posted April 06, 2015 08:26 PM            

My best guy friend who is 9 years younger than me, I met him 12/11/11 online but we didn't meet in person until 7/7/12. I instantly was drawn to him and felt comfortable, we had this deep soul/emotional connection and I fell in love with him because of it. I recognized I was in love with him when we kissed for the first time, it was a huge soul shock for me. We actually were intimate as well in which I only was because I was in love with him. I also don't fall in love easily, he was the second one I fell for that felt more unconditional as oppose to the other that felt more conditioned love. He had feelings for me at the time too...but after everything he shut out his feelings for me and developed this fear of getting with me saying that it's not guaranteed to last so he'd rather keep me as a life-long best friend than jeopardize a real relationship with me and possibly losing me forever. So yes, we are still best friends and talk almost every day.

Now as far as I know with research, we have a lot of good aspects in our synastry...for example:

My Sun conjuncts his Saturn - EXACT.
My Sun is in his 7th house
Our Suns are in trine
My Sun conjuncts his Vertex by 5 degrees
My Moon conjuncts his Neptune by 4 degrees
His Moon trines my Neptune by 2 degrees
Our Moons are in trine
My North Node conjuncts his South Node by 2 degrees [so obviously his North Node conjuncts my South Node by 2 degrees]

But then of course we have the aspect that I've researched that doesn't look so good...

His Venus conjuncts my South Node by 7 degrees

Dun dun duuuuun

So I was wondering if there is a possible future with us? I'm not sure if our node conjunctions help balance the "star-crossed" lovers aspect. I have read that some relationships do last with Venus conjunct South Node...but I'm not sure with us lol. We are still best friends and it does pain us to be away from each other. It's been an emotional roller coaster with a lot of push and pull. It's been going on for 3 years almost. I wouldn't say either of us feels "held back" persay, I mean we still want to be very close, but he's experiencing relationships still to learn and me, well, every time I try it fails lol and I end up going back to him. Same with him, relationships fail and he comes back to me. I'm not sure if the timing is just off and we just need to learn and grow from other relationships just to come back to each other again in the future? Again I'm totally new to all this and I consider myself New Age Spirituality and believe in psychology as well, so it's pretty balanced. I'm also not sure if I hurt him in a past life and that's why he has this fear, or because of external forces in a past life is the reason why .

posted April 07, 2015 12:03 PM            

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posted April 07, 2015 03:16 PM            

but that moon-mars-saturn(sun) t-square looks painful. hopefully people with much more knowledge can enlighten us on that subject.

i wouldnt use a 7 degrees conjunct but people have different opinions on orbs so i dont know its up to you.

posted April 07, 2015 03:45 PM            

Yeah I wasn't sure how to interpret the Venus conjunct SN at the 7 orb lol I'm still new at this, I've just always used intuition more as a kid and I was told I'm a crystal child but now I'm older and have bipolar and always question things too, I try to balance logic and intuition now.

posted April 07, 2015 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by tilanburov:
but that moon-mars-saturn(sun) t-square looks painful. hopefully people with much more knowledge can enlighten us on that subject.

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I must agree. A T-Square between MOON, MARS, and SATURN/SUN packs a serious punch and requires a lot of unconditional love to weather the storms.

posted April 07, 2015 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'd buy that this is a Soulmate synastry with some of the above. There's likely some outstanding karma, too, which is what keeps drawing you back together.

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posted April 07, 2015 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by tilanburov:
i wouldnt use a 7 degrees conjunct but people have different opinions on orbs so i dont know its up to you.

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Believe it or not, in karmic synastry, we use much wider orbs. I think it's because we're looking at larger patterns and configurations that we allow the expansion, in many cases, up to 10º.

In which case, VENUS conjunct SNODE does tend to be limiting. There's karma to be sorted out in regards to Venusian pursuits -- affection, aesthetics, maybe even art -- which will be a large part of the relationship in the beginning, and become less influential over time.

posted April 07, 2015 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I must agree. A T-Square between MOON, MARS, and SATURN/SUN packs a serious punch and requires a lot of unconditional love to weather the storms.

SUN conjunct SATURN also operates entirely differently in friendships than it does romantic relations.

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Hmmmm makes sense, we have a lot of patience with each other and if we need space, we give each other space and then come back to each other. I know he said we have an amazing connection aside from all the pain we have been through.

How does Sun conjunct Saturn operate as a friendship?

posted April 07, 2015 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Believe it or not, in karmic synastry, we use much wider orbs. I think it's because we're looking at larger patterns and configurations that we allow the expansion, in many cases, up to 10º.

In which case, VENUS conjunct SNODE does tend to be limiting. There's karma to be sorted out in regards to Venusian pursuits -- affection, aesthetics, maybe even art -- which will be a large part of the relationship in the beginning, and become less influential over time.

The more impacting link is the NODAL conjunctions, with the NNODE conjunct SNODE and vice versa. These are important karmic relationships. Both have debts to the other which must be resolved.

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posted April 07, 2015 05:24 PM            

Good lord! His chart is dominating your SNODE!

VENUS, PSYCHE, DESTINN, and MOON-MERC to a lesser extent. Wow!

This relationship is a comfy slipper. You're supposed to be friends, and stay in each other's lives in the background. Overall, he's taking the right approach by seeking relationships with other people. You need to ask yourself why your relationships are 'always failing'.

Meanwhile, you do nothing for each other's NNODEs. Damn. That's rough.

The sexual attraction stems from the 5H/8H overlay, and the VALENTINE/VENUS-EROS conjunction.

Sorry that I'm not more sanguine about it, but it's clear to me that this is a Soulmate relationship of which you're 'letting go' this lifeline, in order for you both to grow and evolve.

Stay best friends. In time you may discover that's all you both need from each other.

He has no skipped step from what I see here, but you do; CHIRON-OSIRIS, it would seem, though I don't have degrees. If they square your NODES (0º-5º) then I consider them a skipped step.

Now. HERE's where things get weird.

Though he doesn't have a skipped step, you DO have points that square HIS NODES, which would be conjunct his skipped step. In a way, it's like this: though you have a skipped step, but his chart makes no aspect to it, your skipped step is square his NODES.

What the heck does this mean?

Well, you COULD look for a point in his chart that's conjunct your CHIRON (part of your skipped step) to see if that illuminates the karma you both have together.

The more likely thing here is that, given your NODES being conjunct but reversed, your skipped step impacts both of you. So look at your CHIRON-OSIRIS to get a better idea of the sort of karma you're carrying around which also impacts him. Unless you find a point in his chart conjunct it, it's only your skipped step -- but he has karmic involvement.

This doesn't happen that often, so I apologise if it's confusing. Usually, both have points square the NODES (if they're conjunct) and we can identify their mutual skipped steps with the shared karma. But when it's just one individual, who's bringing their skipped step to the other NODES individual, it gets ... messy.

posted April 07, 2015 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by artsyasha:
How does Sun conjunct Saturn operate as a friendship?

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It's far more positive. In romantic relationships, SATURN tends to be critical and bear down upon the SUN, often requiring they conform to whatever internalised image they hold within their heads. Often idealised.

posted April 07, 2015 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Good lord! His chart is dominating your SNODE!

VENUS, PSYCHE, DESTINN, and MOON-MERC to a lesser extent. Wow!

This relationship is a comfy slipper. You're supposed to be friends, and stay in each other's lives in the background. Overall, he's taking the right approach by seeking relationships with other people. You need to ask yourself why your relationships are 'always failing'.

Meanwhile, you do nothing for each other's NNODEs. Damn. That's rough.

The sexual attraction stems from the 5H/8H overlay, and the VALENTINE/VENUS-EROS conjunction.

Sorry that I'm not more sanguine about it, but it's clear to me that this is a Soulmate relationship of which you're 'letting go' this lifeline, in order for you both to grow and evolve.

Stay best friends. In time you may discover that's all you both need from each other.

He has no skipped step from what I see here, but you do; CHIRON-OSIRIS, it would seem, though I don't have degrees. If they square your NODES (0º-5º) then I consider them a skipped step.

Now. HERE's where things get weird.

Though he doesn't have a skipped step, you DO have points that square HIS NODES, which would be conjunct his skipped step. In a way, it's like this: though you have a skipped step, but his chart makes no aspect to it, your skipped step is square his NODES.

What the heck does this mean?

Well, you COULD look for a point in his chart that's conjunct your CHIRON (part of your skipped step) to see if that illuminates the karma you both have together.

The more likely thing here is that, given your NODES being conjunct but reversed, your skipped step impacts both of you. So look at your CHIRON-OSIRIS to get a better idea of the sort of karma you're carrying around which also impacts him. Unless you find a point in his chart conjunct it, it's only your skipped step -- but he has karmic involvement.

This doesn't happen that often, so I apologise if it's confusing. Usually, both have points square the NODES (if they're conjunct) and we can identify their mutual skipped steps with the shared karma. But when it's just one individual, who's bringing their skipped step to the other NODES individual, it gets ... messy.

This could be a case of sharing similar but completely opposite (reversed) karma. Perhaps you both represent each side of a particular issue, and have both been impacted by (your) karma. In this way, by understanding each other's perspectives, you can heal the karma and release the relationship.

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posted April 07, 2015 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's far more positive. In romantic relationships, SATURN tends to be critical and bear down upon the SUN, often requiring they conform to whatever internalised image they hold within their heads. Often idealised.

The way I've seen this function in relationships can be summed up in the relationship my husband was in before we got together. They remain amazing friends, but even she said, 'he's just not boyfriend material in my eyes.' When she fit him into 'boyfriend' category, she became MUCH more demanding; things she even thought were endearing with him as a friend were annoying to absolute deal-breakers in a relationship. It's a perspective change.

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posted April 07, 2015 08:00 PM            

Soulmate relationships are complicated, almost as a general rule. But we can fortunately see if there's the potential for growth, or not. Here, there isn't. Since there's a strong soulful vibe, it's clear that you have karma to clear, and then you can move on.

Long story short, artsyasha, this doesn't denote any future. Your relationship is from the past and you're learning to let go of each other, so that you CAN evolve. Albeit, in separate directions.

posted April 07, 2015 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Sorry to be confusing. I forgot that you're so new to this. I'm also fending off something with a low-grade fever, so, not as quick on the uptake as usual. Mea culpa.

Soulmate relationships are complicated, almost as a general rule. But we can fortunately see if there's the potential for growth, or not. Here, there isn't. Since there's a strong soulful vibe, it's clear that you have karma to clear, and then you can move on.

Long story short, artsyasha, this doesn't denote any future. Your relationship is from the past and you're learning to let go of each other, so that you CAN evolve. Albeit, in separate directions.

Stay best friends. It's ultimately what's best for your mutual development and soul's evolution.

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It's okay I hope you feel better!