posted April 27, 2015 01:54 PM            

I am the Chiron and it conjuncts his Mercury.
His words does hurt a lot when he wants it. I attempted to break up the relationship based on what he tells me sometimes, as his words reach deeply and hurt me.

The dual power of Chiron comes forward in each one of these occasions - his words wound me yet when he realizes what he had done, he immediately attempts to fix it.
His words become healing and soothing.
When I look at it after the fact, I realize that most of the time I have overreacted to something he had said to me yet at the time it hurt me deeply.

Chiron feels the pain, at least in my experience.

What has been your experience so far?

My Saturn conjuncts tightly his Chiron and I wonder how he feels that. He does tell me that I hurt him sometimes but he will not show it.

posted April 27, 2015 02:01 PM              

It can feel painful for the Chiron person because of the extrem vulnerability, like there is no second skin, no defences against what touches it.

However, personally I have realized very often, that though I might experience it sometimes as painful, it is also very healing and cathartic and opening me up more.

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posted April 27, 2015 03:13 PM              

Chiron is also not scolding anyone, but once having worked through the pain, can receive others with compassion and even a certain maturity/ wisdom, because of this very human experience.

Saturn fears others might see his insecurities and where he is "not enough" and before they can point it out and scold him for that, HE takes control and erects a wall and defenses.

Chiron can`t do that, his issue is actually that he is not able to erect walls around him (though this might be mixed symbolism with Chariklo, his wife. Yes Chiron was married! After having been abandoned by BOTH parents, he still managed to fall in love and have a marriage and family).

Chiron is vulnerability, but mostly towards himself.

Chiron learns to accept his vulnerability (btw vulnus is latin for "wound" ) as part of his being, accepts it for himself.

Saturn learns to be open about his shortcomings and insecurities to others.

At least that is my view as of now. always subject to change though.

posted April 27, 2015 03:16 PM              

Orange, you've got Saturn/Chiron, for example. I have many 'fateful' aspects - a NN/Venus DW to begin with.

posted April 27, 2015 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
What about Chiron and Dsc? A DW - his conjunct mine, mine square his. I'm told this is hard, but can't figure out how I might the causing him pain.

Yes, agree with Ceri. Chiron relationship are cathartic - actually one could say that we learn through hard lessons, and Chiron certainly delivers those.

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I had my Dsc conjunct his Chiron. It wasn't a DW but my Chiron conjunct his MC.

He was the perfect partner for me. He had everything I looked for in a man. He made me think about marriages, and possibly having kids with him. This was SO RARE for me because I'm not into getting married and having families.. etc...

BUT at the same time, he had the bad qualities I DON'T want in a partner. He rarely came to see me. He would say he would drop by. I would get rushed to prepare dinner for him but ditches me in the last minute. He gets moody and I have no idea why. He would be very jealous and suspicious of me.

I was with him for a year and I swear every time I got to see him, it felt like it was the last time I'll ever see him again. I was always expecting him to say "I don't think this is working..." I couldn't tell if he was "in" this with me. Such a confusing time! But then he was the first to say "those three words". I was so shocked, I couldn't believe it!

posted April 27, 2015 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, the stern parent would be rather Saturn.

Chiron is also not scolding anyone, but once having worked through the pain, can receive others with compassion and even a certain maturity/ wisdom, because of this very human experience.

Saturn fears others might see his insecurities and where he is "not enough" and before they can point it out and scold him for that, HE takes control and erects a wall and defenses.

Chiron can`t do that, his issue is actually that he is not able to erect walls around him (though this might be mixed symbolism with Chariklo, his wife. Yes Chiron was married! After having been abandoned by BOTH parents, he still managed to fall in love and have a marriage and family).

Chiron is vulnerability, but mostly towards himself.

Chiron learns to accept his vulnerability (btw vulnus is latin for "wound" ) as part of his being, accepts it for himself.

Saturn learns to be open about his shortcomings and insecurities to others.

At least that is my view as of now. always subject to change though.

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I agree about the second part of your first pararaphs though

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Ah.. thanks for your input, Ceri!

See I have Saturn in 12th, Pisces Sun/Moon. My vulnerability is my insecurity. It gets very mish mesh for me.

Saturn to me doesn't have emotional side as much as Chiron does. Saturn makes me think "why is it so hard to do this and that when I'm putting my best to get it done!!"

Chiron is deeper.. Emotionally painful and the pain brings me back memories of the hard times I went through, and these give me doubts "Am I doing the right thing? Am I making the same mistakes again?"

They are both teachers to me, and maturity is important for sure. Saturn teaches me to keep going forward even if I make mistakes. I will try again. Chiron reminds me that I have my weaknesses and difficulties associated with my weaknesses. Eventually I will learn to deal with the difficulties.

posted April 27, 2015 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Hi YellowG,

Thanks for the example. It seems that your Chiron on his MC was doing most of the healing, whilst his on your DC was inflicting pain. Perhaps both processes were interrelated and necessary.

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posted April 28, 2015 01:49 AM            

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Chiron is also not scolding anyone, but once having worked through the pain, can receive others with compassion and even a certain maturity/ wisdom, because of this very human experience.

Saturn fears others might see his insecurities and where he is "not enough" and before they can point it out and scold him for that, HE takes control and erects a wall and defenses.

Chiron can`t do that, his issue is actually that he is not able to erect walls around him (though this might be mixed symbolism with Chariklo, his wife. Yes Chiron was married! After having been abandoned by BOTH parents, he still managed to fall in love and have a marriage and family).

Chiron is vulnerability, but mostly towards himself.

Chiron learns to accept his vulnerability (btw vulnus is latin for "wound" ) as part of his being, accepts it for himself.

Saturn learns to be open about his shortcomings and insecurities to others.

At least that is my view as of now. always subject to change though.

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posted April 28, 2015 08:37 PM            

To me Chiron symbolizes where we have some type of disability or painful vulnerability. When people remark on our ‘disability’ and ‘personal vulnerability‘, as symbolized by Chiron, it can hurt because it’s like we don’t have any defenses against it. We’re simply broken there (Ceri has a point about the lack of defenses where Chiron is concerned). We yearn for someone who will accept us despite the fact that this part of us is broken, or especially vulnerable. What we fear most is that we’ll be rejected because this part of us is found to be unacceptable by others.

People touching our Chiron touch this sensitive, vulnerable, seemingly broken part of ourselves. Conjunctions show that the other person can both hurt us and help us with our Chiron issues. Whatever the case they highlight these issues for us, and cause us to reexamine them. We grow in our awareness, and often learn to develop better ways of dealing with our pain around people who conjunct our Chiron.

Hard aspects can be devastating. They can makes us feel as if the very things we fear being rejected for, are the things that the other person has reservations about when it comes to us. It can feel as if they judge us for something we can’t really fix about ourselves.

posted April 28, 2015 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I agree that Chiron is the one that hurts in synastry.

To me Chiron symbolizes where we have some type of disability or painful vulnerability. When people remark on our ‘disability’ and ‘personal vulnerability‘, as symbolized by Chiron, it can hurt because it’s like we don’t have any defenses against it. We’re simply broken there (Ceri has a point about the lack of defenses where Chiron is concerned). We yearn for someone who will accept us despite the fact that this part of us is broken, or especially vulnerable. What we fear most is that we’ll be rejected because this part of us is found to be unacceptable by others.

People touching our Chiron touch this sensitive, vulnerable, seemingly broken part of ourselves. Conjunctions show that the other person can both hurt us and help us with our Chiron issues. Whatever the case they highlight these issues for us, and cause us to reexamine them. We grow in our awareness, and often learn to develop better ways of dealing with our pain around people who conjunct our Chiron.

Hard aspects can be devastating. They can makes us feel as if the very things we fear being rejected for, are the things that the other person has reservations about when it comes to us. It can feel as if they judge us for something we can’t really fix about ourselves.

Soft aspects to Chiron are usually very soothing and helpful. They indicate someone who will support us despite our broken bits, someone who is accepting of how we are, and willing to work though it with us. They try and help us maneuver past our person wound, or at least try to help us live with it better.

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WOW Great post and thank you

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posted April 28, 2015 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

WOW Great post and thank you

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posted April 29, 2015 12:44 PM            

But in our composite we have Venus trine Chiron.

posted May 01, 2015 12:26 PM              

Many famous long-term couples have important hard aspects with Chiron, especially to fate markers (angles, nodes) and in draco/tropical synastry (conjunctions). Conjunctions are hard aspects too, they too are devastating, in the sense that they are intense.

Trines and sextiles on their negative side act subversively and supportive of not so good things. Consider a synastry Chiron conjunction supporting a bad habit (such as drug use or abuse) and watch a sextile to it as the major influence making it continue a la longue.

With this view that squares to Chiron are negative aspects to avoid, for example the Pluto/Chiron sq in Newman synastry should have made them kill each other.

Chiron is not just pain/healing, but also awakening, initiation and direction. If we are to look at it from the pain/healing perspective only, I think hard aspects expose the wound in a surgical manner, and the healing provided is radical. The downside is of course, the intensity similar to surgery.

Soft aspects expose and heal in a gentle and supportive manner. Trines and sextiles to Chiron are indeed soothing. Their downside: subversively fueling a wound or a weakness (for example, someone's weakness for your own benefit). With trines and sextiles, the intentions have to be good, otherwise the results can be equally devastating.

And if you need a major awakening, or your chart tells the story of a major transformation/initiation, a simple trine/sextile won't help you and you bet you will find a hard aspect to Chiron in there, when it happens, in the natal and in the synastry charts.

The best energetic side of squares in general is that they bring rapid, unavoidable change through action, they are like a fire where you need to get out of or a boat you need to get in if you want to survive. They are imperative, hence associated with visible change, action and movement.

We also have to remember that every two planets in a square are the only modality buddies, and being buddies by modality is as strong as being buddies by element. In other words, only a Gemini Sun can trigger and heal the mutable nature of a Pisces Chiron, and if the natal chart shows there's a need for that, that the key is the modal energy, no one will do it better than a Gemini Sun.
So, in the end, it all depends on what kind of healing/learning you need: do you need a surgery? do you need homeopathy? I think it depends on the disease

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