posted May 10, 2015 12:28 PM            

But since the Draconic chart is basically a nodal chart and as such a "guiding-tool" onto our developmental path, those aspect-complexes highlighting some developmental "tension" might be especially energized in relationships that leave their deep mark on us.

To do this, you need to start with the tropical chart:

1. identify the aspect-complexes:
conjunctions, oppositions and squares between planets and also angles; keep the orb tight, not more than 4° or 5° maximum.
We want to figure out the CORE themes, those that are being targeted simultaneously by transits.

Then have a look at the Draconic chart

2a) Where do the aspect-complexes wander to in the Draconic chart?
Which objects in the tropical chart do the Draconic aspect-complex activate (by conjunction or opposition, preferably within 3 degrees)?

2c) What draconic planets are activating the aspect-complex in the tropical chart?

Those overlays between the dimensions/ zodiacs create a combination, those planets work as an unit, a team in relation to your development in the nodal sense.

3) Keep in mind that conjunctions from Draco to tropical are indicative of your present path into the future, incorporating something new, creating something in your life, being pulled into a certain direction to make new experiences.

And that oppositions are relating to the South Node, and hence are either from the past or carry a familiar theme with them. Might provide a lot of comfort, but ultimately you have to use these qualities to get working on your present-future.

3) Then apply all this to the synastry.

I hypothize that if major aspect complexes are falling into empty space of a person, the Draconic impact will be not that deep.
Not much happening in terms of someone else pushing/ pulling you towards your path.
It might lack a bit of that meaningful/ purposedness/ fated/ feeling.

It STILL can be a completely satisfying relationship based on mutual attraction and love, but then it might be one very much placed in the Here and Now, without much regard to the past or the future (in a nodal sense, always).

Some people might prefer that actually. lol

Example from my own chart.
Let`s have a look at my Venus-Pluto-square, with Pluto conjunct MC and ALMA conjunct IC.

tropical chart:
Venus: 6 Capricorn
Pluto: 9 Libra
MC: 5 Libra
ALMA: 6 Aries

Dr JUNO 6 Cancer
Dr KARMA 5 Libra

So the Venus-Pluto-complex can`t be isolated from the Juno-Karma-square.
Now it is important into which direction it goes (from tropical to Draco).

Through asessing the Venus-Pluto, the Juno-Karma-issue is being worked on, or it is being developed.
With Dr Karma opposite IC, and Dr Juno opposite Venus, the issues seem to be a residue from the past. Venus would be conjunct Dr Juno in the South Node chart.

Draconic level:
Dr Venus: 25 Aries
Dr Pluto: 28 Capricorn
Dr MC: 24 Capricorn
Dr Alma: 26 Cancer

there nothing really happening on these degrees in my tropical chart, though I have Priapus on 00 Leo, opposing Dr Pluto, and Hygieia is actually on 25 Aries.

Anyway since this is a big theme in my chart, but the Draco version is not anchored in my own tropical, I suppose that the effect of transits hitting these points, or planets of another person, preferably in tropical, would leave a huge impact.

Now, in the first check up I already noticed that Juno-Karma seems to be tied to Venus-Pluto, which is why it is worthwile checking what Juno-Karma is doing in the tropical chart

Juno 16 Pisces
Karma 16 Gemini

Interestingly Draco Valentine is on 17 Pisces and Draco BML on 18 Gemini, of course this chain can get long now, if we check for the tropical Valentine-BML.

But in my case my tropical Valentine on 27 Scorpio and my tropical BML on 28 Aquarius do not hide any Draco planets underneath, so my personal chain, which started with Venus-Pluto is ended here.

It is a theme-chain of

Venus-Pluto = Dr Juno-Karma = Juno-Karma = Dr Valentine - BML

It is just important to keep in mind that this affects

6-9 cardinal (Capricorn- Libra; Cancer - Libra)

16-17 mutable (Pisces- Gemini; Pisces-Gemini)

and
25-28 cardinal (Aries and Capricorn)

There is some sort of resonance generated between all of these. if you pluch one string, the others will resonate - albeit subtly probably.

And well, it is interesting to realized that Venus, Pluto, Juno, Karma, Valentine and BML are apparently making a combined theme in my chart.

But anyway the decisive points are of course the conjunctions between tropical and Draco which means in this case:

MC - Dr Karma on 5 Libra: a need for coming out of the private sphere (Ic-opp. Dr Karma) and somehow become more public

Karma - Dr BML on 16 and 18 Gemini in 7th house: working on becoming my own person and expressing a strong individuality, which definitely will have to take place in personal relationships and involve the free exchange of thoughts

Juno - Dr Valentine on 16 and 17 PIsces in 3rd house: again communication highlighted, but this one here also introduces the theme of committed relationships, which are by default more or less spiritually inclined (pisces) are meant to pull me towards romantic and spiritual love.
You could say the purpose (Draco chart) of committed relationships in the her and now (tropical Juno) is to learn to experience, accept and express romantic and spiritual love (Draco Valentine).

Just one of my aspect-complexes, but having that activated in synastry surely feels meaningful. and the other way round, having it NOT activated, might be one of the reasons I sometimes feel in certain synastries that while they look wonderful and the connections are very nice, that something "is missing".

However, I do feel an intense need to be pushed out of my comfortzone and into new experiences to develop myself further in many ways, so a synastry without strong Draco undercurrent, is probably just "greyish" to me. Possibly nice, but meh.

posted May 10, 2015 08:58 PM            

I didn't really see oppositions, just conjunctions.
I didn't focus on squares yet.. These are just conjunctions.

His Dr to my natal
Venus/SN
Asc/asc
Moon/Saturn
MC/ Neptune
Neptune/Venus
Sun/DSC
Jupiter/sun merc, moon (opposition)

My Dr to his natal

Jupiter/sun
Pluto/moon
Mecury,moon,sun/Pluto
MC/ mars
IC/ASC

Those are the ones I spotted right off the bat, I'll have to look later for sq.

The most intersting.
Is his dr asc to my natal asc
Mr dr IC to his natal asc

posted May 10, 2015 09:41 PM            

For the ones interested in the astronomy of the Nodes, here a vid to watch;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24poh8MIsEg

Here another one which might add to some more understanding;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWAnmuXRU_A

But I'm still not satisfied as to what I get until now.

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posted May 10, 2015 10:06 PM            

I've noticed some pattern appearing in my own draco/tropical synastry Ad I am certainly going to echo back to what orange posted by asking how one can go around understanding aspects from the draco charts to tropical nodes ?

I have a configuration I still can't understand with someone

In the tropical synastry, we both aspect each other's nodes and then those aspects are triggered through the draconic
It goes something like this:

My asc/desc 24° can/cap
His sn/nn 24° can/cap
his juno 24° cap
his valentine 29°cap
His mercury 26 aries
My moon, mercury 25/26° cap
My dr vertex 24° cap
my dr mars 21° cap
His dr venus, moon, pluto 23° can/ 25° cap

My NN/SN 17° leo/aqua
My pluto 17° scorp
His venus,moon 17° taurus/scorp
My dr jup opp uranus 18° leo/aqua
my dr sun 21° aqua
my dr IC 14° scorp

and I don't have his exact angles but his child has the same exact draco IC as me and our dr asc are conjunct by 2°...

posted May 11, 2015 01:10 AM            

quote:

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I've noticed some pattern appearing in my own draco/tropical synastry Ad I am certainly going to echo back to what orange posted by asking how one can go around understanding aspects from the draco charts to tropical nodes ?

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Ow my gosh .. there's so much more to discover that I almost lose sight.. (ALMOST??)

His d-Mars is conjunct my t-Venus by 0'09. BUT... my t-Venus is conjunt his t-SN by 1 deg. And so his d-Mars is conjunct his own South Node also.

BUT... at the exact same CANCER-degrees as above were BOTH our prenatal SOLAR eclipses!

posted May 12, 2015 12:16 AM            

It's interesting nothing is on my Yod, in my own Draco. (the points 12 Pisces/12 Virgo and the sextile don't exist in there).

However, the translated Draco Yod: apex Jupiter 27.29 Gem/Aphrodite (release)27.56 Sag, PM's tropical MC/Saturn/SN 27.56 Gem tadaaaa! pretty cool! My Draco Yod release is his tropical IC/NN exactissimo.

AND his Draco Sun 27.43 Gem

weird, huh?

it looks like his purpose (MC/Saturn + Draco Sun) is to trigger my Draco Yod. I wonder if a Yod first triggers in Draco, that's an interesting research.

and he has Draco Mars on my tropical Yod release, 13 Virgo and Draco Neptune at the apex. Basically, when my Yod becomes official, so does his Draco Mars lol IC ruler, interesting IC/MC connection here as well, our tropical.Draco synastry is full of ICs and MCs lol)

as a matter of fact, tNeptune is on my Yod apex right now (the tropical one).

If anything deserves special attention, is charting Yods through Draco. Or any other "fated" configuration in the natal chart, including interception for instance. Vertices, nodal configurations, Karma etc. anything happening in the tropical with a "fated event" potential should have, IMO, some sort of symbolic translation in Draco.

posted May 12, 2015 03:30 PM            

A) my dad has a tropical skipped step, namely; his SUN square the NODES (orb 1,5).

My mom's draco Saturn is conjunct his SUN (1'50) and square his NODES (0'08).
My mom's draco Mars is opposite his Node (1,5).

And... interesting is that these exact sign-degrees of his skipped step are repeated in the DRACO COMPOSITE with the ASC & MC.
Namely; the Draco Compo ASC = conjunct his SN (0'40) and the Draco Compo MC = conjunct his Sun (0'00 !!!).

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Ok

B) my mom also has a tropical skipped step, namely; Her URANUS square her NODES (0'05).

My dad's draco Moon is conjunct her URANUS (1'15) and square her NODES (1'10).

And... when we look at the DRACO COMPOSITE it's Saturn in there that's exactly opposite his d-Moon and her t-Uranus (and so square her Nodes).

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There's another very striking thing (seemingly apart from the skipped-step bunch above) noticeable;

The DRACO COMPOSITE SUN is at 8'26 Taurus which is **exactly** conjunct my mom's draco Moon at 8'26 Taurus (and conjunct my dad's tropical Saturn at 8'01 Taurus).

And NO more conjunctions then all the ones I mentioned above in their draco comparison! When I finally found out these were connected to their personal skipped steps... wow!

posted May 13, 2015 07:16 AM            

SO:

His natal Sun Aries 6
His natal MC Aries 6
My natal Uranus Capricorn 6
His draconic Venus Capricorn 6
My draconic Jupiter Libra 5
His draconic Uranus Libra 5

Definitely a pattern. Makes for a complete T-square (or a grand square, because it contains his MC/IC as well) At the moment of our first meeting, transit Uranus was at Aries 5 - thus triggering all of this beauty. LOL.

His natal Mercury Aries 22
My natal Sun Libra 20
My natal Saturn Capricorn 20
His draconic Neptune Libra 22

His natal Venus Pisces 14
My natal DSC Pisces 13
My natal Mars Gemini 14
His natal Uranus Saggitarius 14
My draconic Saturn Pisces 14
My draconic Sun Saggitarius 15

Again a nearly perfect t-square involving Uranus and attraction planets (or you can call it a grand square, considering that it contains an axis)

His natal Jupiter Capricorn 11
My natal Neptune Capricorn 11
My natal Mercury Libra 12
My natal Venus Libra 14
My draconic Pluto Capricorn 12

And our natal composite Sun is also Capricorn 12. Not a t-square this time, just a square, but a huge one.

His natal ASC Leo 5
My natal North Node Aquarius 4
His natal Moon Capricorn 30
[/b]My draconic MC Leo 3[/b]

His natal North node Gemini 8
My natal MC Gemini 7
My draconic Mercury Saggitarius 9
My draconic Venus Saggitarius 10

My natal Moon Leo 13
His natal Saturn Scorpio 15
My natal Pluto Scorpio 16
his draconic Mercury Aquarius 13

I guess i mentioned everything.

Or, if you count Chiron.

posted May 13, 2015 07:20 AM            

While writing the post last time I had this idea and I'm exploring it now: it's the Draco chart triggering the tropical. If you make a synastry between a draco and a tropical (such as your own) you can see how the highest potential of your tropical chart can be reached; aspects from draco- especially conjunctions- will show events/energies taking your tropical to its highest level.

For example, until now I considered my Sun's purpose is to trigger my Draco Eros (I have this tropical draco conjunction). But I think, considering what draco really is (a metaphorical activation map of your NN) that it's meant to be read: when you fully activate your Eros (in time and space), this is when your Sun will fully shine.

Which make Draco placements transits to the tropical chart.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

LeeLoo's Esotericorner

posted May 13, 2015 07:25 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
NN in the tropical chart in synastry? Or the Draco chart?

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It`s the same thing actually, as the Draco chart IS the nodal chart.

I am not sure about the Draco triggering the tropical, though of course they are tightly interconnected, so it might be difficult to differentiate what is triggering what.
But what ever happens in any dimensional chart must go through and be expressed through the tropical chart.

It is a two way street though, it might just be a little differently experienced.

posted May 13, 2015 07:36 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It`s the same thing actually, as the Draco chart IS the nodal chart.

I am not sure about the Draco triggering the tropical, though of course they are tightly interconnected, so it might be difficult to differentiate what is triggering what.
But what ever happens in any dimensional chart must go through and be expressed through the tropical chart.

It is a two way street though, it might just be a little differently experienced.

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posted May 13, 2015 07:45 AM            

I do keep an check though on the nodal overlays as well, from the Draco to the tropical chart, yes it is where our path guides us through.

Like the NN in a house showing a guiding-light sort of, the relevant draco planets illuminating a tropical house definitey, well, illuminate.

It always made me smile that with my highly me-focused tropical chart (Sun, Mercury, Venus in 1st house, Moon in 2nd house, Mars conjunct ASC), the Draconic chart introduces a strong relationship oriented theme (Draco Sun, Mercury and Venus in 4th house, Draco Moon conjunct tropical DESC).

However I do actually two cross-comparisions

1. What tropical object is being touched by a Draco planet through conjunction?

2. How is the connection between the tropical and Draco equivalent of the same planet, as the Draco is the nodal version of any planet?

like

my tropical Venus in Capricorn but Draco Venus in Aries

There is alot more spice in fire in this Venus, potentially, than the Cappy-front would make anyone believe.

posted May 13, 2015 07:56 AM            

It's the same as the story with my Eros, in the above example.

So your Aries Venus is already there: unleashing it, showing it, it's a way towards your tropical Cap Venus to experience full potential (I guess this also means a strong cardinal vibe to your Venus energy) perhaps this is something already happening without our intervention; having this Draco Aries Venus, it may simply mean there is a moment in time and space, in your life path, when your Venus turns Aries, incorporates and expresses this kind of energy....which in turn can be translated to an activation/potential reaching in your tropical chart: not only the "other" Venus, but also everything Draco Venus touches/activates and the house it passes through.

posted May 13, 2015 08:17 AM            

But it might be that we mean the same; I definitely think that the DRaco chart is something we already have and that is meant to come out to play out.
I am not quite sure it "triggers" the tropical though. Not sure what you mean by triggering.

I don`t think it "perfects" the tropical signplacement, sort of my Draco aries making my Venus a "better" Capricorn.

I do think however it "shapes" my Venus. Period. NOt just Venus in Capricorn. But Venus.
My tropical Venus IS in Capricorn, yes, but there is also the Aries-portion underneath, and they have to work together to become one full embodied Venus.

Mr Sag makes my Draco Venus and Draco Sun come out occasionally (or more frequently ), and I thought it was strange behaviour for me (cause it did not fit the Cappy-side of my Venus), until my best friend told me that ctually that behaviour was "so me". lol
her tropical Moon is conjunct my Draco Sun. She always seems to know these things about m lol

posted May 13, 2015 08:34 AM            

I think your example is very good, your Aries Venus is the lesson for your Venus. You clearly have a cardinal energy about your Venus. Cap Venus is also a leading energy, but it usually needs protective Saturnian walls to feel safe and secure. Aries energy is cardinal yes (initiator) but a bit antagonistic with Cap Venus: Aries Venus is brave, forthcoming, fresh and young, and not necessarily interested in the consequences of showing itself, or at least it has high hopes for the consequences, always ready to risk, it's the Fool energy, right? as opposed to the wise, protected energy of Cap Venus. This pairing for you shows me: yes, you do need the safe and stable environment of your Cap Venus, but the path to achieving it is through Aries energy. So Aries Venus is an important lesson for you in everything Venus means: love, beauty, self-expression, expression of values, initiating contacts, free flowing expression of femininity, warrior princess lol and everything else Venus means in your chart.

posted May 13, 2015 08:43 AM            

Is your Aries Venus a vehicle for Cap Venus expression? or the destination, what your Venus is meant to become, let's say in the second part of life?

Right now I am thinking: through the expression of Aries energy when it comes to your Venus, you reach the security/stability/cardinal needs of your Cap Venus. So in the end, it will be an Aries energy incorporated in Cap: ultimately, as you say, a combination of Aries/Cap Venus.

EDIT: or, I could be wrong of course, and it is the other way around. If I'm wrong, it means most people will become their Draco planets during their second part of life. So for example, I start as a Virgo Venus and I become a Sag Venus. At this moment, what I believe is that Sag Venus energy is an important lesson for me to incorporate in my daily life path, something that will eventually lead to the fulfillment of my tropical Venus needs.

I also believe if you look at Draco as transits, you can see some important life events in there; for example PM has an exact DUranus conjunct tPOF; this should mean something related to tropical POF activation.

posted May 13, 2015 09:22 AM            

And no I do not think we become the Draco planet in the sense that we throw away the tropical.

Having said that, I just discovered something interesting in my Draco-synastry with Mr Sag yesterday.

We both have natally the 5th house ruler square the 11th house ruler.
For me this is my Venus (5th house ruler) square Pluto (11th house ruler) and MC with Venus falling into my 1st and Pluto into my 10th house.
(1st- 10th house activation)

For him this is his Moon (5th house ruler) conjunct Sun and square Saturn (11th house ruler) on DESC and Vertex, with Moon and Sun on the MC and Saturn on DESC.
(7th - 10th house activation)

Those are not in crosscontact tropically, as

my Venus 6 Capricorn
my Pluto 9 Libra
my MC 5 Libra

his Sun 26 Sag
his Moon 28 Sag
his MC 28 Sag
his Saturn 26 Virgo
his DESC 26 Virgo
his Vertex 28 Virgo

however transfering those into the Draconic zodiac

my Venus 25 Aries
my Pluto 28 Capricorn
my MC 24 Capricorn

his Sun 25 Cancer
his Moon 27 Cancer
his MC 27 Cancer
his DESC 24 Aries
his Saturn 25 Aries
his Vertex 27 Aries

Interestingly his tropical Venus-Juno-opposition falls along it, and if we are generous with orbs we can count his Pluto as part of it as well!

his Venus 25 Cap
his Juno 27 Cancer
his Pluto 21 Libra

Going beyond that interestingly there are Draconic planets hitting the tropical configurations of our 5th and 11th house ruler.

In fact it connects to his OTHER big planetary configuration.

my Venus 6 Cap
my Pluto 9 Libra
my MC 5 Libra
my IC 5 Aries (and Alma on 6 Aries)

his Dr Mars 9 Aries
his Dr Jupiter 8 Aries
his Dr Amor 7 Aries
his Dr Eros 7 Libra
his Dr Mercury 8 Cancer
(my Dr Juno 6 Cancer)

and his mutable big configuration

his Sun 26 Sag
his Moon 28 Sag
his MC 28 Sag
his Saturn 26 Virgo
his DESC 26 Virgo
his Vertex 28 Virgo

my Dr Mars 25 Pisces
my Dr ASC 26 Pisces
my Dr Neptune 29 Pisces
my Dr Ceres 29 Gemini
(my Dr Jupiter 1 Cancer)
(his Dr Lilith 26 Pisces)

Concentrating on the 5th and 11th house ruler, this means synastrically

my Dr r5 conjunct his Dr r11 (25 Aries)
my Dr r11 opposite his Dr r5 (28 Cap-27 Cancer)

and more of it of course.

It even translates into the comnposite with that mutual reception between 5th and 11th house, with Jupiter in 5th house disposing our Sun-Mercury-Neptune in 11th house.

posted May 13, 2015 10:01 AM            

His Draco lesson is related to his mutable Moon/Saturn/DSC square (a challenge with being expressive with emotions and communicating emotions, especially on a one-to-one level, no wonder he is a singer lol). This square manifested in early life and he had to find a solution for it. The solution suggested by the Draco chart is cardinal; it is to charge lol to take charge of his 11th ruler (Saturn in Aries) and to fully express emotions (domicile Moon in Cancer) on the 5th/11th axis (arts, entertainment, public figure)

Your lesson is also cardinal (initiating self-change, taking charge of the situation) and it is also related to the public display of something, in this case Venus, you Venus/Pluto side. It is interesting Pluto is in Cap, connecting it with the Cap Venus: so by transforming structures, even collapsing them, replacing them and by acknowledging/using the power you have with your Venus (Pluto in Cap) in a deciding initiating manner (Venus in Aries) you turn this square (your tropical Venus/Pluto sq) into an asset.

What you do to him is that your self-transformative Draco square sits on his DSC, Venus in Aries on DSC is very supportive of his own saturnian transformation and it definitely amplifies it by bringing a T/square from Pluto to his Cancer Moon. Cap Pluto radically transforms the Cancer Moon, and the energy of this square pours into his ASC. Of course, this also means that your transformations are in sync (his new way of behaving (DSC) amplifies your Aries Venus side and makes you aware of it) and you support each other to solve your tropical self-expression square (Venus/Pluto, Moon/Saturn, 5th/11th axis)