posted February 08, 2015 09:48 AM            

To make this worse, we have a composite Libra North Node exactly conjunct the composite Sun at the Karmic degree (29th), and exactly conjunct composite Moon in Scorpio. The ASC/DSC axis of this composite falls right on my natal Node axis (ASC on North Node), which makes me wonder whether this relationship is more likely to pull me down (SN) or make me evolve (NN) ...? I suppose it would depend on whether I am South Node or North Node oriented, but I don't have the answer to this either. Perhaps a mix of both ?...

Also, our Davison North Node exactly conjuncts the composite South Node at 29° Aries. Great. So the Davison SN is conjunct composite Sun and Moon, meaning that the relationship is not very likely to make us evolve... or is it ? Davison ASC is exactly conjunct Union ... but at a karmic degree too.

posted February 08, 2015 11:17 AM            

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The ASC/DSC axis of this composite falls right on my natal Node axis (ASC on North Node), which makes me wonder whether this relationship is more likely to pull me down (SN) or make me evolve (NN)

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No worries, you are the kind of person who will evolve wherever you find yourself. And this looks like too meaningful an opportunity to pass by.

Btw, have you looked at your nodal path at The Secret Language of Birthdays? www.thesecretlanguage.com

If you pick out the social/11H parts of that reading and just put extra emphasis there, it might resonate with you as a worthy goal. (And please do ignore any criticism in there...those books can be a little harsh.)

posted February 08, 2015 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
There has always been some confusion about my real Node energies, and now those of my current relationship. My natal North Node is in Leo but [b]in the 11th house and South Node in Aquarius in the 5th house. Furthermore, my huber placements say my North Node is in Aquarius and South in Leo, I don't know really which of these to refer to. I do resonate more with the Aquarian energy (i.e. as the South Node, what is familiar to me), but then again I have Moon and Uranus in Aquarius.[/B]

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I don't know if this is helpful, so take it for what it's worth.

Maybe the SN in Aquarius placement indicates that you're drawn to Aquarian energy being what's comfortable for you in a romantic partner. But the NN in the 11H suggests that who you love needs to include a larger purpose involving more than one person. Leo on a spiritual level equates with the heart center and love at the soul level.

I don't believe a chart can tell us the evolutionary status of a person, that is, one's state of being, so without meeting a person, I can't know from only looking at a chart on what level you manifest the energies in it. Moon conjunct Uranus in Aquarius, in a younger soul, I'll put it that way, can be cold and can easily cut off feelings if the heart center is not open. But in an evolved soul, I would think Moon conjunct Uranus in Aquarius would make it easier to attune to the requirements of the NN.

I'll mention one more thing, you might be an individual that would find non-traditional forms of relationships work better for you, i.e., polyamory rather than monogamy.

posted February 08, 2015 01:26 PM            

I know, it has to be fated, I've never seen something like this to be honest.

- my Karma conjunct his SN
- his Union conjunct my Destinn 0.02° orb (!) and Davison's Destinn too
- his Sun/Moon midpoint and composite Venus conjunct my ASC
- composite Sun/Moon midpoint square our Moons exact
- composite IC conjunct my Sun
- my Valentine conjunct his Venus
- DW Sun conjunct NN with Huber

... and I could go on and on.

posted February 08, 2015 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
No worries, you are the kind of person who will evolve wherever you find yourself. And this looks like too meaningful an opportunity to pass by.

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Thank you. Despite what I said in my previous post, I do think -- and I have proof -- that this is a (very) karmic relationship and we have something to do for each other.

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Btw, have you looked at your nodal path at The Secret Language of Birthdays? www.thesecretlanguage.com

If you pick out the social/11H parts of that reading and just put extra emphasis there, it might resonate with you as a worthy goal. (And please do ignore any criticism in there...those books can be a little harsh.)

Just an idea though

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posted February 08, 2015 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I don't know if this is helpful, so take it for what it's worth.

Maybe the SN in Aquarius placement indicates that you're drawn to Aquarian energy being what's comfortable for you in a romantic partner. But the NN in the 11H suggests that who you love needs to include a larger purpose involving more than one person. Leo on a spiritual level equates with the heart center and love at the soul level.

I don't believe a chart can tell us the evolutionary status of a person, that is, one's state of being, so without meeting a person, I can't know from only looking at a chart on what level you manifest the energies in it. Moon conjunct Uranus in Aquarius, in a younger soul, I'll put it that way, can be cold and can easily cut off feelings if the heart center is not open. But in an evolved soul, I would think Moon conjunct Uranus in Aquarius would make it easier to attune to the requirements of the NN.

I'll mention one more thing, you might be an individual that would find non-traditional forms of relationships work better for you, i.e., polyamory rather than monogamy.

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Thanks for the reply !

Wow, this is true ! Though I am very attracted to the fun, warm and enthusiastic Leo and I love their vibe, I would not like them so much as romantic partners. I prefer the calm Aquarian energy, like mine. You're right about polyamory. My crush is homosexual and currently has a partner, and as I don't want to hurt him by depriving him in any way, I did consider that idea once -- not exactly polyamory per se on my side, but more the idea of all three living together peacefully. Don't think it will every happen though, lol.

posted February 08, 2015 01:53 PM            

I think I get why I keep 'taking you under my wing'. There are a lot of synastric connexions, many of which are karmic. Plus, I'm an older LEO NNODE, so I can help you understand those hurdles and lessons better. Not to mention, you find yourself enmeshed in a synastry where his SNODE's on your KARMA? Ohhhh, brother. That's just a bit too close for comfort.

Not to mention, I was just chatting about CHIRON conjunct SATURN in another thread, commenting I've only known one (b 1970) to have that aspect -- but, lo and behold, here we go again; this time, 2º. Well, THAT's intriguing. SATURN/CHIRON is an energy of wounding, healing, and growing.

So regarding your NODAL energies, I'm going to say, very simply: don't overcomplicate things. The Huber degrees are a way to see how the choices we made to bring us to where we are, in the observable timeline we're living, on the earthly plane, are affecting those innate energies.

If yours are flip-flopped, you might consider that there's still something to the Aquarian energy in terms of your evolution. Maybe you're not going gung-ho towards Leo as much as you're moving in that direction, bringing plenty of Aquarius with you? Think of creativity in groups, or learning to value close friendship over romance.

I had to learn that lesson to an extent, when a soulmate reminded me the true value of friendship. His words were poignant despite his youth (he was only 19!) and I'll never forget them. 'I don't believe in the phrase 'just friends'. Friends are the most treasured thing on earth, and we don't give those relationships their true due.'

Wow! I'll never, ever forget that.

Now, you speak of a current relationship, but say that you've accepted that the other person can't love you, and the circumstances are impossible.

posted February 09, 2015 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne :
Peluches,

I think I get why I keep 'taking you under my wing'. There are a lot of synastric connexions, many of which are karmic. Plus, I'm an older LEO NNODE, so I can help you understand those hurdles and lessons better. Not to mention, you find yourself enmeshed in a synastry where his SNODE's on your KARMA? Ohhhh, brother. That's just a bit too close for comfort.

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I know ! And we're 2H Libras with 3H Scorpio Mercury, Virgo ASC and a 8º 12H Virgo Venus. With my huber SN on your NN.

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Not to mention, I was just chatting about CHIRON conjunct SATURN in another thread, commenting I've only known one (b 1970) to have that aspect -- but, lo and behold, here we go again; this time, 2º. Well, THAT's intriguing. SATURN/CHIRON is an energy of wounding, healing, and growing.

So regarding your NODAL energies, I'm going to say, very simply: don't overcomplicate things. The Huber degrees are a way to see how the choices we made to bring us to where we are, in the observable timeline we're living, on the earthly plane, are affecting those innate energies.

If yours are flip-flopped, you might consider that there's still something to the Aquarian energy in terms of your evolution. Maybe you're not going gung-ho towards Leo as much as you're moving in that direction, bringing plenty of Aquarius with you? Think of creativity in groups, or learning to value close friendship over romance.

I had to learn that lesson to an extent, when a soulmate reminded me the true value of friendship. His words were poignant despite his youth (he was only 19!) and I'll never forget them. 'I don't believe in the phrase 'just friends'. Friends are the most treasured thing on earth, and we don't give those relationships their true due.'

Wow! I'll never, ever forget that.

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Oh, wow. Thank you for this, Auby. It's true I've always been alone, sometimes because I was too shy to initiate conversation with people, other times because I liked it like that. I just love being alone, I love silence, peace, a very calm place where the only sound I'll hear is my own thoughts (oh and a bit of music, additionally too ). So, yeah, I never really cared about friends. Now, I've met wonderful people here on Lindaland, and I realize they're actually so precious. Thanks again, Auby.

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Now, you speak of a current relationship, but say that you've accepted that the other person can't love you, and the circumstances are impossible.

I've got to ask: how is that a relationship?

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'Relationship' as in 'student/teacher relationship'. He's a crush, I don't want to creep out anyone here.

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And why are you doing that to yourself? You seem like a very evolved girl for your young age. What do you think is bringing you to get wrapped up in something so ... unnecessarily troubling?

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I had to think about that last question, lol. Part of the answer is that I just fell in love, I can't help getting in this mess, even if I accept the fact that the circumstances are impossible -- but that just sounds too cliché. I guess, the other answer to your question is because I want to know so badly what's really binding us. What are we to each other ? Soulmates, karmic ones, something else ?... I feel there's really something big karmic-wise. I know he plays a important part in my life (or maybe I was just biased when looking at the charts ?), and the two little years I already spent with him seem too small for it to end here. I feel I have so much more to live with him. Besides, when my parents were about to move to a new town last Christmas, I was devastated -- as you'd expect -- but more importantly I felt like I was leaving behind something huge. Like unfinished business.

And I think that's where the whole NN/SN paradox lies. On the surface, I am not evolving by being involved in this ; I am too taken up by him and it's stopping me from moving on. But inside -- besides the fact that his teaching is very beneficial for me and makes me grow in another way --, just as I evolved by accepting that he loves someone else, I will grow from other karmic issues.