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Sephora
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posted January 08, 2015 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sephora     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm the older part and something really weird seems to be going on after meeting this guy for the first time. The synastry seems to be almost like a dream match even with a cinderella aspect, but the reality seems to show the totally opposite and he avoiding any contact with me. So even with not having a relationship in terms of a romantic thing, but only meetings like in business meetings, the composite seems to be much more true. How could that be? Is it maybe an interpretation error on my side?

Here is our synastry:

And here the composite:

Any suggestions appreciated!

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starmoon
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posted January 08, 2015 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what in the synastry is leading you to think this is a dream match?

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Sephora
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posted January 08, 2015 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sephora     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well actually I know that it is not, but what made me thinking was that there is so much going on in the 7th house, and the aspects AC/Venus, Chiron/Jupiter (Cinderalla aspect), Lilith/Moon and Lilith/Sun. Actually, I have problems seeing the whole picture I guess. But as I said, this seems very weird to me because the reality is something different. Very, very different.

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Aj2095
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posted January 08, 2015 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aj2095     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always thought synastry only kicks in once you and the other person actually get to know each other and feel comfortable around each other. Or he might be one of those guys who acts aloof/ ignores people he is attracted to hoping the other person makes the first move haha, I know a couple friends like that

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Mmmmmmkay
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posted January 08, 2015 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mmmmmmkay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aj2095:
I've always thought synastry only kicks in once you and the other person actually get to know each other and feel comfortable around each other. Or he might be one of those guys who acts aloof/ ignores people he is attracted to hoping the other person makes the first move haha, I know a couple friends like that

I agree with this. As I understand it synastry really doesn't come into play until you're interacting/dating a bit. It's how your energies engage with one another. The composite is even further down the line where your energies are merging together.

The very first thing that you should be looking at when you meet another person is their natal chart. That is the baseline. And a very broad simple analysis is a good start. In this case his Aries sun inconjunct his Scorpio moon may be all that you are picking up on. This is a demanding inner aspect at the heart of his chart. And if you reach out to him you may feel that, but it has nothing to do with you. If and when he turns his attention to you, you may find the "dream" synastry come into effect.

The fact that you're a Scorpio sun may accentuate this effect. Imagine his inner world as an awkward, uneasy, challenging relationship between his two centers (sun and moon). Most people might sense the difficulty within him but will not take it personally. But your sun will align with his moon and the complex long standing feelings his sun has about his Scorpio moon may feel like they're being addressed to you, but they're not. His sun may not have even noticed you.

He is also one of my aries generation born with Sun opposite Pluto. I can't help but think his aries sun is going to feel a general sense of attack coming from all things Scorpio/Pluto/8th house (there is no attack of course, but aries will interpret it as such). Your 8th house chiron could likely help him, but to do so chiron will draw his energy into the 8th house which may just be too much for him.

His sun is broadcasting a message aimed at his scorpio moon and Pluto and you're reading it as if it's being sent to your scorpio sun. And it is a confusing message. Scorpio is a challenging energy to relate with period, but especially for the inconjunct energies of aries and gemini. His sun cannot see or ignore his moon. Clear communication is not possible, yet required. At the same time Pluto is in open confrontation with his sun. His inner world is unlikely to be harmonious, it would be a mistake to take that personally.

If he's ready to take on his "inner demons" you might get along fine, but given his internal stressors I think he is more likely to reject your scorpio sun and 8th house chiron out of hand.

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starmoon
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posted January 09, 2015 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
since you are not in a relationship w/this person i assume that the TOB is a guess??, which means the house positions in the synastry and composite wouldn't be reliable anyway.

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Sephora
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posted January 09, 2015 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sephora     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aj2095: My 2 cts on synastry and composite are that synastry shows how two people match theoretically and a composite shows how they got along in reality.
@Mmmmmmkay & starmoon: Anyway, our first meeting chart showed what I felt was the outcome of our first meeting so I can't be that wrong with the composite and also the TOB.

Actually, I always fight to take things personally, but sometimes I just can't. On our second meeting he had a panic attack, turned almost pale white and started trembling and babbling. And I can promise you I was doing nothing strange, just being nice smiling and sociable as always. I can't quite forget this. It made me wondering what's going on and my gut feeling tells me that there is something ... well unfortunately my gut isn't answering any questions to this

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Sephora
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posted January 10, 2015 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sephora     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone any ideas?

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Aj2095
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posted January 11, 2015 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aj2095     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sephora:
Anyone any ideas?

Judging by what you said about him getting nervous around you when you talked to him and having a panic attack or whatever, I feel like that's a strong indicator he finds you attractive, many guys are nervous at first if they find someone attractive. Also do you have any venus-uranus aspects? I feel like those are one of the few aspects that play out in synastry, attraction wise, before you really even get to know someone. Also, a tight venus-Mars aspect and or sun-pluto in my opinion can also cause attraction even before you get to know each other.

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Sephora
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posted January 12, 2015 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sephora     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People hearing the same story told me that they believe he is kind of into me, but fears to show it or make the next move. Maybe because I am older or maybe because I am not the type he usually prefers.

Actually, I only have to offer:

My uranus bi-quintile his venus

Apart from that:
My Venus conjunction Moon orb -1°42'
My Venus inconjunction Sun orb +0°15'
My Venus semi-square Mars orb +0°02'
My Venus inconjunction Mercury orb +0°50'

And

His Venus sextile Moon orb +3°40'
His Venus bi-quintile Uranus orb +0°19'
His Venus square Neptune orb -4°54'
His Venus trine Sun orb +6°19'
His Venus opposite Ascendant orb +7°28'
His Venus quintile Midheaven orb +0°49'

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Aubyanne
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posted January 16, 2015 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are considerably older, Sephora. I've got a friend your age who's stated, many times, that guys around the range of this fellow have NO clue what to do around her.

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Sephora
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posted January 17, 2015 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sephora     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooookay and this is because they don't know how to behave because it is too old for them or because they would like to make an impact? Besides, I know it's hard to believe, but I'm looking more like being in my 20s. Got that from my parents who are mid 60 now and look no older than mid 40.

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Aubyanne
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posted January 17, 2015 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sephora:
Ooookay and this is because they don't know how to behave because it is too old for them or because they would like to make an impact? Besides, I know it's hard to believe, but I'm looking more like being in my 20s. Got that from my parents who are mid 60 now and look no older than mid 40.

Hey, I'm in my mid-thirties, and always being cast in high school. Trust me. I get it. But do you ACT as if you're in your 20s? I don't. I've always, believe it or not, acted as if I'm in my 40s. (Ditto on my parents; 65, and, honestly, I'm flabbergasted about their genetic fountain of youth.)

But men? Men are funny creatures. They're terrified of us anyway; toss a few years ahead of them, and they start getting nervous. Make it a decade and some change? Ohhhh, no. Only the most suave and secure will survive that gauntlet. The lesser won't even try to run it.

That's why men love age 19 females; they can do no wrong. They're sexually newly blossomed, and just on the edge of having a clue in their heads what to do with themselves or their lives. Zero pressure. (That's the above male impression, incidentally. I've known several 19 year old women who were way ahead of their time.) And, would you believe, even THEY terrified the guys who were their own age?

Men can't handle smart women until they've reached a certain level of maturity. They cannot manage a woman who's responsible, intelligent, and secure. They feel out of control -- and, deep down, they have a desire TO control. It doesn't work in their favour -- they think -- to be with a woman they CAN'T control.

In my experience, men start removing their head from their -- ahem -- behinds -- at around age 40. Oh, sure, you've got some hella talented and mature 25-year-olds out there -- but they were exceptional 20-year-olds, as a rule.

The average 30-year-old man who might turn into an incredible 45-year-old man, is STILL trying to play the 'I'm the big man on campus' game -- until he either stops listening to his ******* friends, (ALL men give each other the most horrible advice when it comes to women; too much ego, and the advisor ALWAYS wants to seem 'better' than the one receiving the 'advice') and really, REALLY grows up -- that means, emotional maturity -- he'll try and control.

That means fumbling, mumbling, and having NO idea what to do in the presence of a smart career woman who's got it together -- and DOESN'T NEED HIM.

Bottom line? If you're not a damsel in distress, you're Lilith. You thrill, deeply antagonise (on a subconscious level) excite, and confuse men who DON'T have it together themselves. AND, should he be among the rare few who COULD, he's GOT to get that masculine ego in check.

The way he's portraying himself at present ... that doesn't look likely.

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Sephora
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posted January 17, 2015 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sephora     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oooops NOW I got it! Actually, I can be quite total the childish and silly, but that only with close friends. But you are right, usually I do act like a woman in her 40s who really knows what she wants and she takes it. (I do not TAKE what I want, but I go behind it without any fear like a teen.) Plus I do know what I don't want and verbalise it. Since a few years several people start hating me for being strong and quite unimpressive going my own way. That is all on the outside, but inside ... another story!

That 19 female, oh I so do know what you mean! But wait until they get into their mid 20s. Then they toss that guy they're with since they were 19 and go for something more grown up and, well, male.

So, you think it always has something to do with control? I would have thought it is more a 'not wanting to blame themselves' thing. Never thought about it that way.

Judging from this a second business meeting I guess will not happen, right? He surely would avoid that no matter how many questions are being on the table to be cleared. Oh, men! They are so ...

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