posted March 09, 2015 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
It's ok I was just excited when I saw it.
Wow, moon and name asteroid? Is this person in anyway obsessed with you?

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posted March 09, 2015 01:44 AM            

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Eros/Psyche MP Awakens desire to merge, sexual energy is intense, deep and emotive. Transformation whether taboo or not.

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Which sounds great and everything, but I guess I was looking for something more in depth. I mean, most astrologers agree that the Eros-Psyche connection is a Soulmate contact. The midpoint gotta mean something more than sexual desire.

posted March 09, 2015 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Well, the only info I found was Kim Falconer's site.

Eros/Psyche MP Awakens desire to merge, sexual energy is intense, deep and emotive. Transformation whether taboo or not.

http://www.falconastrology.com/astro_compatibility.htm

Which sounds great and everything, but I guess I was looking for something more in depth. I mean, most astrologers agree that the Eros-Psyche connection is a Soulmate contact. The midpoint gotta mean be more than sexual.

Obsessed? To be honest I'm not sure. He's the kind of guy that rarely shows emotion. There's no doubt that our connection is intense, but as far as I know my feelings for him are stronger than his for me.

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posted March 09, 2015 03:08 AM            

For example, 10° ARI 00 PSYCHE with 20° ARI 00 EROS and SUN at 15° ARIES. Even though both are 5° out of orb, there's a resonance created between the two and the third point due to proximity.

But if, say, it's 5° LEO and 5° AQU with a 5° SCO, it's intriguing, given the square the SUN would be making to each point, as that's a valid, in-orb aspect. But without something to activate the Midpoint in the natal, the synastry is going to lie dormant, for lack of better.

posted March 09, 2015 03:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
True
Well it's weird because he was the one who made the first approach, but I might of scared him off coming on too strong (maybe?) lol

A few aspects I remember are..
My Moon squares his Saturn (0) + Trines his Pluto (0) + Trines his Sun (3)
My Venus sextiles his Saturn (0)
His Venus conjuncts my Pluto (3)
Venus-Mars DW + Eros-Venus DW

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posted March 09, 2015 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Unless there's a point conjunct the Midpoint where the point falls in synastry, I've found this doesn't do much. It seems that it must be activated by at least one point making a conjunction to the point in synastry.

For example, 10° ARI 00 PSYCHE with 20° ARI 00 EROS and SUN at 15° ARIES. Even though both are 5° out of orb, there's a resonance created between the two and the third point due to proximity.

But if, say, it's 5° LEO and 5° AQU with a 5° SCO, it's intriguing, given the square the SUN would be making to each point, as that's a valid, in-orb aspect. But without something to activate the Midpoint in the natal, the synastry is going to lie dormant, for lack of better.

I'd love it if your core energy resonates with his unconscious concept of true love Soulmates. Alas, without anything for his Midpoint to latch onto, the energy is most likely to be untapped potential.

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How far apart do objects in the same sign have to be in order to have a midpoint? Are you saying when they are in the same sign, anything conjunct the midpoint won't have enough energy to effect the midpoint, only a square or opposition will effect it??

posted March 09, 2015 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Nice aspects! I doubt that was the last time your going to see him! I like that his Saturn is so active in your synastry, that's very helpful for staying power in a relationship.

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posted March 09, 2015 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
I'd have to disagree, the conjunction and opposition are considered the most powerful aspects. (Hence, why in Synastry they can go up to 5-7degs depending on your preference.)
So the idea that the conjunction would be weak in a midpoint if not in the same sign, while the others don't have to be at a particular distance doesn't make sense..to me anyway.

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posted March 09, 2015 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
How far apart do objects in the same sign have to be in order to have a midpoint? Are you saying when they are in the same sign, anything conjunct the midpoint won't have enough energy to effect the midpoint, only a square or opposition will effect it??

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Ideally, Gabby, I've found that the Midpoint can be a hidden linkage when the points themselves are out of orb, or rather wide.

Let's take my Guardian's KAALI-RUDRA as a good example; 16ºGEM'29 and 21ºGEM'01 respectively. This makes the Midpoint 19ºGEM'05. Even if we keep the orb within 0º30, we get a 0º04 conjunction to VALENTINE, (and MADHATTER, 0º20, but that's theme representation, and a bit different from this right here).

This natal Midpoint picture can then be written as KAALI/RUDRA=VALENTINE.

So, what can we do with it, anyway? Well, a few things, as what we have is a RUDRA and KAALI infused VALENTINE. (And, lemme tell ya, that is one powerful VALENTINE!) Now, I prefer 0º and 90º for Midpoints, personally, within 2º at most. But if configurations are forming, don't neglect to harness that power! So, while T-Squares are a given, that also includes Grand Crosses and Trines.

In this particular synastry, my PSYCHE is 1º conjunct his VALENTINE=KAALI/RUDRA; it's also 0º trine my SUN. It could be trine 1º trine my SNODE, but NODES (and mathematical points) tend to receive rather than actively make aspects. It receives an aspect from his VALENTINE, but [i[not[/i] from his KAALI/RUDRA.

But wait, remember how we're dealing with 16º and 21º here? Because his KAALI/RUDRA makes a 0º trine to my SUN, we can count the 3º trine to KAALI -- and RUDRA. Separately.

Think of it like reinforcement of a theme. You've got SUN trine KAALI/RUDRA -- the unification of the two points -- then trine to KAALI and trine to RUDRA. So, if you want to count a trine, I would suggest it have reinforcement to support a wide orb. (I'm also only really considering 3º because it's to a major light -- the SUN.)

So getting back to synastric EROS/PSYCHE=SUN, why wouldn't 9ºAQU'12 and 05ºVIR'52 have much relationship to SUN at 23º SCORPIO? Well, the Midpoint itself is 22ºSCO'30, so if it's early 23º SCO, it's well within classic Midpoint range, (1º-1º30, maximum in most cases).

Let's break it down.

5º VIRGO and 09º AQUARIUS have no aspect relationship to 22º or 23º SCORPIO. That makes it tougher to form a relationship. PSYCHE may have an easier time grokking the SUN, by VIRGO/SCORPIO alone; but EROS' cool Aquarian vibe is hard for SCORPIO to process on an intimate level.

So, it would seem the ultimate fusion of the two, EROS and PSYCHE, then become a new unit, operating at 22º SCORPIO. And this is true. There is a new understanding and opportunity for resonance and relationship with the two combined that has a special connexion to 21º-24 SCORPIO.

In theory, I'd THINK that anything that hits that range WOULD activate it. But I've not seen that to be the case.

Take, for example, my Twin, as that's a host of untapped potential. A veritable wellspring.

Now, you could make the argument of 'well, it's a NODE,' and thus, doesn't make, and only receive aspects. This is definitely fair, I feel. Nonetheless, there's a LOT going on at that degree of 18º AQUARIUS, where my SNODE falls, exactly.

He's got his VENUS/MARS and EROS/PSYCHE both at 18º-19º. Seems like a major hotspot. And, since we've got some serious planetary power behind it, the typical asteroids-only rules don't actually apply.

The lineup:

10º AQU (EROS)
13º AQU (VENUS)
26º AQU (MARS/PSYCHE)

So, he's essentially got VENUS/EROS and MARS/PSYCHE. My SNODE is within 5º of being conjunct his VENUS, which we accept in karmic astrology. His EROS, on the other hand, at 8º is really pushing it. Only, and maybe by carrying some of his VENUS energy, could we claim an aspect relationship of SNODE and EROS. Same with MARS/PSYCHE; 8º orb again. We can count MARS. And, maybe PSYCHE, only because of it being 0º conjunct MARS and carrying its energy.

So, in actuality, what we have is:

VENUS(EROS) conjunct SNODE (5º)
MARS(PSYCHE) conjunct SNODE (8º)

Really not anything to write home about, and only a big deal if we're dealing in karmic astrology. In which case, suddenly, we take the Midpoint and find ... 18º and 19º AQUARIUS. The EROS/PSYCHE Midpoint is a direct hit on the SNODE, and the VENUS/MARS is 1º, so clearly within orb.

So what does that mean?

Simply put, it's the indication of Soulmate relationships in former lifelines which is a faint echo in the present, given that it's the SNODE which is receiving the Midpoint, along with wide conjunctions to the planets -- but not asteroids.

And therein lies the reason why it appears that straight Midpoint conjunctions of asteroid points don't activate unless a natal point links them within orb.

Asteroids don't carry their energy beyond 3º or 4º orbs at absolute most.

Should this Midpoint overlay another Midpoint which involves lights or planets, those might be within orb, and carrying influence INTO the asteroid Midpoint, which must be VERY precise in order to hit -- in which case, the Midpoint is meaningless; we'd simply have dual conjunctions, with the Midpoint taken as mere reinforcement. We don't even need it then; it's understood.

Well. Did that Midpoint 'work' ? Kinda yeah, and kinda no. We are Twins. He does feel (yet also rage against) the Soulmate energy exhibited in his EROS/PSYCHE. I can only theorise because there's nothing in his natal to activate it -- to bring it to his consciousness -- to allow him to acknowledge it.

So what's the crucial difference among the three?

The top picture, KAALI/RUDRA=VALENTINE, while not supported by planetary energy, and, RUDRA being too out of orb to be conjunct PSYCHE (4º) even though KAALI is within orb (1º) the MAJOR difference is that the KAALI/RUDRA Midpoint is natally conjunct VALENTINE, at 0º. At some level, the energy IS known to my Guardian. When expressing his VALENTINE, his KAALI/RUDRA follows.

My Twin has nothing to actively express his EROS/PSYCHE, so my SNODE coming along to conjunct it feels like some sort of invasion.

In conclusion, unless there's a natal point also conjunct the asteroid Midpoint, the energy is likely to feel too foreign for proper operation, and the orbs must be very, very tight to form an aspect -- and in most cases, they're out of orb. So without anything for the natal to 'latch onto' it stays in the realm of potential.

posted March 10, 2015 03:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hmmmm.....ok. I'll need time to process all that!
With that information in mind, in our case, in his chart his Eros/Psyche midpoint falls on his Ceres and my name asteroids(both of them, my birth name and my new name are exact conjunct on his Ceres) they all fall on my natal Moon 0-1 degree.

Moonfish, does your guy have anything in his chart that falls at scorp@22/23?
By the way your Sun is on my NN!!

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No worries, Gabby. It's a lot. I just felt it was best to be thorough.