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Topic: Does saturn really bind?
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sc0rpioRising Knowflake Posts: 1232 From: somewhere! Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 30, 2015 09:08 AM
We read a lot about how if a relationship is to stand the test of time... having saturn aspects is quite important.. well out of curioisty i would like to share. I had the following aspects with someone i hold close to my heart:Sun trine saturn Moon trine saturn Venus square saturn Venus semisquare saturn Mars semi square saturn North node conjunct saturn Saturn conjunct neptune Saturn parallel northnode Saturn semisquare.north node.. Actually therr are a few more..im just listing the ones on top of my head! Also there were a few doubles whammies... and all of them are within 5 orb. So my question is?.... how comes we are not in contact.. i think about this person everyday.. after a year of completrly no contact .. he is still quite real in my mind..aybe saturn also shows that too? We domt have to be physcially together to 'be together'. Any thoughts? IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 444 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted January 30, 2015 09:26 AM
I can share my experience if you like. I have a 30+ year history with my ex wife, including 3 separate mulit-year attempts to make things work. We have moon opposite Saturn both ways in tight orb. Her Saturn completes a grand cross for my moon-jupiter-neptune t-square. Mine sits on one leg of her moon-chiron-venus t (with my mercury completing her grand cross)There are other things in our synastry that work against us, like sun inconjunct sun exact, but even when apart, we manage to be on good terms. I've often said she was the best ex a man could want. We just don't work as a couple for whatever reason. Someday after I understand composites better I'll look at ours... Saturn has pull, even into a little codependency if your not careful. But as always, consider the entire chart. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 2924 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted January 30, 2015 12:54 PM
Hard aspects can pull couples apart, albeit slowly. The soft aspects are more binding imo but even these can be undone with, say, harsh moons or an abundance of Uranus in synastry.IP: Logged |
sc0rpioRising Knowflake Posts: 1232 From: somewhere! Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 30, 2015 02:02 PM
Hi both. Thank you for your replies... i did wonder about the uranus aspects....we also have venus conjunct uranus, venus square uranus, sun trine uranus and moon trine uranus. And uranus is in my 1st house. We also had a lot of 12th and 8th house overlays... i just thought that saturn would outweigh uranus...but it doesnt seem that way. There is a definate pull from.my end to always want to keep in contact... but things ended on bad terms.. i have his number... he has mine... if he wanted to talk he knows im here.. but we are both too reluctant and too afraid of anymore pain to initaite anything. Most of the saturn contacts are from his part amd he made the decision to move away... which i do see was the wise decision because we couldnt not continue the way we were...the way it was.. but im suprised him being the saturn person has not once wanted to contact me... is that expected?IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 2924 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted January 30, 2015 02:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by sc0rpioRising: Hi both. Thank you for your replies... i did wonder about the uranus aspects....we also have venus conjunct uranus, venus square uranus, sun trine uranus and moon trine uranus. And uranus is in my 1st house. We also had a lot of 12th and 8th house overlays... i just thought that saturn would outweigh uranus...but it doesnt seem that way. There is a definate pull from.my end to always want to keep in contact... but things ended on bad terms.. i have his number... he has mine... if he wanted to talk he knows im here.. but we are both too reluctant and too afraid of anymore pain to initaite anything. Most of the saturn contacts are from his part amd he made the decision to move away... which i do see was the wise decision because we couldnt not continue the way we were...the way it was.. but im suprised him being the saturn person has not once wanted to contact me... is that expected?
I can empathize, I went through the same thing. It was overall lovely synastry with a guy who I had a Saturn-moon opposition with. To make matters worse he was Pluto and I was the Sun in our synastry so I was vaguely obsessed with him. However, we had a Sun-Uranus double whammy and moon trine Uranus in our synastry. That's too much Uranus for any one relationship imo. It ended abruptly.
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sc0rpioRising Knowflake Posts: 1232 From: somewhere! Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 30, 2015 02:41 PM
Ahh yess we had that too he was sun and I was pluto... and we also had pluto conjunct southnode too... it hurts to even type about it... the ubrupt ending was something ive never experienced... we didnt say goodbye.. i couldnt.. i left without him knowing i was even there.. anyway its all dome and dusted... and i hoped the saturnties could overule all the uranus and pluto.. but guess they played out stronger in the end...IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 5053 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 30, 2015 04:28 PM
Sun square Saturn- You never forget the other person, you think about them and feel connected even sometimes for decades afterwards but being together just isn't in the cards for you!IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 196 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted January 30, 2015 05:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Sun square Saturn- You never forget the other person, you think about them and feel connected even sometimes for decades afterwards but being together just isn't in the cards for you!
The aspect listed is a Sun trine Saturn. IP: Logged |
peony Knowflake Posts: 196 From: U.S. Registered: Dec 2014
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posted January 30, 2015 05:49 PM
Most of the hard aspects you listed are minor, except the Venus square Saturn. Were you Venus or Saturn? Whether Saturn is binding rather than separating depends on the overall synastry. A preponderance of harmonious planetary aspects and geometry, or the configurations that are mutually created are powerful. Even when hard Saturn aspects are involved, those configurations and supportive aspects can overcome the more difficult ones. Having said that, sometimes, the difficulties lie mostly in one individual's chart, and not so much in the synastry. If a person is emotionally crippled, immature, or fearful, it's less likely even a great synastry is going to overcome that person's inhibitions or insufficient capacity for relationship. That's been my experience anyway. In Magi astrology, Saturn aspects in synastry, whether hard or soft, are referred to as "captivations." The Saturn person has the control and the planet person is one who experiences the captivation. This can work out if both are Saturn in an equal number of aspects, but not when one person is Saturn in most or all of them. From my experience, Venus square Saturn in synastry is tough, mostly for Venus. Saturn tends to rebuff the affections of Venus, or have times when they're distant or cool. A friend of mine has had several significant relationships involving her Venus in hard aspect to the other's Saturn. Although the relationships ended, she's kept a long term friendship with these people over many years. Venus-Uranus in synastry can play out as instantaneous attractions and relationships that progress rapidly, but they can also end suddenly. IP: Logged |
starmoon Knowflake Posts: 1587 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted January 30, 2015 05:51 PM
questions like this strike me as bizarre. just because you see saturn in synastry it doesn't equate to binding synastry or mean that the two people will never part/separate. so many chart factors can make or break a couple, and other aspects will all play a role. i had saturn conjunct to venus both ways with someone - are we married? no. did we ever speak again after the break-up? no. we were only together 3 years. so, was saturn a big deal and binding? no. and he was saturn-ruled. saturn can help a couple stay together longer - perhaps even longer than they should since saturn will "work things out." but just seeing saturn in the chart won't mean it's forever. you can't really expect anything from any aspect just because you read that it *should* happen that way. if you have saturn contacts in synastry and a person wants nothing to do with you then there is something else at play you're overlooking.IP: Logged |
page one Knowflake Posts: 444 From: USA Registered: Jun 2012
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posted January 30, 2015 07:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by starmoon: questions like this strike me as bizarre. just because you see saturn in synastry it doesn't equate to binding synastry or mean that the two people will never part/separate. so many chart factors can make or break a couple, and other aspects will all play a role. i had saturn conjunct to venus both ways with someone - are we married? no. did we ever speak again after the break-up? no. we were only together 3 years. so, was saturn a big deal and binding? no. and he was saturn-ruled. saturn can help a couple stay together longer - perhaps even longer than they should since saturn will "work things out." but just seeing saturn in the chart won't mean it's forever. you can't really expect anything from any aspect just because you read that it *should* happen that way. if you have saturn contacts in synastry and a person wants nothing to do with you then there is something else at play you're overlooking.
Exactly. Ryan Adams and Mandy Moore, who are now divorcing after 5 years, have mutual strong Saturn contacts: Her Saturn on his Sun and Venus, his Saturn squaring her Sun. Did this bind them? Maybe. Did it save them? No. IP: Logged |
sc0rpioRising Knowflake Posts: 1232 From: somewhere! Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 30, 2015 08:14 PM
Im completely agree. Just because there are saturn contacts doesnt conclude the relationship will stand the test of time. I had the naive thought thinking saturn will bind us.... in some ways im glad it didnt because it was very emotionally draining. At the end of te day there is always free will which i feel superseeds any strong saturn contact.IP: Logged |