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Topic: Cap Sun with Sag Sun - Calvin and Taylor
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bluestskies88 Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 15, 2015 12:21 PM
So I was browsing the celebrity sites, and I stumbled upon Taylor Swift and Calvin Harris being an 'item'. Intuitively, I noticed that they really look great together , so I decided to look at their birth charts. This is what it says. Anything that stands out why their energies look so well together? I am not the only one who noticed, everyone says the same thing Taylor Swift: Born: December 13, 1989, 8:36 AM In: Wyomissing, Brampton Civic Hospital (PA) (United States) Sun: 21°32' Sagittarius AS: 8°12'Capricorn Moon: 3°30' Cancer MC: 2°26' Scorpio Dominants: Capricorn, Cancer, Scorpio Saturn, Jupiter, Mercury Houses 1, 12, 6 / Earth, Water / Cardinal Chinese Astrology: Earth Snake Numerology: Birthpath 7 Calvin Harris: Born: January 17, 1984, 12:00 PM (unknown) In: Dumfries, Scotland (United Kingdom) Sun: 26°34' Capricorn Moon: 11°35' Cancer Dominants: Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn Moon, Pluto, Jupiter Water, Fire / Cardinal Chinese Astrology: Water Pig Numerology: Birthpath 4 EDIT: here's the chart
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midnightvenus Knowflake Posts: 496 From: outerspace Registered: Sep 2014
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posted May 15, 2015 12:24 PM
You could post their synastryIP: Logged |
bluestskies88 Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 15, 2015 12:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by midnightvenus: You could post their synastry
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starmoon Knowflake Posts: 1668 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 15, 2015 12:31 PM
the sun sign has very little to do with romantic matching. they have a good synastry overall, starting with the shared moon sign. you should post their entire chart.IP: Logged |
midnightvenus Knowflake Posts: 496 From: outerspace Registered: Sep 2014
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posted May 15, 2015 12:36 PM
They have a DW Sun-Venus conjunction, I heard this can be very bonding. Her Sun conjuncting his Venus especially shows she's his type. His Mars-Pluto conjunction square her Venus, this can create A LOT of attraction.IP: Logged |
midnightvenus Knowflake Posts: 496 From: outerspace Registered: Sep 2014
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posted May 15, 2015 12:38 PM
I notice he has no time of birth available, but if his Moon does orbit around her Chiron, he might help her heal her emotional wounds.IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 1898 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 16, 2015 05:37 AM
If you go to astro databank and look at Taylor's natal chart, they actually have two birthtimes for her. One gives Taylor a Cap Asc, the other gives her a Leo Asc. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Swift,_Taylor Here's the page that shows the two charts. The Cap Asc version is sited as having conflicted sources, and being unverified. The Leo Asc version is claimed to have appeared on Twitter, by Taylor swift herself. I tend to believe the Leo Asc version is most likely to be Taylor Swifts true natal chart. Especially because it was on her twitter account. But also because of her personality, and also her taste in guys. I've watched a few of her live performances on youtube. She appears open and confident like a Leo. She has a Leo-ish type of charisma when she performs as well. And she often goes for guys with strong Aquarius, Sagittarius, Capricorn, and Leo in their charts. The Leo Asc gives Taylor an Aqua Dsc ruled by Uranus and Saturn in Capricorn. Calvin Harris is a Cap so he resonates with her 7th house rulers. Taylor has also been linked a few Aqua guys in her past (matching her Dsc sign). The Aqua's she's dated are Taylor Lautner and Harry Styles. The Leo Asc give Taylor Sagittarius on the 5th house cusp of romance. She has been linked with a few other Sags as well. Jake Gyllenhaal is a Sag Sun, and John Mayer is a Sagittarius Moon. Her first famous boyfriend was Joe Jonas who's a Leo with a Cap Moon. She has her Sun in ruler of Leo in the 5th house of romance as well, and again her 7th house rulers are both in Capricorn. Given her taste in men, I think the Leo Asc chart is more accurate. MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TAYLOR AND CALVIN... Calvin's chart really matches Taylor's type as shown by her chart. He has a Cap Sun and Mercury for her 7th house, and a bunch of planets in Sag for her 5th house, which also contains part of the sign Cap... Venus, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, and the South Node (one's habitual patterns) are all in Sag. His Mercury in Cap actually falls into her 5th house too. Taylor has Jupiter in Cancer ruling her 5th house. Calvin matches this energy with his Cancer Moon. He resonates quite strongly with her 5th and 7th houses. Her 8th house is Pisces ruled by Neptune in Capricorn and Jupiter in Cancer... Considering he is a Cap with Moon in Cancer, I'd say he matches her 8th house (of intimacy) as well. Mars also often say's something about the kind of guy a girl likes. She has Mars in Scorpio and Calvin has Saturn ruler of his Cap planets in Scorpio, and his Mars also in Scorpio conjunct Pluto. Unfortunately Calvin's birthtime is not known so we can't do the same thing from his side. We can look at the synastry though. They have some typical physical attraction aspects. His Mars conjunct Pluto in Scorpio is square her Venus in Aquarius. This is an intense connection, but he is more fond of privacy then she is (she's very open) so they may conflict a bit on what to reveal. His Sun in Capricorn is sextile her Mars. This is another indication of physical attraction. And his Venus is widely conjunct her Sun in Sag. If he was born close to noon his Moon is conjunct her Moon quite tightly which is also good. This gives a strong emotional bond. Interesting story. In an interview before he really knew Taylor, Calvin Harris said Taylor swift is 'the opposite of his type'. But then when he met her in person sparks flew. I think this say's something about how Venus/Mars squares can work. Hard aspects between Venus and Mars can make some seem like they are not our 'type' but ironically these same aspects can cause strong attraction. Sometimes we get both of these reactions occurring in the same synastry. Someone who initially does not seem like our 'type' winds up attracting us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu9hCnMZmXE (might need to copy and past in youtube to view) Here's a youtube video of Calvin saying Taylor is not his type. Later on he had to eat his words I'm assuming. His Venus near her Sun Sag does indicate that once he got to know her, he found he really liked her personality. IP: Logged |
bluestskies88 Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 16, 2015 09:27 AM
Damm Lotus, that's pretty cool reading there. I have to look them up to see what they mean.. thanksi did see that interview, that was odd lol IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 1898 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 17, 2015 06:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by bluestskies88: Damm Lotus, that's pretty cool reading there. I have to look them up to see what they mean.. thanksi did see that interview, that was odd lol
Thanks. yeah, I'm kind of wondering if other people who have had Venus square Mars in Synastry have had a similar experience. As in, they found themselves attracted to someone even though the person didn't look like their usual type. IP: Logged |
iliketurtles Knowflake Posts: 369 From: 2099 Registered: Nov 2010
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posted May 17, 2015 05:05 PM
taylor is defo a leo rising that chart fits her to a tee. i've looked into all the synastries (including dracos-natals) between her and her more "high profile" exes and i can understand why she was more intense with some and not with others. lots of pluto, nessus action involved in realtionships with guys she became bitter about after breaking up with her. i've found her to be an odd character..quite calculating and manipulative, overplays the victim card and gets **** for it. she has done some not very nice things to others in the past that i think she might regret in the future. (with a leo rising) she has a packed 5th house. she also has an unaspected sun in the 5th. saturn conjunct eros...she seems a little clueless sexual expression. its hard not to cringe when she tries to be "sexy" in her videos or onstage. Transiting Pluto square or opposite your natal Moon. "If lord of the 12th, this can be an emotionally troubling time for you. Compulsive / addictive behavior may be difficult to control. You may be suffering from withdrawl." http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/pluto-op-moon.html t. pluto has been opposing her n. moon since mid 2012. she has achieved a reputation for being unable to let go of her breakup with harry styles (nov 2012 - jan 2013). she does appear to have trouble moving on although it could just be a novelty for her. this calvin harris thing seems more of a stepping stone for taylor as she continues to transition into dance pop. together for creative purposes mainly other than that she may be bored with him
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Lotis White Moderator Posts: 1898 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 18, 2015 03:03 AM
Wow, you have a rather negative view on her. I thought you're analysis was a bit harsh. The synastry does indicate that Taylor really does like Calvin Harris. That doesn't mean it will last. It just means that I think it's for real for now. Long term relationships haven't been her thing so far. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 3001 From: Neptune with PisceanDream, Faith, and Meissieri Registered: Sep 2013
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posted May 18, 2015 04:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by iliketurtles: taylor is defo a leo rising that chart fits her to a tee. i've looked into all the synastries (including dracos-natals) between her and her more "high profile" exes and i can understand why she was more intense with some and not with others. lots of pluto, nessus action involved in realtionships with guys she became bitter about after breaking up with her. i've found her to be an odd character..quite calculating and manipulative, overplays the victim card and gets **** for it. she has done some not very nice things to others in the past that i think she might regret in the future.
All of this and everything else you said! I hate to be 'that person,' but this relationship smells like PR to me. Calvin said specifically a few months ago he would never date Taylor because she wasn't her type, and he is perceived as a social climber and has his songs in mind when dating. Same thing with Harry a few years ago, that was a PR set up "relationship," it helped both her and 1D. Taylor is the same way, if you need evidence go watch her latest atrocious video, she collects celebrities like pokemon characters. Everything is based on an image, nothing is authentic about her, at least not the last couple of years. Yeah and I know some people in the industry, not too many positive things to say about her. Interesting synastry, but not cosigning the relationship as legit. This sort of thing in the industry happens way more often than you think. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 1898 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 18, 2015 06:00 AM
Actually, the synastry indicates that with both Harry Styles and Calvin Harris there is a legit attraction. Harry has Mars at 2 Aqua conjunct her Venus at 2 Aqua, and Calvin has Mars at 2 Scropio Square her Venus. Even if there was some basking in the limelight involved, the motivation for the relationships in the first place is more then likely a real true life crush. With actual real feelings involved. I don't get the hate. So she writes songs about her exes, and knows how to schmooze. Schmoozing is what a lot of celebs do to network and get ahead. That doesn't make them bad or mean the all their relationships are 'publicity stunts'. Regular people schmooze as part of their jobs too. Not everyone who does this is an wicked manipulator. We can't just always assume the worst of people. I don't know her so I can't presume anything. The synastry tells me that her connections with Harry and Calvin were legit, so I'm going with that. About Calvin's comments... It's possible for someone not to look like you're usual type and to still be attracted them when you meet them in person. This is common with hard aspects between Venus and Mars. In the interview I believe Calvin also mentioned something about preferring brunettes. Taylor is a blonde. That might be what it boils down to. He might usually prefer dark haired girls and didn't expect to be attracted to a blonde. But this sort of unexpected thing can happen with Venus/Mars hard aspects. She might not match the image he had in his head but that doesn't mean he's not into her. IP: Logged |
midnightvenus Knowflake Posts: 496 From: outerspace Registered: Sep 2014
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posted May 18, 2015 07:13 AM
I'm not even a fan of hers, and I don't think you need to be to say that I don't get the problem with writing about EXs either. I'm a song writer and I write about plenty of subjects. I've even written about people I haven't dated, or worse yet, people that don't even actually "exist" just because I like the story I created in my head. That's just part of being an artist.Why is everyone else is allowed to write passive-aggressive tweets or facebook posts about their EXs but she's not allowed to write a song? Eminem wrote songs about murdering his ex wife and still gets called a Rap God. Taylor writes pop songs about EXs and the whole world flips out. Come on. IP: Logged |
bluestskies88 Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 18, 2015 10:30 AM
I agree midnight. Being a song writer and writing songs about personal life is a form of outlet... I like the Eminem example, he was a nut expressing those crazy emotions about his ex wife LOLIP: Logged |
bluestskies88 Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted May 18, 2015 10:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lotis White: Actually, the synastry indicates that with both Harry Styles and Calvin Harris there is a legit attraction. Harry has Mars at 2 Aqua conjunct her Venus at 2 Aqua, and Calvin has Mars at 2 Scropio Square her Venus. Even if there was some basking in the limelight involved, the motivation for the relationships in the first place is more then likely a real true life crush. With actual real feelings involved. I don't get the hate. So she writes songs about her exes, and knows how to schmooze. Schmoozing is what a lot of celebs do to network and get ahead. That doesn't make them bad or mean the all their relationships are 'publicity stunts'. Regular people schmooze as part of their jobs too. Not everyone who does this is an wicked manipulator. We can't just always assume the worst of people. I don't know her so I can't presume anything. The synastry tells me that her connections with Harry and Calvin were legit, so I'm going with that. About Calvin's comments... It's possible for someone not to look like you're usual type and to still be attracted them when you meet them in person. This is common with hard aspects between Venus and Mars. In the interview I believe Calvin also mentioned something about preferring brunettes. Taylor is a blonde. That might be what it boils down to. He might usually prefer dark haired girls and didn't expect to be attracted to a blonde. But this sort of unexpected thing can happen with Venus/Mars hard aspects. She might not match the image he had in his head but that doesn't mean he's not into her.
Yeah, she does have that Leo Rising flare! Doubt she's a Capricorn Rising though lol..
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BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 3001 From: Neptune with PisceanDream, Faith, and Meissieri Registered: Sep 2013
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posted May 18, 2015 09:45 PM
I'm going to have to politely disagree and am little unsure why I'm not allowed to have a negative opinion of her?The thing is I follow the industry and have several friends in the industry, so my comments are only to keep in mind the industry has plenty of set up PR relationships. Sure, you can great synastry, but even in real life normal people can have great synastry and they don't date or anything. And when you have two people get together who have a history of PR relationships, it is suspect. The reason Taylor gets flack is because she made passively-aggressively going after enemies and exes her schtick. Then runs to the press about how she is victim and whines about how no one will date her. Plenty of female singers such as Adele do not receive this criticism because they do not act childish and whiny when discussing their songwriting. People like Adele also don't constantly name drop celebrity friends and call paps for attention- her records sell on their own, that is how you know someone is exceptionally talented. Trust me, it is not the songwriting that makes people dislike her, it is the fake, contrived nature and self-entitled attitude she puts out. Remember the Fey and Poehler comments? This is also a singer that slu/t shamed another girl in a song, just made a ridiculous video showing off her celebrity friends to try and 'intimidate' another pop star over the most petty of reasons, takes down her concert videos and streams to make more money, calls the paps every day, and spends time on social media constantly favoriting immature posts. These are reasons why many don't like her, just to give a few. Calvin also has a history of linking up with people who are 'hot' at the moment and leaving after he makes a hit song with them (i.e., Ellie). His friends also repeatedly blasted Taylor right before they got together- seems a little odd to me. Taylor is the same way, several of her previous relationships were set up as PR (Jonas, Gyllenhall, etc,) and the 1D kid bats for other team. I would get into how and why I know this, but don't want to derail the thread. Just remember to take industry relationships with a grain of salt, there is always an agenda at play. Time will tell if this is legit, but most people in the industry don't feel it is sincere. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 1898 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 19, 2015 09:54 PM
I have a hard time believing either relationship was entirely fake just because of the astrology supporting it. It is a massive coincidence, if they are fake, that both guys (Harry and Calvin) have such tight aspects her Taylor's Venus. Also both Harry and Calvin fit her attraction pattern via the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, if you accept the Leo rising chart. Harry filled up her 7th house with his Aqua planets. And Calvin resonates with her 7th house rulers and 5th house. However, if Harry turns out to 'bat for the other team' so to speak. I might considering believing that the relationship was fake. I kind of doubt it though. IP: Logged | |