posted March 10, 2015 07:38 AM            

What do you think is dispensable for a proper analysis?

I often disregard asteroids. I never found them to have a remarkable impact when analyzing a synastry.
No idea why so many rave about them.

posted March 10, 2015 08:18 AM            

However I am more concerned with what is underrated, and I think that is true for the luminaries especially along with the angles, which are the most individual points in a chart (because they are most specific to a certain MOMENT in time, your birthmoment, and not even the whole day).

posted March 10, 2015 08:53 AM            

It is tricky, I mean we have to start somewhere and the symbolism is the basis of our interpretation. the building blocks so to speak, but we have to go beyond that and interprete it in relation to the individual chart and its make up.

For example:
cookbook sais Venus conjunct Mars will ALWAYS lead to intense passion and attraction and chemistry between people, they will fall in love instantly and rip off each other`s clothes at the mere sight.

While this is true as a general interpretation of the Venus-Mars-conjunction, what if the synastry shows that this Venus-Mars-conjunction is squared tightly by Saturn of the one person and Neptune by the other?
You can drop the "ripping off your clothes" scenario from your menulist then.

posted March 10, 2015 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
those that spell doom or blessing with a given aspect.

It is tricky, I mean we have to start somewhere and the symbolism is the basis of our interpretation. the building blocks so to speak, but we have to go beyond that and interprete it in relation to the individual chart and its make up.

For example:
cookbook sais Venus conjunct Mars will ALWAYS lead to intense passion and attraction and chemistry between people, they will fall in love instantly and rip off each other`s clothes at the mere sight.

While this is true as a general interpretation of the Venus-Mars-conjunction, what if the synastry shows that this Venus-Mars-conjunction is squared tightly by Saturn of the one person and Neptune by the other?
You can drop the "ripping off your clothes" scenario from your menulist then.

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venus/marc conj can create tension of any kind. Doesn't speak for positive attraction only

saturn conj the asc. I have this with an entire generation and I, the asc person, would always be able to run away

posted March 10, 2015 11:53 AM            

I don't find Pluto overrated, I feel Pluto very intensely even when it's just a sextile or trine. But maybe that's because of my natal, not really sure.

Asteroids are extremely overrated in synastry although I think Juno is important as a natal indicator.

I think composites are underrated... to me, they're the fate of a relationship and I often feel it right away.

posted March 10, 2015 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Moon-moon is waaaay underrated and should be given 10x the importance of sun sign compatibility in the general consciousness imo.

I don't find Pluto overrated, I feel Pluto very intensely even when it's just a sextile or trine. But maybe that's because of my natal, not really sure.

Asteroids are extremely overrated in synastry although I think Juno is important as a natal indicator.

I think composites are underrated... to me, they're the fate of a relationship and I often feel it right away.

Saturn is given immense importance and rightfully so.

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I will agree with Moon/Moon. There's been so many people in my life that everything started out swell with but when push came to shove, the emotional bond/needs were just too different. Even as I have gotten older, the realization of moons badly aspecting my own Cap moon won't even work for friendships.

posted March 10, 2015 04:41 PM            

All aspects can function on either a platonic level or a romantic level. Yes, there is a platonic version of Venus/Mars, Uranus/Venus, and so on. Most aspects will function on a platonic level unless they are 'activated' on a romantic level. Synastry gets activated on a romantic level when there are strong 5th, 7th, and 8th house connections between people. NOT just overlays. I mean house ruler aspects, symbolism matches, and secondary house connections as well. Oh yeah, and it works best when all three of the relationship houses are activated in some way (5th, 7th, and 8th). Occasionally two out of three will do the trick, but in these cases there always feels like there is something missing...

There's pretty much always 5th, 7th, and 8th house stuff going on in synastry if an attraction is present.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. A person with planets conjunct our Vertex or Antivertex can switch on attractions aspects as well (sometimes). Planets on the Equatorial Asc (East Point) or Equatorial Dsc (West Point) in synastry can also do this (sometimes). Same thing with a person with planets strongly influencing our Juno (again sometimes). And Eros/Psyche can seem to switch on a little romantic fascination when they aspect each other in synastry but it doesn’t go very deep without the houses stuff.

People who we have Sun/Moon aspects with touch us on a deep level, we’re moved by them, and may admire them… However, we won’t see them as the right partner for us without 5th, 7th, or 8th houses connections. Same thing with Venus/Mars aspects. We may admire their style or think they’re beautiful on an objective level, and enjoy being around them. But if they don’t connect with our love houses they still don’t seem like partner material to us. The 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are what make a person seem like a suitable partner to us beyond mere physical attraction, and emotional connection. These houses show different aspects of our ‘type’.

Attraction can be unrequited when one partner has their love houses strongly influenced while the other doesn’t have them influenced very strongly at all. This can result in uneven attraction, or lack of mutuality.

Also, I think whether an aspect operates on a platonic level or a romantic level can be a karma/fate thing. If we have Venus/Mars with someone who was only ever fated to be our doctor, we may simply appreciate how effective they are at helping us increase our energy levels (if we're Venus), or how they diplomatically handle our complaining about pain and calm us down (if we're the Mars person). There is no interplanetary aspect that guarantees romantic attraction.

posted March 10, 2015 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
Sometimes the Pluto ones can be overrated. Esp if you have a chart full of pluto in your natal. Also I've had uranus dw with people and most definitely did not fall in love at first sight. Mercury is what's underrated, imo.
You need that to communicate or the whole thing is kinda worthless.

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PLUTO is definitely a mixed-bag.

In my case, I think ALL of my PLUTO has to definitely be taken into account, including my Scorpio stellium. AND YET ... I can swear I feel his PLUTO conjunct my VENUS, even though it's a 9° orb and some change. No, no. I can feel it.

Why? That's somewhat specific to my chart.

My VENUS is the essence of my private personality, being the dispositor of my SUN, and tucked away in my 12H, in VIRGO. She's more than satisfied curling up and reading about far-off adventures rather than having her own. (A fact of which my sprightly 0° SAG MARS is none too fond!) It's tough to coax her into the world, as she finds no use for it. She's thoughtful, intellectual, and pragmatic to a fault. Besides -- she regularly corresponds with 3H MERC in Scorpio, who always has the most fascinating reports and analyses to proffer. (Oh, how she does love to analyse!)

Many have tried to pry my Rapunzel from her self-induced imprisonment in her cushy castle. A MARS, a MERCURY, a few SUNs -- even a JUPITER. Well, it was clear what MARS was after -- even in the half-light of the house. She didn't much appreciate his goading or insistence that her abstaining from both social and sexual involvement wasn't 'healthy'. And JUPITER, he was well-meaning, but they both knew he was cramped. The renovations and expansions he required were just more than she wanted. She likes the cosy nature of her house, you see. And MERCURY, well, bless him, but he just wouldn't shut up! She couldn't hear herself think! Even in the dark, ohhhh, the endless chatter. And those SUN visits remain the trickiest. So, well, illuminating. She thought she'd like it, but one was insistent upon bringing a VENUS in CANCER, who criticised her housekeeping and cooking, but in the nicest ways. She figured she'd like the woman, but she so bossy with her tales from the office. It became obvious to everyone that the SUN and CANCER VENUS were better off on their own together. The other, though solo, proved just as demanding -- but in the most underhanded and passive-aggressive way. She never quite knew where she and VIRGO SUN stood, and, eventually, he went along his quietly critical way, taking his light with him.

It had stayed rather quiet, really, and she was grateful for the peace. Until one day everything changed.

She awoke to a furious noise and her house flooding with light. You see, there were no walls anymore; she descended into a room that wasn't even quite a room, but a floor! There sat PLUTO in a dusty old chair, (really, she hadn't even known how old or dusty it was until that moment) idly massaging the dust between his fingers, his eyes unmoving upon her. 'This is URANUS, he said,' without breaking his gaze, neither smiling nor frowning. 'He's doing a bit of renovating.' (She would later learn that both PLUTO and URANUS were a powerful team from overseas; they'd gone to many foreign lands and brought all manner of change, it was said, especially in regards to order, wellbeing, and facilitation of improved productivity.) Here, however, they were in her home -- what remained of it.

'He hadn't asked me,' she argued.
'He asked me,' he replied. She took the fact no further words were spoken as an indication he felt them unnecessary. He was about economy and precision, after all. Looking away, she thought to address the obvious, though it was ever so frustrating to do so -- to be pushed to that point. PLUTO was, in a word, frustrating.

'You've taken down my walls.'

'Yes.' Again, it was all he said. Then, quite suddenly, he rose, approaching her with hand outstretched. 'Come outside.'

She recoiled; still wasn't fond of out there. But then, as unexpected as before, he smiled. 'The distinction has been made obsolete.' With that, she continued down the stairs, surveying the now strange expanse surrounding her from all sides; the distant glow of light rising in intensity as she went. Surrounded. She was surrounded.

'Take my hand.'

It scarcely seemed she had a choice. Slowly, cautiously, she placed her fingers against his own, taking the last few steps to the landing, and, finally, the floor.

Then, she was greeted by quite the sight.

In the distance, JUPITER was giving a lecture beneath the shade of a large tree. And, just outside her door, none other than MADHATTER having his iconic tea party. He was wildly engaged in conversation with PSYCHE; she was sharing her experiences with EROS, off travelling with MERCURY, DESTINN, and LEWISCARROLL. (All at DESTINN's urging, who felt it was everyone's destiny.) MADHATTER smiled at the mention of LEWISCARROLL, and offered the lovely PSYCHE his greatest sympathies on her love affair with EROS.

'I don't understand,' she admitted, turning to PLUTO. He simply waved it off.

'Just enjoy yourself. He's a bit ... off.'

It wasn't a moment later that PSYCHE took note of VENUS, eager for the addition. 'Come and dine with us,' she said, though MADHATTER would both argue there was and wasn't food; none could say for sure what was true.

VENUS turned to PLUTO, who graciously said he wouldn't leave her side -- as long as she promised to strive to continue the transformation he had begun. A bit spellbound, she couldn't help but agree. She had read of such stories in the many books she had, but never had she thought such a thing might ever be true.

But as she sat with PLUTO, URANUS, MADHATTER, and PSYCHE, she realised that the transformation would be worth it.

The Beginning

posted March 10, 2015 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LexusVirgo:
I know this is about synastry. But I got venus square pluto in my own chart. My venus conjuncts my ascendnant and the pluto making me like dark clothing. But I noticed this is a generational aspect ... Anyone else have that problem with generational aspects and their generation?

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Could be a parallel. I have a lot of 'charisma' in this area, too. PLUTO is tightly parallel my ASC, but also conjunct my SUN (with BML) 2º.

Tough to say, as everyone's chart is different. You may be expressing it differently, given the individual aspects to PLUTO, and the ASC.

posted March 11, 2015 07:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
cookbook interpretations.

However I am more concerned with what is underrated, and I think that is true for the luminaries especially along with the angles, which are the most individual points in a chart (because they are most specific to a certain MOMENT in time, your birthmoment, and not even the whole day).

As for asteroids they are very interesting illuminating specific issues, but of course ONLY on the background of the present basic configurations.

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Out of the cookbook stuff, the idea that hard aspects are bad (especially squares) and soft aspects are good, conjunctions are good, oppositions are bad. Reading aspects by keyword: squares means squaring, opposition means someone opposing you, an opponent lol This one should be banned

I agree with Lotis, aspects are glues depending on each chart. In my parents' synastry, a "difficult" aspect such as Saturn opp Neptune becomes a glue.

However, I believe direct overlays in 5th 7th 8th are overrated too, they don't come up all three in long-term couples, usually one is enough BUT there are significant ruler aspects and indirect, customized love houses.
I'm not sure about the 5th yet, but 7th and 8th are not always romance related. 7th is not just marriage and the 8th is not just sex and people come and ask: we have a direct overlay in the 7th, why aren't we married? 7th is a good omen for a partnership, but without anything else, this overlay could even lead to unrequited love, if the other isn't equally touched. Looking at charts and saying oh you have your planets in his 7th and 8th or 5th, he's the one, is a false path, if we take into account many real life examples.

Asteroids refine the theme, but we must establish the theme of the synastry first, how strong the connection is and of what kind.

In the end, everything is important, if we look at it from the right perspective, which is blending the description of archetypes (cookbook) with the PERSONALIZATION of the synastry - this is the crucial thing, IMO.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted March 11, 2015 07:49 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
, which is blending the description of archetypes (cookbook) with the PERSONALIZATION of the synastry - this is the crucial thing, IMO.

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