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Synastry Q & A: The Vertex

Question on the Vertex:

“I read that the Vertex is an important angle in synastry. My wife and I don’t have any Vertex contacts. Does it matter?

From Paul, Georgia

Vertex contacts aren’t necessary for long term relationships, the way Saturn contacts are. In fact, it isn’t common to see Vertex contacts in sustained relationships. Vertex contacts usually bring forth the kinds of experiences that may be intense and life-changing, but often short-lived.

The Vertex is often described as a ‘spiritual ascendant.’ It is said to be a point where we have ‘fated encounters’ that alter our life plans. However, the Vertex isn’t always about relationships. Anything eye and soul opening can enter our lives when the Vertex is activated. It can be jobs, creative projects, health issues, personal revelations. Much depends on what house the Vertex falls in. It is a point where encounters or events will bring some kind of personal enlightenment.

Why do Vertex experiences feel like ‘fate?’ We feel fated when our inner world meets the outer, when something is brought into our lives, seemingly from out of the blue, that feels as if it was meant to be. The ‘fated’ person or event seems to come from a place beyond our everyday reality to change our life direction or alter our consciousness. The Vertex is the place where we taken beyond mundane reality and are reminded that we are always profoundly connected to the greater mysteries and powers of life.

Whatever involves the Vertex will reach beyond ordinary mundane existence to remind and teach us that there is no such thing as ordinary mundane existence. Vertex happenings are a tap on the shoulder telling us that our ordinary perceptions are illusions, and that the truth of our lives is always found somewhere beyond material space and time. And this is why it’s considered a wake-up call to our real identity, our ‘spiritual ascendant’. The ordinary Ascendant causes us to define ourselves by our experiences; the Vertex concerns itself with what we are (or can be) beyond our external circumstances. Vertex contacts feel ‘fated’ because they lead us to roads we instinctively feel, but cannot yet see. Vertex happenings invoke the Watcher in all of us–the one who knows, the one who works hand in hand with the one who experiences. This is the symbolic reason it appears on the opposite side of the chart from the Ascendant. The Ascendant concerns itself with taking in ‘life’ experiences which reflect on soul; the Vertex concerns itself with spiritual experiences which ultimately effect life choices.

In practice, I’ve found that it’s the anti-Vertex more than the Vertex that is active in ‘fated’ relationship encounters. If the Vertex is the spiritual Ascendant, the anti-Vertex is the spiritual Descendant. It is ‘other’ through the deepest essence of Soul. If we allow it, if we are ready for it, the anti-Vertex contact can be more powerful than any other contact in the chart comparison. We feel as if this person is absolutely crucial to our soul’s development. The significance of this contact can resonate for years, long after the relationship has ended. However, there is one catch to Vertex and anti-Vertex contacts: we must be at a point where we are spiritually ready for the experience, or the Vertex contact may come to nothing. As Hamlet says, “the readiness is all.” (The exception comes when we have our own planets on the anti-Vertex; another person’s planet or midpoint that conjuncts the Vertex affects the polarity point of the anti-Vertex planet. It makes the Vertex a very active place.)

People with planets conjunct the Vertex are often driven forward in an almost magical way. I know an actor, an Aries, with Mars conjunct the Vertex in the fifth house. He hasn’t been out of work, give or take a month, since the age of 16. Highly unlikely in any actor’s life, but that’s the Vertex at work. It draws experience which moves us forward.

People with planets conjunct the anti-Vertex, particularly an important planet like the Sun or a ruling planet, are often unusually self-contained. Whereas most people seek to find themselves through ‘other’, the anti-Vertex people have a tendency to be their own ‘other,’ and not be inclined to partnership unless it’s a serious one. Not that relationships will not happen in their lives; on the contrary, the relationships that do occur will be highly charged and deeply significant. But you won’t find people with important planets on the anti-Vertex looking for any old warm body on a Saturday night. The planetary energy, whatever it is, is looking towards ‘other’ for spiritual completion, and nothing else will do. In fact, if the influence is strong, they may have a hard time understanding the day to day relationships and attractions that others experience. The planet involved with the anti-Vertex and the houses it rules will tell you the flavour of the encounters and what area of life will be affected via the anti-Vertex relationships.

In some, the Vertex is very active, in others, not so much. This depends on whether or not the Vertex is heavily weighted, and it depends upon the level of spiritual awareness, which cannot be measured in the chart. Vertices with conjunctions or vertices that hit a number of midpoints are particularly sensitive. It also can be very active by progression. And it is also related to how open and ready a person is for new experiences and turns in the road, something which cannot be completely measured. We all have the ability to turn away from fate.

If others’ planets conjunct our Vertex axis, we may very well feel as if we have waited for this person, for this experience, our entire lives. And that may well be the truth. Entire life directions, entire world views, can change when another’s planets conjunct our Vertex or anti-Vertex. We may divide our lives into ‘before’ and ‘after’ this Vertex-significant other.

If planets square the Vertex angle, then the development of this planet is crucial to whether or not I become aware enough (and brave enough) to meet my fate. For example, if Saturn is square my Vertex angle, then Saturn development would open the gateway for Vertex-inspired experiences. The more Saturn develops and the more we learn to use it constructively, the greater the possibility of Vertex experience. This could happen natally or it could happen through a contact with another whose Saturn squares my Vertex angle. If another’s Saturn squares my Vertex, their planetary development will affect my spiritual development.

Ultimately, interpreting the Vertex axis isn’t very different from interpreting anything else in the chart. Whatever house it falls in indicates the realm of experience the ‘awakening’ encounters will occur in. The sign describes the method/process of the experience and also the general flavour of it. The rulers of the Vertex axis play a part, as do any planets conjunct the Vertex axis and the houses they rule.

It’s good to remember that the Vertex axis does work as a point of fate, but it can only allow experiences that reflect in the rest of the chart; it opens doors to rooms we are not yet aware of. It isn’t a magic wand, conjuring up what we wish for. The Vertex impels us forward via the soul’s intention, but it cannot deliver what is not already there in nascent form.

You may think that the Vertex isn’t involved in your relationship, but look again. Was the Vertex active in either of your charts on the day you met? How about on your first date, the day you got married, or the birth of a child? Is it active in the composite? Take a look. You might be surprised.

by Dawn Bodrogi http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/09/11/synastry-q-a-the-vertex/

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posted February 15, 2015 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very informative ! Thank you Gabby

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posted February 15, 2015 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Peluches:
Very informative ! Thank you Gabby

Thank you Peluches!

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posted February 16, 2015 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any insights on vertex conj NN in synastry??

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I have Venus conjunct my anti-Vertex
Venus is my chart ruler and in my 1st house....this paragraph blows my mind. I've often wondered why I was so odd in how I handled or needed relationships and love I want it all..deep, deep, deep or I want nothing!
Pluto is conjunct my chart ruler Venus and Pluto is on my AC.

"People with planets conjunct the anti-Vertex, particularly an important planet like the Sun or a ruling planet, are often unusually self-contained. Whereas most people seek to find themselves through ‘other’, the anti-Vertex people have a tendency to be their own ‘other,’ and not be inclined to partnership unless it’s a serious one. Not that relationships will not happen in their lives; on the contrary, the relationships that do occur will be highly charged and deeply significant. But you won’t find people with important planets on the anti-Vertex looking for any old warm body on a Saturday night. The planetary energy, whatever it is, is looking towards ‘other’ for spiritual completion, and nothing else will do. In fact, if the influence is strong, they may have a hard time understanding the day to day relationships and attractions that others experience. The planet involved with the anti-Vertex and the houses it rules will tell you the flavour of the encounters and what area of life will be affected via the anti-Vertex relationships."


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posted February 16, 2015 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
Any insights on vertex conj NN in synastry??

Very fated meeting. The NN persons life path is part of the vertex persons fate. If the vertex person is ready to accept fate and the NN person is spiritually open to their NN path, willing to let go of the SN this would be an amazing awakening they could have by working together.

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posted February 16, 2015 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
Any insights on vertex conj NN in synastry??

Very fated meeting. The NN persons life path is part of the vertex persons fate. If the vertex person is ready to accept fate and the NN person is spiritually open to their NN path, willing to let go of the SN this would be an amazing awakening they could have by working together.

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posted February 16, 2015 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Very fated meeting. The NN persons life path is part of the vertex persons fate. If the vertex person is ready to accept fate and the NN person is spiritually open to their NN path, willing to let go of the SN this would be an amazing awakening they could have by working together.

Interesting! And what would that aspect in Aquarius 6H (vertex) and 12H (NN) be?

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posted February 16, 2015 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
Any insights on vertex conj NN in synastry??

One of the strongest links you can find. It always denotes a potent soulmate bond. VERTEX's 'fate' helps the NNODE grow and evolve. In other words, a lot of the VERTEX's experience can prove enlightening, and, in some ways, crucial, to NNODE's proper development.

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posted February 16, 2015 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
One of the strongest links you can find. It always denotes a potent soulmate bond. VERTEX's 'fate' helps the NNODE grow and evolve. In other words, a lot of the VERTEX's experience can prove enlightening, and, in some ways, crucial, to NNODE's proper development.


Spot on!!


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posted February 16, 2015 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed very interesting!

I have a wide orb Venus-Vertex conjuction in Aquarius 8H.
Most relationships that occur unexpectedly do feel like our paths were fated to cross.

A recent relationship I had with someone, which does feel to be strongly fated and karmic - my Vertex conj their IC and Anti-Vertex conj their Venus. Our Venuses are in opposition

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posted February 16, 2015 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
Interesting! And what would that aspect in Aquarius 6H (vertex) and 12H (NN) be?

My concern is hopefully the NN person is ready for this.
If they are not searching deeply for their path, they might still be fearful of going that deep. It's possible the conjunction will be to much and scare them.
But its also possible this could be just what they need to find their life path, if they have been struggling to find it.

Aquarius needs to follow their own path, if they can they will want to be blazing their own paths. Scientific, dreamers, visionaries...that would be a aqua NN who is genuinely following their NN path. They are the non conformist, fighting battles for equality and fairness. They have to learn how to balance their intellect with their sometimes irrational hearts desires,if they follow their heart fully they seem spastic and out of control, if they follow their logic fully they seem cold, detached and unapproachable. Being this is in their 12th...they might be afraid to express this side of themself.
Here comes the 6th house aqua vertex...they use the same aqarius energy in their every day life. This innovative energy comes to them in through everday responsibilities.
Maybe ordinary tasks that lead to creative ideas or inventions that they can use to take care of their everyday responsiblities. All the little creative gadgets that make life easier would be an aqua in 6th invention.

NN conjunct Vertex blends the 12th with the 6th house. Together, these ideas could become bigger than just everyday tasks...the 12th house might see how to expand these creative ideas into ways to help others deal with fears, deal with the subconscious things that block ppl from genuinely expressing who they are. The 12th house is the infinite...so it would use the everyday mundane 6th house ideas to expand horizons into the unknown...taking the mundane into the infinite.

By the way I love the opposing houses...it's a balancing act but it can be amazingly creative in that it requires work and finding new and unique ways to make two opposing forces come together in harmony. I have a libra AC, so all my houses oppose the natural house system. It's confusing at first but once you look outside the box(your Uranus vertex/NN will fit perfect) you find your answers.
You can see the opposition as a compliment to blend and balance together to create something original or if you only focus on the differences and how they don't fit very well, it will feel overwhelming. It can be the best of both worlds or the worst of both worlds.

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posted February 16, 2015 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome article, I am a huge fan of the vertex and this information increased further my understanding of it so thanks a lot for sharing.

It has also helped confirm that the job offer I accepted was a good decision. The day I start new job transit jupiter will be conjuncting exact my natal vertex in leo in the 9th, (jupiter is my chart ruler and falls natally in my 12th).

On that day transit mercury which rules my sun,AC and 7th house will conjunct exact my anti vertex.

My new job is working with kids and teenagers as a therapist and will allow me to get the needed supervised hours to get my license later and provide me with needed training. It will allow me to continue growing in this field.

I have been extremely anxious about this decision to move forward with this change and this article was a huge confirmation. Thanks.

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posted February 16, 2015 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I have Venus conjunct my anti-Vertex
Venus is my chart ruler and in my 1st house....this paragraph blows my mind. I've often wondered why I was so odd in how I handled or needed relationships and love I want it all..deep, deep, deep or I want nothing!
Pluto is conjunct my chart ruler Venus and Pluto is on my AC.

"People with planets conjunct the anti-Vertex, particularly an important planet like the Sun or a ruling planet, are often unusually self-contained. Whereas most people seek to find themselves through ‘other’, the anti-Vertex people have a tendency to be their own ‘other,’ and not be inclined to partnership unless it’s a serious one. Not that relationships will not happen in their lives; on the contrary, the relationships that do occur will be highly charged and deeply significant. But you won’t find people with important planets on the anti-Vertex looking for any old warm body on a Saturday night. The planetary energy, whatever it is, is looking towards ‘other’ for spiritual completion, and nothing else will do. In fact, if the influence is strong, they may have a hard time understanding the day to day relationships and attractions that others experience. The planet involved with the anti-Vertex and the houses it rules will tell you the flavour of the encounters and what area of life will be affected via the anti-Vertex relationships."


Is this only applicable for relationships?

That paragraph resonate with me as well.

I have Anti-Vx conjunct my chart ruler, Jupiter at about 2deg orb in 2H.. Is this too wide?

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posted February 16, 2015 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
I have Venus conjunct my anti-Vertex
Venus is my chart ruler and in my 1st house....this paragraph blows my mind. I've often wondered why I was so odd in how I handled or needed relationships and love I want it all..deep, deep, deep or I want nothing!
Pluto is conjunct my chart ruler Venus and Pluto is on my AC.

"People with planets conjunct the anti-Vertex, particularly an important planet like the Sun or a ruling planet, are often unusually self-contained. Whereas most people seek to find themselves through ‘other’, the anti-Vertex people have a tendency to be their own ‘other,’ and not be inclined to partnership unless it’s a serious one. Not that relationships will not happen in their lives; on the contrary, the relationships that do occur will be highly charged and deeply significant. [b]But you won’t find people with important planets on the anti-Vertex looking for any old warm body on a Saturday night. The planetary energy, whatever it is, is looking towards ‘other’ for spiritual completion, and nothing else will do. In fact, if the influence is strong, they may have a hard time understanding the day to day relationships and attractions that others experience. The planet involved with the anti-Vertex and the houses it rules will tell you the flavour of the encounters and what area of life will be affected via the anti-Vertex relationships."

[/B]


True! (I already read this once and never forgot it). I have the Anti-vertex conjunct my SUN in Leo in the 12th house.


I never forgot this either, from Alice Portman;

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If the Vertex axis has a planet or Node conjunct, it often becomes an over-riding force that makes the Vertex and that planet stronger than anything else in the chart, including a planet conjunct the Ascendant or MC.

http://aliceportman.com/what-is-the-vertex/

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posted February 16, 2015 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have Anti-Vx conjunct my chart ruler, Jupiter at about 2deg orb in 2H.. Is this too wide?

No, definitely not. Esp. since Jup is your chartruler. Strong placement!

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posted February 16, 2015 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
No, definitely not. Esp. since Jup is your chartruler. Strong placement!

Cool!

I don't know how this aspect has manifested in my life. 2H so it regards to my possessions and money? Well I'm not rich.. that much I know! lolol

My Jupiter also semisquares my Asc so I guess my Vx-axis can be pretty potent.. Would you say? I have do a few natal aspects to Vx..

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posted February 16, 2015 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
Is this only applicable for relationships?

That paragraph resonate with me as well.

I have Anti-Vx conjunct my chart ruler, Jupiter at about 2deg orb in 2H.. Is this too wide?


Not synastry here...it's speaking to a person with this aspect in their natal chart.

2 degrees is definitely close enough to make impact that can be felt! Very nice!! (Go buy a lottery ticket, now) lol

But seriously watch transits, esp whenever the Sun hits your Jupiter, but lottery tickets!

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Awesome article, I am a huge fan of the vertex and this information increased further my understanding of it so thanks a lot for sharing.

It has also helped confirm that the job offer I accepted was a good decision. The day I start new job transit jupiter will be conjuncting exact my natal vertex in leo in the 9th, (jupiter is my chart ruler and falls natally in my 12th).

On that day transit mercury which rules my sun,AC and 7th house will conjunct exact my anti vertex.

My new job is working with kids and teenagers as a therapist and will allow me to get the needed supervised hours to get my license later and provide me with needed training. It will allow me to continue growing in this field.

I have been extremely anxious about this decision to move forward with this change and this article was a huge confirmation. Thanks.


Awesome hypatia238!! Congratulations on the new job, it sounds so exciting!

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Originally posted by 3l3n:
Indeed very interesting!

I have a wide orb Venus-Vertex conjuction in Aquarius 8H.
Most relationships that occur unexpectedly do feel like our paths were fated to cross.

A recent relationship I had with someone, which does feel to be strongly fated and karmic - my Vertex conj their IC and Anti-Vertex conj their Venus. Our Venuses are in opposition


I have the Venus/anti-Vertex and my love relations always teach me so much. I could never just be with someone just so I'm not alone....that would feel so empty and fake.

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Originally posted by mir:
True! (I already read this once and never forgot it). I have the Anti-vertex conjunct my SUN in Leo in the 12th house.


I never forgot this either, from Alice Portman;

[QUOTE]If the Vertex axis has a planet or Node conjunct, it often becomes an over-riding force that makes the Vertex and that planet stronger than anything else in the chart, including a planet conjunct the Ascendant or MC.



http://aliceportman.com/what-is-the-vertex/
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That's very interesting Mir!!
My libra Venus is conjunct anti-vertex,
Libra AC conjunct Pluto
Pluto is conjunct Venus
It's so hard to know which is stronger in my chart Pluto or Venus but yes I so think Venus wins!

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posted February 16, 2015 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with a lot of what was said in this artical, and I've actually read it before. It's a fave of mine.

I've actually been preparing a to do a thread of my own about the difference between the Vertex and the Antivertex. I'm writting for it now, but the full thing will be ready in a few weeks.

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I agree with a lot of what was said in this artical, and I've actually read it before. It's a fave of mine.

I've actually been preparing a to do a thread of my own about the difference between the Vertex and the Antivertex. I'm writting for it now, but the full thing will be ready in a few weeks.


Sweet Lotis, can't wait to read it!

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Originally posted by Gabby:
My concern is hopefully the NN person is ready for this.
If they are not searching deeply for their path, they might still be fearful of going that deep. It's possible the conjunction will be to much and scare them.
But its also possible this could be just what they need to find their life path, if they have been struggling to find it.

Aquarius needs to follow their own path, if they can they will want to be blazing their own paths. Scientific, dreamers, visionaries...that would be a aqua NN who is genuinely following their NN path. They are the non conformist, fighting battles for equality and fairness. They have to learn how to balance their intellect with their sometimes irrational hearts desires,if they follow their heart fully they seem spastic and out of control, if they follow their logic fully they seem cold, detached and unapproachable. Being this is in their 12th...they might be afraid to express this side of themself.
Here comes the 6th house aqua vertex...they use the same aqarius energy in their every day life. This innovative energy comes to them in through everday responsibilities.
Maybe ordinary tasks that lead to creative ideas or inventions that they can use to take care of their everyday responsiblities. All the little creative gadgets that make life easier would be an aqua in 6th invention.

NN conjunct Vertex blends the 12th with the 6th house. Together, these ideas could become bigger than just everyday tasks...the 12th house might see how to expand these creative ideas into ways to help others deal with fears, deal with the subconscious things that block ppl from genuinely expressing who they are. The 12th house is the infinite...so it would use the everyday mundane 6th house ideas to expand horizons into the unknown...taking the mundane into the infinite.

By the way I love the opposing houses...it's a balancing act but it can be amazingly creative in that it requires work and finding new and unique ways to make two opposing forces come together in harmony. I have a libra AC, so all my houses oppose the natural house system. It's confusing at first but once you look outside the box(your Uranus vertex/NN will fit perfect) you find your answers.
You can see the opposition as a compliment to blend and balance together to create something original or if you only focus on the differences and how they don't fit very well, it will feel overwhelming. It can be the best of both worlds or the worst of both worlds.


Very informative!! Thank you

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"People with planets conjunct the anti-Vertex, particularly an important planet like the Sun or a ruling planet, are often unusually self-contained. Whereas most people seek to find themselves through ‘other’, the anti-Vertex people have a tendency to be their own ‘other,’ and not be inclined to partnership unless it’s a serious one. Not that relationships will not happen in their lives; on the contrary, the relationships that do occur will be highly charged and deeply significant. But you won’t find people with important planets on the anti-Vertex looking for any old warm body on a Saturday night. The planetary energy, whatever it is, is looking towards ‘other’ for spiritual completion, and nothing else will do. In fact, if the influence is strong, they may have a hard time understanding the day to day relationships and attractions that others experience. The planet involved with the anti-Vertex and the houses it rules will tell you the flavour of the encounters and what area of life will be affected via the anti-Vertex relationships."

Yes, I remember quoting this particular passage some time ago, as I strongly relate to it. I have my Sun loosely conj. my AVx (4), and my Mars loosely on the Vx (3).

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