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Lotis White
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posted April 12, 2013 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, lately I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the Quincunx aspect.

(I'm getting to the Nerdy or Charismatic part later, but first I cover the basics of this aspect.)

Personally, I have a tight quincunx (less then one degree) involving Venus and the Moon. My Moon is at 29 Cancer and my Venus is at 29 Sagittarius... They can be stressful aspects.

Do I want Cancerian safety and security, or Sagittarian freedom and adventure? Maybe I want both. But can I have my cake and eat it too? Quincunxes often create internal paradoxes in people, as two or more seemingly mismatched parts of your psychology compete for attention. People with quincunxes throughout their lives have to learn how to manage these to oddly matched parts of themselves, so that somehow both are able to be suitably expressed.

Quincunx aspects have to do with feeling like two parts of yourself don't mix well. With my Sag Venus quincunx my Cancer Moon, sometimes my highly attuned emotional reactions to things make hard for me to just relax and socialize. Sometimes, I feel embarrassed and uncomfortable with my own intense emotional reaction to things, especially if this starts to happen in a situation where I should be light and breezy.

Some Sagittarius/Cancer paradox type scenarios might be: (These are just examples and are sort of cartoonish and exaggerated. Not necessarily stuff that’s happened to me. Hope you get the idea) A Sag/Cancer person goes on exciting year-long trip around the world, but then cries half the time due to intense home-sickness. Or, a Sag/Cancer person stays home-bound to care for needy relatives, but has a hard time concentrating on any of their duties, because they’re always dreaming about far-off places. A Sag/Cancer person starts climbing a mountain full of excitement, and half-way up has a panic attack when they look down!

Quincunxes are not melodramatic and intense like the other hard aspects (squares and oppositions). Rather they involve this niggling feeling of irritation, like there’s an awkwardness or mismatch in your nature.

I’d say the quincunx is closer to being a hard aspect then a soft one, only this aspect is a lot more subtle then the traditional hard aspects. It operates more below the surface of things. The Quincunx is kind of a sneaky, insidious aspect, that has to do with weird vibes, and mild physiological, and psychological irritants.

Like the other traditional hard aspects they do force you to work on change and improvement… The key word for Quincunxes is ADJUSTMENT!

Some other good choices for key words might be PARADOX, DILEMA, JUXTPOSTION, INCONGRUANCY, and REARRANGEMENT

People who have expertise on any particular subject are often those that have squares, oppositions, and quincunxes spurring them on in pursuit of their goals, and deeper understanding. Quincunxes, like the traditional hard aspects, make great motivators.

Quincunx people often feel like they don’t fit right, and so they are inspired to try alternative approaches to things…

For this reason, I think quincunxes are far from being a hopeless problem in our lives.

As said before, the key word for quincunxes is 'Adjustment'. Throughout our life experiences people with quincunxes learn how to adjust and modify their behavior to fit various situations. We also often become quite expert on the different life-areas associated with our natal quincunxes. This is because we go thorough so many different types of experiences where we are required to adjust our ways of doing things with regard to our natal quincunx placements. In the natural zodiac the two quincunx signs are Virgo and Scorpio (they quincunx Aries). Through repeated trial and error, people with quincunxes develop a sophisticated understanding of various practical processes (Virgo), and psychological issues (Scorpio). Quincunxes inspire people to look below the surface of what’s really going on so that they can understand what’s causing their inner discomfort, or awkwardness. Then they set about investigating these issues and perfecting their method of response to them…. Quincunx aspects work like a combo of Virgo and Scorpio in this way.

It’s interesting to note that quincunxes are often associated with health issues that need to be adjusted, and weird psychological tension (like awkward sexual attraction, or dealing with unwanted resentment to, or from, others). Quincunx people like to figure all this type of stuff out so that they can deal with it better next time. We constantly seek to understand and improve ourselves, and are talented at investigation and solving mysteries. So even though quincunxes can suck when they make us feel uncomfortable, they are also like a gift… They allow us to develop true depth of understanding, and real talent.

Over time, I’ve noticed that aspects seem to take on the characteristics of the signs the occur in, in the natural zodiac. As mentioned above, the signs associated with the Quincunx in the natural order of the zodiac are VIRGO and SCORPIO… These two signs make great metaphors for how this aspect operates.

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THE VIRGO PART OF THE QUINCUNX

The ‘Virgo’ part of the quincunx refers to how this aspect is innately uncomfortable to start with. Quincunxes can be used to pin-point which parts of our physical and psychological systems are not working well together. A quincunxes inspire us to constantly move things around, rearrange circumstances, re-negotiate terms, and adjust our affairs, in the areas of life related to this aspect. By constantly modifying our methods with regard to our quincunxing planets (life areas), we are able to find the best solutions to our inner contradictions.

The quincunx allows us to take a critical, honest appraisal of things. It enables us to identify that which is not working well in our situation, and what is counter productive to our aims. It then helps us, through an investigative process of trial and error, to work on figuring out the best remedy to the discomfort in our lives. Or at least how to adapt to this discomfort, without letting it impede our chosen path too much. Quincunxes cause us to constantly work towards perfection, and self-improvement, in our strategies for coping with the daily realities of life.

As you would expect, the ’Virgo’ part of the quincunx also has to do with health issues. Things not working well within our bodies can be a major source of discomfort, and sometimes even the cause embarrassment or shame. Quincunxes tend to refer to health problems that, while irritating and inconvenient, are not life threatening. Like having a skin problem, or digestive issues that cause gas. These are not serious. But most people would do everything in their power to ‘fix’ the problem. Quincunxes work like this. They are niggling malfunctions that may be embarrassing, or uncomfortable, to the extent that we can’t stand to ignore it anymore. So we experiment with different face creams and acne treatments, for the skin problem. And start taking digestives enzymes, and doing yoga to improve our digestion. Quincunx people often explore a variety of health remedy methods before they find the right fit, and become quite advanced at understanding their particular issues.

This experimental side of the quincunx can be quite innovative and creative. Quincunx people often have a knack for discovering unique methods, remedies, and cures, for various different body issues that they may have experienced. They may combine a number of different things they have tried together in unusual ways, and come up with something totally revolutionary.

THE SCORPIO PART OF THE QUINCUNX

The ‘Scorpio’ part of the quincunx inclines quincunx people to be supersensitive to undertones, and weird vibes in situations (both positive and negative). They can sense it if someone has inappropriate intensions, or if something is a bit ’off’ about a particular scenario. It’s as if these people have some type of inbuilt radar system that probes their environment, identify the forces operating just below the surface of all the interactions that occur in their daily lives. Due to their sensitivity, quincunx people can attract awkward vibes from others. Picking up on all the hidden dynamics involved various life situations in life can sometimes put quincunx people in uncomfortable interpersonal situations, where they are uncertain of how to react, or are not sure what is the best course of action to take.

Conversely, perhaps the quincunx person is uncomfortable about themselves for some reason. They may worry that parts of their own psychology are ‘inappropriate’, embarrassingly unusual, or too intense. They may feel that the average person couldn’t handle the full extent of their intense natures. For this reason, quincunx people may try to control or contain certain parts of their psychology, so that they don’t overwhelm others. In their heart of hearts, quincunx people fear that having their issues exposed will result in ridicule and rejection. Learning to be vulnerable and open about our concerns, is a challenge for quincunx people.

As mentioned before, the quincunx is something of a ‘sneaky’ aspect. People with quincunxes often make their observations privately within the confines of their own minds. They’d rather covertly analyze things for themselves, before revealing or admitting this information to others. The astute nature of quincunx people means that they can identify issues, and discover truths, that other people could find disturbing. This can relate to taboo topics, and to sticky issues people would rather not admit to feeling awkward about. Because of this, quincunx people tend to be careful how much of their observations, and conclusions, they are willing to confide to others.

In a sense, the ‘Scorpio’ part of the quincunx does have an obsessive component to it. Quincunxes show where an intense amount of focus is directed towards figuring out the true inner dynamics of things. This is where the investigative qualities of Scorpio figure into the quincunx. Quincunx people can be like a ‘dog with bone’ when working to understand certain issues. They won’t give up until they have identified the root cause of an problem, and figured out ways to solve, or at least manage it. The life-areas related to the natal quincunx will be examined from every possible angle, until the nature of the dissonance surrounding the situation is fully understood. The awkwardness and discomfort associated with quincunxes serves as a motivator to develop real depth of insight into the world around us.

Things such as figuring out mysteries, understanding what makes people tick, exploring the true motivations behind things, and getting to the bottom of issues, are natural talents for quincunx people.

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posted April 12, 2013 03:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
QUINCUNXES ARE BOTH GOOD AND BAD…

The WORST parts of this aspect are feelings of shame or embarrassment about not fitting right in some way, or that you don‘t make sense in terms of the conventional view on things… This can be a very painful and lonely feeling. Before these people have leaned to deal with their natal quincunxes, they may feel lame or ineffectual in the area of life related to the quincunx. Some examples might be…. Not fitting in socially (quincunx to 11th house ruler)…Not being good with money when all your friends are, or being unhappy with your body (quincunx to the 2nd house ruler)… Feeling like the odd one out in your family (quincunx to the 4th house ruler)… And the list goes on.

The BEST parts of the quincunx aspect are the transformations that occur as a result of the work and adjustment that this aspect generates. And the amount of learning, wisdom and growth that goes with it… People with quincunxes often have a sophisticated understanding of the areas of life connected with their natal quincunx aspect. This is because they have often looked at these issues from EVERY possible angle and investigated and experimented with various different ways of dealing with these issues in their daily lives. There is nothing like a weird uncomfortable feeling to inspire you to figure things out, and make changes. The wealth of knowledge and understanding gained from this is the ultimate boon to be received from the quincunx.

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(Here it is)

QUINCUNXES IN SYNASTRY AND THE NATAL: NERDY OR CHARISMATIC?

Alright, as I’ve mentioned before, the quincunx aspect is associated with two signs: Virgo and Scorpio. These signs seem to be associated with the two different facets of this aspect: Nerdy and awkward (Virgo. But don’t get me wrong, there are some hot Virgo’s out there. This is purely an abstract analogy). Or sexy and charismatic (Scorpio. No explanation necessary.).

These are two distinct personality profiles, and oddly most people with natal quincunxes embody both to some extent. Of course some will embody one side more then the other! I’ll outline what I mean by quincunx ‘nerdy’ or ‘charismatic’ below.

THE NERDY QUINCUNX: (I’m taking on the persona of a high school ‘mean girl’ for this segment)

Stereotypical popular high school student scoffs at her Quincunx class-mate, and starts talking…

“You know that person that doesn’t seem to fit in right? They speak too loudly or too quietly. They dress funny by conventional standards. They have a tendency to make unpopular observations, or remarks that somehow just don’t seem appropriate. The get all uptight and awkward at just the wrong time, and ruin what could have been a perfectly cordial situation. They might suddenly go silent when they ‘should’ be talking. Conversely, they may address the ‘Elephant In The Room’ when really they should just shut up! Now everyone feels uncomfortable…

They have a certain unique way that they always do things, and it doesn’t mix well with the way that most other people prefer to do things. People may remark on this, or even tease this person because of it. This person are weird, uptight, and awkward. Annoying even. Why are they so contrary and difficult? Just relax and be normal for goodness sake! This person just doesn’t act the way they’re supposed to. It’s like they’re a clueless dork who just doesn’t understand socially appropriate behavior. Sometimes they have some interesting ideas though, and they do strange things which makes people laugh (accidentally or on purpose). See, they stand out too much for all the wrong reasons. They’re almost as bad as Steve Urkel!”

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I hope that wasn’t too harsh. Most people who have quincunxes gone through at least a couple of experiences where they feel like the weirdest, most inappropriate person in the room. Or where they have accidentally put people off without meaning too. Uuuuuggggghhhhh! Damn those awkward quincunxes.

One reason the Virgo side of the quincunx is awkward is that Virgo energy has a tendency to make honest observations about things that have little regard for ‘social propriety’. Think about it, Virgo is the sign just before Libra, before the stage where we are preoccupied with harmony and relating. Virgo is more interested in getting things ‘right’ then in getting along with others. This is why sometimes quincunxes can be annoying. They are often hyper-aware of side-details when they should be focusing on relating. They may make remarks that are socially uncomfortable, or go silent in contemplation at the wrong moments. Quincunxes tend to do things in their own unique way that doesn’t fit with the accepted mode of operation that most people use. Others are often perplexed by this.

Quincunxes can operate pretty much the same way in synastry too. You may not get why the other person acts the way they do, and they have tendency to make you uncomfortable. There can be a sort of niggling tension between the planets that are in quincunx by aspect. These two people have to make accommodations for their differing methods of doing things. There’d be a lot of maneuvering and rearranging with regard to the two planets in quincunx.

THE CHARISMATIC QUINCUNX: (This time I’m a cheesy romance novelist)

Cheesy novelist remembers her last big crush on a quincunx person, and starts writing…

“You know that person that’s just utterly fascinating for some reason, but you just can’t pinpoint exactly what it is. They’ve got this ‘X’ factor about them. An enigmatic charisma. It’s as if they’ve got something interesting and exciting hidden just below the surface. Like they have a secret side they’re not letting on about. It makes you wonder what they’re really thinking and feeling. They have all this pent-up tension emanating from them… It’s intoxicating. Sexy actually. This is embarrassing but I think I might be obsessed. It’s like they’re a mystery I’m dying to figure out… They just seem to go there own way, regardless of what other people are doing. I can tell that they might be a complicated person, but compulsively I’m unable to resist the challenge of finding out who they really are.

I’m not just interested because of the ‘mysterious’ thing they’ve got going on either… I sense there’s some type of inner pain or vulnerability that this person has. That’s why they’re keeping a part of themselves separate from others. Whatever past trauma they have is causing them to tread carefully, even though the tension between us is sizzling. I’ll bet that underneath their defenses is someone who just craves tenderness…

This person is a lot more perceptive then they let on too. They know exactly what’s going on between us. They just won’t admit it yet. It’s little things that they say and do that tip me off. I think they’re curious about me as well. They ask random questions here and there, and pay attention to things I do. I think I’m being investigated! They’re totally vibing me out.”

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Quincunxes have an intriguing, magnetic, charismatic side as much as they have an awkward side. I think most people with quincunxes have also been through at least a couple experiences where they were to object of someone else’s fascination. Quincunx people can be such contradictions. They inspire curiosity from those that like to figure people out. Most can sense there’s a hidden depth to a quincunx person, which is not being completely revealed. In terms of charisma, quincunxes have a haunting, captivating, beguiling, smoldering type quality. The Scorpio side of the quincunx is strongly associated with sensual undercurrents. Otherwise known as sexual-tension.

Scorpio is the sign after Libra, and is able to look past all the social niceties that occur in daily interactions to see the true motivations of people. The Scorpio side of the Quincunx aspect functions much like this. Quincunx people pick up on all the different vibes that others around them emit, on a daily basis. And due to their hyper-sensitivity in certain area’s of life, quincunx people try to contain and control certain parts of themselves which the fear my be too intense, or unusual, for others to handle. Yet, these people are so shrewd. When it comes to interpersonal dynamics, these people notice everything.

Synastry involving quincunxes can take on a similar vibe to the paragraph above. When this aspect is present in the synastry, the people involved may feel somewhat uncomfortable with the intensity of their own attraction/feelings for one another. Yet, despite a slightly uncomfortable feeling, there’s immense fascination and curiosity in the relationship… And a tendency to want to 'dig deeper' with that person. The two people involved will subtly ‘vibe’ each other out, creating a frustrating kind of tension… It’s hard to be direct with each other, as each partner is trying to figure out what the other one is up to first.

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posted April 12, 2013 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
QUINCUNXES CAN BE FUNNY ‘WEIRD’ OR FUNNY ‘HA HA’!

When I say quincunxes are like an uncomfortable mismatch, think of it like this… A clown cracking jokes wouldn’t fit in right at a funeral, and turning up at a wedding dressed like a Goth, looking all depressed, would probably turn you into a social misfit... Same thing with bursting into tears during a job interview, or showing up at a fast food restaurant dressed like you’re going to the prom.

Quincunxes have a tendency to make us feel like parts of our psychology are inappropriate and therefore kind of embarrassing. Shame and discomfort can be common problems with quincunxes, especially when very young. Think ‘Awkward Teenager’ syndrome. Part of a quincunx person’s lesson in life is to learn how to RELAX!

Of course, right after a difficult incident has occurred, it's hard to laugh about it at first. But over time, quincunx people benefit from developing a naturally humorous outlook. Working hard on investigating our problems, and on smoothly adapting to different life situations, is good and part of our quincunx mission… But sometimes quincunx people also just need to relax, and laugh about the absurdity of life! We need to cultivate just letting ourselves 'be', and not getting so tense and wound-up all the time.

Having a healthy sense of humor can really help quincunx people unwind. Previously, I’ve heard that quincunxes are actually associated with humor. And this makes total sense! Quincunxes are all about strange combinations… When it comes to humor, the stuff that’s often perceived as funny is stuff like: The stupid awkward situations that we go through in life, oddly-matched people interacting, and mixing together scenarios that don't seem to make any sense... An example of this? The classic bearded old muscle man dancing around in a ballerina’s tutu! When we see ridiculously mismatched things, it's our first instinct to laugh.

Laughter is natures cure for awkwardness. This is why quincunx people can be funny. Especially if they’ve started to get and handle on their natal quincunx, and have developed a more or less healthy attitude towards it. Quincunx people have a tendency to say, or do, weird and unexpected (mismatching) things… Whether it’s on purpose, and not on purpose. And sometimes the result is hilarious! A trick to being funny is in being able to turn your personal awkward experiences into humor, and in being able to laugh at the dumb, silly, and embarrassing things that happen to us throughout our lives.

So depending on the planets involved, a quincunx in the natal can incline one to develop a healthy sense of humor about human foibles. Especially if other parts of the chart demonstrate some type of performance talent. The likelihood of this is increased by supportive trines and sextiles elsewhere in the chart. Anyone remember that sitcom ‘Friends’. The ‘Chandler Bing’ character to me, is the perfect example of a quincunx aspect turned into humor. He seemed like the type of person who was awkwardly embarrassed by himself, and so he turned it into a joke. Modern comedies are littered with characters like this, where the basic theme is “My life is humiliating, and so I laugh!”.

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I do find them CONFUSING! Saturn is the planet that bears the brunt of the quincunx burden in my chart. It's one of those aspects I don't know what to do with, exactly. I know Taurus doesn't want to mesh with Libra and Libra doesn't with Taurus, either, but how do I apply it to my life, especially with a planet like Saturn? I just see it as meaning Saturn will deny me what is promised by the Libra ascendant, Mercury and Jupiter, while Libra will deny me what is promised by Saturn in Taurus. It's just gloom all around, looks like. No fun times since they are both Venus ruled signs. Better start wearing my sullen expression. Maybe these are aspects associated with depression along with Venus square Saturn because there's lots of depression in my life and it has always dogged me and since Mercury and Venus are involved, along with Jupiter, planet of happiness and optimism? Venus is the planet of a well balanced disposition also.

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posted April 12, 2013 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ I need a good cup of coffee, sit with my legs up and read this at leisure when I get home


Quincunxes are inconjuncts right? I have loads of quincunxes in my chart that involved almost all my personal planets. I feel my life has been a ride of adjustments and adjustments, but I believe the more I adjusted the more I finally get what I wanted..

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So I wanna hear from others out there that have natal quincunxes, or who knows someone that does. Do you feel your quincunx is more Scorpio or Virgo? Is it a bit of both? How do you relate to the descriptions above?

Same thing with people involved in relationships that have strong quincunx synastry. How do you feel this energy in the relationship? Do you feel it’s more Virgo or Scorpio in quality? Or some combo of both?

Please let me know.

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Speaking about the natal chart, it seems like it would be the Virgo part of the quincunx since they involve the ascendant but there's Mercury in conjunction with Jupiter and that's more psychological so I would go with a combination of both, trying to improve physically by working out, watching what I eat, and psychologically by keeping from dwelling on sorrow and morbid thoughts since the twelfth house has a say in these aspects. Saturn is in the eighth house, and that IS the traditional house of Scorpio so I don't see how it cannot be Scorpio related on some level.

These aspects from Saturn to the Libra ascendant/Mercury/Jupiter, I suspect, have a profound effect on my mind and can take me to the depths of utter despair unless I watch it and remain aware of what I am dwelling on. I try not to go there with Saturn. Libra can be unbalanced and it's especially bad with Saturn since it's exalted in this sign and it's in harsh aspect to the ruler, planets and the ascendant. How much more agonizing can it be?

One thing for sure, I definitely do not fit in so maybe these quincunxes have something to do with it?

I have a dark, offbeat sense of humor. I know I have felt the punch of the Mercury/Saturn quincunx many times and others have felt it's punchline.

There's so many aspects in my chart, it's not easy always sorting out what parts of my life go where. It's hard to tell which parts belong to the quincunxes, to Venus square Saturn and sun trine Saturn. There's just too much Saturn. I think Saturn tried to make a power play that day.

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
So I wanna hear from others out there that have natal quincunxes, or who knows someone that does. Do you feel your quincunx is more Scorpio or Virgo? Is it a bit of both? How do you relate to the descriptions above?

Please let me know.


First of all let me tell you about my quincunxes.

moon quincunx sun exact
Mars quincunx mercury exact
Mars quincunx venus -1 degree
Mars quincunx pluto -1 degree
Pluto quincunx NN exact

I have a virgo mars,a libra pluto.

I relate to them both that is : Virgo and Scorpio.

''The ‘Virgo’ part of the quincunx refers to how this aspect is innately uncomfortable to start with. Quincunxes can be used to pin-point which parts of our physical and psychological systems are not working well together. A quincunxes inspire us to constantly move things around, rearrange circumstances, re-negotiate terms, and adjust our affairs, in the areas of life related to this aspect. By constantly modifying our methods with regard to our quincunxing planets (life areas), we are able to find the best solutions to our inner contradictions''

Very true. I've found myself in many circumstances where I have to reassess a situation, reevaluate a whole scenario and think about how my reaction SHOULD be like so that I can get the best out of it,so that I get what I want in the end. I can shuffle a situation endlessly in my mind and test various reactions to each scenario.

''The quincunx allows us to take a critical, honest appraisal of things. It enables us to identify that which is not working well in our situation, and what is counter productive to our aims. It then helps us, through an investigative process of trial and error, to work on figuring out the best remedy to the discomfort in our lives. Or at least how to adapt to this discomfort, without letting it impede our chosen path too much. Quincunxes cause us to constantly work towards perfection, and self-improvement, in our strategies for coping with the daily realities of life.''

I relate to this totally.

''As you would expect, the ’Virgo’ part of the quincunx also has to do with health issues''

True as far as I'm concerned. Not major health issues, but health related discomforts whereby my body is sending me signals to let me know that I'm uncomfortable or stressed about a situation. At times I'm not even aware that a situation is bothering me, because I'll be the same jovial, easy going type of person but when I see a certain health related discomfort cropping up I know something is bothering me.

''The ‘Scorpio’ part of the quincunx inclines quincunx people to be supersensitive to undertones, and weird vibes in situations (both positive and negative). They can sense it if someone has inappropriate intensions, or if something is a bit ’off’ about a particular scenario. It’s as if these people have some type of inbuilt radar system that probes their environment, identify the forces operating just below the surface of all the interactions that occur in their daily lives. Due to their sensitivity, quincunx people can attract awkward vibes from others. Picking up on all the hidden dynamics involved various life situations in life can sometimes put quincunx people in uncomfortable interpersonal situations, where they are uncertain of how to react, or are not sure what is the best course of action to take''

''They may feel that the average person couldn’t handle the full extent of their intense natures.''

'' People with quincunxes often make their observations privately within the confines of their own minds. They’d rather covertly analyze things for themselves, before revealing or admitting this information to others. The astute nature of quincunx people means that they can identify issues, and discover truths, that other people could find disturbing. This can relate to taboo topics, and to sticky issues people would rather not admit to feeling awkward about. Because of this, quincunx people tend to be careful how much of their observations, and conclusions, they are willing to confide to others.''

''In a sense, the ‘Scorpio’ part of the quincunx does have an obsessive component to it. Quincunxes show where an intense amount of focus is directed towards figuring out the true inner dynamics of things. This is where the investigative qualities of Scorpio figure into the quincunx. Quincunx people can be like a ‘dog with bone’ when working to understand certain issues. They won’t give up until they have identified the root cause of an problem, and figured out ways to solve, or at least manage it. The life-areas related to the natal quincunx will be examined from every possible angle, until the nature of the dissonance surrounding the situation is fully understood. The awkwardness and discomfort associated with quincunxes serves as a motivator to develop real depth of insight into the world around us.''


OMG.


TRUE!TRUE!TRUE!

That's all am going to say

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I do have a ridiculously special kind of sense of humor that I show to people with whom am comfortable enough to have a rapport. I sometimes turn my unlucky streaks into 'one hilarious thing that happened to me'.

I think, in addition to what you said, quincunx people, when and if they have well integrated the aspects into their personality, are more than ready to move past failures/disappointments/shortfalls. They are ready to take on the 'next assignment' life will throw at them so to speak. I know I do tend to linger on my past disappointments only to reevaluate my behavior at that time

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posted April 12, 2013 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Puh-leaseeeee don't take offense to this, but you wrote alot lol. I did take the time to do a light skim so I'll reply to the bits I did read.

I'm confused as to where you're deriving your comments about Virgo and Scorpio being associated with the quincunx from; can you provide text or a link? This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone assigning signs to the quincunx.

The quincunx is a (minor) hard aspect. Aspects in general indicate ease or conflict in certain areas, and that's it - they won't tell you whether or not that person chooses to work on and develop themselves, and how far they'll go - that's beyond the scope of astrology and ultimately up to free will. To say that hard aspects mean someone is automatically more expert in something as opposed to someone with a chart full of trines is a bit misleading when you take that into account.

Again, the aspects strictly denote whether or not a person will have ease or conflict in certain areas. It won't tell you what that person will or won't do with those in the end. Plenty of people have things that they are naturally suited to and good at and do take the time to develop themselves in those areas further and become even better at them. Michael Jackson was a natural dancer/singer and didn't rest of his laurels - he still worked like crazy at improving on what was already an innate gift. And yes, there are some who have lots of trines and don't bother using them and developing to their fullest capacity. But there are also those who have a chart full of hard aspects who throw their hands up in frustration and give up and don't develop themselves either in those areas because everything comes so hard to them...and then there are those with charts full of hard aspects who don't let it stop them and do manage to make something out of themselves even though the entire journey is like walking up a steep hill.

Admittedly the "nerdy" or "charismatic" labels you assign to the major and minor aspects, confuses me a good deal also because it's assigning personal value judgments and human traits to a particular aspect type, which I've never seen done before and doesn't really hold up from an astrological standpoint. Certain planets, like Neptune or Pluto, placed in certain areas of the chart or in aspect to certain other planets, can give the native charisma, absolutely. But I've never read any astrology book that referred to a quincunx, in and of itself, as meaning a "nerd" or a "high school cheerleader". It strictly denotes an area of difficulty, with no personality labels or character judgments assigned to it.

Besides, I've always thought it was a little silly to think, in general, that people are really that one-dimensional that they can be assigned to a bin like that - "Oh, this person is a nerd", "This person is a homecoming queen." Honestly most people are more complicated than that and have a bit of the "nerd", "jock", "homecoming queen/king" and "emo" kid in them, all at once.

For what it's worth - I don't have a horse in that race. I wasn't a popular kid; to be accurate, I probably wasn't even a nerd, either. I was the kid who had no friends and didn't talk and everybody at school sh@t on me. Do I resent them for it or hold it against them? No. Like Stephen King pointed out in the book "Carrie" : "We were all kids." They were just doing the best they knew how and didn't know their heads from their arses either; I hold no ill will against anyone I went to school with whatsoever. All that aside, I do understand and appreciate that you put a lot of time and effort and thought into your post but your post genuinely confused me, and I've never seen any astrological support for any of the theories put forth in the initial post.

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posted April 12, 2013 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
''One reason the Virgo side of the quincunx is awkward is that Virgo energy has a tendency to make honest observations about things that have little regard for ‘social propriety’. Think about it, Virgo is the sign just before Libra, before the stage where we are preoccupied with harmony and relating. Virgo is more interested in getting things ‘right’ then in getting along with others. This is why sometimes quincunxes can be annoying. They are often hyper-aware of side-details when they should be focusing on relating. They may make remarks that are socially uncomfortable, or go silent in contemplation at the wrong moments. Quincunxes tend to do things in their own unique way that doesn’t fit with the accepted mode of operation that most people use. Others are often perplexed by this.''


LOL. Also true...for me...

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posted April 12, 2013 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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''But I've never read any astrology book that referred to a quincunx, in and of itself, as meaning a "nerd" or a "high school cheerleader". It strictly denotes an area of difficulty, with no personality labels or character judgments assigned to it.''

I didn't read the description put forth by Lotis as a label or character judgment.

Sorry, but my quincunxes are not areas of difficulty in the real sense of the word. It's less of a difficulty more of an asset ( at least how I view them) as much as I want to consider them an asset, it's an asset that creates friction in my personality,a persisting,insidious,sub level kinda of friction that am motivated to understand and use for my betterment. But at first when the frictions were allowed ( or found ways) to surface they created an uncomfortable feeling that made me feel weird,out of place,the misfit, just like Lotis said.That's the time of my life when I couldn't quite put my finger on what was really bothering me, on why I wasn't fitting in. Having Saturn and my sun opposing my ascendant,also being cap rising, I had a real tough time figuring things out when I was at school....yeah I was labelled the 'nerd' Still am btw, except now am BOTH the 'nerd' and the 'charismatic' I get comments at times from people telling me that I must have been really popular when I was at school,that I must have been a cheerleader. LOL. It makes me smile inwardly because if they knew me back then they would never have guessed it's the same person standing infront of them!

Anyways, I deeply enjoyed reading what Lotis obviously took time to share with us.I relate to a good part of it.I was amazed by the accuracy of the things she said,there are some things that hit me spot on There is so little on quincunxes out there on the net, it's very interesting indeed to read about them being something more than ''an adjustment''

Just because no astrology books have had a similar take on quincunxes doesn't necessarily mean these descriptions have no reason to be true.Like I said I relate to most of the stuff said.I'm looking forward to read about what other people here who have natal quincunxes have to say.

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posted April 12, 2013 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a response to snorkel, and an explanation to everybody else as well.

There is an astrological theory that aspects to take on the characteristics of the signs the occur in, in the natural zodiac. Over time I’ve noticed that this is true. I’m not going to dig up a reference for this but there’s plenty of material out there… A lot of astrologers also use numerology to describe the character of aspects… The number used to divide the zodiac to get the aspect is said to describe it’s quality. Here, I’m using the signs aspects occur in, in the natural zodiac, as a way to decipher it’s character.

Zero degrees of Aries makes quincunxes to zero degrees of Virgo, and zero degrees of Scorpio in the natural zodiac.

For this reason, in the natural zodiac the two quincunx signs are Virgo and Scorpio (because they quincunx Aries). Through repeated trial and error, people with quincunxes develop a sophisticated understanding of various practical processes (Virgo), and psychological issues (Scorpio). Quincunx aspects work like a combo of Virgo and Scorpio in this way.

Every quincunx has a Virgo side and a Scorpio side if you count forward through the zodiac. In a quincunx aspect the first planet will be six signs ahead of the second planet (Virgo is the sixth sign of the zodiac) . While the second planet will be eight signs ahead of the first planet (Scorpio is the eighth sign of the zodiac). Or vice versa… But there will be a combo of six and eight in the number of signs between planets.

My Venus is in Sagittarius is six signs ahead of my Moon in Cancer. My Moon in Cancer is eight signs ahead of my Sagittarius Venus. They quincunx by degree.

The quincunx is more of a hard aspect.

My perspective is that hard aspects are dynamic, and generate drama, and change. While soft aspects are consistent, and generate stability, and smooth flow.

Hard aspects are stronger motivators for change and growth then soft aspects. This doesn’t mean that people with only soft aspects can’t be ‘successful’. Of course they can. But people with hard aspects are forced to overcome more challenges, and in this life-time have more energy pushing them forward.

About the use of the ‘Mean Girl’, ‘Nerd’, ‘Charismatic Love Interest‘, and the ‘Cheesy Romance Novelist’ characters… These are only analogies. Please don’t take them literally.

STEREOTYPES are easily recognizable concepts that help make it easier to understand a message. Of course I don’t truly believe that everyone out there with a quincunx is a major ‘Nerd‘, nor are they all irresistible to everybody. I have a prominent quincunx myself so I’m well aware of that. The point I was trying to make is that quincunx can be both awkward and charismatic in different ways. A quincunx has two sides. The ‘Nerd’ and ‘Charismatic Love Interest’ were merely concepts used to illustrate this. You know, like in a comedy skit. I was only half serious when I wrote these.

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Lotiswhite,

the most elaborate, practical in depth discussion of the quinkunx I`ve ever read!

Personally the most exact quinkunx in my chart is:

Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house quinkunx Saturn in Cancer in 8th house
(Moon rules 8th, Saturn rules 2nd).

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posted April 12, 2013 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i was also wondering if maybe a waxing quinkunx was relating more to the "virgoan / 6th house" stereotype and a waning quinkunx with the "Scorpian/ 8th house" stereotype.
We tend to not differentiate between those, but lately I find myself more interested int he phasal relationship of the aspects themselves.
The different phases of aspects also make for different aspects in composite, so I thought they might be important.

EDIT:
the quinkunx between my Moon and Saturn is waning, in the Scorpio-phase.
(the phasal relationships are counted from slower planet to faster moving).

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posted April 12, 2013 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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''But I've never read any astrology book that referred to a quincunx, in and of itself, as meaning a "nerd" or a "high school cheerleader". It strictly denotes an area of difficulty, with no personality labels or character judgments assigned to it.''

I didn't read the description put forth by Lotis as a label or character judgment.

Sorry, but my quincunxes are not areas of difficulty in the real sense of the word. It's less of a difficulty more of an asset ( at least how I view them) as much as I want to consider them an asset, it's an asset that creates friction in my personality,a persisting,insidious,sub level kinda of friction that am motivated to understand and use for my betterment. But at first when the frictions were allowed ( or found ways) to surface they created an uncomfortable feeling that made me feel weird,out of place,the misfit, just like Lotis said.That's the time of my life when I couldn't quite put my finger on what was really bothering me, on why I wasn't fitting in. Having Saturn and my sun opposing my ascendant,also being cap rising, I had a real tough time figuring things out when I was at school....yeah I was labelled the 'nerd' Still am btw, except now am BOTH the 'nerd' and the 'charismatic' I get comments at times from people telling me that I must have been really popular when I was at school,that I must have been a cheerleader. LOL. It makes me smile inwardly because if they knew me back then they would never have guessed it's the same person standing infront of them!

Anyways, I deeply enjoyed reading what Lotis obviously took time to share with us.I relate to a good part of it.I was amazed by the accuracy of the things she said,there are some things that hit me spot on There is so little on quincunxes out there on the net, it's very interesting indeed to read about them being something more than ''an adjustment''

Just because no astrology books have had a similar take on quincunxes doesn't necessarily mean these descriptions have no reason to be true.Like I said I relate to most of the stuff said.I'm looking forward to read about what other people here who have natal quincunxes have to say.


It was a lot of text - I don't know if you read it all or not - admittedly, I didn't - but yeah, she did assign labels to it : "nerdy" or "charismatic", then went on to say that people with a chart full of quincunx automatically know more about a subject than one with a chart full of soft aspects, which in all honesty, was just silly. An aspect is an aspect is an aspect. It won't tell you anything about how much a person knows about a given subject, or how successful they are or will ultimately be, and an aspect itself doesn't tell you anything about the individual in order to assign a label or title to them either.

You may not feel your quincunx are a hard aspect because you might've managed to make them work for you but in the strict technical classification they're a hard aspect just like an opposition or a square and do represent a certain amount of difficulty involving the planets and houses involved in the quincunx. I'm not saying this from a place of personal bias; I have more than a few quincunx myself. I also have more than a few trines, and my chart is mostly sextiles and conjunctions; and I have a planet whose aspects are almost entirely, squares.

I just really disliked the implication that soft aspects automatically mean a person isn't going to add up to anything or know anything about something, and that hard aspects mean the person is going to be an expert at something, and both astrologically and in the real world there is no supporting evidence for what White said. Easy aspects simply mean that that's an area of life that comes easy to you; hard aspects mean more difficulty. What the person ultimately does with that ease or difficulty is up to them, and plenty of people with lots of easy aspects or easy charts, or that in general, have innate talents or abilities in something, do work hard at improving on what they've been given and grow to know a great deal about that subject or area of life. Honestly those posts read like some kind of Soft Aspect Bias or something, despite the benevolent delivery. And neither hard or soft aspects themselves have anything to do with whether someone is a nerd or charismatic - for that you have to look to see what certain planets are doing and where they are positioned. But to assign a personality trait to an aspect like, "Oh conjunctions mean you're frigid", just doesn't make any sense. The whole high school tie-in genuinely confused the crap out of me too, because I'm 31 and haven't been in high school since I was 17 and don't give it much thought at all and found myself doing the head scratch and wondering what high school cliques and classifications even have to do with astrology at all.

Usually astrological text are written by professional astrologers who have spent decades pouring over charts and even attended school on the subject so really I do believe they have something valid to offer and real life experiences have, for me, backed up what they've put forth in those books. Saying that "Just because it's in a book by someone who knows about the subject, doesn't mean it's true", isn't something I would do. To me that's like dismissing the instruction of a surgeon 20 years into his career, on how to do an appendectomy. Sure, you can discard what he tells you and do your own thing, but it might not be a good idea.

White's absolutely free to believe what she wants, and like I said, I always appreciate anyone that is interested in and enthusiastic enough about astrology to put in all the time and effort she has on this, because I love the subject of astrology and wish more people did also. I just can't agree with anything in it because I just found the entire series of posts really confusing with no astrological evidence to back up what was said.

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posted April 12, 2013 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Snorkel, if you don’t agree with my interpretations that’s fine. Now we’ve all heard your opinion. I don’t want this thread to turn into an argument that goes on for a hundred posts, so no more bickering please.

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posted April 12, 2013 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I would like to hear your take on Pluto quincunx NN please?

I have pluto in 9H but it's in libra, Libra is my 10th house. NN is in my 10th house...uranus is in my 10th house- scorpio.

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posted April 12, 2013 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lotis White:
This is a response to snorkel, and an explanation to everybody else as well.

There is an astrological theory that aspects to take on the characteristics of the signs the occur in, in the natural zodiac. Over time I’ve noticed that this is true. I’m not going to dig up a reference for this but there’s plenty of material out there… A lot of astrologers also use numerology to describe the character of aspects… The number used to divide the zodiac to get the aspect is said to describe it’s quality. Here, I’m using the signs aspects occur in, in the natural zodiac, as a why to decipher it’s character.

Zero degrees of Aries makes quincunxes to zero degrees of Virgo, and zero degrees of Scorpio in the natural zodiac.

For this reason, in the natural zodiac the two quincunx signs are Virgo and Scorpio (because they quincunx Aries). Through repeated trial and error, people with quincunxes develop a sophisticated understanding of various practical processes (Virgo), and psychological issues (Scorpio). Quincunx aspects work like a combo of Virgo and Scorpio in this way.

Every quincunx has a Virgo side and a Scorpio side if you count forward through the zodiac. In a quincunx aspect the first planet will be six signs ahead of the second planet (Virgo is the sixth sign of the zodiac) . While the second planet will be eight signs ahead of the first planet (Scorpio is the eighth sign of the zodiac). Or vice versa… But there will be a combo of six and eight in the number of signs between planets.

My Venus is in Sagittarius is six signs ahead of my Moon in Cancer. My Moon in Cancer is eight signs ahead of my Sagittarius Venus. They quincunx by degree.

The quincunx is more of a hard aspect.

My perspective is that hard aspects are dynamic, and generate drama, and change. While soft aspects are consistent, and generate stability, and smooth flow.

Hard aspects are stronger motivators for change and growth then soft aspects. This doesn’t mean that people with only soft aspects can’t be ‘successful’. Of course they can. But people with hard aspects are forced to overcome more challenges, and in this life-time have more energy pushing them forward.

About the use of the ‘Mean Girl’, ‘Nerd’, ‘Charismatic Love Interest‘, and the ‘Cheesy Romance Novelist’ characters… These are only analogies. Please don’t take them literally.

STEREOTYPES are easily recognizable concepts that help make it easier to understand a message. Of course I don’t truly believe that everyone out there with a quincunx is a major ‘Nerd‘, nor are they all irresistible to everybody. I have a prominent quincunx myself so I’m well aware of that. The point I was trying to make is that quincunx can be both awkward and charismatic in different ways. A quincunx has two sides. The ‘Nerd’ and ‘Charismatic Love Interest’ were merely concepts used to illustrate this. You know, like in a comedy skit. I was only half serious when I wrote these.

Peace all.


This still doesn't make sense to me, no offense. Sure, Aries might quincunx Virgo and Scorpio. That doesn't mean that a quincunx is Aries and Scorpio. that's like saying that a Trine is Leo and Sag because they trine each other astrologically.

I'm seriously not trying to be a spoil-sport here, and I do like some up and coming theories - a lot of iQ's theories about the asteroids are very new and haven't been recognized yet by the mainstream astrological community, but I'm onboard with those entirely because I understand the logic behind them and the investigation I've done on my own time does seem to support what he's saying. Unfortunately I can't say that here with your theories, which isn't to say that I'm trying to tell anyone else what to think, I absolutely want people to always think for themselves and come up to their own conclusions; I'm all for indepedent thought.

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posted April 12, 2013 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snorkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Snorkel, if you don’t agree with my interpretations that’s fine. Now we’ve all heard your opinion. I don’t want this thread to turn into an argument that goes on for a hundred posts, so no more bickering please.


Not arguing. I'm trying to understand.

Okay, so I just read where you said something about astrology and numerology. That's true, but the way you explained it was a bit of a misnomer. Astrologers associate the quintile with the number five and creativity but they don't assign an astrological sign to it and say a quintile is Leo, and that a quintile is the homecoming queen.

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: That's like saying that a Trine is Leo and Sag because they trine each other astrologically.

Actually... There are similarities between the signs aspects occur in through the natural zodiac, and the qualities of the aspects themselves.

That's pretty much what I was getting at.

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http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/214489.html
Here’s an except from another thread on the importance of sextiles.

Just to be clear I love all the aspects and see each as a valuable gift in it’s own way.

In this thread I went into more detail about the nature of the sextile and some other aspects. I think this might be relevant to this thread also.

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Personally, I love sextiles and would never discount them.

In my natal I’ve got a tight sextile between my Cap Sun ruler Saturn at zero degrees Virgo, and my Sag Asc ruler Jupiter at zero degrees Cancer. And I can really feel it… I’m very levelheaded… I’m not someone that yo yo’s between extremes in my perspectives at all… I’m rarely ever too depressive, or too ‘manic’…. I tend to maintain a generally positive yet realistic attitude to life…. There’s a good flow of internal self talk between my practical side and my optimistic side. Usually, I’m firm yet happy.

Yes, Sextiles to me are quite powerful, especially if they are under 3 degrees in orb. They are mildly exciting, in that they do seem to involve quite a bit or activity, and often involve lots of fun communication…. Kind of like at a party where everyone is getting along and there is lots of banter, joking around, flirting, and silly gossip. Nothing too dramatic usually happens with Sextiles, and things usually go smoothly….The first Sextile in the zodiac occurs in the sign of Gemini and Sextiles do seem to have quite a Gemini quality to them…. They are light and mild, easygoing, communicative, stimulating, spontaneous, supportive, helpful, friendly, and active in a flowing kind of way…

I think looking at the elements helps explain how sextiles work…. Air feeds Fire, Water nourishes the Earth, Fire excites Air, Earth supports Water…. These elements help each other in very fundamental ways. They are different enough to find each other interesting, and similar enough to have an understanding with each other.

When sextiles occur between planets they function smoothly together like a well oiled machine. There is a friendly, helpful vibe between the two planets, and they are able to achieve their mutual objectives together in a productive fashion. Communication and cooperation are easy, and there’s also a silly, playful camaraderie to the aspect. Like two siblings teasing each other. Going back to the Gemini /3rd house connection, this sector has to do with relationships where we have a natural familiarity with others, and feel free to say whatever pops into our heads at any given time. And so, sextiles allow us to feel supported, and free to say what we really think with regard to the planets in sextile by synastry. A lot of sextiles in synastry give a relaxed, informal, and open vibe between people where there’s a lot of banter, and exchanges of advice, tips, and recommendations.

And it’s true that sextiles provide opportunities…. I’ve literally had people come up to me and offer me free stuff during a sextile transit… It’s like events just flow together in the right way, to give you a chance to acquire or do something worthwhile.


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I tend to look at aspects as taking on some of the flavor of the first zodiac sign they occur in…

Squares have a primal, feeling vibe like Cancer, and I’ll elaborate on this one to give an example of what I mean.

The 1st square occurs in the sign of Cancer…. Which can explain why squares can be so painful, or even traumatic, on an emotional level. They can cause us to question our selves, and perhaps experience some insecurity, and self-doubt. Natal Squares can be quite poignant, and can often feel like a tragic flaw that we are quite touché about…. Where we feel uncertain of ourselves, or even shy…. This is until we are able to summon the courage overcome our blockages, and confront an issue. Squares challenge us to overcome our inner uncertainty and take action to solve our problems. Cancer is a cardinal sign, and as such squares ultimately show ambition to overcome the odds regardless of what gets in your way. They show where we feel ‘weak’ or blocked, and also where we feel most driven and motivated to preserve our security. And squares do seem to have a lot to do with having your security, or emotional well being, threatened in someway. When a crab feels threatened and backed up against the wall they will fight. So yeah, overcoming uncertainty and taking action is a big theme for squares. Of course, a lot also depends on which planets are squaring…. Mars square the Sun my show a very aggressive person, but this aggression may be part of a defense mechanism they have developed because of a secret fear that they are actually weak. So they overcompensate to prove that no one can push them around….

I think trines are like Leo, in that they show a natural talent we have that just flows out from our being. Trines also tend to show where we feel confident and sure of ourselves, and what we are capable of doing. In relationships trines show what parts of the relationship we feel confident about, because the two planets in trine flow together so well, that we just naturally trust in it. There is also the feeling of specialness and glory that comes form Leo in trines… For example, If you had someone whose Mercury trines your Venus… You may feel that this person knows just how to sweet talk you, that they can do it like no one else you’ve ever known, and that this part of the relationship is so special… How could anyone else compete! The trined parts of a relationship can be easily romanticized because they run so smoothly, and appear to be ‘perfect’.

I Also think conjunctions have a leaping forward together vibe, and an intensity, like Aries.

And Oppositions have a lot to do with contrasting, comparing, debating and taking turns, like Libra.

Quincunxes occur in the signs Virgo and Scorpio in the natural zodiac, and this aspect definitely is connected with irritating health issues on a physical level, and weird, awkward vibes of a psychological level. Like Virgo and Scorpio.


So yeah, that’s my take.


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http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/minoraspects.html

Here’s a link explaining what I’m getting at with the sign-aspect relationship thing. I have my issues with the astrology site Librarising.com, but this particular part I really agree with.

Except this part
"ALL OTHER ASPECTS ARE PURELY MATHEMATICAL AND NON-ASTROLOGICAL AS THEY ARE NOT BASED ON SIGN RELATION".

I think Quindeciles, quintiles, septiles, semi-squares, semi-quiquadrates, and the like DO have value.

And the interpretations for the semi-sextile, and the quincunx are a little harsher then I'd advocate.

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