posted March 05, 2015 11:39 PM            

Feel free to comment on whether i'm accurate or not ,so i can improve my understanding of aspects.Thanks

First up is a chart between an online friend and me.He's 5 years younger than me.
What stood out for me was :

His neptune square his nodes.
I take this to mean that he has issues/karma with being illusion/taken for a ride/not living in reality.

And then my saturn comes and conjuncts his neptune(exact)thus squaring his nodes.

Which i take to mean that i'm supposed to bring structure to him,and it's part of my karma (as saturn is square his nodes-a skipped step) to do so.

posted March 06, 2015 12:02 AM            

Asteroids as well as other points that may be configured or, ideally, conjunct the SATURN-NEPTUNE can provide context clues as to what happened.

Overlaying the Draco synastry and reviewing any hits and configurations there provides insight into how much of it has built up over time, and how impacting the tropical (present) may be on future (Draco) influences, on the soul 'grand scale'.

Any sidereal links show immediate karma outstanding. If there are direct hits, it's an indicator that this is directly impacting the present from the recent past.

posted March 06, 2015 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
One's SATURN conjunct another's skipped-step NEPTUNE has a variety of potential 'causes'. The quickest thumbnail sketch is, similar to as you were saying; this is often addiction, escapism, or delusion. SATURN is to bring reality, hard lessons, structure, and essentially act as a 'tough love' or disciplinary force in regards to NEPTUNE's excessive daydreaming or escapism.

Asteroids as well as other points that may be configured or, ideally, conjunct the SATURN-NEPTUNE can provide context clues as to what happened.

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Alright i'm looking and searching for any planets or asteroids that hit our saturn/neptune conjunction.I came up with the following:

Edit:
(the orbs are between exact to 2-3 degrees)

My asteroid Atlantis square his nodes,hence it is opposite our saturn/neptune conjunction.

In my natal asteroid Atlantis is opposite saturn which i take to mean i have some karma to do with Atlantis.

This is further made a point by my karma being quinkix my Atlantis.

Now in synastry this configuration of saturn opposite atlantis which squares his nodes,with saturn being conjunct his neptune.

Furthermore his own vesta is conjunct his north node indicating that he has a purpose of being devoted to spiritual cause or creativity for a spiritual cause.

However,he has vesta conjunct north node square neptune.So this skipped step(ie neptune) is holding him back.

Neptune square vesta would indicate that he has illusions/some sort of lack of clarity surrounding being devoted to a spiritual cause or being creativy for a spiritual cause.

And then i come along with my saturn right on top of his neptune and atlantis opposite his neptune.

which means i have karma(saturn) to free him from his illusions(neptune)about being devoted to a spiritual cause or creativity for a spiritual cause.

To further make a point,his Karma is conjunct my ascendant(exact).

Though i can't figure out what Atlantis has to do with all this.

(i haven't got into draco and sideral yet).

I'm gonna come back with more.This is what i got at this point.

Still reviewing the charts.

But i'm curious what did you mean by configuration?do trines and sextiles to the saturn/neptune count as well?

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Overlaying the Draco synastry and reviewing any hits and configurations there provides insight into how much of it has built up over time, and how impacting the tropical (present) may be on future (Draco) influences, on the soul 'grand scale'.

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Any sidereal links show immediate karma outstanding. If there are direct hits, it's an indicator that this is directly impacting the present from the recent past.

Hope that helps!

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Still checking the sideral links.Did you mean direct hits from sideral to tropical or sideral to sideral?

what did you mean by hits(conjunctions?) versus links?(trines?sextiles?etc?)

Thank you so much for your help.I'm learning so much

Edited.Please take a look and let me know what you think

posted March 06, 2015 01:34 AM            

Just an FYI.

posted March 06, 2015 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
VESTA-NNODE is inspired creativity for a deeper, spiritual cause. It's much less to do with relationships than it does with solitude, and even 'guruhood'. Think devotion to a spiritual cause; Tantric sex, even, is in this category. But then so is creativity for a spiritual cause.

Just an FYI.

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Okay so my interpretation is slightly off.
Damn this is tiring work.Trying to make all the pieces fit together ,but it's fun.

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JUNO-NNODE would be a committed relationship that leads to spiritual / soul evolution. VESTA is creativity and devoted spirituality.

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Even if the conjunction(juno-NNODE) is in synastry by 2.6 degrees?

Would that mean we'd be in a committed relationship that leads to our souls's evolution?

posted March 06, 2015 02:23 AM            

There could very well be Atlantean karma with it so strongly configured. Of course, ATLANTIS does actually have meanings other than simply being in relationship to Atlantis. That can be explored as well.

ATLANTIS opposite SATURN conjunct his NEPTUNE square his NODES is an example of a configuration. A purely tropical one, meaning it's all present influences, but when it involves a skipped step, there's obviously something stemming from the past / an alternate lifeline.

This is a Cross, so there are dual influences working against each other. The trick is to see which NODE was last conjunct each squared point. You develop the skipped step (heal the outstanding karma) through that NODE. For example, if ATLANTIS last conjoined SNODE, then you'd need to delve into the past (karma) in order to heal it; but if it's NNODE, you'd need to develop your ATLANTIS in order to properly evolve. If it's SATURN to NNODE, then Saturnine traits are the means to soul evolution.

Crosses are locked systems, energetically-speaking. The oppositions work against each other to try and find completion, so the absolute zero-point of the Cross is always the centre of activity -- literally. This means that anything hitting the Midpoint of either opposition -- the NODAL axis, or SATURN/ATLANTIS, is a hotbed of energy. That makes anything squaring either opposition, that much more influential. (At least, this is how I came to understand why points square the NODES is so impacting.)

Now, consider the flip-side of SATURN conjunct NEPTUNE synastrically involving karma. The karma could very well be your SATURN's influence on his NEPTUNE -- in which case, it's potentially having been overcritical engendering extreme sensitivity, or refusing to allow a dream (NEPTUNE) to materialise (SATURN) which prevented him from attaining the sort of devoted spirituality or creative dedication (VESTA) he needed for his soul's evolution (NNODE).

For example, a well-meaning parent steeped in generations of tradition who refuses to allow their child to be an artist because it isn't practical, thereby leading the adult to be aimless and without direction, unable to dedicate or devote themselves to anything at all.

There are many ways to look at these things. That's why the Draco and sidereal are both so important, along with full analysis of the natal positions.

The fact you have his KARMA exactly conjunct your ASCENDANT is indeed indicative of outstanding karma between you.

To better understand how that works, think of the 'people as permanent transits' approach. How do you feel when tKARMA is on your ASC? Especially when it crosses the threshold of the ASC into your 1H from your 12H? When it makes itself known, by appearing over the horizon? Moving from the darkness into the light?

Anything that hits our ASC is a sharp focus; it's glaring. We can't help but notice. During the time in which tKARMA is within orb of being conjunct our ASC, it's our immediate attention. Right in our way. Almost as if we can't avoid it, no matter how much we might like to.

That's how it is with this guy. Every interaction has this undercurrent of karma to it; something outstanding; something undone. Something you HAVE to give your attention to. And so it typically is, with an outstanding debt.

So, look more closely at your SNODE, and his, as well as anything hitting from the sidereal.

posted March 06, 2015 02:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Aurora_girl1990:
Even if the conjunction(juno-NNODE) is in synastry by 2.6 degrees?

Would that mean we'd be in a committed relationship that leads to our souls's evolution?

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Ah, that was just an example of something that might be interpreted as 'committed relationship' for spiritual evolution and soul growth.

It's a different deal in synastry, since you're looking at more than a single individual with a constellation of energies. In synastry, the point tends to give freely and provide opportunities in the area it governs to the NNODE. If one has JUNO there, they give the NNODE the opportunity to tackle issues like inequality in relationships, or commitment issues, and how to be a good, faithful and responsible partner, or manage a successful partnership. There can also be circumstances which incite jealousy that need to be tackled.

posted March 06, 2015 02:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

This is a Cross, so there are dual influences working against each other. The trick is to see which NODE was last conjunct each squared point. You develop the skipped step (heal the outstanding karma) through that NODE. For example, if ATLANTIS last conjoined SNODE, then you'd need to delve into the past (karma) in order to heal it; but if it's NNODE, you'd need to develop your ATLANTIS in order to properly evolve. If it's SATURN to NNODE, then Saturnine traits are the means to soul evolution.

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What does this point mean?What node was last conjunct each squared point?

Do you mean in the natal chart?sideral?or draconic?Or the individual nodes that each planet has?or the moon's nodes?

Could you please explain this point.I really don't understand the meaning of the "node that LAST conjunct the squared point."

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So, look more closely at your SNODE, and his, as well as anything hitting from the sidereal.

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Anything hitting the SNODE from the sideral you mean?

And by hitting?does it mean only conjunction or oppositions,square and trines/sextiles?

posted March 06, 2015 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ah, that was just an example of something that might be interpreted as 'committed relationship' for spiritual evolution and soul growth.

It's a different deal in synastry, since you're looking at more than a single individual with a constellation of energies. In synastry, the point tends to give freely and provide opportunities in the area it governs to the NNODE. If one has JUNO there, they give the NNODE the opportunity to tackle issues like inequality in relationships, or commitment issues, and how to be a good, faithful and responsible partner, or manage a successful partnership. There can also be circumstances which incite jealousy that need to be tackled.

All of it is largely for the benefit of the NNODE, as it's their evolution that's getting a kickstart.

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I see.I have this in synastry with a friend of mine,actually you did his chart and mine a couple of days ago.He's the one you identified as my soul-brother.

posted March 06, 2015 03:27 AM            

No such luck in terms of conjunctions.However there were a lot of squares from my sideral planets to his natal nodes as follows:

sPluto/sValentine conjunct nNorth node(orb 2)
sVenus/sNorth node square nNorth node (orb 4)
sKarma square nNorth node (orb 2)
sAngel square nNorth node (orb 2)

as for his sideral planets hitting my nodes:

his sMars trine my nSouth node (orb 1)
his sAtlantis conjunct my nMars(exact)-which i found interesting given our grand cross involving the nodes and saturn/neptune opposite Atlantis in the natal synastry.

Now i haven't gotten to the fact that his natal ceres conjuncts my IC(orb 1) and so squares my nodes.

How do you do it Aubyanne?there are so many factors to consider and i don't know where to start.

Should i deal with my Saturn-Atlantis opposition squaring his nodes first and then with his ceres squaring my nodes later?

Not to mention his sSaturn conjunct my nKarma (orb 2) which then quinkix Atlantis.

or the fact that my sKarma conjunct my nSaturn(orb 3) which configures into the grand square in synastry.

or his sSun conjunct my nJuno(exact).

This is all very very overwhealming.But it's exciting as well.

If you have any guidance for me,i'd appreciate it.

Thank you very much Aubyanne

posted March 06, 2015 03:51 AM            

The other is a bit trickier.

For example, I have a Fixed Cross natally: CHIRON opposite LILITH square NODES. All 0°-1°. So it's quite strong.

In transits prior to my birth, tCHIRON was last conjunct the tSNODE, rather than tNNODE. In order to heal the damage left behind and properly evolve, I must deal with the nSNODE, rather than move away from it, as per the traditional teaching. Conversely, the tNNODE was last to conjoin my nLILITH, and so I develop my nLILITH in order to develop my nNNODE, and acquire its talents and skills.

It takes a bit of transit hunting. I suggest www.planetwatcher.com. Load in your birthdate and the move backwards by months until you see which comes into conjunction with the tNNODE. When seeking the tSNODE conjunction, switch to when the tNNODE was opposite either tSATURN or tATLANTIS -- whichever you select. It'll show you tSATURN, but not asteroids outside of tCHIRON, so try and get the degree and seek whenever the tSNODE was conjunct it 0°00 -- meaning, opposite the tNNODE, 0°.

posted March 06, 2015 04:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
His sidereal SATURN conjunct your nKARMA is the root. Look at that point more closely; study its details: degree, Sabian, dwad, etc.

The other is a bit trickier.

For example, I have a Fixed Cross natally: CHIRON opposite LILITH square NODES. All 0°-1°. So it's quite strong.

In transits prior to my birth, tCHIRON was last conjunct the tSNODE, rather than tNNODE. In order to heal the damage left behind and properly evolve, I must deal with the nSNODE, rather than move away from it, as per the traditional teaching. Conversely, the tNNODE was last to conjoin my nLILITH, and so I develop my nLILITH in order to develop my nNNODE, and acquire its talents and skills.

It takes a bit of transit hunting. I suggest www.planetwatcher.com. Load in your birthdate and the move backwards by months until you see which comes into conjunction with the tNNODE. When seeking the tSNODE conjunction, switch to when the tNNODE was opposite either tSATURN or tATLANTIS -- whichever you select. It'll show you tSATURN, but not asteroids outside of tCHIRON, so try and get the degree and seek whenever the tSNODE was conjunct it 0°00 -- meaning, opposite the tNNODE, 0°.

Give it a whirl.

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Just one question about the transit hunting..

Is it when the transit node was conjunct my natal planet(which forms part of the fixed cross) or when the transit node was conjunct the transit planet(which forms part of the fixed cross)

Ie my Atlantis at 20 degrees cancer(approximately).Should i look for when tNorth node conjunct/oppposed 20 degree cancer or should i look for when tNorth node opposed/conjunct tAtlantis(whenever that is)?

posted March 06, 2015 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
His sidereal SATURN conjunct your nKARMA is the root. Look at that point more closely; study its details: degree, Sabian, dwad, etc.

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Why is his sideral Saturn conjunct my nKarma the root?I'm not quite clear as to why it's that way.If you could explain i'd appreciate it.Thank you very much Aubyanne

Edit:I mean would my sKarma conjunct my nSaturn (orb 3) which is part of the fixed cross be more telling as to what sort of ways i can repay this karma?

Alright i did some research and i came up with the following:

The sabian for his sideral Saturn(23 degrees 42 minutes) is :

23-24 deg Aquarius
A Man, Having Overcome His Passions, Teaches Deep Wisdom In Terms Of His Experience

and the sabian for my natal karma (20 degrees 57 minutes) is :

20-21 deg Aquarius
A Disappointed And Disillusioned Woman Courageously Faces A Seemingly Empty Life

hence his sSaturn conjunct my nKarma by less than 3 degrees.

I'm too tired from all the data crunch for interpretation of the sabians but i'll come up with something and edit this later.

Edit:

posted March 07, 2015 12:02 AM            

1-when you say overlay the draconic synastry charts did you mean compare the synastry charts(draco) with the natal charts?

2-what did you mean by hits or links?Conjunctions?trine?square?oppositions?sextiles?

That's all for now.Thank you very much.

posted March 08, 2015 05:21 AM            

Mine:
venus
north node
amor
pluto
valentine

his:
vesta
north node
neptune

My venus/north node conjunct his vesta/north node square his neptune(which conjunct my amor) and also square my pluto/valentine.

It's like both our skipped steps in our natal charts combined to make a grand cross(is that what it's called?).

However,my saturn nor his ceres (which configures into our natal synastrical skipped steps ) aren't affected here.

However my dCeres conjunct his nKarma/Osiris which conjuncts my nAscendant.

Time to review Draco-natal synastry.

His dKaali conjunct my natal Atlantis exact(is this considered a link?),which is part of the skipped step in the natal synastry charts between me and him.

(which is interesting because his nKaali conjuncts my nVenus/north node and squares my pluto/valentine and his nCeres-a pattern?)

My dEros conjunct his nSouth node exact.(another link.)

my dChiron conjunct his dSaturn which then conjuncts his nIsis(orb 1)which trines his nSouth node.(thrid link?)

more to come..

posted March 09, 2015 11:14 PM            

his sEros conjunct my sSun(1.6)
his sDestinn opposite my sDejanira(exact)
his sKarma/Osiris= opposite my sVenus/mars midpoint
his sDestinn conjunct my sPsyche(orb 1)

sideral links his sideral to my natal)

his sSun conjunct my nJuno (exact)
his sJupiter trine my nSun(1)
his sNeptune square my nSun(1)
his sSouth node conjunct my nSun(1)

his sSaturn conjunct my nKarma(2.8)(why important?)

his sPluto/nessus square my nDejanira/child/mars(exact-1)
his sAmor/angel opposite my nKarma(1)

his sKaali conjunct my nSaturn(2.1)-ties into the cross.

his sAtlantis conjunct my nMars(exact)

his sValentine conjunct my nValentine/Pluto(exact)
his sChild trine my nPLuto/valentine(exact)
his sPsyche conjunct my nMc/Amor (orb 2)

his sAlma conjunct my nMoon (1.5)

his sDestinn opposite my sDejanira(exact)
his sDejanira conjunct my nVertex/psyche(orb 2.5)

Sideral links(my sideral to his natal)

my sPluto/valentine conjunct his nNorth node(2)-ties into the cross

my sMoon conjunct his nMars(1)
my sMercury sextile his nMars(1)
my sVenus/north node conjunct his nVenus(1.5)
my sMars=his nVenus/mars midpoint.

my sNeptune conjunct his nSun(orb 1)

my sUranus conjunct his nValentine(orb 2)
my sChiron conjunct his nEros(orb 3.5),opposite valentine(orb 2.5)

my sOsiris conjunct his nMars(orb 2)
my sIsis conjunct his nVenus(orb 3)

my sKarma=his nUranus/Neptune midpoint.(conjunct both planets <2)
my sSun conjunct his nAtlantis(orb 4.5)
my sMars square his aphrodite/child opposition(orb 2)

my sVesta conjunct his nAtlantis(orb 1)(a theme?)

my sLilith conjunct his nPallas(exact),his nVesta(orb 2)

my sVenus/sMars midpoint=his nJuno.