not much which elevates his NNODE around him. But, like myself, his PEs are NNODE oriented all the same. The innate focus to evolve is present, ingrained, in his soul's energetic pattern here. With me, it seems more to do with allowing him TO clear such karma and settle outstanding debts, so that he CAN achieve the prospect of his NNODE-driven lifetime (as shown by the Prenatal Solar and Lunar Eclipses, both.)

There's always a paranoia that, once debts are clear, the relationship will end.

Fortunately, I've discovered NNODE-VENUS to be a powerful buffer against it. Regardless of 'for whom' it is, or who receives the most benefit (NNODE bearer), you can bet, if the other's SNODE is what's most active in the synastry, it's because the SNODE individual owes these things to the one whose NNODE conjoins their personal planet.

That way, we see a balance taking place between the two. The NNODE is receiving the benefit of soul growth and evolution thanks to the SNODE settling their outstanding karmic debts with them.

If it's a lot of activity, it'll take awhile to clear. Nonetheless, the SNODE 'owes' the positivity and spiritual and personal development to the NNODE individual. So the relationship is likely to continue in this fashion until certain evolution is attained.

When you see VERTICES action and KARMA aspected, that's where we also tend to see the subtleties of debts owed by the NNODE, too. After all, it's his KARMA to my NNODE. In a weird way, I help sort through some of his karma by achieving the level of spiritual growth that I'm meant to.

Long story short -- balance and resonance denotes longevity. The more interconnected, the longer it takes to sort through, and the more involvement the souls have between them.

NNODE links are wonderful hints to karmic rewards that can be reaped once hard lessons are learnt and debt is settled.

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posted January 02, 2015 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
SNODE owes the planet or point.

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I think that you had mentioned somewhere that lilith/SN indicates rejection or betryal

posted January 02, 2015 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by VacantGazer:
I think that you had mentioned somewhere that lilith/SN indicates rejection or betryal

How would Ceres and lilith conjuncting SN would play out? As Ceres and lilith are quite different. Is it that Ceres nurtures but Sn doesnt like it and rejects(lilith).

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CERES/LILITH conjunct SNODE?

Have you ever had the sense you abandoned him as a child? Rather, you were a mother who couldn't handle the responsibilities of motherhood, and fled? CERES and LILITH are extremely contradictory energies -- the ultimate nurturer (CERES) versus the independent woman -- who rejects motherhood.

posted January 02, 2015 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Thank you so much for your response. This is all really fascinating. In my case, the NN/ASC conjunction in exact, and the NN/Venus is 3 degrees. My Valentine is also conjunct his SN, and his Valentine is conjunct my DC. Maybe I owe him something too.

I completely resonate with the owing now. Thanks again for your awesome interpretation

BUT I got even more curious and read up about Sedna, go figure- it's on my SN, which is conjunct his DC, opposite my venus/his NN.. and his is on my MC, opposite my venus!
Wondering what the heck happened between us... (Or what *will* happen)

God.. there is so much more with other asteroids.. my head is spinning.

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posted January 02, 2015 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
CERES/LILITH conjunct SNODE?

Have you ever had the sense you abandoned him as a child? Rather, you were a mother who couldn't handle the responsibilities of motherhood, and fled? CERES and LILITH are extremely contradictory energies -- the ultimate nurturer (CERES) versus the independent woman -- who rejects motherhood.

Or is it your CERES/LILITH?

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posted January 04, 2015 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Whew, lemme get back on this one. There's a bit. SEDNA's rough. What's the orb?

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My SN conjunct his DC exact
My Sedna conjunct his DC 2 deg

His Sedna opposite my Venus exact
His Sedna conjunct my MC 1 deg

posted January 04, 2015 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Whew, lemme get back on this one. There's a bit. SEDNA's rough. What's the orb?

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You talk of motherhood and rejections above, but what of Horus conjunct someone else's SN? The divine child, something such? Especially when it's also conjunct Church, so weirdly related to more holy, sanctified, worshipful or "divinely oriented" things.

Not that it gets much easier when the whole combo is actually Horus-Church-Gopalan-Moriarty-Artemis-Beer and probably more. Artemis is credited for the motherhood/childbirth helper as well but how Moriarty ties into someone's SN with all that is anybody's guess. Beer you could at least put down to "Yeah, got drunk then pregnant both the same time, sorry love" style wrily gently amused smiles if wanting to excuse that, but no idea. Preggers to your criminal mastermind nemesis, or that to someone and still creating offspring? Priestess of someone seduced or had by someone with nothing good in mind, leading to a child? Beer for something heady, intoxicating? I wouldn't have a CLUE, but this seems to be your way with stories for these. Opinions?

And if it's SN owing a debt to the planet (and asteroids?), is it that all that is owed as something to give to the Horus-holder? Because if so, ahaha funny, with all that coming with the NN conjunct Lust as well. Snort. Somebody's going to have a LOT of fun calling in that debt from the Nodal person if going by that story, but I'll choose to believe that when I see things working out that way as well.

There is Isis opposite Osiris in synastry as well, but at three degrees that looked a little wide. I guess Horus conj SN brings in more relevancy to things, when Isis also exactly squares draconic Osiris.
Draconic Isis squares Horus & SN-NN. DC is 1 conj the other's drac Isis.

I don't know how to interpret an SN debt to Horus, although with talk of children I suppose one or the other might've been a child of the other as well? No idea, nor how it'd fit in with the rest of the asteroids if something like that. Doubt it'd have been one thing only with the people either, one sort of a relation/ship only, when could easily suppose a past brother-sister thing and the man as a "past life" wife, father and son and plenty of other things if wanting to bring in options.

The coup de grace is possibly that the SN-person of the Horus-SN people has their Child-asteroid conjunct the Horus-person's NN. Horus-SN, NN-Child, SN-Sun, among other things. Possibly also Child loosely conjunct MC and MC conjunct Moon, but those may be a bit too wide or not apt. More or less warm/fuzzy vibes in any case, and more things to clear or to look at with Venus conj Karma and Karma trine Venus(&NN).

posted January 05, 2015 04:50 AM            

I never really looked into karmic/soulmate patterns in synastry until just recently. I don't know what to make of this chart (a friend and I - I am the blue/inner circle) since these are all (somewhat) new concepts to me