posted January 28, 2015 12:01 PM            

My friend keeps asking me to do synastry of her and her boyfriend and she's really persistent, been reminding me over the last year. I am reluctant to do it, because
a) I'm not really good at synastry and don't want to say the wrong things... even though she won't take me that seriously

b) their synastry doesn't attract me at all... I'm don't think they'll last.

I think they being together is mainly due to them both being jazz musicians, being in the same band, visiting the same academy, they share strong love for jazz music.

Their synastry and natal charts:

Her

Him

She's on the inside - Taurus

Look at her unaspected personal planets...And where are the connections to her love houses? there are none. Only her Sun is getting a real boost. Maybe she gets lot of ego confirmation from him, she's building her confidence as a jazz singer. And of course, his Mars on her MC, encouraging her in her music career. She probably likes her Sun being so aspected, having a very conflicted natal Venus.. I know she has struggled with self-consciousness and I do see her a lot more self-assured now. But that is not all one needs in a relationship..

It seems like he's so much more into her. Her Venus on his Descendant, her Saturn on his Cap Moon, he's probably really attracted to her due to all that squares to her Sun. She puts planets into his 5th,7th, 8th house.

But I don't see it with her somehow..
I mean they have some similar energies,
Libra ASC and Taurus Sun
Pisces Mars, 12H Mars
strong earth and fire element etc.

I don't know, I just don't get it. She seems really in love, she's constantly saying how she's digging his body, energy, but that could be only the enchantment at the beginning of the relationship (they've been together for almost 2 years). Maybe I'm just not thrilled about the synastry, because I don't like him? He's a bit haughty and makes condescending remarks, harmless otherwise just a bit off putting.

posted January 28, 2015 01:50 PM            

The trine to his Sun might also be a subtle attractionfactor.

posted January 28, 2015 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Her 5th house ruler is Mars, and pretty much aspected.
First of all conjunct his MC, which brings it to the foreground; the opposition to his Mars can get challenging later on, but maybe they trhive on that energy, and for now it is probably an attractionfactor, especially since Mars rules his DESC, so this opposition brings two relationship housese together.

The trine to his Sun might also be a subtle attractionfactor.

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Oops, it is the other way round, however the opposition to Mars still stands.

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You got me confused there for a moment, I was thinking, wait a minute, how could I overlook that

It seems she likes Mars energy, yes, I underestimated that.. after all her Venus is Martian, so she likes the fiery energy he brings with that MC conjunction, I think she feels his Mars the most, since it's the only angle conjunction... besides, based on her suggestions their love is quite carnal so that would make sense.
I do know another couple that have Virgo and Pisces Mars opposite, and it works really well with them, they are happily in love for quite a long time now, very stable. Interesting

posted January 28, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by VestaFlake:
I kinda liked the synastry. It's not soulmate synastry but it looks like a long-term flirt. If there were some love asteroids it could be more clear.

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I haven't really got a clue about asteroids, but if you like, I'll post the chart, just tell me which ones to include

posted January 29, 2015 06:24 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
How about composite?

I mean in all honesty many people stay in bland relationship

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Posting the composite

posted January 29, 2015 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
i think your own interpretation is fairly spot-on. i see it similarly to you - the house overlays definitely favor her, in that he'd be more into her than vice-versa. but as a female with her moon and mars in pisces it could just be empathy and sympathy and laziness on her part that keeps her from moving on. it's simple, it but could be the case that she just doesn't want to hurt him. you can see why they were attracted though, that's easy, and with the moon exact to saturn that helps keep them going and grounded.

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posted January 29, 2015 06:40 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Their pretty tight Composite Venus/Mars opp/conj is at least a big part of the attraction.
Underlying geometry; her a separating V/M semi-sextile. Him an applying V/M semi-sextile. Plus a synastry V/M (same-aspect) DW.

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I completely ignored composite, now I see the Venus/Mars opposition, I guess that's that extra underlying attraction...
About the semi-sextiles, wow, it's crazy that you noticed it it's something, that's for sure. I'll really have to practice my observing skills a little
but I don't really know anything about semi-sextile... What would natal Venus Mars semi-sextile mean?
But at the end of the day, these are still minor aspects, which in my opinion won't stick them together for long..

posted January 29, 2015 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Looks like her MOON is quindecile his SUN. That one will definitely lock you down for whatever purpose it serves. Complicated, often very obsessive, connexion.

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posted January 29, 2015 07:18 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
NN conj Saturn - at least friends for life.

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posted January 31, 2015 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by babybull82:
Everybody is overlooking the most basic stuff..like let's start with her sun in his 8th house & her venus in his 7th...

I mean it may not be all that spectacular to you but are you in their relationship? Did you post a Davidson or a progressed chart yet? Maybe some people would prefer an easy going relationship as opposed to "intense" (read: drama). If I were you I'd be careful what you tell her because what you say may cause her to rethink something that isn't too bad. If it works, it works.

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Why did you get so upset?
I'm just trying to learn as much as I can.

I will not "tell" her anything, predict or be deterministic, I am her friend for god's sake, I am not a professional astrologer, besides I am not really good at synastry... Anyway, synastry is far too complex, so I doubt I'll ever in my lifetime be confident to do readings (even to my friends). We'll just be talking about their relationship, I'll open some "possible" scenarios, themes, and that's it, don't worry

They seem to be happy, that's true, I'm really happy for her, and if it works, like you said, then it's fine, but she's asking for an extra opinion, or maybe just a chance to talk about her bliss I'm not trying to impose on her some pessimistic predictions or make her feel bad about their relationship, why would I do that?? I was just curious, because I don't see the important patterns in their synastry, which doesn't necessarily mean hard aspects (they do have them though, look at her Sun!) and drama. It's not all black and white in my mind, either it's nothing or really intense, soul mate, karmic, dramatic relationship. I don't belong into that category of Lindaflakes.

The overlays you mentioned are not to be overlooked, it's true, but the planetary aspects are the basics, so I always only take overlays as the additional aspect in synastry, not the primary source of interpretation.

posted January 31, 2015 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Did anyone mention the taurus sun trine cap moon 2.5 degree? That's such a nice comfy aspect, like you belong together.

Mars trine Pluto and Pluto sextile Mars is kind of hot also...not super tight but still close enough to have an effect.

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You're the first actually, thanks
They have quite a lot other really good aspects, I just didn't mention them.. My favourite would probably be the earthly Grand Trine so, his Cap Moon and her Saturn with her Taurus Sun, his Virgo Mars - they seem to complete each other in the basic energetic sense

the Mars-Pluto DW sounds hot! I must check if there are other double whammies, they usually set the tone.

I figured I like the 9H overlays he makes with those Leo planets. With her Sag rising and Pisces Moon/Mars she probably really likes that, as she's very in tune to world of ideals and spirituality.. And I think I read once, probably it was Neville's Planets in synastry, a really nice description of 9H overlays, it surprised me, I think he also mentioned marriage, for very "Jupiterian" people that would be quite logical.

posted January 31, 2015 11:17 PM            

In his case, it’s pretty straightforward to see his attraction to her. However she still claims to feel the attraction too. If she feels it then it’s real. Astrology is never wrong. Just the interpretation of it can sometimes miss things that are not obvious on first inspection. There’s a reason for her attraction, so lets find it.

Actually, I can see him in her 7th house… Her Dsc ruler Mercury is in the 5th house. This works for an attraction to his Leo energy. She has a Gemini Dsc and he has a Mercury/Sun conjunction by 1 degree. She has her Dsc ruler Mercury in Taurus and he also has a Venus/Sun conjunction by 1 degree… Mercury 27 Leo, Sun 28 Leo, Venus 29 Leo.

Mercury, Venus, and the Sun are fused in his chart. This quite matches a ‘Gemini Dsc ruled by Mercury in Taurus in the 5th house’ on a symbolic level. He just emanates a Mercury/Sun/Venus type energy (similar to a ‘Gemini/Taurus/5th house’ combo energy).

Also, her Dsc is Gemini, Gemini rules the 3rd house. So the 3rd house is her SECONDARY 7TH HOUSE. Her 3rd house works like an extension of her 7th. She has Aquarius on the 3rd house co-ruled by Uranus and Saturn both in the sign of Capricorn. Her Cap Saturn is actually conjunct his Capricorn Moon. This is where the attraction to his Cap Moon comes from. It stimulates her secondary 7th house.

It worth noting too that her secondary 7th house in Aquarius matches his stellium in his 11th house. He has Jupiter, Mercury, Sun, and Venus in Leo in his 11th house natally.

Aries on the cusp of her 5th house indicates an attraction to forceful Mars energy… Also, looked at another way, Mercury in the 5th in an earth sign can indicate an attraction to Virgo energy. His Mars in Virgo opposite her 5th house ruler Mars in Pisces would really stimulate her 5th house. She strongly feels his Mars in a raw kind of way, and his Mars operates in a style (Virgo) that appeals to her. Her Sun in the 6th house enhances her pull to his Virgo Mars.

His Mars is in the 12th house, and she has a Pisces Mars ruling her 5th house. Even though they have a Mars/Mars opposition there is some similarity in the way each of their Mars operates. His Mars has some of that Pisces vibe she likes, as well.

Her Aries 5th house cusp and Venus are attracted to fire energy, so his stellium in Leo is not a bad fit here, especially considering her 7th house ruler is in the 5th house. For the same reason she might be quite attracted to his Moon trine Mars aspect. His Cap Moon has a more passion added to it due to the Mars influence, making it a bit more Aries like.

Looked at another way, his Mars aspecting the Moon make his Mars a bit more Cancer-like. This would appeal to her Cancer 8th house. Also, his Moon and Saturn are in his 4th house matching her Cancer 8th house. He still might not be Mr. Sensitive with a Cap Moon, but he would probably be protective, and caring, in a way that her 8th house quite likes.

She also has Jupiter in the 8th house and Jupiter is conjunct his Mercury/Sun/Venus conjunction by a few degrees. This gives him Jupiter influence to his Mercury/Sun/Venus energy fusion. This may appeal to her Jupiter in the 8th house.

It’s totally possible to be attracted to someone that doesn’t have planets in your 5th, 7th, or 8th houses, if they match the symbolism of these houses in some way, or if they aspect the rulers of these houses. He provides for her some symbolism matches, and house ruler aspects.

His 5th house co-ruler Uranus aspects her 7th house ruler Mercury, her 8th house ruler the Moon, and her 8th house Jupiter.

His 7th house ruler Mars aspects her 5th house ruler Mars.

His 8th house ruler Venus squares her Sun.

About their synastry aspect wise, there are a lot of squares between his Leo stellium and her Taurus Sun. Hard aspects tend to have a very pushing, forceful, active, dynamic quality to them. Things are not stagnant between them, there’s always challenges to be dealt with. The Sun/Sun square is tight. There may be clashes at times, but they are also working on defining and refining their mutual ego expression together. They are learning from each other. And they probably feel for each other intensely… The Sun is about passionate self-expression, just like the 5th house.

I wouldn't call their synastry 'bland' at all. It does have it's challenges though. Hard aspects require patience at times.

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Originally posted by Belba:
You're the first actually, thanks
They have quite a lot other really good aspects, I just didn't mention them.. My favourite would probably be the earthly Grand Trine so, his Cap Moon and her Saturn with her Taurus Sun, his Virgo Mars - they seem to complete each other in the basic energetic sense

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Agreed. The more peaceful side of the relationship comes form comes from their Earth trines in synastry, soft aspects give lasting stability.

posted February 01, 2015 05:30 AM            

I now realize I was exaggerating with the title of the topic and their synastry is not bland at all. I should have looked better before making this kind of conclusions... But I learned a lot also due to the provocative statement, got lots of great responses

I was too quick to conclude about her love houses... I only checked the rulers and secondary houses, but I failed to dig deeper and to look at the symbolism, so thank you for that, I will be much more attentive about that in the future

posted February 02, 2015 03:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
Wow, Lotis White, this was brilliant! Thank you so very much!

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Your welcome! Also I forgot to mention the composite Mars/Venus opposition. This gives a flirty romantic 'aura' to their relationship. And the Pluto square Moon in the composite looks really intense emotionally. Composite Sun is trine Pluto and that my ease the pressure a little.

I look forward to hearing how she responds to your reading.