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posted March 03, 2015 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I decide to look at Tisiphone in the new guys chart n mine...very interesting aspect my Mars/Tisiphone are a degree squared.

My Mars gemini@29.33
My Tisiphone libra@0.34
His Venus saggy@28.14
His Eros virgo@29.06

Comp Eros scorp@19.03
His Tisiphone scorp@19.55
My Vesta pisces@20.02
His Sun scorp@20.44
My NN scorp@21.44
His Dejanira scorp@22.01

My Alma leo@21.57
His Pallas leo@22.04
Comp moon leo@23.01

Comp Vesta taurus@23.04
Comp Venus scorp@23.39
His Mercury scorp@24.01
His Mars scorp@24.18
His Karma scorp@24.22

My Chiron aries@24.14
Comp Tisiphone libra@25.14
Comp Osiris taurus@25.01
His Isis leo@25.06
Comp Chiron aries@26.25
My Sun/Moon midpoint libra@26.32

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posted March 03, 2015 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really, I'm trying to understand how TISIPHONE relates AT ALL, Gabby. The Germanic take on her is, I think, potentially closer to the truth in some cases, but I feel that her operation is either variable, or very, very simple.

I've been astounded how many people came out of the woodwork, finding close aspects, within 1º-2º orb, which seems almost too much for coincidence.

But is it?

Finding the TISIPHONE links in my synastry was a HUGE lightbulb moment. Rather than trying to understand what it was potentially conveying, I KNEW. In fact, my soul knew it with SUCH a deep certainty, it was unnerving. Now, ACCEPTING that knowledge was a whole other kettle of fish!

But I'm still trying to understand how she operates. I sense it's karmic, much akin to the Germanic 'curse' that binds the killer and victim together, 'throughout time'.

If THAT doesn't sound traditionally 'karmic', then what DOES, I ask?

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posted March 03, 2015 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well in that case we are possibly tied by a Tristan-Isolda-curse or maybe just simply the triangle theme, I guess.


my Dr VESTA 21°12 Aries
my Dr TRISTAN 23°33 Aries
my Dr STONEHENGE 21°49 Aries
my Chiron 20°02 Aries

my Dr ISOLDA 23°01 Cancer
my Dr DEJANIRA 20°30 Cancer
my T i s i p h o n e 23°09 Cancer
my DESTINN 23°18 Cancer
my EROS 21°00 Cancer
my Vertex 21°31 Cancer
my PAN 21°02 Cancer

my ARTHUR 21°36 Capricorn

my DNA 20°20 Libra
my SAPPHO 22°06 Libra


his T i s i p h o n e 23°21 Aries

his DR ASC 23°57 Libra
his Dr PHOLUS 21°47 Libra
his Dr TRISTAN 21°06 Libra
his Dr STONEHENGE 23°36 Libra
his Pluto 21°23 Libra
his LANCELOt 23°06 Libra
his ANTEROS 22°20 Libra


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posted March 03, 2015 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gabby, Ceri et al,

When I first discovered my CHIRON is exactly conjunct my Guardian's TISIPHONE, it was a startling yet illuminating revelation. I understood why my CHIRON would be locked into his TISIPHONE; but I never fathomed his CHIRON would also be conjunct mine in Draconic synastry, though a little under 2°. The pattern would then carry over into our sidereal, but at 1°30, mirroring our tropical.

But nowhere is it tighter in orb than the tropical; his TISIPHONE 0°40 conjunct my CHIRON.

Astrology is a language of rhythm and movement. It has resonance and magnetism. It draws, repels, reflects, and resonates. The orbs, degrees, and minutes matter, the further in you go. A story can definitely unfold when viewing cross-system synastry. Those even slight differences count.

Bringing my discovery to LL, I was quickly floored to find how unexpectedly ubiquitous it seemed in tropical synastries of varying nature -- ranging from the romantic to the antagonistic and familial.

Where was a common thread?

Surely these were not ALL instances of debt-laced murder karma. Surely not. And so I began to try and unravel the famous Fury's greater mystery. It's been slow-going. I find myself returning in a kind of desperation to my own pattern; some days, I even boldly contemplate the answers to the whole thing might be hidden within.

I think I'm going to return to my TISIPHONE thread and delve into its pattern more deeply, knowing what I know of our karma, its debts, and the cycle of violence which continued across many lifelines for who knows how long until recently.

More to be added there.

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posted March 03, 2015 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, Gabby, your NNODE is getting trounced: SUN, MERC, MARS, DEJA, and KARMA. All essentially within 3º. Good lord!

Every moment with him must feel like an intense learning experience.

For me, it's his VENUS, KARMA, and SAPPHO -- and that's frankly enough!

As to how TISIPHONE is involved, I DO see that you have the natal square, as you mentioned, but I don't see where anything seems to be hitting your nTISIPHONE in synastry.

Is there an aspect, preferably conjunction, within 2º?

TISIPHONE makes her presence known, in no small fashion.

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posted March 03, 2015 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
BTW, Gabby, your NNODE is getting trounced: SUN, MERC, MARS, DEJA, and KARMA. All essentially within 3º. Good lord!

Every moment with him must feel like an intense learning experience.

For me, it's his VENUS, KARMA, and SAPPHO -- and that's frankly enough!

As to how TISIPHONE is involved, I DO see that you have the natal square, as you mentioned, but I don't see where anything seems to be hitting your nTISIPHONE in synastry.

Is there an aspect, preferably conjunction, within 2º?

TISIPHONE makes her presence [b]known, in no small fashion.[/B]


I love all his placements on my NN, there are even more. This is such an active place in his chart.
It feels like I'm being shoved forward on my lifepath.
Funny thing is I'm teaching him all the stuff I've learned and he's been so interested and amazed. He's picking up the books I've read and reading them. He's stared doing some of the same kinds of health regimes I do. I've been inspired to start working out again, he's been doing this for years. We think about the things we talk about and it inspires both of us to change, do better and grow. It's exciting!

The t-square isn't just mine...it's in our synastry.

T-square
His Eros virgo@29 is conjunct my Tisiphone libra@0
His Venus saggy@28 opppsed my Mars gemini@29

His Tisiphone scorp@19.55 is on my NN scorp@21.44

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posted March 03, 2015 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well in that case we are possibly tied by a Tristan-Isolda-curse or maybe just simply the triangle theme, I guess.


my Dr VESTA 21°12 Aries
my Dr TRISTAN 23°33 Aries
my Dr STONEHENGE 21°49 Aries
my Chiron 20°02 Aries

my Dr ISOLDA 23°01 Cancer
my Dr DEJANIRA 20°30 Cancer
my T i s i p h o n e 23°09 Cancer
my DESTINN 23°18 Cancer
my EROS 21°00 Cancer
my Vertex 21°31 Cancer
my PAN 21°02 Cancer

my ARTHUR 21°36 Capricorn

my DNA 20°20 Libra
my SAPPHO 22°06 Libra


his T i s i p h o n e 23°21 Aries

his DR ASC 23°57 Libra
his Dr PHOLUS 21°47 Libra
his Dr TRISTAN 21°06 Libra
his Dr STONEHENGE 23°36 Libra
his Pluto 21°23 Libra
his LANCELOt 23°06 Libra
his ANTEROS 22°20 Libra


What's really odd is about us is we met these guys on the same day May 22nd.
Doesn't your TF has a saggy sun or moon like mine? You guys also have Sun/Moon conjunction like us...is it in sag?

The aspects you've mentioned are so close to the same degrees as mine fall with my TF....

His Tisiphone libra@19.36
My Venus libra@19.05
His Psyche aries@20.09
My Vertex aries@21.23
His Eros cap@20.32
My Prey cap@20.50
Comp Circe cap@20.42(abandoned woman)
Comp Uranus libra@20.11

His Anteros aries@0.28
My Tisiphone libra@0.34
His Neptune saggy@0.12
His Lucifer gem@0.59
Comp Priapus cap@0.16

His Isis libra@5.16
My Karma libra@5.49
Comp Armida libra@5.22(abandoned woman)
Comp Pluto libra@3.05
Comp Osiris cap@3.16
Comp Dido cancr@2.38(abandoned woman)

Comp Tisiphone libra@10.25
My Pluto libra@11.05
Comp Anteros aries@12.55

-His Karma aries@25.11-
My Chiron aries@24.14
My Anteros aries@25.48
My Asmodeus aries@25.48

-His Osiris libra@25.54-
My Apophis libra @25.01
My Hekate libra@24.20
My Priapus libra@26.44
My Armida libra@26.40
My Sun/Moon midpoint libra@26.
Comp Moon libra@26.50
Comp Isis cancer@25.23

The story of Armida-
Armida was a Saracen sorceress and Rinaldo, he was a soldier in the First Crusade, the story was created by the Italian poet Torquato Tasso. In his epic Gerusalemme liberata, Rinaldo is a fierce and determined warrior who is also honorable and handsome. Armida has been sent to stop the Christians from completing their mission and is about to murder the sleeping soldier, but instead she falls in love. She creates an enchanted garden where she holds him a lovesick prisoner. Eventually two of his fellow Crusaders find him and hold a shield to his face, so he can see his image and remember who he is. Rinaldo barely can resist Armida’s pleadings, but his comrades insist that he return to his Christian duties.

In some versions of the story Armida is converted to Christianity, in others, she rages and destroys her own enchanted garden.
She occupies a place in the literature of abandoned women such as the tragic Dido, who committed suicide, and the evil Circe, whom Odysseus abandoned to complete his voyage, but she is considered by many to be more human, and thus more compelling and sympathetic, than either of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armida


Also interesting....
My TF Armida virgo@15
My Dejanira virgo@15
His Nessus gemini@15
My Psyche gemini@15
Comp Mars gem@16

Maybe the reason me and TF have karma.....he abandoned me and it lead to my death? Maybe he's done it more than once because of the fear he feels whenever he gets near me? He's had chances toke it right but never has. That's what's his karma is and what needs to be avenged?

My TF's Saturn is in my 12th house and it's the point of an exact Yod with my Pluto and Neptune.
His Saturn taurus@11
My Pluto libra@11
My Neptune saggy@11

I've read before Saturn square Neptune shows that the Saturn persons action had something to do with the Neptune's person death....intentional or unintentional.
The Saturn person could feel extreme fear and unconscious guilt when meeting the Neptune person again.

Do you guys have an aspect like this, Neptune square or inconjunct Saturn?
I'll look for the article I read about that aspect and post it.

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posted March 03, 2015 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's some from the article about Neptune square Saturn....

The Saturn-Neptune connection will not resolve itself on its own, both souls must be willing to work hard to heal together. To confront the 'danger' takes a very evolved soul and often I see one soul who is ready to deal with the karma and rekindle the relationship yet the other soul is not ready. This can be unbearably painful for the person who is ready to tackle the work. I should mention here that even if the relationship ends quickly, the two lovers will often continue to long for each other no matter who they are with or how far apart they are. That is how strong and binding this aspect is within a relationship.

As you continue to work with a Synastry chart containing this configuration, look at the house placements of Saturn and Neptune. This will give some clue as to which area of life brought tragedy in the past. Ask yourself, why were these two souls ripped apart so abruptly? In many cases, one of the partners died a dramatic, sudden death, especially if the 8th house is directly involved. Often their very love for each other was their undoing, and the step towards their own destruction in the past. No wonder that these loves feel so dangerous and frightening!

http://www.throughnightsfire.com/SaturnNeptuneconnections.html

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posted March 03, 2015 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri...you have aspects with Tristan/Isolde which is a triangle type relationship.

My TF has Tristan is on his Pluto
Our Comp Isolde is square my Pluto
Comp Tristan saggy@14.03
TF Isolde gemini@11.17

Do you guys have Nessus/Dejanira aspects?

Nessus/Dejanira...they are actually a triangle also.
Dejanira was left with alone with no one, due to Nessus.
A triangle theme and then abandonment leading to the females death or severe pain.....

I'm just thinking, wondering if the triangle is the connection to TF/Guardian karma? It's another triangle. Why does it seem the TF is always the one scared and running, are they not the genuine partner?
Maybe they are the one who came between you and your genuine partner and the karma must be worked out?
I don't have this crazy Chiron/Karma with anyone but the TF.
I don't know, I'm just talking.....please add anything if you feel.

Can you think of more couples who had a triangle involved in the relationship?

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posted March 04, 2015 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gabby,

"Ceri...you have aspects with Tristan/Isolde which is a triangle type relationship."
Yes, we also have a close conjunction of his ARTHUR 11°40 Cap conjunct my GUINEVERE 10°17 Cap,
and
his CASANOVA 11°26 Cap conjunct my ADELAIDE 10°27 Cap. (Adelaide de Gueidan being apparently the woman Casanova really admired AND loved, but for a change she left HIM - because she was married incidentally I think; which I wouldn´t even know, had he not flat out told me to look it up. Was of course some sort of joke/misunderstanding, I was getting al ittle ironical cause it seemed he was calling Casanova a "hero", and then he told me to read it up more closely and come in again. Taht was a weird day if I remember it rightly. )


Anyway I had to heartily laugh when I saw that and realized that he took over BOTH roles (Arthur and Casanova) simultaneously in different productions of course, right at the time when Pluto was transiting his Arthur-Casanova-conjunction (opposing his ATROPOS on 10°30 Cancer btw. So it was inevitable for him I guess)

At that time Tr GUINEVER was joining Tr Pluto in a conjunction as well.

Oh my.

Funny enough I did see the Excalibur/Artus-musical, and the composer/writer opted for making Arthur and Guinevere the big romantic couple. Well of course the whole middle happens as well with Lancelot, who is relaly a tragic figure in that play, being in love with his best friend`s wife and all, but he is not really the reason Guinevere cheats on Artus, int his play it comes about with the emotional distance that grows between Artus and Guinevere, when Artus gets all in revenge mode after his father`s death and will not listen to anything anyone else sais, including his wife, and flat out telling her that he is the king and she should get out of his way if she cannot support him blindly. What a....!

Nevertheless he is heartbroken and feeling very betrayed when he realizes that guinevere has slept with lancelot. Oh well, men.

BTW when that little convo about different opinions on Casanova= hero took place, Tr Tisiphone was actually conjunct that conjunction in our synastry.


As for the Casanova-play, I was supposed to see it on New Years eve, but cancelled it.
Anyway I might give it another go at the end of may, seems like a better time for me. lol


"My TF has Tristan is on his Pluto"
I believe there is quite some transformation indicated whatever Pluto conjuncts closel.

"Do you guys have Nessus/Dejanira aspects?

Nessus/Dejanira...they are actually a triangle also. "
Yeah with Herakles.

Well, not quite a Nessus-Deja aspect, though his Nessus conjuncts my Draco Deja by 2 degrees and squares my Dr Nessus exact. However, my square of Nessus and Deja is over 2 degrees, so I don`t think it is THAT significant. Maybe just like a subtly vibration in the background. After all ihave Deja on 00 Aries, so she is kinda on the AP.

I put the Draco in brackets.

his Nessus 18 Cancer (16 Aqua)
his Deja 2 Virgo (conj. his NN) (1 Aries)
his Heracles 16 Cap (15 Leo)

my Nessus 28 Gemini (18 Libra)
my Deja 00 Aries (20 Cancer)
my Heracles 11 Cap (lol THAT degree again ) (1 Taurus)

Well my Saturn conjuncts his Nessus and opposes his Heracles (and actually our composite Venus is on 16 Cap - along with ARthur naturally)

My Nessus is conjunct his IC and opposes his Moon exact though (and is squared by his Saturn, too).

"Can you think of more couples who had a triangle involved in the relationship?"

well Arthur - Guinevere - Lancelot of course.
Casanova - Adelaide (though I think she was running from her husband into freedom and just happend to bump into Casanova on the way)

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posted March 04, 2015 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those transits are a riot Ceri!! How appropriate!

I've read articles on Casonova where ppl put a "good guy" spin on him. Made it out like he was coming in and giving women attention and admiration when their husbands were neglecting them. Made it seem all he wanted to do was please these women...I guess that was his charm, being a giver instead of a taker sexually. Still I don't think that qualifies him as a "good guy"! Lol

I'll check the Lancelot/Guinevere/Arthur triangle,
Hercules/Dejanira/Nessus triangle
Maybe Penelope/Odysseus/Circe would be another.

Odysseus and Penelope, like Tristan and Isolde is another hard luck love story and it takes forever for Penelope and Odysseus to get to the "together" part...ugh! I do have these aspecting in the chart with my TF.
Lol, that story is very appropriate since my TF is always off galavanting the world, but I doubt he will ever slow down.

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posted March 04, 2015 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hercules(5143) Nessus(7066) Dejanira(157)
5143,7066,157

Lancelot (2041),Arthur(2597)
Guinevere(2483), Ginevra(613), (10870)Gwendolen, (358376) Gwyn (2993)Wendy
2041,2597,2483,613,10870,358376,2993

Odysseus(1143)Penelope(201)Circe(34)
1143,201,34

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posted March 04, 2015 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for Casanova, I think he is more multilayered than people have given him credit for. Of course he is no knight in shining armour either though.


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Originally posted by Gabby:

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Odysseus and Penelope, like Tristan and Isolde is another hard luck love story and it takes forever for Penelope and Odysseus to get to the "together" part...ugh! I do have these aspecting in the chart with my TF.
Lol, that story is very appropriate since my TF is always off galavanting the world, but I doubt he will ever slow down.

At least they found each other again in the end though.


One of the major pairings in our synastry btw.

my PENELOPE 21°10 Scorpio
my Anteros 19°27 Scorpio
my cusp 12 21°06 Scorpio
my ODYSSEUS 21°15 Taurus

his Valentine 19°36 Scorpio
his ODYSSEUS 19°50 Scorpio


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and


my CIRCE 27°37 Sag
my Vesta 1°22 Cap

his PENELOPE 00°49 Cap
his Moon 28°39 Sag
his MC 28°12 Sag
his Sun 26°57 Sag

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posted March 04, 2015 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I also like the story of Bacchus/Dionysos and Ariadne
3671, 2063, 43

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posted March 04, 2015 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TF and I-
My Dejanira virgo@15.18
TF Hercules pisces@16.48
TF Nessus gemini@14.01
My Psyche gem@15
My Moon virgo@18.35
Comp-
7th house-Nessus gemini@23.13
Dejanira gemini@20.13
Juno gem@19.24
Vertex gem@21.18
Saturn gem@21.55
Hercules pisces@10.33
IC pisces@8.14
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TF natal NN pisces@10.25
My natal Osiris pisces@10.42
My natal Pholus pisces@9.12
New guys natal Valentine pisces@11.43
N.G natal Pholus pisces@12.14
My natal Neptune saggy@11.15 square TF NN

New guy and I-
His Hercules aries@10.57(my Pluto libra@11.05)
His Dejanira scorp@22.00(my NN @21.44/N.G. Sun scorp@20.43)
Comp-
Dejanira libra@18.39 (my Venus libra@19.05)
Hercules pisces@22.27(N.G.natal Angel pisces@22.19)
Venus scorp@23.39

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posted March 04, 2015 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As for Casanova, I think he is more multilayered than people have given him credit for. Of course he is no knight in shining armour either though.


At least they found each other again in the end though.


One of the major pairings in our synastry btw.

my PENELOPE 21°10 Scorpio
my Anteros 19°27 Scorpio
my cusp 12 21°06 Scorpio
my ODYSSEUS 21°15 Taurus

his Valentine 19°36 Scorpio
his ODYSSEUS 19°50 Scorpio


That's a beautiful cluster!
Funny...again it's on the same degrees that are important in my chart and my potential "Guardian"
My NN scorp@21.44
His Sun scorp@20.43

I wonder if we are from the same soul group, we have so many important clusters that land on each other? We seem to have many similarities in our TF synastry.
I believe you have the saggy Sun/Moon conjunct also, which makes both your Sun/Moon midpoint sit on the composite Sun and Moon, like ours.

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posted March 04, 2015 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
That's a beautiful cluster!
Funny...again it's on the same degrees that are important in my chart and my potential "Guardian"
My NN scorp@21.44
His Sun scorp@20.43

I wonder if we are from the same soul group, we have so many important clusters that land on each other? We seem to have many similarities in our TF synastry.
I believe you have the saggy Sun/Moon conjunct also, which makes both your Sun/Moon midpoint sit on the composite Sun and Moon, like ours.


Yes, that thought struck me, too.
are our birthdates close to each other?
Maybe we should compare our natal charts to see if we are of the same soulgroup (I am sure Aubyanne could help with that)?
I find that intriguing.

do you also have an Isis-Osiris-conjunction in your natal?

And yes, composite Moon on 22°52 Cap conjuncts my Sun/Moon-mp on 21°31 Cap, composite Sun on 26°27 Sag conjuncts his Sun/Moon-mp on 27°48 Sag. Though the orbs are not exact, it seems interesting nevertheless. Coincidentally the Davison Sun and Moon are on opposing degrees (27 Gemini and 20 Cancer).

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posted March 04, 2015 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gabby,

I also noticed that your TF has also a harsh aspect between Nessus and Heracles. Interesting.

Mr Sag has the opposition.
I hesitate to call him my TF though. But actually think it does not matter what I call him. He`s simply a very important person in my life, no matter what hsi "role" really is. Of course I would be curious to know that, and while the experiences around him and events read like a checklist from some TF-website, I tend to be quite suspicious about checklists from TF-websites in general.

Our synastry probably spells heavy karma, and yet, I don´t feel it. Despite everything it doesntf feel heavy.

It`s just strange and defying categories for me, except that I can say he has a deep impact on me (and we apparently share some kind of psychic link), I had a major Kundalini whatever upon meeting him, he was the catalyst in the greatest journey I undertook so far and transformation, but most of all what pulls me to him (if I do not escape into some sort of mind-self-torture), is the feeling of carefreeness and joy, a feeling like when he is close, I sort of get access to my "child-Me" and feel more like myself, or well almost feeling like with him around I am the Me I was always meant to be.
Does that even make sense?

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This is interesting and sounds like a love triangle to me....
TF and I composite-
Arthur pisces@27.11
Lancelot saggy@25.14
No supporting aspects to these...

New Guy n I comp-
Ginerva pisces@27.39
Sun, Merc, Ceres, Psyche all soft supporting aspects to Ginerva
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TF natal-
Arthur pisces@26.10(my Wendy cancer@25.39)
Dejanira pisces@26(used here related to his vulnerability/fears)
Juno pisces@26.18
Pluto virgo@25.07
Venus taurus@25.33

New Guy natal-
Lancelot cap@24.01(my Wendy cancer@25.39)
Moon cancer@27.26
Vesta cancer@26.06
Jupiter taurus@26.51

New Guy and I comp-
"Ginerva pisces @27.39"
Sun scorp@27.36
Merc scorp@28.49
Ceres cancer @29.59
Psyche cancer@27.40

My natal-
"Wendy cancer@25.39"
Arthur pisces@28.11
Excalibur virgo@28.02(NG natal Eros virgo@29.03)

Composite with all 3 ppl-
Sun cap@19.36
Excalibur virgo@19.54(on my natal Moon virgo@18.32)
Moon virgo@27.03(on my natal Excalibur)
Mercury cap@26.26
-Arthur taurus@10.11
Ginerva pisces@11.18
Saturn cancer@10.10

TF's natal Excalibur cancer@12.14
TF's Saturn taurus@11.00
TF's NN pisces@10.25
New Guys Valentine pisces@11.43

These aspects sound like a love triangle, but the TF has a lot of fears/vulnerabilities with Dejanira and his Saturn always being attached to the relationship...so e fails to follow through. While New Guy has a lot of positive emotionally supportive aspects without the fear attached.


Btw-N.G.'s natal Excalibur scorp@19.26
My NN scorp@21.44

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, that thought struck me, too.
are our birthdates close to each other?
Maybe we should compare our natal charts to see if we are of the same soulgroup (I am sure Aubyanne could help with that)?
I find that intriguing.

do you also have an Isis-Osiris-conjunction in your natal?

And yes, composite Moon on 22°52 Cap conjuncts my Sun/Moon-mp on 21°31 Cap, composite Sun on 26°27 Sag conjuncts his Sun/Moon-mp on 27°48 Sag. Though the orbs are not exact, it seems interesting nevertheless. Coincidentally the Davison Sun and Moon are on opposing degrees (27 Gemini and 20 Cancer).


My Moira sits on your Sun/Moon midpoint...wow!

My birthday 11-27-75
Yes we should compare charts!
All of those aspects are very interesting and I don't hear of many ppl saying they have that...but yet we do and met these ppl on the same day? There's a lot of coincidences between our experiences...it would be interesting to find out what's up!
I had to look again, couldn't remember what Davidson chart looked like at all.
We have
My Sun saggy@4.28, his Moon saggy@5.05
Our Davidson has Sun aqua@19, Moon aries@26
Our Comp has Sun aqua@19, Moon libra@26
His Sun/Moon is aqua@19, my Sun/Moon mp is libra@26

I don't have Osiris/Isis-
Osiris pisces@10.42
Isis taurus@15.31

I do have-
Parana scorp@28.53
Mahalingam scorp@ 28.59
Union scorp@29.30
Soulie saggy@0.21
Parvarti saggy@0.58

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Gabby,

I also noticed that your TF has also a harsh aspect between Nessus and Heracles. Interesting.

Mr Sag has the opposition.
I hesitate to call him my TF though. But actually think it does not matter what I call him. He`s simply a very important person in my life, no matter what hsi "role" really is. Of course I would be curious to know that, and while the experiences around him and events read like a checklist from some TF-website, I tend to be quite suspicious about checklists from TF-websites in general.

Our synastry probably spells heavy karma, and yet, I don´t feel it. Despite everything it doesntf feel heavy.

It`s just strange and defying categories for me, except that I can say he has a deep impact on me (and we apparently share some kind of psychic link), I had a major Kundalini whatever upon meeting him, he was the catalyst in the greatest journey I undertook so far and transformation, but most of all what pulls me to him (if I do not escape into some sort of mind-self-torture), is the feeling of carefreeness and joy, a feeling like when he is close, I sort of get access to my "child-Me" and feel more like myself, or well almost feeling like with him around I am the Me I was always meant to be.
Does that even make sense?


Yes it makes total sense!
My TF, "Taurus Guy" he opened me up in ways I can't explain. He was a catalyst to me finally waking up! I can see how for us it could also be like you said, a kundalini awakening, because he woke up my soul!
My Kaali is exact opposed his Sun, my Saturn squares both. His Jupiter conjunct my Kaali!

I love what you said here....
"the feeling of carefreeness and joy, a feeling like when he is close, I sort of get access to my "child-Me" and feel more like myself, or well almost feeling like with him around I am the Me I was always meant to be. "

I have thought this exact same thing, I've expressed it to ppl to...it's like they wake up this innocent carefree child in us. The one the world tries to steal from us, they somehow give it back to us. I thinks it's our own eternal life force they help is connect to and it feels so pure, light, innocent and carefree we think we are feeling something in them....but really they have just opened us up to a part of ourselves we had not felt in a long time.
I have not seen my TF "taurus guy" in 6 years, it's taken me that long to finally realize it wasn't him, it was me all along and I don't need him to feel that way. I just need to believe in myself that what he opened up is always there with or without him. I love that I know that now! I deeply appreciate that he helped me find that. Now when I talk to him it's not so exciting or exhilarating, I feel what he gave me all the time now. I'm so happy about that!

Funny.....I don't know what to call these guys either!! Lol
I hesitate to say "TF" or "Guardian" I don't like labeling this because really how do I know?? Lol
But, like you said, I can tell they are very important life changing energies to me, just like you said regarding your Mr. Sag!

Funny it's like the new guy, "Gaurdi/scorpio guy"
is a puzzle piece inbetween me and "TF/taurus guy"
Scorpio guy has saggy Venus@28 opposed my gemini Mars@29
Scorpio guy has scorpio Mars@25 opposed taurus guys taurus Venus@25 (falling on my ScorpNN and Taurus SN)
Scorpio guy and I's composite chart has
5th house Venus/Sun/Merc scorp@23-27 conjunct scorpio guys Mars scorp@25
He's bringing Mars and Venus to my NN through his natal and our composite chart.


I wonder if you will meet a missing link, someone who aspects you and your TF in complimentary ways....OR you'll be the one that has a good TF that doesn't freak out and run!

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Personally Wendy for Guinevere does not sit right with me; but I found there is an asteroid Gwyn

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Funnily I just saw that in my natal chart GWYN is conjunct LANCELOT.

LANCELOT 16°47 Scorpio
GWYN 16°44 Scorpio


that is pretty close, isn`t it?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Personally Wendy for Guinevere does not sit right with me; but I found there is an asteroid Gwyn

Funnily I just saw that in my natal chart GWYN is conjunct LANCELOT.

LANCELOT 16°47 Scorpio
GWYN 16°44 Scorpio


that is pretty close, isn`t it?


Cool....I feel that. I kind of thought Wendy was a little far for it also, plus I have not seen very many charts with aspect hits using Wendy.

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When I was initially theorising, the 'Guardian' label was both intuitive and being independently confirmed. I was merely noticing a 'missing link' connexion between Twin Flames.

Over time, I've come to understand it may be, as I suspected, a kind of 'pinch hitter', who comes in when the Twin can't perform their duties, per se, and ends up having to take their place.

It's a charming notion, as it thematically echoes the Dionysus and Ariadne 'second chance' sort of relationship, and gives a protective sense that the Universe does not TRULY 'allow' a Twin Flame to fail to achieve their objective of unconditional love (and more personal goals) on the earthly plane. That, in the instance of free will of one interfering with the success of a relationship with the other, an ultimate 'contingency plan' has been installed.

The week in which I was coining the term, one of my oldest and dearest soul-sisters shared with me a dream that matched a vision I'd had during a series of them in 2012.

It was the fall of the Atlantean empire, of which I was a member of the ruling class, and she was part of 'the court' for lack of better. Due to the crippling coup and a stunning betrayal, she was to be named a Guardian, but the gates walling off the power centre of the city literally went into lockdown. Her perspective was incredible, as I was inside of the walls, and knew NOTHING of the chaos that raged outside of them.

As a result, she is unclear whether or not she is still a Guardian, or was not able to undergo the ceremony and be named; the ritual itself may prove important.

It was then that my jaw dropped, when she told me, that April night in 2014, as I'd been having very intense dreams myself, and bandying about the term that had come to me as a result of them, in trying to understand my relationship with who I came to determine as 'my Guardian'. Then, when iQ confirmed it via our composite, I started using it more readily.

WHY that term is almost foolish in its simplicity. Some things just come to you, and that was the order of things when writing, developing, and envisioning the 'fictional' world I'd co-created with my Twin. Years later, in late 2011, as we were beginning to develop the television series adaptation, certain roles were cast almost out of hand, for how they were an ideal casting.

My Guardian was then, undeniably, my character's Guardian.

It curiously was NOT a role that I'D created. Everything from his personality to his visage was developed by one who remains a part of my more distant creative circle. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the LACHESIS writers, is CLEARLY soul-family. Without a doubt. We just 'assembled' that October 2005-April 2006, and we remain on that outer edge of each other's lives, or, in a few rare cases, very closely on the inner circle. (One such is about to have the little girl I saw her with (at age 4) years ago. It's the 'little' things like that.)

So, some creation was clearly up to the others, and not me. Back then, I remember being floored by how much that Guardian character, (who was the most significant to my own character) was an eerie mimic for a character I had created years before, who remains central to so much of my life: Dr Penderan Fauste. Similar manner and personality with the same colouration. They could easily be played by the same actor.

And so, naturally, when it came time to cast ... they would be. I attached my boyfriend to it without a second thought. Sure, we'd already combined two biographies for a more complex character, thereby allowing us to have a complicated antagonist. He and my Twin hit it off well enough, but play against each other brilliantly. It was a solid casting.

Of course, it did have me thinking; of the 'soul tier' level that was being created as part of LACHESIS, immediately in relationship to the Twins were their Guardians. The Twins were from opposite Oversouls, while the Guardians were from their same Oversoul. There's a 'twin' element already inherent, as a result.

This Guardian had other plans, however. And if history -- and Disney -- has taught us anything, it's never trust the Royal Advisor!

As per LACHESIS, he was responsible for launching the coup, unsatisfied with his anything-less-than-everything role, a brilliant general of terrifying ability, he'd culled proper favour with the opposition, creating an uprising from deep within the constituency, echoing all the way into the royal chambre.

Very bad news.

BUT, initially, he was merely her foppish Guardian, to whom she was betrothed, who despised her devil-may-care Polar Doyen (our term for Twin Flames) who barely stayed planetside long enough to attend a council meeting.

Sadly, his whole personality opened up when we 'made him evil' the bad people we writers are. And we began to wonder ... what REALLY went down?

Of course, 2012 would prove a plethora of insight I'm STILL sifting through.

But THAT's the true origin of 'Guardian' and why it seemed a potentially legitimate start. More I've delved, it continues to open up good avenues of further research.

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