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Aubyanne
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posted February 20, 2015 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello. My name is Aubyanne, and I'm a disenfranchised Twin Flame. ( ... Sort of.)

A few years past, I launched an inspired research initiative here on LL into the astrology of Twin Flames. It would become wildly popular, and we'd discover much in a relatively short time, building upon the studies of iQ, most namely. I also learnt about my own role as a Twin Flame, as well as the identity of my own Twin. 2012 would prove a momentous close to an enlightening, powerful decade, but give birth to a year of confusion, some regret, and terrible emotional pain. I felt that I was stuck with a man unable to love, and his attempts to do so were both misguided and abusive.

I relinquished the dream. I was becoming a more powerful psychic and spiritual guide than I'd ever been before. I chose to live the 'Twin Flame life' in spite of my sad, broken Twin giving in to the fear of change, rather than embracing a new beginning. I felt horrible, and fell into that long, dark night of the soul. I knew I didn't deserve his abuse, but I couldn't help but feel that I was abandoning a sacred relationship. I was miserable. I began devoting even more time to others; learning about this mysterious relationship and the role it's supposed to play, delving more deeply into karma, finally studying a long-held fascination (quantum physics) and returning to a lifelong love: multidimensionality. In the midst of it all, I was married to a companion Soulmate, whose deep-seated negativity caused me to retreat further into my spirituality for a sense of sanctuary, and I began to meditate. Frequently.

And, a few years before that, I'd find myself in a perplexing position, experiencing what I can only describe as 'the most overwhelming feeling of unconditional love' for a man that I barely knew; most troubling, I felt that I did know him. Somehow. As if his doppelgänger had begun coming to me, whispering in my ear and invigorating my dreams, fifteen years ago. But it was incredible; that just doesn't happen. Someone like that can only exist within my imagination.

Right?

Early 2013, after letting go of the dream of having a Twin Flame relationship, I returned my attention to the man who patiently stayed within my orbit throughout it. With whom, I had thought, I was now enjoying the serene platonic love that follows a romantic dalliance. More than once, several individuals had questioned whether we couldn't just be wrong -- and this was really my Twin Flame. Instead, I held firm and remained resolute. No, my Twin was an unevolved man who chose to run from evolving, and to hurt me to protect himself. I simply drew the short straw from the Twin Flame jar, and I had come to accept it.

We have a beautiful, and quite powerful synastry, with a strong and loving composite. But, I wasn't going to suddenly go into denial and claim he's my Twin. I could simply choose to have a Twin Flame relationship with him regardless. Yet 'Soulmate', in all of its glory, just didn't carry the proper depth. I've been blessed with many Soulmate relationships -- nearly all of them, to be honest -- starting in my teens (as I had much ground to cover!)

No, he's more than a Soulmate. He's ... he's ... 'He's your Guardian,' came a sudden insight from deep within my soul. And I immediately challenged myself. That isn't a thing. You've got various types and forms of Soulmates, and one Twin Flame. 'Guardian' is not one of the options available for selection. I rolled the term 'Near Twin' inside my head a few times as well; a high-tier Soulmate who was conceived at the same time you were, and so shares your frequency, but is not your Twin Flame. (Don't ask me. We're all always trying to figure it all out.)

After the term began to see independent confirmation, I realised there was some credence to this, and I explored further. iQ would soon after say that particular patterns in our composite were befitting of, and depicted this burgeoning 'Guardian' relationship. But I remained uncertain of the purpose of a Guardian. What makes it so special, and unique from a Soulmate. Why a Twin Flame might need one in such a specific role, and what it might be.

Until, it would seem, today.

I'm beginning to feel that the Guardian is one who has entered into an exclusive contract with a Twin Flame. Call it an insurance policy. I believe the Guardian can act by proxy for a Twin Flame, ensuring that this special mission is accomplished. You can imagine then, the sorts of qualifications a Guardian would need. In some ways, I feel they are even older than the Twins are, and it's probably not their first rodeo, either.

God, as they say, works in mysterious and magnificent ways. We're locking ourselves into third-dimensional thinking by presuming that the failure to physically unite with one's Twin is the failure of the Twin Flame relationship.

Let's reiterate that one, as it's vital to understanding the potential mechanics here:

The failure to physically unite with the incarnated Twin does not guarantee failure of the Twin Flame relationship, as it is not bound by third-dimensional rules.

Follow me?

Demanding a multidimensional relationship (or connexion) adhere to certain proscriptions of a bond on the earthly plane is akin to expecting a cat to solve Schrödinger's Equation. They're absolutely lovely companions, but they can't do complex mathematics. So banning a relationship from taking place simply because one of its members is unavailable is doing a tremendous disservice to the power of the Twin Flame relationship and the unfathomable abilities of All That Is.

Right?

So why do we do it? Well, we're human. Now, I, with my background in these higher level physics and the understanding of hyperdimensionality really shouldn't make such a basic mistake. But it's a lot for which to suspend one's disbelief.

Instead, let's consider the facts, in a fair and just manner.

FACT: Since I chose to live 'a Twin Flame life' and make my relationships 'Twin Flame relationships', I've experienced more love and positivity than I ever have before.

FACT: My dreams, paranormal experiences, trance states, meditations, karmic recollections, and tantric sexual explorations have all resulted in baffling and inexplicable knowledge, regularly defying natural laws -- like time, space, or the inability to perceive more than a single eigenstate.

FACT: Though I have maintained a distant-but-active relationship with my Twin, and we have physically interacted more this year than we ever have, something has fundamentally changed in the nature of our connexion.

I have figured it's simply my having moved on, removing any expectation of a Reunion here in our present lifetime, but the realisation that one can so completely 'disentangle' from one to whom they are so intrinsically bound -- is deeply tragic to me.

Wouldn't it be to you?

Further, I had to accept one of two possibilities: that my Twin was merely here to teach me, by cruel example, how to love myself so totally against even the greatest opposition. To be able to say with conviction, and prove by action:

I would prefer, and chose to share my life with, exceptional, and loving Soulmates, than a spiritually stunted and emotionally abusive Twin Flame.

And then I did it.

I strengthened my marriage, by delving deeply with my husband into all of our outstanding issues surrounding trust, honesty, devotion, compassion, and the existence and practise of unconditional love. It was painful. It was enriching. It was life-changing. We fought hard, but loved harder.

I allowed myself to be vulnerable to a man whose self-possession and ingrained sufficiency and asceticism terrified me. I learnt to take him at his word, and to trust in the moments when I felt most afraid, that his love remains solid and true. I deliberately chose such a relationship because of how thoroughly it would test my resolve, and force me to trust. Either I would grow, or I would lose everything. Completely.

I grew. I evolved. I changed.

Over a year later, I hardly recognise the three of us now; we've become a real family. My husband learnt to share his wife in an effort to understand how love is not, nor should it ever be, ownership. My boyfriend learnt how societal dictates don't equal happiness by default; he also discovered a depth of honesty he was afraid to express, encouraged by my husband who presented him with so much acceptance, he finally felt safe enough to be able to. And, in the midst of the two of them, I slowly found myself. I've become a formidable force of a woman, with a strength of compassion equal to the depth of her convictions and personal truth.

We've all found so much love; so much incredible, wonderful, true love.

How?

Perhaps my decision to simply be a Twin Flame in spite of my 'disenfranchisement' led to a lovely cascade of raised vibrations, heart chakra openings, and karmic reward blessings. Maybe.

So what would be the legitimate role designed for a Guardian Soul?

None other than another opportunity for a Twin Flame to bond and enjoy a sacred union. I know, I know: how's that possible, if you already know the identity of your Twin Flame? How could someone else 'be' your Twin Flame? Some call this the 'walk-in theory', where a living individual here on the physical plane provides a corporeal embodiment to an astral entity.

I knew the Guardian was somehow specially tasked with ensuring the Twin Flame is reunited, but the logistics were puzzling, and largely unknown. The how, or why, or by which means remained a mystery. But it's possible, that via a unique relationship between the three souls, and a contractual 'obligation', that in case one of the Twins is unable to complete the terms of their mission, the soul given the role of the Guardian will be able to step in and, essentially, take over.

Frankly, I can't imagine an energy more perfectly suited to this. Everything about him speaks of being honourable and duty-bound; to devoting himself -- and his life -- to others, and continually sacrificing his own happiness to ensure theirs. It's those very reasons I became so dedicated to love him, to give to him the chance to know such happiness, and to be so truly loved.

The more I contemplate this strange, phenomenal, yet potentially possible theory, I can even say when this 'changing of the guard' occurred -- or, more truthfully, this changeover. It's teaching me to remember to have faith, and never to feel abandoned, or excluded, or as if something's gone so irrevocably wrong, and we must simply deal with such a powerful, overwhelmingly tragic failure.

God comes through. The Universe provides. We are all in wonderful, loving hands, so long as we let ourselves be.

Last night, as I tried to sleep, I said a little prayer; I wanted to awake in the timeline in which he really was, somehow, inexplicably, my Twin; that, elsewhere, it turned out differently. The stars aligned in another pattern. The cards fell in an alternate way. That I wouldn't be bound in such a profound way any longer to a man who can never love me -- or with the depth and unconditionality with which he not only can, but does. I wanted, as if by magic, to find myself existing in the observed eigenstate in which I am married to a wonderful husband who's evolving a little bit more each day, and, though he doesn't share my spiritual understanding or metaphysical goals, wants to act beneficially in the world and bring joy to others in the ways he can. And, loved by an incredible boyfriend who's gone to sensational lengths to be able to, who's eager to create and share powerful art with an aching humanity whom he deeply hopes to teach, enrich, and ultimately heal.

And then I asked myself a question.

Then, upon having no reasonable answer, I asked iQ -- as he's single-handedly provided more guidance than I've had in this area, ever, and it's invaluable. Why would a Twin Flame serve the role more often handled by a Soulmate? If Twins are merely here to provide each other with painful and difficult lessons -- is that not an unconscionable waste of a phenomenal connexion, with the potential of being an incredible, profoundly powerful relationship?

We have so many Soulmates of varying degree; anyone, really, closest to us in our soul-family, at the top rung of the Oversoul, could inspire a deep psychic connexion and incite powerful change. In other words, those Soulmates would have proximal advantage.

Why a Twin? Do some of us just really and truly end up with such unfulfilling, ultimately disappointing and destructive Twin Flame relationships?

The answer is a resounding NO.

Twin Flames are arguably the most awesome force in the multiverse; armed with unconditional love, the ability to understand multidimensionality, and the desire to raise the awareness and vibration of humanity, so that we may all Ascend and return to Oneness in time ... That would, according to some ostensibly more fanciful theory, make us prime targets for those desiring we all stay 'asleep' and stuck in the third-dimension. What my mother calls 'the invisible side of the coin'. Forces at work which serve to harm, hinder, do great damage to our faith, our trust, and most of all, our ability to love. The fastest way to disarm a Twin Flame (or any highly evolved soul) is to remove his or her ability to love. That can be done a variety of ways; the most insidious, we could all agree, I think, is by causing such unspeakable heartbreak, that the other Twin loses faith, heart, joy, and the ability to give love.

This is where we get out of Twin Flames 101 and enter the realm of Advanced Theory.

'The False Twin' phenomenon is a theory seeking to explain the bizarre sudden reversal, or 'failure to launch' in some confirmed Twin Flame relationships. In short, it can be anything from a 'walk-in' of a lower vibration entity, or the intentional lowering of the Twin's vibration -- thereby making it impossible for the Twin to operate in alignment with the individual soul.

Imagine that we're all piloting our bodies, and Twin Flames have a secret copilot who doesn't announce their presence until the pilot is ready. Then the two fly in tandem, with the Twin acting as the other's wingman. You fly together in formation with a common objective. If something has damaged, say, one vehicle's control panel, or wrecked the navigation system, it's an unacceptable environment. Regardless of how it was sabotaged, they can't stay. It'll never fly the course that's intended, and they're wasting valuable time in a vehicle they can't pilot. The Guardian is then an emergency addition, launching from base and joining formation, soon flying in tandem with the original Twin -- so long as they remain undamaged and able to maintain course. You can imagine then that, despite the powerful existent contract, a Guardian has to be cautious. They can't enter the fray if the original Twin is able to regain control of their vehicle and reroute. There's no need to abandon that vehicle in favour of a new position.

But what if there is? What if they can't regain control? What if they are on a crash course?

A Twin Flame won't operate in mediocrity. They won't merely punch the clock and log hours of life. They have greater goals and bigger dreams, and they're insistent upon seeking to fulfill them constantly. Even in a period of 'downtime', they keep the faith and continue planning, preparing, to regroup and try again. I'm beginning to believe that my Twin's original 'vehicle' is unrecoverable, but, as planned, has executed the ultimate contingency plan.

The Guardian.

By swiftly acting to occupy another 'vehicle', after lengthy and thorough precautionary scouting, my Twin was able to begin copiloting with the soul that is my Guardian -- which is the very thing which makes him my Guardian.

Now, I think I know.
Now, I think I understand.
Now, I think it all makes sense.

And, in a strange way, I'm no longer a disenfranchised Twin Flame. Now I'm simply a Twin Flame enjoying a Twin Flame relationship. And a very special, incredible second chance.

So!

Who wants to talk Guardian astrology?

Any questions?

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posted February 20, 2015 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alegna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You mentioned earlier that the synastry wirh a guardian soul would show a lot of karma. I take it that this would mean lots of saturn contacts, as well as significant placements of asteroid karma as well?

What other placements would show a guardian soul relationship?

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posted February 20, 2015 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's very complicated and slowly unfolding, alegna. But I look forward to exploring it astrologically, as there are features to look for specifically in both natal synastry, composite, and progressed natal / synastry at the time a potential 'activation' might take place.

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posted February 20, 2015 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's very complicated and slowly unfolding, alegna. But I look forward to exploring it astrologically, as there are features to look for specifically in both natal synastry, composite, and progressed natal / synastry at the time a potential 'activation' might take place.

I believe you've listed things like Alma-something (Eros, Psyche?) and Amor-Osiris (as opposed to Isis-Osiris and whatever) as signs you previously considered as possible markers for Guardian souls. Are you still of the same opinion? If not, what, and if yes, what else as well?

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posted February 20, 2015 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Keela:
I believe you've listed things like Alma-something (Eros, Psyche?) and Amor-Osiris (as opposed to Isis-Osiris and whatever) as signs you previously considered as possible markers for Guardian souls. Are you still of the same opinion? If not, what, and if yes, what else as well?

That's what I'm thinking, Keela. Almost like a 'jumbled up' Twin Flame synastry (or natal). Rather than straight soulmate pairings, they'd be 'combined' soulmate pairings; ISIS-EROS, OSIRIS-PSYCHE, for rough example.

I'm starting to notice certain very specific details, though, much like the reason why iQ determined my 'original' Twin's ISIS and OSIRIS dynamics, for example, to be Twin Flame-oriented, rather than Soulmate-indicative. I understand that now, but it took a bit of research and contemplation.

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posted February 20, 2015 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That's what I'm thinking, Keela. Almost like a 'jumbled up' Twin Flame synastry (or natal). Rather than straight soulmate pairings, they'd be 'combined' soulmate pairings; ISIS-EROS, OSIRIS-PSYCHE, for rough example.

I'm starting to notice certain very specific details, though, much like the reason why iQ determined my 'original' Twin's ISIS and OSIRIS dynamics, for example, to be Twin Flame-oriented, rather than Soulmate-indicative. I understand that now, but it took a bit of research and contemplation.


Not sure how far you make it reach with jumbled up synastry. As in, if two people have Isis opp Eros and Osiris in contact with Psyche, in a composite or in synastry, that doesn't clarify if one or both are Guardians. If only one has the natal aspects then it seems clearer, of course, but does such a mixed pairing in syn/comp with someone suggest it's a Guardian and a TF interacting, OR two Guardians OR something else? In your opinion.

(Also, you go through so many threads you ignore your older ones.)

What's a poor "Guardian" also to do if on their own the rest of the time? Wait and see, or be ready to detach from possible existing relationships if needed, or what?

(Insert #ForeverAlone gifs or something.)

And yes, I know some lives (so to speak) can be fine just kicking back doing nothing much on romantic fronts or hanging alone, but it's still either that or living on constant alert as per your description. Some professions have being on call or on duty whatever the time of day, doctors or firemen at the station in their long shifts or whatnot, carers living at people's homes in case the elderly or disabled need their help, this and that. Doesn't mean that being as if romantically free whatever time of your life in case you're needed seems something many would pick for a "job" any more than the regular sorts of jobs mentioned. High senses of duty or not.

One reason asked was the Amor-Osiris trine Alma aspect, with Alma contrascia Valentine. Draconic Eros 1-0 conj Amor-Osiris.
Draconic Psyche still antiscia Amor but that'd be ~2 from drac Eros. Draconic Amor(-Osiris) antiscia regular Psyche likewise.

The Hindu ones form similar complex patterns but with their mates, draconic Siva antiscia Parvati and vice versa, Siva contrascia Tara, drac Rudra opp Kaali, this and that. Nothing straightforward or "easy", whether to see or possibly work either. *shrug*

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posted February 20, 2015 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which I why I can only say that 'jumbled Twin Flame synastry' would be a very, very rough start. From there, we could examine particular patterns, and look for specific degrees.

I don't think it's a very common occurrence. But this is where things start to get very murky.

Where do we get data? How do we confirm a Guardian before fulfilling their role?

It's all entirely case study at this point; there IS no sample. Not yet. And, frankly, perhaps the only way to even begin to compile one would be by extrapolating personality traits.

So, I do agree that SATURN would be involved natally. That which might indicate a 'duty-bound' type. As well as markers for asexuality and schizoid behaviour. It seems the greater 'trouble' would be less concerned with one having to stay 'available' as much as they'd be naturally disinclined to partner at all -- with anyone. Celibate monkish types. Not necessarily a major issue, except the Hieros Gamos is a part of things.

Truthfully, ALL of these issues were tackled as a part of our beginning a relationship, so I know that it's doable -- it just requires a GREAT deal of work, growth, and change from both parties.

First step really is to collect data, I think.

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posted February 20, 2015 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Which I why I can only say that 'jumbled Twin Flame synastry' would be a very, very rough start. From there, we could examine particular patterns, and look for specific degrees.

I don't think it's a very common occurrence. But this is where things start to get very murky.

Where do we get data? How do we confirm a Guardian before fulfilling their role?

It's all entirely case study at this point; there IS no sample. Not yet. And, frankly, perhaps the only way to even begin to compile one would be by extrapolating personality traits.

So, I do agree that SATURN would be involved natally. That which might indicate a 'duty-bound' type. As well as markers for asexuality and schizoid behaviour. It seems the greater 'trouble' would be less concerned with one having to stay 'available' as much as they'd be naturally disinclined to partner at all -- with anyone. Celibate monkish types. Not necessarily a major issue, except the Hieros Gamos is a part of things.


Edited.

I can't think of specific examples beyond a recent chart glance right now but am reasonably sure most of my synastry/composites more so feature the jumbled or mixed pairs.

I'm not taking the p*ss, just ...

If I had any leanings toward such a thing however, asexuality's definitely not a universal thing. Being able to go on perfectly fine without partners isn't the same. We've gone over some levels of sexual needs or urges in another thread, last summer-autumn as I recall. Celibacy in relation to other people instead of necessarily an entire lack of sexuality.

If people clear up karma through relationships, you end up with a stranger equation sitting alone in a flat being fine with it. Even if it can be a bit of an "Is this thing on?" thing poking at whatever relationship sides.

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Aubyanne...the chart I asked you to look at for me, today I realized something that's blown me away. Like I said I don't think he's my TF, already got that failure under my belt, but look at the new guy and my TFs synastry, and then how it falls around my karmic points....does look like a guardian/TF synastry?
My-
NN scorp@21.44
Saturn leo@2.49
Karma libra@5.49
Chiron aries@24.14
Anteros aries@25.15

New Guy-
Sun scorp@20.43
Dejanira scorp@22.08
Karma scorp@24.22
Sun/Moon midpoint virgo@24.05(on TFs Pluto)


My TF---------------------------New Guy
Sun taurus@3.36------------NN scorp@3.24
Jupiter scorp@0.46-------Juno scorp@1.55/Whiteknight scorp@1.17
Persephone libra@5.49
Uranus libra@5.38-------------Gaea libra@5.11
Mercury taurus@21.38-----Mercury scorp@24.01
Venus taurus@25.33--------Mars scorp@24.18
Pluto virgo@25.07------------Prosperpina taurus@27.02
Karma aries@25.11----------Moon cancer@27.25
Dejanira pisces@25.07------Armor pisces@27.05
Juno pisces@26.18----------Jupiter taurus@26.51
Discovery pisces@15.50-----DNA pisces@15.51
Saturn taurus@11.00--------Celestia leo@12.06
Gaea aries@10.14------------Uranus scorp@8.18
NN pisces@10.25------------Valentine pisces@11.43
Valentine cap@9.24----Devin cap@7.14/Discovery cap@6.16

My Valentine cap@9.50
My Armor cap@9.51
My Bless cap@6.23------------New Guy
My Neptune saggy@11.05---Destin saggy@10.20/Anteros saggy@9.10
My Pluto libra@11.05----------Aura libra@11.22
My Discovery libra@11.37----Pluto libra@13.02
My Aura cancer@27.02-------Moon cancer@27.25

TF's natal cap Eros/cap Armor and aries Psyche are exact square....maybe indicating he could not carry out his responsibility in this incarnation as a SM?
**Edit TF-
Psyche aries@20
Eros cap@20
Whiteknight cancer@20
My Venus/Anti-Vertex libra@19-21

TF's aries Psyche is on my 7th house aries Vertex
My libra Venus/Destin/anti-Vertex opposed making a T-square with his Psyche/Eros

The new guy has "Eureka" on my Anti-Vertex/Destin
New guys Vertex is somewhere between libra@15-26 so it could be on my libra Venus or Anti-Vertex...it's close to something no matter what because my is Venus libra@19.05, anti-Vetex libra@21.24, Sun/Moon midpoint libra@26

New guy has natal Psyche pisces@9 conjunct Valentine pisces@11 on TF's NN pisces@10

I have natal Eros cap@9/Valentine cap@10/Armor cap@9 on TF's Valentine cap@9
My Whiteknight virgo@10.17

Could New Guys Psyche/Valentine on TF's NN indicate new guys ability to carry on the Soulmate responsibly in TFs life path?
And the fact that new guys Psyche is exact sextile my Eros/Valentine/Armor shows this is my protection/guardian?

Anyway....what do you think all that means? Anything stand out to you?

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posted February 20, 2015 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gabby,

I do think there's a very likely connexion to be seen when studying the synastry of a Twin and possible Guardian. I noticed a rather staggering relationship between them -- both astrologically and otherwise. Strange linkages between dates, life events, and some similar personality patterns.

Keela,

I actually am an asexual schizoid, so you won't offend me. Heh. Being on the asexuality spectrum does make sense in this regard, however, as it's more of the 'detachment' or 'universality' side of things rather than deeply personal, entrenched or intensely attached.

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posted February 20, 2015 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What asteroids do you look at in this kind of relationship?

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posted February 21, 2015 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
What asteroids do you look at in this kind of relationship?

I'm slowly beginning to compile them.

Now that I see the purpose of the Guardian, and why it's intrinsically linked to a Twin Flame, I can start using mine as an initial 'prototype' of sorts. Heh.

My hypothesis is that classic soulmate pairings will be connected by pattern, but in a very structured, energy-complementary way. That's my I'm currently suggesting that ISIS/EROS and OSIRIS/PSYCHE would be good examples, along with 'textbook' Soulmate synastry -- VENUS/PLUTO, NEPTUNE/MOON, SUN/SATURN, etc.

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posted February 21, 2015 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm slowly beginning to compile them.

Now that I see the purpose of the Guardian, and why it's intrinsically linked to a Twin Flame, I can start using mine as an initial 'prototype' of sorts. Heh.

My [b]hypothesis is that classic soulmate pairings will be connected by pattern, but in a very structured, energy-complementary way. That's my I'm currently suggesting that ISIS/EROS and OSIRIS/PSYCHE would be good examples, along with 'textbook' Soulmate synastry -- VENUS/PLUTO, NEPTUNE/MOON, SUN/SATURN, etc. [/B]


I just found the creepiest and very interesting thing...
My TF..
Isis libra@5.16
Osiris libra@25.54
New Guy
Osiris leo@9.19
Isis leo@25.06
Their composite-
Isis virgo@15.11
Osiris virgo@17.37

My Moon virgo@18.28
My Dejanira virgo@15.11
My Isis taurus@15.31
My Osiris pisces@10.51

Their composite-

Comp Sun/Valentine conjunction sits on my Spirit, it trines my Pluto, sextiles my natal Neptune 0-1 degree
Comp Moon libra@1.16/Pluto libra@4.01
Comp Pluto sits on my natal Karma 1.5 degree
Comp Mercury squares my NN 1degree
Comp Venus squares my Neptune 1degree
Comp Mars on Regulus sextiles my Mars 0 degree
Comp Saturn/ Psyche sit on my natal Mars 0 degree
Comp Saturn/Psyche exact sextile comp Amor
Comp Jupiter opposed my Spirit 1 degree
Comp Neptune sits in my Sun 2 degree
Comp Uranus sits on my Anti-Vertex/Venus/Destin
Comp NN sits on my IC/Bless/Valentine/Eros/Armor

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posted February 21, 2015 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does it follow that New Guy might be your Guardian?

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Does it follow that New Guy might be your Guardian?

That's that I'm wondering....I don't know the new guy well enough but we've already had some intense experiences together, nothing sexual just knowing things about each other that there is no way we could know. Talking about things we don't share with ppl easily ...he's a scorpio to the max and he's spilling his heart and secrets out to me and I'm doing the same just moments after we met.

New Guy-
His Helio Isis leo@5.34
My Helio Osiris aries@4.28
His Dr. Isis cap@21.41
My Dr. Osiris cancer@18.58

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quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
That's that I'm wondering....I don't know the new guy well enough but we've already had some intense experiences together, nothing sexual just knowing things about each other that there is no way we could know. Talking about things we don't share with ppl easily ...he's a scorpio to the max and he's spilling his heart and secrets out to me and I'm doing the same just moments after we met.

New Guy-
His Helio Isis leo@5.34
My Helio Osiris aries@4.28
His Dr. Isis cap@21.41
My Dr. Osiris cancer@18.58


Okay. iQ had a good suggestion; to look at progressions and transits. Maybe even the FMC? If we can see something indicating they'd be 'picking up where the Twin left off' ?

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quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Okay. iQ had a good suggestion; to look at progressions and transits. Maybe even the FMC? If we can see something indicating they'd be 'picking up where the Twin left off' ?

Ok I will look at progressions and transits.
What is the FMC?

Is the fact that his Sun/Mars/Merc/Karma is on my NN and TF has Merc/Venus on SN and Karma inconjunct NN indication of picking up where he left off?

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posted February 21, 2015 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ok I will look at progressions and transits.
What is the FMC?

First Meeting Chart.

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
First Meeting Chart.

Our FMC NN is on my natal anti-Vertex and our FMC Vertex is on my nNN and New Guys nSun exact, I know the exact time we met.
The first thing he ever said to me was, "Do you know what time it is? I'm going to the game." I said, "Ya, but only if your taking me with you!" He said, "I'd love to!" Then I told him the time.
Lol...how appropriate! I didn't go with him, I was at work...but it's a very fitting way to start.

I ran the New Guys natal chart with our 1st meeting chart..
The comp chart has-
NN libra@25.17--TF natal Karma aries@25.11--my Sun/Moon midpoint libra@26.14, my nChiron aries@24.14

Comp Sun saggy@4.17
Comp Eros saggy@4.43
Comp Psyche saggy@2.00
Comp Mercury saggy@6.23

My nSun saggy@4.28
My nMerc saggy @3.35
TF nMoon saggy@5.05

Comp Venus saggy@29.06
Comp Mars saggy@28.42
My nMars gemini@29.33
New Guys nVenus saggy@28.14

New Guys Progressed Chart the day we met...
Sun saggy@29.19
Moon saggy @28.55
DC cap@1.57
AC cancer@1.57

NTF and "New Guy/Me 1st meeting chart" composite chart
cNN saggy@28.28
cChiron pisces@25.33 conjunct Psyche
cJupiter virgo@26.42
cMoon liba@1.49
cIsis virgo@18.40----my nMoon virgo@18.28
cOsiris virgo@12.12--my nJuno virgo@12.20/TF nSN virgo@10.25
cKarma pisces@6.06 square our natal Sun/Moon conjunction and new guys psyche/Eros Stellium in FMC/His Natal comp chart.

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posted February 21, 2015 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
The day and time we met transit Vertex was on my NN and New Guys Sun exact ...the first thing he ever said to me was, "Do you know what time it is? I'm going to the game." I said, "Ya, but only if your taking me with you!" He said, "I'd love to!" Then I told him the time. Lol...how appropriate! I didn't go with him, I was at work...but it's a very fitting way to start.

Hah! SO fitting. That's practically a meet-cute!

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Comp Venus saggy@29.06
Comp Mars saggy@28.42
My nMars gemini@29.33
New Guys nVenus saggy@28.14

New Guys Progressed Chart the day we met...

Sun saggy@29.19
Moon saggy @28.55


That's perfect. He was having a progressed New Moon, and the FMC/natal composite clearly shows how the two events are supremely aligned in the best way. And ALL on the GC!

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That's perfect. He was having a progressed New Moon, and the FMC/natal composite clearly shows how the two events are supremely aligned in the best way. And ALL on the GC!

I'm thinking it's going to take about a year to get this all going, because his 2014 (our birthdays are in Nov) Solar Return shows NN libra@18.46, my natal Venus libra@19.05
His srMars/Pluto on my nEros/Valentine
His srMoon trine my nSun 0 degree

I enter his life path but we don't have as much going on as we will his next Solar Return-2015

His srSaturn and srMoon conjunct my nSun
His srAC and srJuno on my bAnti-Vertex/Venus/Destin
His srJupiter on my nMoon
His srMars/Venus/NN on my nKarma
His srKarma in my nDC and oppose my nPluto

Me and FMC composite-
The comp Pluto/Venus/Karma all conjunct on his nKarma/Mars/Sun on my natal NN
Also my progressed Venus on the day we met is setting on my Sun 0.33 orb

Thank you Aubyanne!!
Wow...I'm actually getting excited now!!
Someday I may actually feel that depth of love again. That's all I've ever wanted was someone who opened me up so that I was able to love so deeply without fear....all that is there was this unconditional love.
I still love my TF like that but giving him that hurts him because he can't return it.
I don't want to hurt him. I'm just a reminder of what he can't do, it hurts him but not enough that he finds the strength to change it.
Oh well, maybe in the next life!

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YEAH!!! I found a conjunction of mine to his Saggy placements!!!

My 2014 (Nov) Solar Return MC/Vesta saggy@27 along with my natal Tyke saggy @26.26! WooHoo!

Plus my Hyperborea is cap@1.18
PortaCoeli cap@1.28(Heavens Gate)

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Aubyanne...I think this is supports your guardian theory being right on!! Thank you for this!!
Here's what I feel is proof in my charts...what do you think of this?

I bring these asteroids to New Guy's NN...these things oppose TF's Sun

3009 Coventry-agreement w/God to protect faithful
249 Ilse-"Pledged to God"
586 Thelka-Companion to St. Paul on missionary journeys; "Fame of God"

Again I think asteroids placements support your theory.
--His NN scorp@3.24--
My -
Cupido@2.02
Kaali@2.15
Pythia@2.17
Yes@2.59
Ilse scorp@3.09
Ute scorp@3.17
Asteroid Lilith scorp@3.50
Thekla scorp@3.57
Coventry scorp@3.55
Minerva scorp@3.59
Pandora scorp@3.59
Uranus@4.44


I ran composite chart with Him/Me/FMC...
Here's the results-
NN scorp@4.06 <~on his natal NN scorp@3.24
The FMC chart NN (on my Venus) and my natal NN's midpoint is his natal NN
Karma scorp@25.50<~on his natal Karma scorp@24.22
The FMC Karma and my nKarma midpoint is on his natal Karma
Sun saggy@4.20<~on my natal Sun saggy@4.28
The FMC chart Sun and his natal Sun midpoint is on my n Sun(same situation with my Mercury)

FMC/New Guy/Me comp chart placements-
NN scorp@4.06
Aliev scorp@3.56
Venusia scorp@5.15
Concordia scorp@5.45
Sabian-
Scorpio 4: A YOUTH HOLDING A LIGHTED CANDLE IN A DEVOTIONAL RITUAL GAINS A SENSE OF THE GREAT ‘OTHER WORLD’

Pallas sag@0.50
Coventry sagg@3.09
Eureka sag@3.36
Utopia sag@4.14
Sun sag@4.20(my Sun sag@4.28)
Merc saggy@5.27(my Merc sag@3.35)
Venus sag@5.29
Vertex sag@6.02
Devin sag@6.24
(5th house stellium, opposed Jupiter gemini@11.31, didn't see this before for some reason)

Astarte sag@0.08
Adonis sag@4.06
Ishtar sag@5.09
Lovelock saggy@5.11
Fidelio leo@5.26

Psyche gem@6.29
Amor pisces@7.31
Boda pisces@6.10
Amend pisces@6.05

(my nKarma libra@5.49)
Aura libra@5.29
Satie libra@4.46
Mahalingam aqua@4.14

Soomana sag@2.47
Sootiyo virgo@29.51

Ptah cap@5.29
Sekhemet cap@2.46
Ubasti cap@7.39

Saturn virgo@15.59
Rhea cap@17.16

Zues cap@16.23
Hera taurus@14.19

Tara virgo@25.33
Parvarti cap@27.33
Hara cap@26.00
Karma scorp@25.50
Destin scorp@24.05

Anteros aqua@21.21(my NN scorp@21.44)
Ilse libra@20.08
Whiteknight libra@20.25
Lachesis libra@20.46(my Venus libra@19/antiVetex libra@21)

Mars libra@29.15
Uranus sag@28.33
Angelica sag@28.30(on his progressed Moon/Sun/Venus/Mars)
Goodman libra@28.52
Ontake gem@27.59(on my N Mars)
Spirit aqua@27.57
Solidarity aries@29.19
Moira cap@0.50

Fortuna libra@0.53
Conscience libra@0.15

****EDIT****
Asteroid Guardamano 21615 and Guardi 8124 I typed in just for fun...
Composite chart with Him/Me/FMC...
Guardmano aries@29.18<~opposed this charts Mars, trine his saggy pSun/Moon, his comp with FMC saggy Venus/Mars and his saggy Natal Venus

Guardi scorp@23.18<~on this charts Karma, his natal Karma/Mars/Sun/Mercury, on my natal NN

His natal Guardamano is gem@16.24
My natal Psyche gem@15.24
~TF natal Guardi gemini@12.31~

My natal Gaurdi pisces@8.28
My natal Osiris pisces@10.
~TF NN pisces@10.~
New Guy natal Psyche virgo@9.52/Valentine pisces@11.43(hes sacrifice is part of my TFs lifepath)
My nEros/Valentine cap@9.00-9.50

My natal Gaurdamano aqua@6.40
New Guys natal Osiris leo@9.19
~TF natal Isis libra@5.16~
My Karma libra@5.49

New Guys Helio Guardamano gem@5.59
His Helio Guardi leo@5.25
My natal Saturn leo@2.50

~TF Helio Guardi gem@29.53~
My natal Mars gem@29.33

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posted February 22, 2015 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry I'll take all this down soon...I'm just excited to find it all and wanted you to see it, it's kind of amazing to me and definitely supports what you've found.

I wonder if I had met my TF on a different day would things had been different? He tried to meet me 2 times before I finally saw him.

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