posted April 12, 2015 08:02 AM            

(and that was the third morning in a row I dreamed of him, always feels like short before waking up)

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posted April 12, 2015 08:41 AM            

Looking at the charts I notice quite a number of karmic indicators.

His Karma conjunct your Karma in your 7th and his 8th ~ karma drama??

You also have planets on eachothers skipped step. Are your Nodes squared btw?
Interesting that you have Juno on his SN in his 5th as well. Past life lovers perhaps. lol that's the only thing I can think of. Or atleast themes dealing with commitment.

Both of your 12th house rulers (Venus & Mars) are square so that could explain the dream connection.

Those dracos look quite intense though with all that angle action of Moon-ASC, Saturn-DESC, Venus-DESC!

I'm also finding it interesting that his Draco Eros-Psyche conjunction is on your natal Cupido.

posted April 12, 2015 10:53 AM            

yes I know you are lavender, or have been.

Thanks for looking. To be honest when I first saw our charts, I was quite flabbergasted with the Karma-Karma-conjunction.

He was born in the same year as Mr Sag, just about 9 months prior, and it seems that year Karma and Destinn were walking in step.

Mr Sag also has a conjunction just his are on 3 and 6 Libra (a tad wider), and interestingly falling onto my MC and Draco Karma.

And here with Mr Aries it is falling onto my Karma in 7th house, which I find interesting.

Also while with Mr Sag the Pluto-Moon-trine is on the wide side (a bit over 4 degrees), here his Pluto ends up on a much closer point, and thus there is a resonating Grand Trine consisting of:

my Moon 17°06 Aquarius

my Karma 16°01 Gemini
his Karma 17°18 Gemini
his Destinn 18°07 Gemini

his Pluto 17°48 Libra

It`s just so close in orb, you know? That is guaranteed to get my attention.

Also if we expand the orb a little as I think is valid here, his Sun becomes the apex of a Kite

his Sun 19°19 Aries

Actually there is a second Grand trine of

his Sun 19°19 Aries
my Chiron 20°02 Aries

my Cupido 19°55 Leo
his Union 19°54 Leo

his Neptune 20°25 Sagittarius

You could even say my Moon on 17°06 Aquarius and even more so my Atropos on 19°49 Aquarius transform that in another Kite.

It`s just the alignment seems so "close" somehow.

Actually though there is a very strong and interesting interrelation between Mr Sag`s and his charts (including Mr Aries having ISIS on 6 Aries and Mr Sag having OSIRIS on 5 Aries. lol, both seem to vibrate with my Venus-ISIS-OSIRIS on 6, 8 and 7 Capricorn, though it seems that Mr Aries ISIS is more closely square my OSIRIS at just one degree, while the square of Mr Sag`s OSIRIS to my ISIS is 3 degrees, he does have Draco ISIS exact on my tropical ISIS-OSIRIS though, and we have the exact conjunction in Davison.

However, the synastric links between the two of them are very strong, and maybe that is why I resonate with both charts in different ways. Unsurprisingly they know each other well and are friends, or at least rather closely working together as colleagues.

"~ karma drama??"
Yes, maybe, even though the Karma-Moon-Pluto link looks so nicely trine and in air, but then there is that....

"You also have planets on eachothers skipped step. Are your Nodes squared btw?"
Not in orb, just signwise.

my NN is on 10°09 Sagittarius
his NN is on 17°17 Virgo

"Interesting that you have Juno on his SN in his 5th as well. Past life lovers perhaps."
Judging from those haunting compelling dreams I have lately, yes, and placed in a medieval context clearly. lol

But Karma - Drama I said because of this alignment surrounding HIS nodal axis especially.

his NN 17°17 Virgo
his Moon 17°43 Virgo

his Karma 17°17 Gemini
his Destinn 18°07 Gemini
my Karma 16°01 Gemini

his SN 17°17 Virgo
my Juno 16°58 Virgo

so my Juno-Karma-square docks onto his Moon-Karma-square involving his nodal axis as well. And again, such tight orbs.

For my nodal perspective it is

my NN 10°09 Sag
my NEptune 9°56 Sag

my Jupiter 11°12 Pisces
his Venus 13°54 Pisces
his Priapus 13°13 Pisces

his Saturn 7°50 Virgo

the orbs are wider here, but if you check for the wide orbed Venus and Saturn, their midpoint actually hits 10°52 Sagittarius, in nearly perfect balance with my nodal axis.

(the Saturn-Neptune-square is indicative of karmic emmeshment anyway, and though being semi generational, here it seems a strong theme, hitting my ASC on 7°04 Sagittarius, and also in orb for the square to my Mars and trine to my Venus, hence getting personal and relationship-related.
Interestingly my Saturn is also trine his Venus and sextile his NN)

Of course the mix up of around 17 degrees of the yang signs as well as the Yin signs (Virgo, Pisces, Cancer especially) also heralds the existence of some - possibly overlapping - Yod figures, including both Moons especialyl (they are exactly quinkunx for example).

Checking just for these similiar degrees I find

his Sun 19 Aries

my name asteroid in my chart 17 Taurus

my Karma 16 Gemini
his Karma 17 Gemini
his Destinn 18 gemini

my Saturn 17 Cancer
(his Lust 17 Cancer)

my Cupido 19 Leo
his Union 19 Leo
his mean Lilith 19 Leo (0.00 orb to my Cupido)

his Moon-NN 17 Virgo

his Pluto 17 Libra

my Moon 17 Aquarius

my Juno 17 Pisces

"Both of your 12th house rulers (Venus & Mars) are square so that could explain the dream connection."
do you use the traditional rulers?

Well this square would be really wide though, at 8°44

though interestingly his Mars is also square my Venus (4°00), since his Mars is also rather near to my IC (2°58), it might explain why I feel "thunderstruck".

Oh, that means his DESC-ruler is on my IC. Oh no, not that again!

"Those dracos look quite intense though with all that angle action of Moon-ASC, Saturn-DESC, Venus-DESC! "
Yes, though his actual ASC-degree could be off.

Nevertheless what still is there is
his Dr Venus on my Dr DESC 0°17
his Dr Priapus on my Dr DESC 0°58
his Dr Moon on my Dr ASC 3°33

"I'm also finding it interesting that his Draco Eros-Psyche conjunction is on your natal Cupido."
I did not even realize that!
But you are right of course

his Dr Eros 22°13 Leo
his Dr Psyche 18°31 Leo

my Cupido 19°55 Leo
my Psyche 24°02 Aquarius

so interestingly not only is his Dr Psyche conjunct my tropical Cupido (1°24), but his Dr Eros opposes my tropical Psyche (1°49) as well. Hmm, in fact his pr Eros is just separating from an exact conunction to my natal Psyche as well, which I find so very interesting, as when I first met Mr Sag my pr Psyche had been conjunct his natal Eros. lol

"I also suggest looking up asteroid Somnium (meaning dream) in your synastry."
Good idea.

Also including Hypnos.

Well his HYPNOS on 9 Cancer opposing my ISIS-OSIRIS-SPIRIT, square my Pluto exact

my HYPNOS on 6 Leo opposes his Psyche very closely and Eros a bit wider.

Howe interesting our Hypnos opposes each other`s natal soulmate pairing (my Isis-Osiris, his Eros-Psyche, whcih funny enough are on similiar degrees 7-8 for me 5-9 for him, though just on neighbouring signs)

his Somnium on 00 Scorpio conjunct my Union and Uranus (right between them actually, one degree orb)

my Somnium on almost 25 Leo (ah there this degree comes up again!) is near his Union, tough not conjunct. 5 degrees. But I wonder if it is near enough to make for a composite alignment.

Yes, a loose one, conjunction of Union on 24 Virgo and Somnium on 27 Virgo in 10th house, opposing Atropos on 26 PIsces and Juno on 29 Pisces.

*Sighs* Can`t evade the unavoidable I suppose. Atropos I mean. she keeps raising her head (in Mr Sag`s and my case she is conjunct Chiron and opposing Union in the composite, but on 29 Aries-Libra)

posted April 12, 2015 10:57 AM            

Well int he composite of my parents she is right between ASC and Pluto, ruler of the intercepted 4th house (3 and 2 degree conjunction).
I guess for them it was more the unavoidable, the need to form a family.

posted April 12, 2015 11:44 AM            

Wow ... KARMA-KARMA. KARMA-DESTINN .... his SUN closely on your CHIRON. Oof.

PALLAS-EROS intrigues me. I have that, 0š30, with my Guardian. And I'm PALLAS, too.

He's got a PSYCHE-EROS natally. Huh. Yeah, there's some 'stuff' here.

posted April 12, 2015 12:00 PM            

Wow. Okay. Wow.

Lav, I had NO idea that was you. I swear it. There were at least 7 new registrations, and it didn't even ...

:foreheadslap:

Okay. So, HERE's the wow part.

I felt SO ... inexplicably protective of you. With my 'friends' I can be rather forthright. But ... I didn't 'know you' at all. And STILL, I just threw caution to the wind, and thought, no, she NEEDS to take care of herself. This could be bad, and I'm not taking chances.

Didn't even see the birthdate, or 'register' the chart in my head. That's hilarious. Man. soul connexions run deep. And not just our perceptions of them!

posted April 12, 2015 02:08 PM            

orb is 7°07

"Wow ... KARMA-KARMA. KARMA-DESTINN .... his SUN closely on your CHIRON. Oof."
Yes, exactly. lol
What does it mean though?

"PALLAS-EROS intrigues me."
Yes me, too, especialy since his PALLAS is conjunct my PSYCHE as well.

" I have that, 0š30, with my Guardian. And I'm PALLAS, too."
What do you think it does?

"He's got a PSYCHE-EROS natally. Huh. Yeah, there's some 'stuff' here."
Yes, I noticed that, too. I have actually Psyche-Cupido (contraparallel).
and of course Isis-Osiris-conjunction.

BTW his CUPIDO trines my PSYCHE (1°27), not exact, but still intriguing enough.

"Is it his MOON-VALENTINE square your NODES?"
Orbs would be too wide I guess.

Moon-NN: 7°34
Valentine-NN: 2°34

Though I find it interesting that our pr composite for 16th may shows this:

p Moon 25°24 Libra
p NN 26°38 Libra
p VALENTINE 26°42 Libra

" And, do you have JUNO as a skipped step, natally?"
No, the orb would be 6°48

However Jupiter clearly IS a skipped step: 1°02 is the orb.

Of course my Jupiter and Juno, though not conjunct, are quite close to each other (5°46)

and his Venus-Priapus-conjunction falls right into the middle between them.

posted April 12, 2015 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Speaking of ATropos, I am still trying to figure out if she is a doomed-sign or just pointing out the unavoidable things you have to go through.

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posted April 12, 2015 03:03 PM            

Though I could imagine that the planet aligned with Atropos shows WHAT is inevitable.

With Pluto it might be a "death-rebirth" scenario, transformation is inevitable. for my parents Pluto rules the 4th house and is on the ASC, while they are a very strong couple, it is also true that they were nurturing my mom`s father and dad`s father and mother, when they were approaching their death. It might have been ONE face of Pluto-ATropos, the transformation in the home was inevitable.

With Mr SAg`s and my Chiron-aTropos-link in composite, the pain might be inevitable. But of course it does not stop there with Chiron.

As I see it when Chiron is activated you are being "layed bare naked", everything you experience as wounded is being activated, opened, illuminated, you can`t hide it anylonger, which especially for me is difficult, with my natal Chiron on our composite SN exact. It is his natal Pluto on the c-NN and opposing my Chiron that powerfully pulls on that.

But anyway, so composite Chiron, in 3rd house - I guess there is especially a woundedness, a great vulnerability when it comes to communication, daily communication (and is that not true!), SN is also in 3rd house in Aries, just a few degrees prior to that.

The pain that comes with it, is not only bordering the unbearable, but als inevitable, unavoidable.
But the pain is ALSO necessary to start healing.

Like the fact that you bring an open wound in contact with the fresh air, it will stop festering and start healing, even though it may look ugly on the outside nad start itching like hell,b ut those are sideeffects of the healing.

posted April 12, 2015 03:26 PM            

There`s a widish conjunction of ATROPOS and JUNO (2°16), opposing LANCELOT (2°43 - 0°27) - what I find most curious about it is Juno on 29 Pisces, literally the very last degree of the zodiac, preparing to enter a new cycle, a new stage perhaps?

Well my Juno on his SN, clearly speaks to a Juno-theme coming from the past or at least one that is a familiar one, and here she is almost embarking on a new cycle, but still joined with Atropos. hmm.

I am not quite sure what that means, but it feels like it means... something.

BTW his own Juno trines my NN (1°07), while i usually do not pay really a lot attention to trines to the nodal axis, here it is a DW. so it might be not so unimportant.

posted April 15, 2015 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Wow. Okay. Wow.

Lav, I had NO idea that was you. I swear it. There were at least 7 new registrations, and it didn't even ...

:foreheadslap:

Okay. So, HERE's the wow part.

I felt SO ... inexplicably protective of you. With my 'friends' I can be rather forthright. But ... I didn't 'know you' at all. And STILL, I just threw caution to the wind, and thought, no, she NEEDS to take care of herself. This could be bad, and I'm not taking chances.

Didn't even see the birthdate, or 'register' the chart in my head. That's hilarious. Man. soul connexions run deep. And not just our perceptions of them!

Sorry for not grandly re-welcoming you, NV. I've been quite a space case for the last week. But at least 3 cases of 11:11! So there's that.

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Hi Auby

Aw <3 that's so sweet. Thank you.

And no worries at all, we're all a little spaces out at times heh. I've been too, with Tr. Neptune opposing my Sun.

posted April 15, 2015 11:41 PM            

"It`s just so close in orb, you know? That is guaranteed to get my attention."

Yes, definite!
Have you met Mr. Aries in person?

"However, the synastric links between the two of them are very strong, and maybe that is why I resonate with both charts in different ways. Unsurprisingly they know each other well and are friends, or at least rather closely working together as colleagues."

Wow! Now THAT would make one really entertaining movie/drama if it were one.
That's very interesting though.
How would you say your feel towards him compared to Mr. Sag? Do you feel the same familiarity or is it stronger with Mr. Aries?

"Yes, maybe, even though the Karma-Moon-Pluto link looks so nicely trine and in air, but then there is that...."

Haha well with Pluto the depth and intensity of it is always inevitable.

"so my Juno-Karma-square docks onto his Moon-Karma-square involving his nodal axis as well. And again, such tight orbs."

Oh my!
Now can it get anymore obvious than this.... lol. Definite alternate-life soul connection here.

"do you use the traditional rulers?
Well this square would be really wide though, at 8°44
though interestingly his Mars is also square my Venus (4°00), since his Mars is also rather near to my IC (2°58), it might explain why I feel "thunderstruck"."
Oh, that means his DESC-ruler is on my IC. Oh no, not that again! "

Yes I use traditional rules along with the modern ones.

Ah, my bad. It's hard go make out what the orbs are.

How do you feel his Mars on your IC?
My Mars is conjunct Virgo guy's IC ruler and I'm curious.

"Nevertheless what still is there is
his Dr Venus on my Dr DESC 0°17
his Dr Priapus on my Dr DESC 0°58
his Dr Moon on my Dr ASC 3°33"

I think this says a lot in terms of soul connection!

"Well his HYPNOS on 9 Cancer opposing my ISIS-OSIRIS-SPIRIT, square my Pluto exact
my HYPNOS on 6 Leo opposes his Psyche very closely and Eros a bit wider.
Howe interesting our Hypnos opposes each other`s natal soulmate pairing (my Isis-Osiris, his Eros-Psyche, whcih funny enough are on similiar degrees 7-8 for me 5-9 for him, though just on neighbouring signs)"

posted April 16, 2015 01:08 PM            

it just surprised me that he seemed to see me. Well he very certainly did last year, but what surprised me was the way he was looking at where I was sitting 3 weeks ago; maybe he did not even see me, sais reason, I was sitting in 11th row I think. Yet, well you know how you can feel if someone REALLY sees you, that energetical connection from one pair of eyes to the other?
THAT was there, not as piercing as it usually is with Mr Sag, but it was as if I could feel his look somewhere "inside". It`s hard to explain, and I have seen enough musicals to know those professional "un-seeing" glances.
And this felt so very different from that.

I just wonder why? And how?

I mean 11th row, okay? Well I WAS standing upright at that moment, and I was the only woman there wearing white. lol A very gleaming white long shirt (that by now has gotten rather longish).

But still it surprisd me.
Well I had noticed some small glances into my direction from above (he was sort of playing some of the scenes from a bridges, which was above the audiences heads, making us look up there, and it seemed like he looked into my direction then as well). But I figured it was just coincidental staging, until during the Bows (you know when it gets a little more lighted in the audience) he came up on my side of the stage, and looked so directly at me. Which I know is probably unlikely. But this look, it felt like it had "substance", like I was being literally hit by something almost "solid".

Of course that kinda intrigued me. lol

But no we haven`t met, possibly because I refused to (unintentionally).
I remember that especially for the last 2 years his name was being mentioned quite a lot towards me.
Most clearly last year when seeing "Artus", and the woman sitting beside me starting to talk to me (she was there to see him on stage, as she was a fan, and was semi amused how it seemed like he was so much more interested in looking at me. To be fair though back then Mr Sag seemed much more intersted in looking at her as well. It made us almost giggle a bit. lol)

Anyway she suggested - very determinedly- to go backstage and get an autograph and picture or whatever. And she was very very persistent about that. But I told her I donīt do autographs (which is true, Itold Mr Sag myself as well, which was not the most brilliant move I admit. lol), but anyway so I did not accompany her backstage or to the stage door but preferred to leave and walk home through the pouring rain (it was raining such a lot, and most people were staying near to the theatre to wait for it to stop, but I just felt I was in a hurry so I di dnot have the luxury to wait for the rain to stop. In a way you could say I felt like running away from ther as fast as possible. lol).

And recently well there was a concert tour scheduled with Mr Sag and others, and one of the concerts would have taken them near to the city I live. VERY near. It would have been the only concert Mr Sag couldn`t be a part of, instead they hired Mr Aries to fill in for him.
But the tour was cancelled as a whole anyway.

And then I remember another concert 2 years ago, two concerts fell onto the same day, one musical-concert including Mr Aries, another one having Mr Sag.
I chose to see Mr Sag on stage, though it was really a last-moment-decision.

And well then on my last birthday my aunt gave me as a gift the ticket for the musical I saw 3 weeks ago, where Mr Aries was on stage.
Since it was a gift THIS TIME I couldnīt evade it. lol

it is of course just a coincidence but I find it amusing how it almost seems like several chance encounters and events were "preparing" me to a greater awareness of him, though I declined most opportunities to see him.

"How would you say your feel towards him compared to Mr. Sag?"
That`s a tough one.

Mr Aries is cute and what he sais and how he thinks - well I like the way he is thinking, there is a lot of warmth.
Nevertheless I do remember EXACTLY how it was when I saw him as Lancelot last year. He was first on stage (Mr Sag had a later entrance), and I was semi relieved- semi amused thinking: "He`s really cute. Thank God I still can think of other guys as cute. So thre ARE other options after all!"

I have no clue where that last sentence came from, but that is what I have been thinking (not that he is even a real "option" ).

And that was making me feel almost serene and cheerful, to know that maybe the spell was broken and I could turn my attention to others and they would be just as good or bad as the other option.

Well I believed that until Mr Sag came on stage. The moment he did it was like he sucked in all oxygene in the room and with that focused all attention just on him.
Ther was not really anyone else beside him in that theatrical dimension (though the whole ensemble was with him on stage). he WAS the centre of this particular universe, or a black hole swallowing all energy. I have not made up my mind yet.

It doesnīt cange the fact that Mr Aries is REALLY cute and crushworthy.
But it also doesnīt make my instinctive visceral response to Mr Sag any less valid. I may curse it (oh yes I do), but that response is there if I want it or not.

Oh well, but that doesnīt mean I am going to stand still.

I once read a proverb in an I ging book:
that said approximately that sometimes the best we can do is exchange the love we think we need for the love we receive.

Oh and I found another one while looking for the one I did not find again. lol

"When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.

Helen Keller"

Not saying this is what it is, but I want o keep an open mind.
And no matter how I presently feel about Mr Sag, it was not always that way, or I was not aware of it, I donīt know. It took me a long time to even accept I might like him a little.

What is alarming to me a little is that I am using the same excuses now as I did then.

" Do you feel the same familiarity or is it stronger with Mr. Aries?"
No, noone feels as familiar as Mr Sag. For all external differences, in a way he feels like... me.
(which includes all the complicatedness. lol that gets magnified, if you have two of this kind. And sometimes someone different might be just what the doctor prescribed. )

Mr aries does feel very familiar as well though, but in a different way, that I can`t really grasp or understand yet.
Oh and interestingly his looks also (like Jude in "Cold Mountain" ) fit the man I was drawing when I was about 12 years old I think. Only man I ever drew, blonde, green eyes (and for some reason he was smoking. lol) - I have no clue why I was drawing this picture. I never really liked to draw anyway, and was a little puzzled after I was looking down on it afterwards.

"How do you feel his Mars on your IC? "
Intensely. Possibly magnifies the Mars-Venus-square and Mars-Mars-trine. Oh an dhis Mars is exact trine my Amor as well (his Amor trines my Venus by under 2 degrees).

Maybe that is why he could get into my dreams so easily, following the ecclipse that took place on the Aries point hence in conjunction with his Mars.

however Mars on one`s IC, can also feel too much at times, too raw, too demanding, but with a conjunction the bottom of my soul (IC) is made of Aries anyway so an Aries-Mars there sort of fits the agenda.