posted April 07, 2015 12:58 PM            

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LeeLoo's Esotericorner

posted April 07, 2015 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
If I remember correctly, those are the separating aspects in the pdf on astro.com, as opposed to the applying ones

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Just to add clarity in case that's not making sense.
Separating means the planet/angle in front moves faster than the one behind.
(Planets moving away from each other)

posted April 07, 2015 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Hmm so what effect does this have on the synastry? Is it at all different than how a regular orb is?

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I think in general they sometimes give more emphasis to applying aspects because they are growing in strength.

posted April 08, 2015 07:57 PM            

At around, say, 8º00-6º00 orb, you can hear it speeding in the distance, ready to round the corner.

At 5º00-3º00, it's made the corner. You can see it barrelling towards you.

At 2º00, it's in front of you. Maybe you have enough time to dodge it. Possibly.

At 1º00-0º30, it's RIGHT on you. There's NO way. It's GOING to hit you.

Then, at 0º00 -- SMACK!

At -0º00-0º29 (separating) it's JUST hit you, and you're lying there in the road, thinking, 'anybody get the licence plate on that truck?'

At about -1º00-0º30, you're unsteadily back to your feet, recovering.

By -2º00-4º00, now it's a recent thing; your memory of it is vivid.

At -4º00-8º00, you're a bit sensitive to it, but healed, and the memory is fading.

posted April 09, 2015 11:23 AM            

I like that explanation.

I always think of the orbs under 1 degree as those that hit you so instantly, that your response comes automatically, without really having any possibility to think before reacting.

In a way the closer orb denotes more instinctive automatic responses, with little control. Everything happens automatically, while the wider the orb is the more time the dominos need to fall.

posted April 09, 2015 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
I was wondering what it meant if you have a negative aspect with someone for Synastry. Such as- I have a Mars trine Venus -2 orb and Moon trine Mars -1 orb.

Thanks!

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posted April 09, 2015 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Are you joking again, Aunt Anomalia?

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posted April 09, 2015 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by polkadotstars:
[b]I was wondering what it meant if you have a negative aspect with someone for Synastry. Such as- I have a Mars trine Venus -2 orb and Moon trine Mars -1 orb.

Thanks!

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Funny!

posted April 09, 2015 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
LOL OUCH Aubyanne.
Would you say separating aspect -1* is weaker than 1* approaching?

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I know, right? He's a TV drama writer, so he deals in 'crash! - bang! - boom!' a lot more easily than long, abstract explanations.

For me, it's the immediate aftermath. 1º applying can be massive anxiety because OHTHEREITISOHMYGODCANIGETOUTOFTHEWAY!? versus the pain of the immediate collision. One is 'impending' [whatever] versus dealing with whatever.

Of course, the 'crash' can be delightful. When EROS and PSYCHE 'collide' at 0º00 it's more like the Howie Day song. Heh. Akin to a kiss -- and quite the passionate one at that. Other aspects are more forceful, and can leave us literally wondering WTF just hit us?

For Angelenos, and others in earthquake country, seismic activity works. With a bigger magnitude quake, you can hear the nearby rumble. That's about 1º.

At 0º, there's a whole lotta shakin' goin' on.

At 0º30 separating, it's JUST finished, and you're sitting there with your hands out, palms down, asking, ' ... was that it? Or is there more?' Of course, if there's another aspect, which immediately follows that one, it's equivalent to an aftershock. This has a lot to do with why we pay such close attention to stellia, as it's essentially a lot of concentrated energy in a very, very short period of 'time'.

So I like to remember that the exact aspect happened SOMEWHERE -- whether it's behind you, or ahead of you.

Think of the way we feel with someone who's got a tightly separating aspect to one of our more personal points. We might feel inexplicably uneasy. We have no idea why, it's just a low level discomfort. Painful. Sensitive. Or just very aware. Like the room hums with energy; almost as if we're afraid to look at them -- that awkward feeling from having a sex dream about someone you know, but have no intimate relationship with. That kind of bizarre, 'are they feeling this? Do they KNOW?'

Close applying aspects, we're 'bracing' for impact -- whether consciously or not. We're tense. We clam up. We might shut down. We might even avoid someone, if it's a tough aspect or difficult points.

What about sextiles and trines, though? They're a bit more like a drug, to be honest. (As I did drug / addiction counselling at one point, I'm familiar with the experience secondhand, and I studied the pharmacology.)

Sextiles and trines are an 'easy on', to use the term from drug therapy circles. Sextiles are a subtle influence. (Imagine everything has an immediate onset.) It's like eating chocolate every time someone approaches your VENUS with a soft trine or sextile. The intensity is largely determined by the orb. If it's exact, it might be like the canine oxytocin surge when their owner is spied. Their brain floods with 'the cuddle hormone' in anticipation of being petted, nuzzled, fed, and generally loved.

Cushy aspects to our most sensitive points -- MOON, IC, VENUS, etc. -- can feel like anything from 'soft music wafting in from a distant room' (VENUS/NEPTUNE) to 'sharing a box of chocolates' (VENUS/MOON) to a 'warm embrace' (MOON/IC) and so on.

This kind of visceral understanding has helped me better grasp how aspects can work in general.

posted April 09, 2015 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
well, no negative karma attached to separating aspects per se.

and certainly not with a Moon-Mars-trine.

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posted April 09, 2015 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Auby,

I like that explanation.

I always think of the orbs under 1 degree as those that hit you so instantly, that your response comes automatically, without really having any possibility to think before reacting.

In a way the closer orb denotes more instinctive automatic responses, with little control. Everything happens automatically, while the wider the orb is the more time the dominos need to fall.

Also of course if the orb is very tight, both planets get triggered by transits at the same time.

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Exactly! Synastry's both the best and the worst in that way. Since the car can suddenly materialise before you, and you're going, 'wait, WHAT!?' And SMACK. At least with a transit, you KNOW it's coming. You can watch it. With synastry? BOOM. It's there!

posted April 09, 2015 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

'soft music wafting in from a distant room' (VENUS/NEPTUNE)

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your whole post is SO insightful!

Yet this sentence here madem e go

Why?

Cause I have a DVD lying here beside me, which after so many years has called for me once more.

"Music from another room"

"You know how when you're listening to music playing from another room? And you're singing along because it's a tune that you really love? When a door closes or a train passes so you can't hear the music anymore, but you sing along anyway... then, no matter how much time passes, when you hear the music again you're still in exact same time with it. That's what it's like"

*gulps*

The door has been shut for a long time, but something must have reopened it a tiny little crack. Maybe to my detriment even. lol

Maybe just because coincidentally when I was to Glastonbury Abbey and Tintagel, and Merlin`s cave, the filming of "Knights of the roundtable" started. LIterally some days before.

Funny enough there IS a Venus-Neptune-conjunction. Separating, but at a wider orb. 3°07.

Funny, too, suddenly upon that journey I got so compelled with the history, not the myth. And there it is that I read the name for the first time (no, despite my love of myths, I never ever looked beyond the late medieval romance, most of it probably fiction anyway): Vortigern.

And then upon coming home just to realize he took over this role, of the man I had never heard before, just WHEN I got (re)introduced with the (re)membrance.

I am still in awe at how timelines intersect. For real. lol

Sorry I got a little caught up in this.

I should look into the separating and applying aspects.

Funny enough his Neptune conjunct my ASC at 0°55 is SEPARATING
whily my Neptune conjunct his ASC at 0°51 is APPLYING.

Funny right?

posted April 09, 2015 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
well, no negative karma attached to separating aspects per se.

and certainly not with a Moon-Mars-trine.

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posted April 09, 2015 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I explained it to a friend of mine, likening a conjunction to an oncoming car, with you as the pedestrian in the road.

At around, say, 8º00-6º00 orb, you can hear it speeding in the distance, ready to round the corner.

At 5º00-3º00, it's made the corner. You can see it barrelling towards you.

At 2º00, it's in front of you. Maybe you have enough time to dodge it. Possibly.

At 1º00-0º30, it's RIGHT on you. There's NO way. It's GOING to hit you.

Then, at 0º00 -- [b]SMACK!

At -0º00-0º29 (separating) it's JUST hit you, and you're lying there in the road, thinking, 'anybody get the licence plate on that truck?'

At about -1º00-0º30, you're unsteadily back to your feet, recovering.

By -2º00-4º00, now it's a recent thing; your memory of it is vivid.

At -4º00-8º00, you're a bit sensitive to it, but healed, and the memory is fading.

That seemed to really help him understand how the orbs can work in 'practise'. The 0º00 'smack!' is always there somewhere -- whether it happened (separating) or is going to (applying) with the orb denoting the distance from that event.[/B]

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posted April 09, 2015 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
MOON trine MARS to me feels like the endorphin rush after working out together. Since it's physical, there's a dose of oxytocin, too. You feel warm, (body temperature elevated) but soothed, and not yet sore. You can just melt into each other's arms and bask in the afterglow of the activity -- whether it's post-sex, post-workout, or post-running for your lives from zombies.

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posted April 09, 2015 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
i like the 'post-running for your lives from zombies' LOL

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posted April 09, 2015 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
your whole post is SO insightful!

Yet this sentence here madem e go

Why?

Cause I have a DVD lying here beside me, which after so many years has called for me once more.

"Music from another room"

"You know how when you're listening to music playing from another room? And you're singing along because it's a tune that you really love? When a door closes or a train passes so you can't hear the music anymore, but you sing along anyway... then, no matter how much time passes, when you hear the music again you're still in exact same time with it. That's what it's like"

*gulps*

The door has been shut for a long time, but something must have reopened it a tiny little crack. Maybe to my detriment even. lol

Maybe just because coincidentally when I was to Glastonbury Abbey and Tintagel, and Merlin`s cave, the filming of "Knights of the roundtable" started. LIterally some days before.

Funny enough there IS a Venus-Neptune-conjunction. Separating, but at a wider orb. 3°07.

Funny, too, suddenly upon that journey I got so compelled with the history, not the myth. And there it is that I read the name for the first time (no, despite my love of myths, I never ever looked beyond the late medieval romance, most of it probably fiction anyway): Vortigern.

And then upon coming home just to realize he took over this role, of the man I had never heard before, just WHEN I got (re)introduced with the (re)membrance.

I am still in awe at how timelines intersect. For real. lol

Sorry I got a little caught up in this.

I should look into the separating and applying aspects.

Funny enough his Neptune conjunct my ASC at 0°55 is SEPARATING
whily my Neptune conjunct his ASC at 0°51 is APPLYING.

Funny right?

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I 'felt' you in that, for sure, Ceri. My fingers had a mind of their own, and followed along with my brain's, 'now, now, let's not forget the lovely bits.' And -- bam -- there was VENUS/NEPTUNE, and immediately after - feeling - Ceri - typing, 'music wafting in from another room.'

It is amazing how these things work.

I reckon you took to the stage yourself 'elsewhere'. Troubling thing is, we can't fit it ALL into a single lifeline, and yet, some of us HAVE to pull in those dearest loves from all over. For some greater purpose we don't yet realise? Ah, there IS the rub.

I can't believe I missed this film; I'm going to have to see it. '98 ... I forget when he started doubling for Jude. I know he did so for A I: Artificial Intelligence, but that wasn't the first he'd done.

posted April 09, 2015 05:54 PM            

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Positive applying = the faster object is behind and breaking a sweat to catch up

Negative applying = the faster object is already ahead and creating the aspect by sheer force (speed); you could consider it "pulling along", or "paving the way"

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Positive separating = the faster object is finally ahead and has left the slower one in the dust

Negative separating = the faster object is still behind, but making tenacious headway for the next aspect; "past one hurdle, onto the next"

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Positive values are easiest to visualize as a direct challenge, as you can just picture, say, the SUN zooming up from behind a slowpoke like PLUTO (positive applying), and then leaving him in a cloud of dust (positive separating).