posted April 12, 2015 06:17 AM            

I wanted to reply to your article about romantic houses placement and rulers, etc.. I was wondering what is your take on planets in 1st house and also conjunct the ascendant in terms of romantic attraction.

Many thanks

posted April 14, 2015 02:08 AM            

How’s it going these days? Is there a specific person you have in mind for this question?

Before I get into details, I’d like to point out that there are two different types of attraction.

1. Physical attraction. Physical attraction is shown by interplanetary synastry in through the traditional physical attraction aspects. Most people on LL are familiar with those… Venus/Mars, Sun/Moon, Moon/Mars, Venus/Uranus, and so on. These types of aspects can make people look good to us on a physical level, but we won’t necessarily see them as our ‘type’ for a long term relationship unless other factors support it. Aspects to the Asc from planets like Venus or Mars can certainly indicate plain old physical attraction as well.

2. Psychological attraction. Psychological attraction shows when people match the traits, style, and characteristics, of our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. That is, our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses combined show the different types of qualities we have the potential to be attracted to, and how we are attracted to them (in a 5th house way, a 7th house way, or an 8th house way). As you know, if our 7th house ruler is in Libra we are often attracted to those with Libra planets. The 5th, 7th, and 8th houses show our ‘type’ for long term love. If someone has a Libra planet actually conjunct our 7th house ruler this makes the psychological attraction to that person even stronger. In fact aspects to our 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers can make us psychologically attracted to someone even if their planets are not in signs we’re usually psychologically attracted to. This is because they can press our buttons and stimulate feelings in us relative to the house ruler that they’re aspecting. Actual aspects to the 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers do seem to have a small bit of physical attraction as well… But this seems to be mixed in with a strong psychological attraction, and is not as strong as a regular interplanetary attraction aspect (for actual physical attraction that is). In my view, psychological attraction still needs to be supported by a regular physical attraction aspects like Venus/Mars or Sun/Moon, and whatnot. That being said, if we have physical attraction aspects, and no psychological attraction connections (5th, 7th, and 8th house overlays, house ruler aspects, and symbolism matches… You have Sun in the 7th and your partner is a Leo), then while the person my look good to you, you won’t be able to imagine yourself marrying them.

The conclusion here is that both physical and psychological attraction is needed for a ‘complete’ attraction to develop.

Okay, okay, I’m getting to the 1st house synastry part now. The 1st house itself is not a romantic attraction house… That is, it doesn’t show a romantic psychological attraction to someone else just by itself. There are exceptions to this rule and I’ll cover those in a bit. What the 1st house is very good at is showing physical attraction. Conjunctions to the Asc are especially good at showing physical attraction, or even just being comfortable physically with someone. Conjunctions of Mars, Venus, and to some extent the Sun and the Moon, can show physical attraction. Other aspects to the Asc from these planets can also show physical attraction.

There are special circumstances in which the 1st house can show psychological attraction as well. I think I’ve talked about secondary houses with you on other threads. If someone has the sign Aries on the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses this shows they can be psychologically attracted to someone who strengthens their sense of identity, and ability to put themselves forward. If Aries is on the 5th, 7th, or 8th house cusp, then the 1st house becomes a secondary psychological attraction house. So those that strongly influence the 1st house in your chart could hold an attraction to you. This may even be the case if Mars is in one of these houses. The 1st house can also become a psychological attraction house if one of the 5th, 7th, or 8th house rulers are in the 1st house, giving the person an attraction to their own Asc sign.

This is one other possibility for attraction to the 1st house. The 5th, 7th, and 8th houses show the majority of our taste in personality. However, the gender planets have some influence on our romantic taste as well. For a women, a guy’s Asc in the same sign as her Sun, Mars, or Venus, can attract her to his external traits to a certain extent. For a guy, a women’s Asc being in the same sign as his Moon or Venus can attract him to her external traits to some extent as well. Tight conjunctions are the most potent. Venus works for both men and women. But for a guy, Mars on the Asc of a women will only show a physical attraction, and the psychological attraction will have to come from other parts of the synastry… Unless in the guy’s chart Mars rules one of the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses. Then the story is totally different. If the Asc of our partner conjuncts one of our 5th, 7th, or 8th house ruler this will increase our attraction to them. This can work even if our house ruler is just in the same sign as the partner’s Asc. Our parnter’s Asc falling into our 5th, 7th, or 8th houses will have a similar effect. It will create a strong psychological attraction to their external traits.

So yeah, the 1st house is always good at showing basic physical attraction but it only shows psychological attraction (someone being our ’type’) under special circumstances. It’s a case by case thing. We have to look at the natal charts in detail to see why this is, or why this is not, for each person in a relationship.

posted April 14, 2015 06:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
The 1st house can also become a psychological attraction house if one of the 5th, 7th, or 8th house rulers are in the 1st house, giving the person an attraction to their own Asc sign.

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this is very true for me. Ruler of 7th and 1st house are both in 1st house. Ruler of secondary 8th house conjuncts ASC itself.

Additionally Mars on my ASC and Venus (along with Sun) in 1st house.

so my attraction pattern is very clearly aiming at my own 1st house and I react strongly to the vibration, and instead of familiar like a boring pair of old shoes, it is familiarity with a clear spark of romance for me (and oftentimes feels downright sexy).

BUT I also realize that this is not true for everyone else. So I basically agree with Lotis here - like always, I am boring like that.

posted April 14, 2015 08:37 AM            

My natal relationship profile, both in romantic relationships and friendships made me experience this overlay many many times and I can attest to this, in addition to my experience with various charts. Many of my "admirers" (people who like me, find me beautiful in and out, find me a compatible personality with theirs, my friends) have something in Aqua (Sun Venus Moon, many times) or late Capricorn or early Pisces. Out of those, I of course responded to those matching my love profile. As I noticed with other charts as well, it can even become annoying (apart from initially feeling flattered) if they don't match the said profile.
Also, I experience the mutual 1st house overlay with a great deal of my friends or romantic interests and it is a very strong and compatible mutual overlay in romantic relationships and friendships.

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posted April 14, 2015 08:55 AM            

I would like that a LOT

Maybe it also means then that I am attracted to those who seem to be attracted to me, maybe even BECAUSE of that scenario.

in fact it seems to me like Mr Sag always knows first where I am, he is the one on stage and all, and yet he seems to see me first most of the times. And in fact though I generally liked him from first glance (no, not true, he made me getting all grumpy and judgemental. lol), it was pretty much the fact that he payed attention to me, that made me more aware of him. Which sort of seems like the way backwards. lol

His Sun, Moon (and MC, and chartruler Neptune and DESC-ruler Mercury) are in my 1st house.

Funny enough Mr Law`s Sun, Mercury and Venus are in my 1st house as well (and my ASC is on the exact position of his Venus/Mars-midpoint, almost in conjunction to both. lol)

While we did not talk of course, my friend mentioned that when he was wishing the whole audience a good new year, he seemed to be unduly focused on me.

nothing big jsut, I don´t know, I suppose you are right. There was a little attention directed at me, fleeting as it may have been.

Unfortunately then Mr Eyecandy`s Sun is in my 4th house, moon in my 9th, Venus and Mars in my 3rd house (Mars conj. IC though) - I suppose that one`s attention to get is not that easy. lol

posted April 14, 2015 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"In my experience, the planet person almost always likes the 1st house, especially with Sun Venus Moon, Mars is indeed the one showing the intense physical attraction from the Mars person,"

I would like that a LOT

Maybe it also means then that I am attracted to those who seem to be attracted to me, maybe even BECAUSE of that scenario.

in fact it seems to me like Mr Sag always knows first where I am, he is the one on stage and all, and yet he seems to see me first most of the times. And in fact though I generally liked him from first glance (no, not true, he made me getting all grumpy and judgemental. lol), it was pretty much the fact that he payed attention to me, that made me more aware of him. Which sort of seems like the way backwards. lol

His Sun, Moon (and MC, and chartruler Neptune and DESC-ruler Mercury) are in my 1st house.

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Yes, I would think so, Ceri, it could also mean you, being such a strong 1st houser, are attracted to a mirror effect in synastry as well. I am an 8th houser, and it has to be some strong 8th house (directly or indirectly, through Pluto or Scorpio) in my synastries for me to be attracted.

For the second part of your quote, it makes perfect sense to me: someone putting so many attraction planets in your 1st would definitely notice you in a crowd, this is what happens, in my experience, with 1st house overlays, you always stand out for the planets falling there, it's a strong recognition/attraction factor.

If Saturn is there, you could stand out as in need for some critique/adjustments or protection lol Jupiter is protective towards the 1st house as well.

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posted April 14, 2015 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
In my experience, the planet person almost always likes the 1st house, especially with Sun Venus Moon, Mars

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I agree that the planet person often really likes and admires the Asc person. Really liking someone is not the same as romantic attraction though. You need something extra for that...

The gender planets on the Asc can indicate romantic attraction for the planet person to a certain extent. Like Venus conjunct the Asc usually does, for instance. But this attraction is mild and incomplete if there is nothing else to back it up except the Asc connection. There might be a strong attraction to the person's look and mannerisms, and some of their general outlook. But if the Sun and Moon in particular don’t fit in with our attraction pattern (5th, 7th, 8th houses) we soon realize our interest in that person doesn’t go very deep, we can’t quite completely fall for them as deeper parts of their psychology are revealed. It’s starts to feel like something’s missing even though their external vibe looks and feels so good to us. However, if the person’s Asc makes important conjunctions to our gender planets, and they also match our attraction pattern with the rest of their chart, the result can be pretty magical. Intense attraction.

posted April 14, 2015 06:39 PM            

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. The 1st house can also become a psychological attraction house if one of the 5th, 7th, or 8th house rulers are in the 1st house, giving the person an attraction to their own Asc sign.

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OR... if one of those rulers is in Aries? (his 7th ruler is Saturn in ~intercepted~ Aries in the 10th square the ASC)

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For a women, a guy’s Asc in the same sign as her Sun, Mars, or Venus, can attract her to his external traits to a certain extent. For a guy, a women’s Asc being in the same sign as his Moon or Venus can attract him to her external traits to some extent as well. Tight conjunctions are the most potent. Venus works for both men and women. But for a guy, Mars on the Asc of a women will only show a physical attraction, and the psychological attraction will have to come from other parts of the synastry… Unless in the guy’s chart Mars rules one of the 5th, 7th, or 8th houses.

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Gosh.. exactly what I have with my new crush ^^.
My Venus on his Asc (4,5) and his Mars on my Asc (3). Still not sure if this is only a physical thing... but he has THE looks for me, I swear! Plus this feels like a moth to a flame ~~~

His 5th ruler is on Scorp... but that isn't ruled by Mars, is it?

posted April 14, 2015 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:

His 5th ruler is on Scorp... but that isn't ruled by Mars, is it?

PS; my Sun also in his 1st (next to Venus).

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Yes, Mars co-rules Scorpio with Pluto. So that's a valid connection.

I haven't paid much attention to the signs of the 5th, 7th and 8th house rulers in relations to secondary houses. I usually look at the cusp sign. My 7th house cusp in Gemini, shows my 3rd house is my secondary 7th house, and so I'm actually quite attracted to planets in my 3rd house. My 7th house ruler is Sagittarius and if I were to use that too, it would mean I'd also be attracted to my 9th house... I haven't noticed a major attraction to planets in my 9th house, but I do find the characteristics of my 9th house symbolism attractive. It's in Leo, and I have Mars in Leo in the 9th. However, my 5th house cusp is Aries ruled by Mars in Leo so there's some symbolic overlap there. I'm also totally attracted to planets in my 5th house.

I suppose it's possible to be attracted to the house associated with the 7th house ruler's sign? But I've generally drawn the line at using the cusp signs to calculate secondary houses just because otherwise there's too much data. That doesn't rule out the possibility that it could work though. So there's potential that his 7th house ruler in Aries could indicate some attraction to his 1st house. If his Dsc is Capricorn, the 10th house will show his taste as well... The MC sign, planets in the 10th house, and the 10th house ruler by sign and house and aspect.

posted April 17, 2015 03:05 AM            

I suddenly got a very verrry deep feeling that our synastry just isn't *IT*. It was as if I suddenly saw the/our big ASTRO pic objectively ... (astrological flashes of all kind to get this NO sum)

posted April 17, 2015 04:09 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Lotis...

I suddenly got a very verrry deep feeling that our synastry just isn't *IT*. It was as if I suddenly saw the/our big ASTRO pic objectively ... (astrological flashes of all kind to get this NO sum)

I wonder if you would come to the same conclusion. If time.. rembember me ;D

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posted April 18, 2015 03:39 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
OK, sorry yea, a bit unclear.. must have been the effect of some grass I smoked hehe.

Well what I meant was that I suddenly saw no potential at ALL between our charts. And I was curious if you would see the same...

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I'd have to see them to know.

posted April 19, 2015 03:35 PM            

Thanks too to other members of the forum for their contribution.

Regards
NS

posted May 02, 2016 03:55 PM            

I apologize for not having replied properly to "my thread" but I was going through a very tough period that I found it hard to get the motivation to even check the forum.

i will write back tomorrow. there was some analysis from my own experience that I wanted to feedback.

posted May 04, 2016 04:56 AM            

I tend to see the composite as sort of different experiences we need to grow. we attract certain types of relationships depending on what type of themes are natally triggered. some composites has some heavy saturn and the individuals may not have heavy saturn in their natals or their synastry, but one of them is experiencing a saturn transit or progression and then need to brings to its life the more saturnian experiences as possible. then, the individual falls in love with someone with whom they create a saturnian relationship. the other (non experiencing saturn transit) may not perceive the relationship as saturnian as the saturn has not connection with his-her chart, but it may fall into somoene moon in natal and then it feels heavy for that person.

I tend to agree with Ceriwden in that if the composite does not touch in a significant way the natal chart, people may decide not to get in that train. I would add that transits may activate the need for a certain type of relationship.

where is the freedom? i believe that composites are sort of fixed within certain latitude. we may decide we dont like chocolate, then we go into another relationship, but we cannot make a chocolate cake a lemon cake. what we can make is how we personally decide to be impacted by the aspects that the composite makes on our chart (progressed, transit) and the progression of the composite to natal as well.

I dont know if I am aswering your question Lotis but to make it short. I do think that the energy of the relationship is felt at individual levels if the composite makes aspects to the natal of individuals. normally an individual play one planet of the composite and the other play depending on their own natal configurations. that dinaymic can change if a person start owning their own natal planet, but it may also mean the end of the need for that type of relationship.