posted January 14, 2015 10:38 PM            

For the most part, our relationship seems to be working out quite well; but this aspect only concerns me because it is the ONLY aspect any of my planets make to his moon sign. My venus is highly aspected by his planets including a NN/ascendant trine and a Mars opposition.

My main concern is that: am I not going to be able to fulfill him emotionally?

I found this information on the web:

posted January 15, 2015 07:48 AM            

Do you have an aspect between the other two?

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posted January 15, 2015 08:13 AM            

I tend to disagree though on the "magical meeting". I don't have a lot of experience with quincunx in synastry but I have two natally, that basically make up my whole natal chart (boomerang yod) and he energy is nothing easy to deal with.

So what I can say from my own personal experience and understanding of my own chart is that first quincunx are a subconscious type of energy. What I mean by this is that unlike the trine or square or oppocition whee it is easy to identify with, the quincunx takes a whole lot of time to realize and understand. It is those things you do that seem a bit out of nowhere. It manifest mostly as a discordance, something that doesn't quite fit together.
For example I have a mars/jupiter quincunx in my chart. Sag mars and cancer jupiter. I longed for a long time to travel and live in a far away country and when that that happened I started getting all emotional and wanted to go home. I couldn't even enjoy it (and I wasn't even that far away).
I also have venus quincunx jupiter. with venus in aqua in the 7th and jupiter in the 12th. I love beautiful things. There are times when I spend lavishly on these but then I get a sens of not being fulfilled. What will this bring me? and I go into thinking about how we're brainwashed into buying more and more things.
My own experience has been a constant struggle where I seem to either be on jupiter side or venus /mars sides. I think what gives me a better understanding of it is that my jupiter also opposes my sun.
And well when I seem to ally the two i result in something overwhelming that I can't handle.

Some also view the quincunx as the step towards a midpoint picture. but I wouldn't know since it is the case in my chart.

posted January 15, 2015 08:54 AM            

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Magi astrology has its own rules, and as a whole I don't really find their theories to have a lot of depth (I mean they explain linkage and such and consider the quincunx as a valid aspect but do not explain why...)

I tend to disagree though on the "magical meeting". I don't have a lot of experience with quincunx in synastry but I have two natally, that basically make up my whole natal chart (boomerang yod) and he energy is nothing easy to deal with.

So what I can say from my own personal experience and understanding of my own chart is that first quincunx are a subconscious type of energy. What I mean by this is that unlike the trine or square or oppocition whee it is easy to identify with, the quincunx takes a whole lot of time to realize and understand. It is those things you do that seem a bit out of nowhere. It manifest mostly as a discordance, something that doesn't quite fit together.
For example I have a mars/jupiter quincunx in my chart. Sag mars and cancer jupiter. I longed for a long time to travel and live in a far away country and when that that happened I started getting all emotional and wanted to go home. I couldn't even enjoy it (and I wasn't even that far away).
I also have venus quincunx jupiter. with venus in aqua in the 7th and jupiter in the 12th. I love beautiful things. There are times when I spend lavishly on these but then I get a sens of not being fulfilled. What will this bring me? and I go into thinking about how we're brainwashed into buying more and more things.
My own experience has been a constant struggle where I seem to either be on jupiter side or venus /mars sides. I think what gives me a better understanding of it is that my jupiter also opposes my sun.
And well when I seem to ally the two i result in something overwhelming that I can't handle.

Some also view the quincunx as the step towards a midpoint picture. but I wouldn't know since it is the case in my chart.

Now in synastry I don't see how this energy that israther difficult in itself could be "magical". Like I said the quincunx either tend to overdo things (super trine) or to really diametrically opposes the two planets at hands with no conciliation possible so that you either stand on one side or the other.
I'd say in your case it is very positive that the moon is in libra and thus ruled by venus because it gives a similarity between the two planets.

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I have a different view on this. It's not derived from Magi, most things in Magi are not for me, although there are interesting things there as well, especially when it comes to geometry.

My view on astrological geometry: there is no bad geometry, the triangle is not better than the square. We must understand where this ancient, limited view comes from: the ancient view that there are bad numbers and good numbers. An outdated view. It was illogical in the first place....in mathematics, if you take out one number, everything collapses. In mathematics and in the universe, there is no such thing as bad and good numbers or geometrical figures. I wonder what your opinion was on your quincunxes if mainstream astrology would describe them otherwise. I'm challenging this view, so take it as a personal opinion, a subjective view.

My personal view on astrological geometry: every aspect represents a contact, a meeting, a victory in terms of contacts and two energies working together. The lack of those aspects is the lack, the missing part, the tool not at our disposal.

The purpose of our spiritual journey reflected in astrological charts is to have EVERYTHING connected, in the end. Not to just interact with our own element. The harmony in the universe comes from all kinds of alchemical processes, including fire blending with water or earth, air blending with water and transforming into each other or through each other. Such is the magical meeting between the water of the Pisces and the air of Libra in a quincunx.

It's a far more refined, subtle, surprising, cosmopolite, extravagant aspect than the trine. We need trines for familiarity, comfort and steady evolution and quincunxes for alchemy. And you wouldn't have quincuxes in your natal chart, if you hadn't been ready for them, ready to approach the universe and life from a much more refined/sophisticated/able to make unusual connections position.

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posted January 17, 2015 04:59 AM            

QUINCUNXES IN SYNASTRY AND THE NATAL: NERDY OR CHARISMATIC? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/219101.html

From the thread...

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Okay, lately I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the Quincunx aspect.

(I'm getting to the Nerdy or Charismatic part later, but first I cover the basics of this aspect.)

Personally, I have a tight quincunx (less then one degree) involving Venus and the Moon. My Moon is at 29 Cancer and my Venus is at 29 Sagittarius... They can be stressful aspects.

Do I want Cancerian safety and security, or Sagittarian freedom and adventure? Maybe I want both. But can I have my cake and eat it too? Quincunxes often create internal paradoxes in people, as two or more seemingly mismatched parts of your psychology compete for attention. People with quincunxes throughout their lives have to learn how to manage these to oddly matched parts of themselves, so that somehow both are able to be suitably expressed.

Quincunx aspects have to do with feeling like two parts of yourself don't mix well. With my Sag Venus quincunx my Cancer Moon, sometimes my highly attuned emotional reactions to things make hard for me to just relax and socialize. Sometimes, I feel embarrassed and uncomfortable with my own intense emotional reaction to things, especially if this starts to happen in a situation where I should be light and breezy.

Some Sagittarius/Cancer paradox type scenarios might be: (These are just examples and are sort of cartoonish and exaggerated. Not necessarily stuff that’s happened to me. Hope you get the idea) A Sag/Cancer person goes on exciting year-long trip around the world, but then cries half the time due to intense home-sickness. Or, a Sag/Cancer person stays home-bound to care for needy relatives, but has a hard time concentrating on any of their duties, because they’re always dreaming about far-off places. A Sag/Cancer person starts climbing a mountain full of excitement, and half-way up has a panic attack when they look down!

Quincunxes are not melodramatic and intense like the other hard aspects (squares and oppositions). Rather they involve this niggling feeling of irritation, like there’s an awkwardness or mismatch in your nature.

I’d say the quincunx is closer to being a hard aspect then a soft one, only this aspect is a lot more subtle then the traditional hard aspects. It operates more below the surface of things. The Quincunx is kind of a sneaky, insidious aspect, that has to do with weird vibes, and mild physiological, and psychological irritants.

Like the other traditional hard aspects they do force you to work on change and improvement… The key word for Quincunxes is ADJUSTMENT!

Some other good choices for key words might be PARADOX, DILEMA, JUXTPOSTION, INCONGRUANCY, and REARRANGEMENT

People who have expertise on any particular subject are often those that have squares, oppositions, and quincunxes spurring them on in pursuit of their goals, and deeper understanding. Quincunxes, like the traditional hard aspects, make great motivators.

Quincunx people often feel like they don’t fit right, and so they are inspired to try alternative approaches to things…

For this reason, I think quincunxes are far from being a hopeless problem in our lives.

As said before, the key word for quincunxes is 'Adjustment'. Throughout our life experiences people with quincunxes learn how to adjust and modify their behavior to fit various situations. We also often become quite expert on the different life-areas associated with our natal quincunxes. This is because we go thorough so many different types of experiences where we are required to adjust our ways of doing things with regard to our natal quincunx placements. In the natural zodiac the two quincunx signs are Virgo and Scorpio (they quincunx Aries). Through repeated trial and error, people with quincunxes develop a sophisticated understanding of various practical processes (Virgo), and psychological issues (Scorpio). Quincunxes inspire people to look below the surface of what’s really going on so that they can understand what’s causing their inner discomfort, or awkwardness. Then they set about investigating these issues and perfecting their method of response to them…. Quincunx aspects work like a combo of Virgo and Scorpio in this way.

It’s interesting to note that quincunxes are often associated with health issues that need to be adjusted, and weird psychological tension (like awkward sexual attraction, or dealing with unwanted resentment to, or from, others). Quincunx people like to figure all this type of stuff out so that they can deal with it better next time. We constantly seek to understand and improve ourselves, and are talented at investigation and solving mysteries. So even though quincunxes can suck when they make us feel uncomfortable, they are also like a gift… They allow us to develop true depth of understanding, and real talent.

Over time, I’ve noticed that aspects seem to take on the characteristics of the signs the occur in, in the natural zodiac. As mentioned above, the signs associated with the Quincunx in the natural order of the zodiac are VIRGO and SCORPIO… These two signs make great metaphors for how this aspect operates.

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posted January 17, 2015 05:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
QUINCUNXES ARE BOTH GOOD AND BAD…

The WORST parts of this aspect are feelings of shame or embarrassment about not fitting right in some way, or that you don‘t make sense in terms of the conventional view on things… This can be a very painful and lonely feeling. Before these people have leaned to deal with their natal quincunxes, they may feel lame or ineffectual in the area of life related to the quincunx. Some examples might be…. Not fitting in socially (quincunx to 11th house ruler)…Not being good with money when all your friends are, or being unhappy with your body (quincunx to the 2nd house ruler)… Feeling like the odd one out in your family (quincunx to the 4th house ruler)… And the list goes on.

The BEST parts of the quincunx aspect are the transformations that occur as a result of the work and adjustment that this aspect generates. And the amount of learning, wisdom and growth that goes with it… People with quincunxes often have a sophisticated understanding of the areas of life connected with their natal quincunx aspect. This is because they have often looked at these issues from EVERY possible angle and investigated and experimented with various different ways of dealing with these issues in their daily lives. There is nothing like a weird uncomfortable feeling to inspire you to figure things out, and make changes. The wealth of knowledge and understanding gained from this is the ultimate boon to be received from the quincunx.

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posted January 17, 2015 05:03 AM            

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THE VIRGO PART OF THE QUINCUNX

The ‘Virgo’ part of the quincunx refers to how this aspect is innately uncomfortable to start with. Quincunxes can be used to pin-point which parts of our physical and psychological systems are not working well together. A quincunxes inspire us to constantly move things around, rearrange circumstances, re-negotiate terms, and adjust our affairs, in the areas of life related to this aspect. By constantly modifying our methods with regard to our quincunxing planets (life areas), we are able to find the best solutions to our inner contradictions.

The quincunx allows us to take a critical, honest appraisal of things. It enables us to identify that which is not working well in our situation, and what is counter productive to our aims. It then helps us, through an investigative process of trial and error, to work on figuring out the best remedy to the discomfort in our lives. Or at least how to adapt to this discomfort, without letting it impede our chosen path too much. Quincunxes cause us to constantly work towards perfection, and self-improvement, in our strategies for coping with the daily realities of life.

As you would expect, the ’Virgo’ part of the quincunx also has to do with health issues. Things not working well within our bodies can be a major source of discomfort, and sometimes even the cause embarrassment or shame. Quincunxes tend to refer to health problems that, while irritating and inconvenient, are not life threatening. Like having a skin problem, or digestive issues that cause gas. These are not serious. But most people would do everything in their power to ‘fix’ the problem. Quincunxes work like this. They are niggling malfunctions that may be embarrassing, or uncomfortable, to the extent that we can’t stand to ignore it anymore. So we experiment with different face creams and acne treatments, for the skin problem. And start taking digestives enzymes, and doing yoga to improve our digestion. Quincunx people often explore a variety of health remedy methods before they find the right fit, and become quite advanced at understanding their particular issues.

This experimental side of the quincunx can be quite innovative and creative. Quincunx people often have a knack for discovering unique methods, remedies, and cures, for various different body issues that they may have experienced. They may combine a number of different things they have tried together in unusual ways, and come up with something totally revolutionary.

THE SCORPIO PART OF THE QUINCUNX

The ‘Scorpio’ part of the quincunx inclines quincunx people to be supersensitive to undertones, and weird vibes in situations (both positive and negative). They can sense it if someone has inappropriate intensions, or if something is a bit ’off’ about a particular scenario. It’s as if these people have some type of inbuilt radar system that probes their environment, identify the forces operating just below the surface of all the interactions that occur in their daily lives. Due to their sensitivity, quincunx people can attract awkward vibes from others. Picking up on all the hidden dynamics involved various life situations in life can sometimes put quincunx people in uncomfortable interpersonal situations, where they are uncertain of how to react, or are not sure what is the best course of action to take.

Conversely, perhaps the quincunx person is uncomfortable about themselves for some reason. They may worry that parts of their own psychology are ‘inappropriate’, embarrassingly unusual, or too intense. They may feel that the average person couldn’t handle the full extent of their intense natures. For this reason, quincunx people may try to control or contain certain parts of their psychology, so that they don’t overwhelm others. In their heart of hearts, quincunx people fear that having their issues exposed will result in ridicule and rejection. Learning to be vulnerable and open about our concerns, is a challenge for quincunx people.

As mentioned before, the quincunx is something of a ‘sneaky’ aspect. People with quincunxes often make their observations privately within the confines of their own minds. They’d rather covertly analyze things for themselves, before revealing or admitting this information to others. The astute nature of quincunx people means that they can identify issues, and discover truths, that other people could find disturbing. This can relate to taboo topics, and to sticky issues people would rather not admit to feeling awkward about. Because of this, quincunx people tend to be careful how much of their observations, and conclusions, they are willing to confide to others.

In a sense, the ‘Scorpio’ part of the quincunx does have an obsessive component to it. Quincunxes show where an intense amount of focus is directed towards figuring out the true inner dynamics of things. This is where the investigative qualities of Scorpio figure into the quincunx. Quincunx people can be like a ‘dog with bone’ when working to understand certain issues. They won’t give up until they have identified the root cause of an problem, and figured out ways to solve, or at least manage it. The life-areas related to the natal quincunx will be examined from every possible angle, until the nature of the dissonance surrounding the situation is fully understood. The awkwardness and discomfort associated with quincunxes serves as a motivator to develop real depth of insight into the world around us.

Things such as figuring out mysteries, understanding what makes people tick, exploring the true motivations behind things, and getting to the bottom of issues, are natural talents for quincunx people.

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posted January 17, 2015 05:06 AM            

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QUINCUNXES IN SYNASTRY AND THE NATAL: NERDY OR CHARISMATIC?

Alright, as I’ve mentioned before, the quincunx aspect is associated with two signs: Virgo and Scorpio. These signs seem to be associated with the two different facets of this aspect: Nerdy and awkward (Virgo. But don’t get me wrong, there are some hot Virgo’s out there. This is purely an abstract analogy). Or sexy and charismatic (Scorpio. No explanation necessary.).

These are two distinct personality profiles, and oddly most people with natal quincunxes embody both to some extent. Of course some will embody one side more then the other! I’ll outline what I mean by quincunx ‘nerdy’ or ‘charismatic’ below.

THE NERDY QUINCUNX: (I’m taking on the persona of a high school ‘mean girl’ for this segment)

Stereotypical popular high school student scoffs at her Quincunx class-mate, and starts talking…

“You know that person that doesn’t seem to fit in right? They speak too loudly or too quietly. They dress funny by conventional standards. They have a tendency to make unpopular observations, or remarks that somehow just don’t seem appropriate. The get all uptight and awkward at just the wrong time, and ruin what could have been a perfectly cordial situation. They might suddenly go silent when they ‘should’ be talking. Conversely, they may address the ‘Elephant In The Room’ when really they should just shut up! Now everyone feels uncomfortable…

They have a certain unique way that they always do things, and it doesn’t mix well with the way that most other people prefer to do things. People may remark on this, or even tease this person because of it. This person are weird, uptight, and awkward. Annoying even. Why are they so contrary and difficult? Just relax and be normal for goodness sake! This person just doesn’t act the way they’re supposed to. It’s like they’re a clueless dork who just doesn’t understand socially appropriate behavior. Sometimes they have some interesting ideas though, and they do strange things which makes people laugh (accidentally or on purpose). See, they stand out too much for all the wrong reasons. They’re almost as bad as Steve Urkel!”

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I hope that wasn’t too harsh. Most people who have quincunxes gone through at least a couple of experiences where they feel like the weirdest, most inappropriate person in the room. Or where they have accidentally put people off without meaning too. Uuuuuggggghhhhh! Damn those awkward quincunxes.

One reason the Virgo side of the quincunx is awkward is that Virgo energy has a tendency to make honest observations about things that have little regard for ‘social propriety’. Think about it, Virgo is the sign just before Libra, before the stage where we are preoccupied with harmony and relating. Virgo is more interested in getting things ‘right’ then in getting along with others. This is why sometimes quincunxes can be annoying. They are often hyper-aware of side-details when they should be focusing on relating. They may make remarks that are socially uncomfortable, or go silent in contemplation at the wrong moments. Quincunxes tend to do things in their own unique way that doesn’t fit with the accepted mode of operation that most people use. Others are often perplexed by this.

Quincunxes can operate pretty much the same way in synastry too. You may not get why the other person acts the way they do, and they have tendency to make you uncomfortable. There can be a sort of niggling tension between the planets that are in quincunx by aspect. These two people have to make accommodations for their differing methods of doing things. There’d be a lot of maneuvering and rearranging with regard to the two planets in quincunx.

THE CHARISMATIC QUINCUNX: (This time I’m a cheesy romance novelist)

Cheesy novelist remembers her last big crush on a quincunx person, and starts writing…

“You know that person that’s just utterly fascinating for some reason, but you just can’t pinpoint exactly what it is. They’ve got this ‘X’ factor about them. An enigmatic charisma. It’s as if they’ve got something interesting and exciting hidden just below the surface. Like they have a secret side they’re not letting on about. It makes you wonder what they’re really thinking and feeling. They have all this pent-up tension emanating from them… It’s intoxicating. Sexy actually. This is embarrassing but I think I might be obsessed. It’s like they’re a mystery I’m dying to figure out… They just seem to go there own way, regardless of what other people are doing. I can tell that they might be a complicated person, but compulsively I’m unable to resist the challenge of finding out who they really are.

I’m not just interested because of the ‘mysterious’ thing they’ve got going on either… I sense there’s some type of inner pain or vulnerability that this person has. That’s why they’re keeping a part of themselves separate from others. Whatever past trauma they have is causing them to tread carefully, even though the tension between us is sizzling. I’ll bet that underneath their defenses is someone who just craves tenderness…

This person is a lot more perceptive then they let on too. They know exactly what’s going on between us. They just won’t admit it yet. It’s little things that they say and do that tip me off. I think they’re curious about me as well. They ask random questions here and there, and pay attention to things I do. I think I’m being investigated! They’re totally vibing me out.”

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Quincunxes have an intriguing, magnetic, charismatic side as much as they have an awkward side. I think most people with quincunxes have also been through at least a couple experiences where they were to object of someone else’s fascination. Quincunx people can be such contradictions. They inspire curiosity from those that like to figure people out. Most can sense there’s a hidden depth to a quincunx person, which is not being completely revealed. In terms of charisma, quincunxes have a haunting, captivating, beguiling, smoldering type quality. The Scorpio side of the quincunx is strongly associated with sensual undercurrents. Otherwise known as sexual-tension.

Scorpio is the sign after Libra, and is able to look past all the social niceties that occur in daily interactions to see the true motivations of people. The Scorpio side of the Quincunx aspect functions much like this. Quincunx people pick up on all the different vibes that others around them emit, on a daily basis. And due to their hyper-sensitivity in certain area’s of life, quincunx people try to contain and control certain parts of themselves which the fear my be too intense, or unusual, for others to handle. Yet, these people are so shrewd. When it comes to interpersonal dynamics, these people notice everything.

Synastry involving quincunxes can take on a similar vibe to the paragraph above. When this aspect is present in the synastry, the people involved may feel somewhat uncomfortable with the intensity of their own attraction/feelings for one another. Yet, despite a slightly uncomfortable feeling, there’s immense fascination and curiosity in the relationship… And a tendency to want to 'dig deeper' with that person. The two people involved will subtly ‘vibe’ each other out, creating a frustrating kind of tension… It’s hard to be direct with each other, as each partner is trying to figure out what the other one is up to first.

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posted January 17, 2015 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
QUINCUNXES CAN BE FUNNY ‘WEIRD’ OR FUNNY ‘HA HA’!

When I say quincunxes are like an uncomfortable mismatch, think of it like this… A clown cracking jokes wouldn’t fit in right at a funeral, and turning up at a wedding dressed like a Goth, looking all depressed, would probably turn you into a social misfit... Same thing with bursting into tears during a job interview, or showing up at a fast food restaurant dressed like you’re going to the prom.

Quincunxes have a tendency to make us feel like parts of our psychology are inappropriate and therefore kind of embarrassing. Shame and discomfort can be common problems with quincunxes, especially when very young. Think ‘Awkward Teenager’ syndrome. Part of a quincunx person’s lesson in life is to learn how to RELAX!

Of course, right after a difficult incident has occurred, it's hard to laugh about it at first. But over time, quincunx people benefit from developing a naturally humorous outlook. Working hard on investigating our problems, and on smoothly adapting to different life situations, is good and part of our quincunx mission… But sometimes quincunx people also just need to relax, and laugh about the absurdity of life! We need to cultivate just letting ourselves 'be', and not getting so tense and wound-up all the time.

Having a healthy sense of humor can really help quincunx people unwind. Previously, I’ve heard that quincunxes are actually associated with humor. And this makes total sense! Quincunxes are all about strange combinations… When it comes to humor, the stuff that’s often perceived as funny is stuff like: The stupid awkward situations that we go through in life, oddly-matched people interacting, and mixing together scenarios that don't seem to make any sense... An example of this? The classic bearded old muscle man dancing around in a ballerina’s tutu! When we see ridiculously mismatched things, it's our first instinct to laugh.

Laughter is natures cure for awkwardness. This is why quincunx people can be funny. Especially if they’ve started to get and handle on their natal quincunx, and have developed a more or less healthy attitude towards it. Quincunx people have a tendency to say, or do, weird and unexpected (mismatching) things… Whether it’s on purpose, and not on purpose. And sometimes the result is hilarious! A trick to being funny is in being able to turn your personal awkward experiences into humor, and in being able to laugh at the dumb, silly, and embarrassing things that happen to us throughout our lives.

So depending on the planets involved, a quincunx in the natal can incline one to develop a healthy sense of humor about human foibles. Especially if other parts of the chart demonstrate some type of performance talent. The likelihood of this is increased by supportive trines and sextiles elsewhere in the chart. Anyone remember that sitcom ‘Friends’. The ‘Chandler Bing’ character to me, is the perfect example of a quincunx aspect turned into humor. He seemed like the type of person who was awkwardly embarrassed by himself, and so he turned it into a joke. Modern comedies are littered with characters like this, where the basic theme is “My life is humiliating, and so I laugh!”.

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posted January 17, 2015 02:52 PM            

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Okay so I think I'm losing my mind. My Venus is placed at 7 degrees Pisces and my partner's Moon is at 6 degrees Libra quincunx/inconjunct by 1 degree.

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What aspects does your Venus make in your own chart? What aspects does his Moon make in his own chart?

posted January 19, 2015 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Great articles, Lotis, thank you for posting!

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