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Topic: Touch my Lilith... right there...
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venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 01:12 AM
  
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Ceridwen
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posted March 29, 2015 06:49 AM
Which of the many Liliths are you talking about? The asteroid, the mean Black Moon, natural Black Moon, true Black Moon or even Waldemath,t he hypothetical second Moon on earth?IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 07:39 AM
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Ceridwen
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posted March 29, 2015 07:44 AM
For me the true Lilith has always had the strongest impact; it is not necessarily something you like to identify with though. Nevertheless, I usually use natural Lilith (cause this is the counterpart to Priapus) and true Lilith only. But I know many use mean Lilith as well, but since I donīt use the mean nodes either, I stay away from mean Lilith as well. On the other hand mean Lilith is never far from natural Lilith anyway, so this is all just splitting hairs I guess. So natural Lilith and true Lilith for me. And yes, I feel her strongly in synastry.
(my mean Lilith is actually exact on my PSYCHE natally - see, I do know where she is even if I do not use her that much). Actually my Liliths are all close to each other from 24-28 Aquarius. While I seem to not be drawn to conjunctions there (exception being the nodal axis and Priapus), other strong and tight aspects especially to someone else`s Moon, Lilith or Mars seem to really draw me in. Have not yet researched Eros in terms of that, however the meeting that left the strongest impact, including Kundalini stuff, interestingly had an exact Eros-true Lilith opposition, with Lilith on ASC and ERos on DESC. Nuff said, he still drives me bonkers.  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 29, 2015 07:48 AM
I liked that explanation that True Lilith is a bit more erratic and uncivilized, while the mean one somehow is more adaptable (within her capacity of course) IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 07:55 AM
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venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I liked that explanation that True Lilith is a bit more erratic and uncivilized, while the mean one somehow is more adaptable (within her capacity of course)
Wow, that's interesting. I will have to take a closer look. I almost can't stand Lilith in Leo. Maybe there's something to that... IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted March 29, 2015 12:40 PM
... Y'know, Tink, I think you're onto something.It's so tough to isolate a single aspect, but I have to say I do have my boyfriend's MARS-LILITH conjunct my BML, 0°30 and 1°30, respectively. So I'll have to think on this. It may be my BML is feeling a certain level of underlying acceptance being tightly conjunct his LILITH 1181. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted March 29, 2015 12:53 PM
I concur that TBML is more erratic and wild than BML, which has accepted some compromise is required to relate. TBML is uncompromising and tends to choose solitude. BML will relate so long as it's by her terms, which are closer to JUNO in her need for fairness and equality. LILITH 1181 I'm still trying to understand. According to Lang-Wescott, it also involves relational triangulation, multiple or 'divided' loyalties, and taboo relationships or sexuality. I feel that has merit. IP: Logged |
astra7
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posted March 29, 2015 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Which of the many Liliths are you talking about? The asteroid, the mean Black Moon, natural Black Moon, true Black Moon or even Waldemath,t he hypothetical second Moon on earth?
garr, there are so many!??
Are they all different? LOL
So which Lilith is the one listed under 'Additional objects' in Astro.com? True or Mean?My Lilith is very tamed. It has Saturn sitting on it to keep her in check. o_O IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 01:13 PM
garr, there are so many!??
Are they all different? LOL
So which Lilith is the one listed under 'Additional objects' in Astro.com? True or Mean?My Lilith is very tamed. It has Saturn sitting on it to keep her in check. o_O I am pretty sure it's the mean at astro.com. I think biwheel gives the true. IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted March 29, 2015 01:27 PM
I feel the same way you do about mean lilith. She's the one I feel when I come in contact with someone who touches it. Oddly enough I haven't associated trust with this aspect but most of the people I have this with I do trust more so than others.BML opposes Asc/Moon/eros/psyche
Asteroid Lilith conjunct MC IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 01:46 PM
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Aunt Anomalia
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posted March 29, 2015 02:00 PM
I don't have any observations but my Liliths would definitely need to feel accepted to let me unite with someone.3 calculated Liliths in the 4th, one conjunct IC widely, 2 trine the IC ruler
Lilith asteroid trine Moon, square Mars
W Lilith trine Venus, sextile IC to the minute ------------------
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venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 02:20 PM
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venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by ail221:
I feel the same way you do about mean lilith. She's the one I feel when I come in contact with someone who touches it. Oddly enough I haven't associated trust with this aspect but most of the people I have this with I do trust more so than others.BML opposes Asc/Moon/eros/psyche
Asteroid Lilith conjunct MC
Yeah, it's so interesting. I've read so much about Lilith, but nothing about how positive aspects to it can bring trust and a feeling of being accepted, but it really makes sense. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
3 calculated Liliths in the 4th, one conjunct IC widely, 2 trine the IC ruler
Lilith asteroid trine Moon, square Mars
W Lilith trine Venus, sextile IC to the minute
Wow! Yeah! There's no getting around your Liliths. I would think then that your successful relationships are honest and rewarding. I have had some decent relationships, but there was sometimes a part of myself that I could just not explore with my partner. IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia
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posted March 29, 2015 03:46 PM
Hm. So that it's clear, it's not that I want to engage in some sexual perversions. It's that I'll never be completely domesticated. I play by my rules which aren't necessarily compatible with social norms. And I pretty much disregard the idea of family. Oh, I also have Uranus in the 4th, Lili's best friend ^^ ------------------
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venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Hm. So that it's clear, it's not that I want to engage in some sexual perversions. It's that I'll never be completely domesticated. I play by my rules which aren't necessarily compatible with social norms. And I pretty much disregard the idea of family. Oh, I also have Uranus in the 4th, Lili's best friend ^^
Don't worry. I wasn't thinking anything weird about you. I reserve those thoughts for myself (smirk) I have Uranus in 4th too (In Scorpio) IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell
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posted March 29, 2015 03:56 PM
But the point about playing by your own rules is what I think is most important about Lilith. And maybe I feel that when I have met a man who accepts Lilith which is about more than sex, I have met a man that accepts me as an equal. I might be getting carried away. I am just throwing around ideas. IP: Logged |
Pretty Theft
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posted April 02, 2015 01:07 PM
I use BML (black moon Lilith) at astro.com, which is h13 in additional objects. There's just more information on it and I can relate to it better. I don't know about the other ones so I pretty much ignore them!That thing about trust that you said is pretty interesting, but it's not true for me honestly. I have BML in a tight conjunction with my man's (also tightly) conjuncted Mars/Venus at 0 degrees, Aries Point. I definitely have the hots for him ... a lot ... but as far as trust? (Doesn't that sound bad?) We have a ton of Neptune mucking **** up. I trust him, but I don't ... I guess. Something for us to work on, really. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted April 02, 2015 02:34 PM
PT, h13 is the oscillating or 'true' BML. She's the wildest of the three; the most uncompromising and untamed. Interesting that she resonates most with you. IP: Logged |
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