posted April 15, 2015 11:33 AM            

My 12th house cupido and psyche oppose there karma exact
There cupido oppose my karma in the 11th exact
Also there cupido conjunct my valentine as well in the 5th.

I know this may be hard to tell but I guess there would have to be more investigation but I would just want to know a short opinion of this aspect from anyone??

posted April 15, 2015 03:42 PM            

How would this interplay cupido opposite karma DW under 2 degrees .. I notice cupido is very strong between the synastry.

posted April 15, 2015 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
763, the obs are very tight they are under 2 degrees

How would this interplay cupido opposite karma DW under 2 degrees .. I notice cupido is very strong between the synastry.

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A quick note on orbs here:

Under 2º is not 'very tight' in regards to asteroids. Rather, they're definitely valid.

If we'll accept a 9º orb for a wide conjunction in synastry, then consider this conversion of the asteroid equivalent.

0º00-0º15 : 0º00-0º45
0º15-0º30 : 0º45-1º30
0º30-0º45 : 1º30-2º15
0º45-1º00 : 2º15-3º00
1º00-1º15 : 3º00-3º45
1º15-1º30 : 3º45-4º30
1º30-1º45 : 4º30-5º15
1º45-2º00 : 5º15-6º00
2º00-2º15 : 6º00-6º45
2º15-2º30 : 6º45-7º30
2º30-2º45 : 7º30-8º15
2º45-3º00 : 8º15-9º00

So, if your asteroid aspect is 'under 2º' it depends if it's on the 0º30 side, or 1º30 side, as the equivalent in (wide) planetary synastry is maximum 5º15 at 2º00 asteroid orb. Now, if it's around 0º30, then it's considered very tight. But once it breaks 1º00, with asteroids, it's the equivalent of 3º00 in 'regular orb' synastry.

posted April 15, 2015 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
A quick note on orbs here:

Under 2º is not 'very tight' in regards to asteroids. Rather, they're definitely valid.

If we'll accept a 9º orb for a wide conjunction in synastry, then consider this conversion of the asteroid equivalent.

0º00-0º15 : 0º00-0º45
0º15-0º30 : 0º45-1º30
0º30-0º45 : 1º30-2º15
0º45-1º00 : 2º15-3º00
1º00-1º15 : 3º00-3º45
1º15-1º30 : 3º45-4º30
1º30-1º45 : 4º30-5º15
1º45-2º00 : 5º15-6º00
2º00-2º15 : 6º00-6º45
2º15-2º30 : 6º45-7º30
2º30-2º45 : 7º30-8º15
2º45-3º00 : 8º15-9º00

So, if your asteroid aspect is 'under 2º' it depends if it's on the 0º30 side, or 1º30 side, as the equivalent in (wide) planetary synastry is maximum 5º15 at 2º00 asteroid orb. Now, if it's around 0º30, then it's considered very tight. But once it breaks 1º00, with asteroids, it's the equivalent of 3º00 in 'regular orb' synastry.

See how that works?

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I'm sorry i don't understand, really, i don't understand I really want to learn this let me post the synastry, i really want to learn this correctly I'm having trouble understanding.

posted April 16, 2015 06:13 AM            

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posted April 16, 2015 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Cupido/Karma - bound to experience Cupid's arrow together
It's just one aspect between two asteroids, so it's just a small part of your dynamics; how it plays out depends on the whole synastry.

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well what do you think of the rest of the synastry? ill give you an exchange I'm very desperate to know. =)

posted April 16, 2015 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Cupido/Karma - bound to experience Cupid's arrow together
It's just one aspect between two asteroids, so it's just a small part of your dynamics; how it plays out depends on the whole synastry.

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cupid's arrow to you mean the feeling of liking each others look image of one another?? cause what i read on cupid is more on infatuation correct?

posted April 17, 2015 05:09 AM            

17°VIR33 | CUPIDO
14°PIS09 | KARMA

03° 24' (3 degrees and 24 minutes of orb)

26°LEO04 | KARMA
28°AQU15 | CUPIDO

02° 11' (2 degrees and 11 minutes of orb.)

Now, I'm not harping; you stated you wish to learn. It's important to report correct orb, as it's how we determine impact or influence.

In this case, if you regard my table, your CUPIDO to his KARMA is the equivalent of 9°30 orb, with his CUPIDO opposite your KARMA at what would be around 6°45.

The former is 'out of orb of aspect', meaning it's too weak an influence to be counted. The second is within orb, but it's at about 30% of its strength.

So we'd say that you have a synastric opposition of his CUPIDO to your KARMA that's a valid aspect, but wide, in terms of asteroids.

So there's a push-pull flavour when you don the karmic glasses and view his attraction persona and playful courtship pursuits through that lens. It's as far as it can get, dynamically speaking, meaning some middle ground will have to bring it back around.

Do you have outstanding karma in this area? Ehhhhhh. Oppositions to KARMA are interesting as they show 'something has got to give', meaning the energy is at its apex point -- both repulsive and magnetic. At times, you'll hate it; at others, be intensely drawn to it. Your reasons may stem from behaviours he's exhibited in the past, which register for you on a familiar level.

At the end of the day, not a DW, as it's not within orb in both directions. However, the fact that it's close shows there's a bit of resonant 'feedback' creating a bit of energy shifting direction. Slightly. It's ambient rather than directed.

posted April 17, 2015 07:00 AM            

Now when we deal with the conjunction between his CUPIDO and my valentine would THAT be valid since its a conjunction??
Sorry if I'm asking too many questions I just want to learn correctly

posted April 17, 2015 07:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
A quick note on orbs here:

Under 2º is not 'very tight' in regards to asteroids. Rather, they're definitely valid.

If we'll accept a 9º orb for a wide conjunction in synastry, then consider this conversion of the asteroid equivalent.

0º00-0º15 : 0º00-0º45
0º15-0º30 : 0º45-1º30
0º30-0º45 : 1º30-2º15
0º45-1º00 : 2º15-3º00
1º00-1º15 : 3º00-3º45
1º15-1º30 : 3º45-4º30
1º30-1º45 : 4º30-5º15
1º45-2º00 : 5º15-6º00
2º00-2º15 : 6º00-6º45
2º15-2º30 : 6º45-7º30
2º30-2º45 : 7º30-8º15
2º45-3º00 : 8º15-9º00

So, if your asteroid aspect is 'under 2º' it depends if it's on the 0º30 side, or 1º30 side, as the equivalent in (wide) planetary synastry is maximum 5º15 at 2º00 asteroid orb. Now, if it's around 0º30, then it's considered very tight. But once it breaks 1º00, with asteroids, it's the equivalent of 3º00 in 'regular orb' synastry.

See how that works?

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a ery helpful table

posted April 17, 2015 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
a ery helpful table

what orb would you consider for the other aspects?

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I don't quite understand this table could you happen to explain this for me?? If not I totally understand I'll just wait for auby to explain more in depth

posted April 17, 2015 09:09 AM            

this orb table relates to the thought that "the closer the aspect, the stronger its effect" (stronger = more intense, more immediate and instant; which is my definition of "stronger" in terms of orbs).

Now Auby determined a maximum orb, where an aspect is still felt, here at 9° for the conjunction between major planets.

However in accordance to the "the closer the aspect, the stronger its effect", it is of importance HOW close the aspects are. a 9 degree orbed aspect will feel different than a 1 degree orb one. (as a general rule, there are exceptions to that rule though).

She now took that whole range from 00° - 09° and made categories, steps, a sliding scale from the closest to the widest orb. (something I did myself, just using a different set of orbs, but that is always up for modification anyway).

Personally I would put her orbs in these categories (it is easier for me to get a grasp of fewer categories).

CLOSE
I. 0°00 - 1°30
II. 1°30 - 3°00

Especially aspects falling into the category I will be felt instantly. Like you trigger an instant reaction/ response in each other, transits will activate the aspect simultaneously.

Category II will still be strong and intensely felt.

MEDIUM
III. 3°00 - 6°00

well, as they say medium, however the first half int his category will probably be a little to the stronger side, while the second half will lose some impetus

WIDE
IV. 6°00 - 7°30
V. 7°30 - 9°00

Like music in the distance, fading away, you can possibly still hear it but it will not force all of your attention.

Now these are the orbs for the major planets (not sure how I feel about a 9 degree ocnjunction, but I will keep an open mind about it).

She now added another table for asteroids. asteroids need smaller orbs than major table, and as far as I can see it, she gave them a third of the strength of planetary aspects, hence the orb of the major ones being divided by 3.

In terms of the categories I see in here, this means for asteroids:

CLOSE
I. 0°00 - 0°30
II. 0°30 - 1°00

MEDIUM
III. 1°00 - 2°00

WIDE
IV. 2°00 - 2°30
V. 2°30 - 3°00

At least that is how I understand it, hopefully she will come back and correct me if I misunderstood her.

BTW this is of course a rule of thumb, and there are sometimes special situations, that will make wider orbs be felt more intensely as you would think from this table.

For example with a 9 degree conjunction, if you have a third planet aspecting both of the planets with about 4 or 5 degree orb, this will make a stronger effect than an isolated aspect of 3°00 orb (for major planets).

On the other hand partile aspects will always be very strong, IF they are being activated.

posted April 17, 2015 11:00 AM            

My question how do you determine SQUARES IN A SYNASTRY?? Could you give me an example or auby can you help me how to look for squares on synastry I can see conjunctions and the blue red lines.

posted April 17, 2015 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Yes I seeeeee I understand so much better thank you so muuuucchhh !! Also I have another question whenever you have time so im still learning how sunastry charts works and I noticed how in the synastry the sun square moon was not present in the synastry but I see it if I compare natals

My question how do you determine SQUARES IN A SYNASTRY?? Could you give me an example or auby can you help me how to look for squares on synastry I can see conjunctions and the blue red lines.

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Hi Angelica,

Aries does not square Scorpio. That's a quincunx you're seeing in the natals (if you're talking about the same synastry you mentioned in another thread). The quincunx (or inconjunct) aspect appears in green on astro.com, and it's there in the synastry chart you posted.

posted April 17, 2015 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Hi Angelica,

Aries does not square Scorpio. That's a quincunx you're seeing in the natals (if you're talking about the same synastry you mentioned in another thread).

ARIES and LIBRA square CANCER and CAPRICORN.
TAURUS and SCORPIO square LEO and AQUARIUS.
GEMINI and SAGITTARIUS square VIRGO and PISCES.

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OMG thank you so much!!!! This makes sense thank you!!!!! Xoxoxo!!

posted April 18, 2015 01:00 PM            

Angel, I apologise for confusing you. I didn't realise your level of inexperience until very recently. I naturally assume that if one is using asteroids, they're at a fairly advanced level.

When I began studying (in 1989) the leading theorists on asteroids were Zane Stein (whose focus was centaurs; he pioneered CHIRON's inclusion in basic profiles, as a planetoid rather than asteroid) and Martha Lang-Wescott, who first published on at least 25 asteroid delineations in the early '90s -- she's slowly expanded her knowledge base to include many more.

I never really delved beyond the basic 5 -- CERES, JUNO, VESTA, PALLAS, and CHIRON (as that's how it was classified) until I studied her work in the mid '90s, and it was cursory. I began REALLY exploring my own understanding and research of them only within the past 5 years. So I had 20 years under my belt before that.

Long story short, had asteroid theory been as popular in astrology when I was learning ... would I have pushed ahead and included it in my basic understanding? I'm not sure. I don't think so. I think I'd want to have things such as orbs, aspects, signs, and the planets at the intermediate level of understanding before tackling asteroids.

posted April 19, 2015 02:02 AM            

It's important to have a decent grasp of the major aspects -- conjunction, (0º) sextile (30º), trine (60º), square (90º), and opposition (180º) -- as well as a working knowledge of the signs, houses, and planets.

You can begin adding in some of the more commonly used asteroids and exploring their operation, but it's important to understand aspects and orbs first.