posted March 30, 2015 04:40 AM            

I feel a 9° conjunction as if it were exact; I immediately had to know why, too.

It's a few things. Natally, I have a stodgy and solitary 12H VENUS in VIRGO, but it's paralell my PLUTO, which is 2° conjunct my SUN. So the influence is 'known' to me, but very internalised. Like a secret; very private experience. Anything that touches this VENUS parallel PLUTO carries with it this tacit knowing and visceral magnetism. It's parallel my ASC, too, so despite its inherent 'privacy', it's a bit of a neon sign when activated.

My VENUS isn't fond of intruders in her House. (I actually wrote an extensive astrodrama about this a bit ago to illustrate the principle.) So she's a soft touch and rather skittish anyhow. A MARS at 2° is too much. A URA at 12° is only a distant effect; like an afterthought. It's too far outside of her realm to annoy or influence.

But a PLUTO at 9° seems just the ticket. It need not even make any aspect by declination; the wide longitudinal conjunction is strangely enough. But why?

For one, it's applying. And, most of all, it's linking a 1H effect to the 12H planet it's aspecting. So the mere fact it's crossed my ASC and is overlaying in my 1H means it's pulling my stubbornly private VENUS kicking and screaming into the light. And I see that PLUTO affecting my VENUS with its own Plutonian resonance and am nearly spellbound by it. Points in our 1H are always very apparent to us; so those overlays in synastry remain paramount and among the first of which we take notice.

Were it an appropriately tight orb, it wouldn't be in my 1H, but my 12H. Likely to incur the same wrath as most which get tossed into my 12H through synastry do.

posted March 30, 2015 05:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Is the ASC near the midpoint of both, Venus and Pluto, AUby?

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Personally whily I donīt agree with the 7 or 9 degree orb for an outer planet (imo something strong must connect them otherwise to be felt like that), I DO pay a LOT attention whenever a planet is close to an angle (sometimes even square it closely) and making aspects, synastrically or natally. These tend to be pulled to the foreground.

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Too far, Ceri. My natal VENUS/PLUTO is 0° Libra, with my ASC at 10° VIR 43. Curiously, though, his PLUTO is exactly on my VENUS/JUPITER. I'd never quite noticed that. (He's also got it 0°30 conjunct his SIVA as well. It packs a punch.)

I've tried to grasp why it's had such potency. I do know that anything which happens to 'pull' my VENUS across my ASC to make an aspect, it can be very felt -- even at crazy wide orb. About the only time, really.

posted March 30, 2015 05:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Now, as you know, my VENUS is 2° conjunct my ASC, but from the 12H. It's definitely angular, but tucked away.

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It definitely is.
Funny enough my Mars is 2° conjunct my ASC, also from 12th.

Anyway, I still do not feel satisfied with that 9 degree Venus-Pluto-conjunction being felt so strongly for you. I completely believe you feel it, I just would like to know why astrologically.

Especially thinking how many hundreds of people, or at least those you met , also will fall into that range, did you react the same way to them?

With the outer planets I also like to check for other personal planets aspecting, even if not on the midpoint.

So your Venus at 8 Virgo approximately, his Pluto at 17 Virgo (about that?) - is there any personal planet around 12-13 degrees of the mutable signs especially? or other Earth signs?
What are your Mercurie`s doing?

Well I see your Venus Duad is on 13 Sagittarius. Pluto Duad on 19 Gemini.
(which of course means that at least in terms of sign relation, there is another Venus-Pluto background resonance for you)

posted March 30, 2015 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It definitely is.
Funny enough my Mars is 2° conjunct my ASC, also from 12th.

Anyway, I still do not feel satisfied with that 9 degree Venus-Pluto-conjunction being felt so strongly for you. I completely believe you feel it, I just would like to know why astrologically.

Especially thinking how many hundreds of people, or at least those you met , also will fall into that range, did you react the same way to them?

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Exactly! I think I began to consider it due to his being the only '67er in my sphere. When I brought in a woman born in October '67 for a spell, we formed a very tight, almost immediate soul-sister bond. I can't say it's VENUS-PLUTO doing that, though. It's off in 22° VIRGO.

What of the two '65ers and one '66 who all came into my life within 5 years of each other?

The first's an ARIES SUN (sharing RDJ's birthday, off by two hours) that's got it at 14° with MARS on 10° VIRGO. The attraction it seems he feels to me (which is entirely superficial and playful, though he is much deeper as a person) can be explained by that. It's also all retro, and his URA is making a 3° conjunction, too.

I don't have the same feeling with him. It's more that URA-MARS taking hold.

The '66er has his SUN 1°30 conjunct my NNODE, which is keenly felt. We also have a flirtatious, sexy vibe. He's got an intensity and has been chasing me in some capacity for eight years! But, hey -- NNODE-SUN! He's a very fun, sexy, playful man who lives the alternative lifestyle and recently married his long-term girlfriend with whom he's completely smitten. They're just both very polyamorous. (I really like her, too. She's helped me feel more knowledgeable about these things.)

His URA-PLUTO is conjunct as it is in my boyfriend's chart, though he was born roughly a year prior. It's degrees are 17° and 18° however, with PLUTO 1° closer. And I definitely do feel it with him, too, just not AS intensely. Rather, that URA is almost AS strong, creating a blended energy of PLUTO with URANUS. Like URA-tinted PLUTO or something. So he's bold and exciting rather than calculating and smoldering. He and I clearly have a soul connexion, too, but it's more karmic reward than anything outstanding. We always have a nice, playful, enriching time around each other, with this background intensity he's very comfortable with taking to the foreground. And, to me, it feels very URA-PLUTO.

The last of the '65ers to come into my life was born 3 months after the Aries, and shares several placements with my boyfriend and husband, oddly enough. We developed a fast friendship which has become more sibling-feeling over time. His SUN is right on my ANTIVERTEX, conjunct by 0°25, too.

But outside of the other curious placements, his PLUTO is 14° and URA 12° -- unsurprising, being only a few months after the first gentleman.

And yet, the same thing: URA dominates the energy. It should be inextricable from PLUTO, sharing that 2° conjunction, and both are in orb. But URA is 2° conjunct my ASC, and 4° my VENUS. It's almost like if URA is within tighter orb, it flat takes over. In my chart, at least. Perhaps because I have strong Uranian energy?

What do you think, Ceri?

Why is it my boyfriend's PLUTO has such a transformative effect upon my VENUS? Is it due to URA being too out of orb for influence that the energy is more 'purely' Plutonian? Is it even possible with his natal conjunction of it to URA?

What're your thoughts? Maybe I'll check the Draco, too.

posted March 30, 2015 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It definitely is.
Funny enough my Mars is 2° conjunct my ASC, also from 12th.

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posted March 30, 2015 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Is there anything backing it up? Here is the synastry chart. I am still new to astrology so I'm trying to figure out how all this works :-)

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Honestly before getting into the Pluto question, Iw ould rather delve into the Grand trines involving Venus-Mars-Venus-Moon

And it looks like you have a DW of Moon-Mars-trine. how does that translate into the composite? As a trine, sextile, conjunction or opposition?

And a connection between 8th and 2nd house ruler I think, if the birthtime is right, which is actually a Pluto-Venus-interchange and a much more individual one than the 7 degrees Venus-Pluto-opposition.

actually that is what I would recommend to every astrolger:

First asess the relationship planets and their interaspects (Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn especially), the angular aspects (if one planet is on an angle and aspects another planet), and the conjunctions and squares to the nodal axis.

it is the personal planets that make people relate to each other on a personal way, indicating how your basic energies meshes.

The outer planets are catalysts, they can affect you greatly, and push you into certain experiences, feeling very fateful, but they donīt bring or keep you together for the longterm (well nothing can do that, but the personal planets are apt to describe what brings and keeps you together or apart).

If the outer planets are the ones responsible for bringing you together without a solid basis in th epersonal planets, you wonīt stay together for long. Just as long as whatever Pluto or Neptune or Uranus wanted to make you experience is being accomplished.
And then all that sizzle will go just POOF and leaving you wonder what the heck just happened. And who on earth this stranger in bed beside you might be.

But of course they surely can feel so intense, I get that.

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The only time when the outer planet-personal planet aspects can get really deeply into yuor soul is when for both people personal planets are involved in the aspect.

posted March 30, 2015 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Why is it my boyfriend's PLUTO has such a transformative effect upon my VENUS?

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posted March 31, 2015 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Exactly! I think I began to consider it due to his being the only '67er in my sphere. When I brought in a woman born in October '67 for a spell, we formed a very tight, almost immediate soul-sister bond. I can't say it's VENUS-PLUTO doing that, though. It's off in 22° VIRGO.

What of the two '65ers and one '66 who all came into my life within 5 years of each other?

The first's an ARIES SUN (sharing RDJ's birthday, off by two hours) that's got it at 14° with MARS on 10° VIRGO. The attraction it seems he feels to me (which is entirely superficial and playful, though he is much deeper as a person) can be explained by that. It's also all retro, and his URA is making a 3° conjunction, too.

I don't have the same feeling with him. It's more that URA-MARS taking hold.

The '66er has his SUN 1°30 conjunct my NNODE, which is keenly felt. We also have a flirtatious, sexy vibe. He's got an intensity and has been chasing me in some capacity for eight years! But, hey -- NNODE-SUN! He's a very fun, sexy, playful man who lives the alternative lifestyle and recently married his long-term girlfriend with whom he's completely smitten. They're just both very polyamorous. (I really like her, too. She's helped me feel more knowledgeable about these things.)

His URA-PLUTO is conjunct as it is in my boyfriend's chart, though he was born roughly a year prior. It's degrees are 17° and 18° however, with PLUTO 1° closer. And I definitely do feel it with him, too, just not AS intensely. Rather, that URA is almost AS strong, creating a blended energy of PLUTO with URANUS. Like URA-tinted PLUTO or something. So he's bold and exciting rather than calculating and smoldering. He and I clearly have a soul connexion, too, but it's more karmic reward than anything outstanding. We always have a nice, playful, enriching time around each other, with this background intensity he's very comfortable with taking to the foreground. And, to me, it feels very URA-PLUTO.

The last of the '65ers to come into my life was born 3 months after the Aries, and shares several placements with my boyfriend and husband, oddly enough. We developed a fast friendship which has become more sibling-feeling over time. His SUN is right on my ANTIVERTEX, conjunct by 0°25, too.

But outside of the other curious placements, his PLUTO is 14° and URA 12° -- unsurprising, being only a few months after the first gentleman.

And yet, the same thing: URA dominates the energy. It should be inextricable from PLUTO, sharing that 2° conjunction, and both are in orb. But URA is 2° conjunct my ASC, and 4° my VENUS. It's almost like if URA is within tighter orb, it flat takes over. In my chart, at least. Perhaps because I have strong Uranian energy?

What do you think, Ceri?

Why is it my boyfriend's PLUTO has such a transformative effect upon my VENUS? Is it due to URA being too out of orb for influence that the energy is more 'purely' Plutonian? Is it even possible with his natal conjunction of it to URA?

What're your thoughts? Maybe I'll check the Draco, too.

Incidentally, his dMARS is conjunct his nPLUTO (1°) and 7° from my nVENUS. I thought that interesting.

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posted March 31, 2015 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Honestly before getting into the Pluto question, Iw ould rather delve into the Grand trines involving Venus-Mars-Venus-Moon

And it looks like you have a DW of Moon-Mars-trine. how does that translate into the composite? As a trine, sextile, conjunction or opposition?

And a connection between 8th and 2nd house ruler I think, if the birthtime is right, which is actually a Pluto-Venus-interchange and a much more individual one than the 7 degrees Venus-Pluto-opposition.

actually that is what I would recommend to every astrolger:

First asess the relationship planets and their interaspects (Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn especially), the angular aspects (if one planet is on an angle and aspects another planet), and the conjunctions and squares to the nodal axis.

it is the personal planets that make people relate to each other on a personal way, indicating how your basic energies meshes.

The outer planets are catalysts, they can affect you greatly, and push you into certain experiences, feeling very fateful, but they donīt bring or keep you together for the longterm (well nothing can do that, but the personal planets are apt to describe what brings and keeps you together or apart).

If the outer planets are the ones responsible for bringing you together without a solid basis in th epersonal planets, you wonīt stay together for long. Just as long as whatever Pluto or Neptune or Uranus wanted to make you experience is being accomplished.
And then all that sizzle will go just POOF and leaving you wonder what the heck just happened. And who on earth this stranger in bed beside you might be.

But of course they surely can feel so intense, I get that.

EDIT
The only time when the outer planet-personal planet aspects can get really deeply into yuor soul is when for both people personal planets are involved in the aspect.

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The Moon-Mars is Trine in the composite with an orb of -2. What does this mean?