posted May 26, 2015 05:18 AM            

what transits or progressions to your natal or synastry chart were you having when the breakup happened? (please can you also post the orb)
Oh and can you also note which planet rules your 7th house or sits in 7th house?

posted May 26, 2015 06:39 AM            

his natal Sun 5'57 Aries
her progressed Mars 5.28 Aries

++ at this time transit Uranus was conjunct his natal Sun and her progressed Mars.

posted May 26, 2015 09:33 AM            

Nevertheless he broke up with a longterm girlfriend when Tr Saturn was conjunct his solar arc Saturn-DESC-conjunction. Maybe it was just not committed enough for him?

well Tr Saturn was also squaring his Venus-Juno-opposition at that time, and sa Uranus squared his n Saturn.

it could also be that there were other things at play contributing to that.

When that relationship started he was having Tr Saturn squaring a 7th house Pluto.
and Tr Saturn opposing n Venus and conjunct n Juno.

plus sa DESC conjunct n Pluto in his 7th house.

posted May 26, 2015 10:04 AM            

Me:

tSATURN conjunct my ASC ruler Mercury (1°) (should add that Mercury co-rules my 5H)

tNEPTUNE opposite my MOON (0°), square my ASC and NN (1°) (though that transit was also happening when we got together - Neptune went retrograde, and went applying to my placements)

tPLUTO sextile my ASC ruler Mercury (1°), square JUNO (1°)

tNN conjunct PLUTO (0°), square SATURN (1°)

tCHIRON opposite CHIRON (1°)

Him:

tJUPITER conjunct IC (0°) and VENUS (2°)

tSATURN quincunx VENUS (0°) and CHIRON (2°)

tURANUS square JUNO (0°), sesquiquadrate MERCURY (IC, VENUS, MOON dispositor) (0°) and SATURN (1°)

(tNEPTUNE sextile NEPTUNE and trine PLUTO (0°))

tPLUTO quincunx VENUS (0°)

---> his Venus was at the apex of a Yod with tSaturn and tPluto, tight orbs.

That same Venus was quincunx my ASC ruler and 5H co-ruler, Mercury.

tNN conjunct SATURN (3°, applying)

TRANSITS TO THE COMPOSITE:

tSATURN conjunct PLUTO (3°, applying), quincunx ASC (0°)

tURANUS sesquiquadrate VENUS (0°), square SATURN (2°), URANUS (3°) and NEPTUNE (5°), opposite JUNO (3°) and square the MC (1°)

tNEPTUNE quincunx MOON and MERCURY (0°)

tPLUTO conjunct SATURN (1°) and NEPTUNE (0°), square JUNO (1°) and the ASC (0°)

And, for what it's worth, tJUNO conjunct SATURN (2°), NEPTUNE (3°) and the MC (2°).
(tJUNO was tightly square tURANUS.)

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His progressed VENUS was opposite tPLUTO (1°) and his progressed ASC was conjunct tURANUS (1°).

My progressions on the other hand aren't that telling.
Only thing happening was tURANUS trine my progressed NN and DSC (1°) and SUN (5H ruler) (1°).

(He was more affected by the break-up, which I initiated.)

Ps. His DSC is in Leo, with MERCURY in the 7H.

My DSC is in Sagittarius.

So our DSC rulers weren't really affected.

posted May 26, 2015 10:06 AM            

My progressed MOON was conjunct his NN, opposing my natal SUN (and his SN) tightly.

posted May 26, 2015 03:39 PM            

It seemed to be a time of change for us, but It isn't apparent yet what the change would entail. Any observations please?

posted May 26, 2015 03:54 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Just for a change I thought, instead of trying to find out what leads TO a relationship, what accomanpanied leading out of it?

what transits or progressions to your natal or synastry chart were you having when the breakup happened? (please can you also post the orb)
Oh and can you also note which planet rules your 7th house or sits in 7th house?

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My last two breakups both occurred during Saturn Returns (his, mine, or both).

posted May 27, 2015 11:09 PM            

tSAT conj nASC
tNEP opp nMOON, nMARS, nSATURN
tPLUTO sextile nASC
tURANUS opp nPLUTO
tURA incon nASC
tURA sesqui nMOON

quote:

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I definitely felt held back by the relationship and a heaviness that I wanted to escape from.

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posted May 31, 2015 10:17 AM            

Once again I am revisting that fateful day when I called it quits with my ex-soulmate.

I'll number the points to try and make this more intelligible.

1) Uranus rules my DSC/7H.

His draconic sun is at 15 Aquarius, conjunct my 17 Aqua sun-moon MP. His draco Uranus @ 0 Aries is conjunct my draco NN!

^^ Lame astro joke.

2) There was this transiting kite overlapping my natal cradle and some other relevant points - kite in bold:

*EDIT- Oops it's a Mercury RX kite...meaning, not a kite at all...LOL. But still, some matching numbers.

Tr Uranus 6 Aqua
Tr Jupiter 7 Aqua
My pr sun 7 Aqua
My DSC around 7 Aqua
My Mercury 5 Aqua

Tr Pluto 5 Sag
My Venus 6 Sag
Composite Mercury 6 Sag
Pr comp Venus 5 Sag

Tr Saturn 5 Aries
My BML 7 Aries

Tr Mars 4 Libra

3) There was also a transiting t-square that day, with the full moon:

Tr sun: 4 Pisces (conjunct his 6 Pisces dr Pluto)
Tr moon: 4 Virgo (conjunct my 3 Virgo dr Chiron)
Tr Pluto: 5 Sag (conjunctions mentioned above)

4) His draconic Saturn is at 7 Cap, forming a t-square with tr Mars and tr Saturn. My pr Venus was at 2 Cap (squaring tr Saturn as olgatheo mentioned above.)

His natal moon is in Taurus, I don't know the degree, but tr Uranus may have hit his moon (as olgatheo also said.)

5) What's interesting is, if you look at the transiting draconic chart, there are a lot of overlapping points, because the transiting node was at 28 Virgo, almost opposing the Aries Point. A few of my friends at that time were undergoing huge changes, and one described it as "a turning point." Literally...it was a draconic turning point!

-Tr Dr Pluto 6 Gemini
(completing mutable grand cross with transits and placements noted above)

-Tr Dr Neptune 0 Leo (exactly conjunct my natal Saturn; conjunct my draco moon @ 28 Cancer)

-Tr Dr Mars 5 Aries (exactly conjunct tr Saturn)

-Pr Comp Saturn 6 Leo
Tr Dr Jupiter 7 Leo
Tr Dr Uranus 8 Leo

^^ More or less conjunct my Leo ASC And opposing all the Aqua action mentioned above, squaring my 7 Scorpio pr Uranus.

Pr comp Mars 20 Leo
Tr Dr Mercury 22 Leo

Tr Dr Venus 26 Leo
My draco Jupiter 26 Leo

^^ Interestingly, my draco Venus is exactly conjunct my natal Jupiter. So was the transiting draco Venus on my draco Jupiter triggering something?? Hmm!

Conclusion: I think the transiting draconic chart is significant here.

6) My pr moon 29.35 Sag...ch ch ch changes...

7) His pr sun 10 Libra
His n Pluto 10 Libra.

His pr Mars 26 Libra
My draconic Mars 26 Libra
His draconic Jupiter 26 Libra

posted May 31, 2015 10:27 AM            

Have to absorb it, and well, I think probably it is highly of
a) individual charts
b) individual situation

for example Uranus will always (or often) highlight a change in status.
But what that means is dependent of course on what the current status really is.
For someone having been single for all their life, they actually might get married.
(if that Uranus is somehow connected to relationship stuff in the chart; could also be a promotion or losing ones job etc.)

Tr Saturn seems to be often in play as well, in both cases, either for breaking up scenarios or for commitment scenarios.

However what seems to be quite common are strong aspects (of the Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, NN, maybe also cHiron or Pholus-variety) to important composite placements (either angles, luminaries, personal planets, nodes or Vertex or tight and dynamic aspect configurations). especially if those composite positions are also aligning with one or both natal charts.

posted May 31, 2015 10:35 AM            

those sign changes seem to very often have more dramatic consequences than I used to give them credit for. Like the dynamic or even direction really changes.
I wonder if that has also to do with the change of dispostiorship.

posted May 31, 2015 10:43 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
However what seems to be quite common are strong aspects (of the Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, NN, maybe also cHiron or Pholus-variety) to important composite placements (either angles, luminaries, personal planets, nodes or Vertex or tight and dynamic aspect configurations). especially if those composite positions are also aligning with one or both natal charts.

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Oh I was gonna email you this link but I see you found it already

Tr Dr analysis inspired by our recent conversation.

Anyway, yes, in addition to what I said above, as if the Universe had to give me an even bigger push off that cliff:

posted May 31, 2015 11:07 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
also Faith,

those sign changes seem to very often have more dramatic consequences than I used to give them credit for. Like the dynamic or even direction really changes.
I wonder if that has also to do with the change of dispostiorship.

I also noticed these changes happening in the tertiary progressed charts and being quite, telling.

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LOL how am I ever gonna catch up on email?!

I totally agree about sign changes in progressions.

Looking at tertiary progressions for that breakup yields a lot of interesting placements....

With a natal ASC of 7 Leo:

My tp ASC 20 Taurus
My n SN 20 Taurus (!!!)

My tp Venus 23 Scorpio on the tp DSC/ my NN

My tp sun 21 Libra
My tp Juno 21 Libra
His tp sun 21 Gemini

My tp Mars 4 Scorpio (n Uranus 6 Scorpio)
His n Uranus-NN-my name asteroid 4 Scorpio

My tp Mercury 6 Libra
His n Mercury 7 Libra

His tp Pholus 19 Pisces
My moon 18 Pisces

His tp Jupiter 15.35 Gemini
My Mars 16.01 Gemini

ROTFL I just checked my tertiary progressions for today:

My tp moon 16 Gemini
My tp Jupiter 16 Gemini

My tp sun 24 Gemini
His tp Jupiter 26 Gemini

And actually my tp chart today looks a lot his his did back then, or lots of conjunctions anyway:

As I said, but will repeat for order's sake:

My tp sun 24 Gemini
His tp sun back then 21 Gemini

My tp Jupiter today 16 Gemini
His tp Jupiter back then 15.35 Gemini

Plus:

My tp Vesta 9 Leo
His tp Vesta back then 8 Leo

My tp BML 5 Gemini
His tp BML back then 5 Gemini

My tp Chiron 4 Taurus
His tp Chiron back then 4 Taurus

My tp Mars 7 Taurus
My tp Venus 9 Taurus

Gotta stop driving myself nuts here, it's not like I'll ever talk to him again.

Oh but wait his pr Venus is at 0 Sag catching up with my natal Venus....

Yeah I'm sure that means nothing.

posted May 31, 2015 12:16 PM            

the tp charts are amazing. lol your tp Moon on my natal Karma today.

Of course the tp Moon is so fast it will be on a different degree 2 days from now again.

Orange,

that makes sense I think.

Mr Sag broke up with his longterm girlfriend when Tr Saturn was conjunct his solar arc DESC-Saturn-conjunction, just having separated from the square to his intercepted 7th house ruler Venus (actually been going over it repeatedly).

And at that time his solar arc Uranus was exact square his natal saturn (though not the DESC. that one was a few months before) as well. So it is safe to say he is quite sensitive to his DESC (along with Saturn on it) plus his Venus, ruling his intercepted DESC.

posted May 31, 2015 12:29 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Faith,

the tp charts are amazing. lol your tp Moon on my natal Karma today.

Of course the tp Moon is so fast it will be on a different degree 2 days from now again.

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Oh cancel what I said then! I forgot to manually calculate the moon. Do you just move it one degree for every two days from the starting date of the TP chart?

Tp moon at 16 Gemini for chart beginning at 13 May.

So by now my tp moon's at 25 Gemini I think. 18 days from May 13, divided by two equals nine, with nine degrees added to the starting moon position.

posted June 01, 2015 07:11 AM            

The break-up was really mature. He indicated he wanted to remain friends, yet never pursued a friendship with me. Rather than it being a serious break-up, the relationship just faded until I decided it was over officially. Naturally, astrology may indicate the ending was much sooner, but I only have a date for the actual break-up.

Venus and the Sun rule my 7th house.

My progressions to natal:
Progressed Chiron square Natal Venus (orb less than 1)
Progressed NN square Natal Mars (orb less than 1)

His progressions to natal:
Progressed Pluto trine Natal Sun (orb less than 1)
Progressed Saturn square Natal Mars (orb less than 1)

My transits on the break-up date:
tMoon sextile natal Moon (orb less than 1)
tSaturn conjunct natal Pluto (orb less than 1)
tNorth Node square natal Chiron (orb less than 1)
tVenus conjunct progressed Uranus (orb of 1)
tVenus square progressed Mars (orb less than 1)
tPluto square progressed Moon (orb less than 1)

His transits on the break-up date:
tChiron square natal Mars (orb less than 1)
tSaturn sextile progressed Neptune (orb less than 1)
tChiron opposition progressed Chiron (orb less than 1)
tChiron conjunct progressed Saturn (orb less than 1)